Wii not mature enough for Relic?

[x3sid]

But while Relic is keen to support both the Xbox 360 and PS3, the studio has no plans to develop any titles for the Wii at present.

"We make more mature-rated games, and more high-end graphical games, and the Wii is going in a little bit of a different direction; they're not going to play the same game as the 360 and the PS3," Moravek explained.

"You never know - if we came up with something cool we could do it, but right now our plan is not to... You can't do the same types of games on the Wii because the power is a lot different. It's a different type of technology."

However, Moravek is confident that the Wii will sell well despite the fact it's less powerful than rival consoles: "I think it was really smart for Nintendo to break out on their own and do their own thing. The platform's going to be really successful."

Link (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=66369)

Are you guys serious? By the looks of it, Wii could be the best selling console of next generation, and you would think that Wii games with mature content would sell a lot, if they are good.

Nintendo consoles have had mature themed games since SNES (Mortal Kombat 2), so I don't see the logic behind that comment.

And what comes to power of Wii, Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube is still one of the best looking games I have ever played, and if you consider that Wii has twice(?) as much power as GC without any bottlenecks that GC had, I doubt that Wii games will look bad when compared to Xbox 360/PS3 games, especially because they don't have to run on higher resolutions.

Anyways I love the games Relic makes, and Wii is the only console that I will buy so I just hope that Relic won't disregard Wii so lightly. That is all. :)

[Coey]

I can't remember a mature game that came out for a Nintendo console first since Resident Evil 4. It's main market isn't aimed at players who like lots of blood and guts, it's aimed at people who like to have fun in all kinds of wierd and wonderful ways that aren't necessarily blood-soaked gore fests.

[the_sidewinder]

It could be simply that the Wii's control interface makes it so that a port of The Outfit would not be feasible. It could also be a reaction to the market share trend of the Nintendo systems (Though I think Nintendo may do much better this time)

If there is money in it, then there will be games for it. Perhaps Relic does not yet think that it can make money

[x3sid]

N64 had Resident Evil 2, atleast 3 Turok games, Shadowman games, Perfect Dark, and so on, all very gory and full of blood.

Gamecube had what? 4 - 5 different Resident Evil games? Mortal Kombat: Deception, Eternal Darkness, and some other mature games I dont remember now.

Main market of Wii is everyone, and seems like Nintendo is bringing new people to world of games.

I prefer mature games, and Im still buying Wii over Xbox 360/PS3.

Oh and Im not saying that I want port of Outfit or DoW for Wii, I just think that the whole console has lot of potential for a new Warhammer game for example.

[Eboli]

I think it's all a matter of perception unfortunately.

[ShyGuy]

Mortal Kombat has been multi-platform for awhile now, and the Turok Series is now also on the PS2. The next Turok is set to debut on the PS3. Even Perfect Dark made the transition to the X-Box 360.

It isn't that Nintendo hasn't had gorey games in the past, or will not have them anymore. It's simply that the perception of the general populace of the Wii (and Nintendo as a whole) is that they aren't in the mature-games market. It works both ways. The people who buy a Wii know that they aren't gonna get the most bloody games out there, and the people who make the gore-filled stuff aren't gonna market it towards those people. Sure, some people will be dissapointed, but they are usually in the minority.

[x3sid]

Thing is that I don't see any difference between any console when it comes to mature themed games. Both N64 and GC suffered from lack of third party support, so they also had less games.

Wii already has better third party support than GC ever had, Gearbox Software just confirmed that they will support Wii, and we know that Capcom is making a new Resident Evil game for Wii. So I know that I will get plenty of bloody games for my Wii. :)

[Eboli]

Neither do I, and I think (or at least hope) a lot of people and developers will be left out in the cold when the Wii takes off.

[Kryopsis]

and if you consider that Wii has twice(?) as much power as GC without any bottlenecks that GC had, I doubt that Wii games will look bad when compared to Xbox 360/PS3 games, especially because they don't have to run on higher resolutions.
Spec-wise, Wii is nothing but a glorified Xbox, if not weaker. Compare the Xbox graphics with Xbox 360: yes, the previous console does look bad when compared to the new generation.
This is an excellent proof of why lagging behind the competition is not a good idea. Wii is guaranteed to be screwed when it comes to multiplatform releases.

[Tiresias]

Spec isn't the point of the Wii, it's cheap and fun like the DS. Don't mind if Relic don;t look at it since it promises to be the ultimate party games machine and relic don't do those.

[Relic]

I don't think Relic is ruling out Wii, just that at the moment they are not sure what generation it will be aimed at.

Edit: By generation, I mean "demographic" :p

[Weavern]

Its a rather bad shot to make that assaumption that the Wii isnt mature enough :-/ I think its more that no one really knows the full capability of the Wii. Nor if relic could convert as easily to the Wii or get the same stuff out of it as the other two platforms.

[Retroboy]

FFS.

The "wii" is what my three-year-old calls his penis! Say it twice and it's what he DOES with his penis!

IT. IS. NOT. MATURE.

Smart marketing, Relic!

:tooth:

-- Retro

[Shuma]

The ''Mature'' games for the Wii(Nintendo in General) are aimed to a diferent kind of people, Killing zombies is something that alot of people think is retarded, while if you think of it, Halo for example has a giganti fan base in comparision with RE4, The Wii itself is trying to do something completly new(weird controler) because if it was just improving graphics and stuff like that, it wouldn't stand against Microsoft and Sony, but Still the Wii will be a good console, and will have good games, but alot of people prefer games like Halo, or Fighting games for Ps2.

Kind of games that you rarely see in Nintendo consoles, and about a new Resident evil for Wii, well that's new to me, the last time i heard they were doing RE5 for Ps3.

[Dys]

Was Impossible Creatures designed for a more mature audience?

I'm serious because I haven't actually played the game :3d:

[General Blaze]

Maybe it IS because of the Impossible Creatures incident. That game sold horribly because of bad target marketing. I think they are going to lay low until the Wii is out, lest they settle for ANOTHER game that sells and performs bad ala IC.

[BrettMan]

I dunno what it is about Nintendo. Their consoles just don't appeal to me. I'm an Xbox/360 man myself. Now don't get me wrong. I don't hate Nintendo. I have owned plenty of N consoles. But the thing is.... I grew up. There are mature games for Nintendo consoles but the company/console image itself just doesn't get me excited the way Microsoft does. Plus, their first party games are all the same damn characters they have been using for, what, almost 20 years?

Nintendo had the opporunity to change their image for the better and what do they give us? WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!

[Starblade]

Gamecube had what? 4 - 5 different Resident Evil games?

Two, three RE games tops, I believe. I know at least Resident Evil and Resident Evil 4.

Aside from Metroid (usually rated Teen now), Nintendo itself doesn't make many more 'mature' games. And I'd rather see the kind of games Relic makes on the 360 or a PC than a Wii(iiiiii!).

Plus, their first party games are all the same damn characters they have been using for, what, almost 20 years?

Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember Blinx, the cat with a time-altering vacuum? I didn't think so. How about "Grabbed by the Ghoulies"?

Nintendo had the opporunity to change their image for the better and what do they give us? WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!

At least they've stopped thinking of online multiplayer as a fad that wouldn't last long.

[Black]

Two, three RE games tops, I believe. I know at least Resident Evil and Resident Evil 4.

Aside from Metroid (usually rated Teen now), Nintendo itself doesn't make many more 'mature' games. And I'd rather see the kind of games Relic makes on the 360 or a PC than a Wii(iiiiii!).



Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember Blinx, the cat with a time-altering vacuum? I didn't think so. How about "Grabbed by the Ghoulies"?
Resident Evil 0, a remake of Resident Evil 1, ports of RE2, RE3, RE:CV, Resident Evil 4, to be exact.

[Kryopsis]

Slightly OT: I actually really enjoyed Impossible Creatures and was surprised it didn't sell.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember Blinx, the cat with a time-altering vacuum? I didn't think so. How about "Grabbed by the Ghoulies"?
No fair, Starblade: these are the new-age characters that didn't sell. There were older chaps that no one recalls such as Polterguy.
Now speaking of modern heroes, how about Master Chief, Dante, Gordon Freeman or Kratos?

[Starblade]

They ported RE 2, 3, and CV? Huh, I never heard anything about that.

[Black]

They ported RE 2, 3, and CV? Huh, I never heard anything about that.
Well I have a copy of RE3 for GCN, and GameFAQs lists them as released games.

[JAL-18]

No, I don't think we're mature enough for Relic if everyone is willing to kill everyone else over their console preference.

[Busby]

Especially when we all know how superior PCs are.

[ceejayoz]

By the looks of it, Wii could be the best selling console of next generation As could the Xbox360 - and that's far more likely. I don't fault Relic for focusing on the two platforms (Xbox and Playstation) with the largest current markets.

[Black]

As could the Xbox360 - and that's far more likely. I don't fault Relic for focusing on the two platforms (Xbox and Playstation) with the largest current markets.
The Xbox 360 has been performing mediocre in Japan while there is a lot of interest in the Wii globally. Microsoft really hasn't cracked the Asian market while the Wii is strong there and possibly has a strong position elsewhere. Wii was the hottest topic on CNet for a few weeks after E3, beating the PS3 and 360.

I think it is safe to say the PS3 won't sell the best, so it's between 360 and Wii. The 360 has been out for quite a while without seeing fantastic sales. The Nintendo DS (though not a console) has been outselling every other system for the past year, which could be an indication that Nintendo's strategy is working and will work in the form of a console.

Obviously, it's still up in the air, but the Wii is almost guaranteed to secure larger marketshare than the PS3, and at least enough to be comparable in size to the 360.

[No Surrender]

Microsoft really hasn't cracked the Asian marketNo, Microsoft has yet to crack the Japanese market. In places like Hong Kong the 360 is selling quite well.

Hmmm, I'm actually kind of disappointed at this news article. I was hoping Relic would focus on the PC in the future instead of doing console ports. Maybe they can get a out of house dev to do the porting.

[Black]

No, Microsoft has yet to crack the Japanese market. In places like Hong Kong the 360 is selling quite well.

Hmmm, I'm actually kind of disappointed at this news article. I was hoping Relic would focus on the PC in the future instead of doing console ports. Maybe they can get a out of house dev to do the porting.
Heh yeah, I was going to change that, but I decided against it for no reason =\

[Dorkdav]

This really doesn't surprise me at all. The best Relic can do is look at the GameCube and that demographic cartainly doesn't match theirs.

Sure the Wii can change that, grab some older gamers. But that is on Nintendo to prove it. Also the console is different, devs don't know what it is capable of. Maybe if they play it they'll get some ideas.

Right now, Relic and Wii seems like a bad fit. But a year after the console's release that could completely change.

[Moe]

"wii" and "mature" just don't go together. I mean just look at the name ffs.

[Eboli]

I think Bill Shakespeare said it best

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"

[x3sid]

Since when did specs mean anything in console business? I mean PS and PS2 both were weakest consoles of their generation in terms of power, yet they were most popular.

When it comes to multiplatform games, the best selling console has always the edge over others, if Wii becomes the best selling console like I believe it will, multiplatform games will be made so that Wii can run them, and Xbox 360/PS3 ports will not use the full power of those two consoles, unless game companies want to put extra money and development time for making of ports.

Games designed to use Wii control method, are hard or even impossible to port over to other consoles.

I have no problems with the "Wii" name, I think its great because its so simple, and easy to say. Im glad they also left out the "Nintendo" part of name that they have always used in their console names.

To me Playstation 3 is childish name, sure they had to think hard to come up with that name. ;)

[QuixotesGhost]

Gamecube had "Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem" an exclusive title. Probaly one of the best games to tell a story of Lovecraftian Horror. Much scarier IMO than any of the Resident Evil games.

One of my favorite bits:

A Fransican Monk is investigating strange murders at a monastery in 15th century France. He finds a secret room in the basement that leads to a huge room. At the back of the room is a giant 30 foot demon from beyond just sitting there, hanging out.

The demon's gaze falls on the monk.

The monk grabs his own head screaming uncontrollably until his head explodes in shower of gore.

About half the characters you played in that game were doomed to die in horrible and awful ways. Plus you got to fight zombies with dual flintlocks. That was cool.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

Games designed to use Wii control method, are hard or even impossible to port over to other consoles.

Yup. And even if the Wii becomes the leading console, i kinda doubt it will have more market share than Xbox+PS+PC.

[Moe]

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"

Shakespeare was talking out of his ass. If we would call roses "pukesticks" nobody would buy the damn things.

[Rusty]

Who wouldn't want Pukesticks. Come on.

[Retroboy]

Vomit plants, then?

FYI someone said Impossible Creatures sold terribly. I THINK I recall a statement from someone official that IC actually sold reasonably well, but interest in the game declined quickly. Certainly didn't bankrupt Relic.

-- Retro

[Nurizeko]

I agree that chances are Relic's decision is purely based on the stupid name.

[ceejayoz]

When it comes to multiplatform games, the best selling console has always the edge over others, if Wii becomes the best selling console like I believe it will, multiplatform games will be made so that Wii can run them, and Xbox 360/PS3 ports will not use the full power of those two consoles, unless game companies want to put extra money and development time for making of ports. The reverse is equally true, and Microsoft has expressed willingness to prop up the Xbox line with their $80 billion in available cash they have lying around.

[Dante]

Maturity and video games have no real correlation IMO. In fact, I think I enjoy less serious games that focus on fun rather than retarded run-n-gun games. I was called a "fag" by my friend's middle school brother...but he still needs his mommy to buy his "M" rated games...So go figure. I still play FPS now and then, but it's basically...90% multiplayer, and 10% single player. Hell, we still LAN it up and pull out Halo2 sometimes. It's great fun, but we don't play for the maturity aspect.

Anyways...Relic has probably decided it can do well enough without investing into the Wii. So I don't mind...

Plus...I think it would be kinda weird playing DOW with a wand. :)

[Noir]

Honestly, I think the entire idea of "maturity" in this situation betrays a childishness in-of-itself. After all, we are looking at an inexpensive Weeaboo console.

However, the specs of the Wii do indeed make it more difficult to power the more resource hungry games over. Obviously there's going to likely be a few features from the chopping block for Relic's newer games such as CoH or The Outfit.

[ÜberJumper]

Listen, Relic can't make games for EVERY console, they're just not big. They've picked their markets and are sticking to them, rather than diversifying to a console that's not aimed at the same market they're aimed at (IE: People that like combat games).

[Nurizeko]

Also its not about maturity, its about a stupid name.

[SquidDNA]

Nuri, we heard Moe the first time. Quit spamming. Your first post was just "lol, i agree" and your second one was a reiteration of that.

[x3sid]

Listen, Relic can't make games for EVERY console, they're just not big. They've picked their markets and are sticking to them, rather than diversifying to a console that's not aimed at the same market they're aimed at (IE: People that like combat games).

Just like the PC, consoles are not aimed to some specific market, they are for everyone. The whole purpose of console business is to have largest possible user base, so that you can make money with game sales. Saying that some console is aimed for certain group of people is bollocks.

Some consoles just have more games than others (based on console sales) and thats the only difference. The ones with bigger pool of games got something for everyone.

I see myself as a upcoming Wii owner, and I believe that most of my games that I will get for my Wii will be "combat games" as you put it, with the exception of Wii Sports and a Madden game of course. :)

Like I already said I dont want to see current Relic games on Wii, some games like DoW should only be on PC.

But the whole concept of Wii just makes me wonder of what kind of game Relic would come up for Wii, if they would make one? It has less power than Xbox 360/PS3 yes, but still enough to impress people, especially when companied with a great gameplay experience.

My point is that you can't really do anything revolutionary in games just with the graphics and sound anymore. Its same thing as all these new movies like Superman Returns (that I just saw) filled with plenty of special effects that make people yawn.

This console with a stupid name could become the bestest selling console in history, seems like people do not realise yet how huge it will be, even Microsoft has admitted that it will be big.

Xbox 360 is a nice system and is doing really well in US and Europe, but in Japan it will never sell much, Japanese prefer Japanese products always. PS3 just has failure written all over it, because noone can justify the higher price of PS3 if the PS3 games will not be that much different from Xbox 360 games in terms of looks, and given the Sony's track record of failed media formats, its unclear does the Bluray drive have any other purpose in the future other than storage for PS3 games?

[ceejayoz]

x3sid, we really have gotten the point that you like the Wii. That's fine.

The only advantage, though, that I see to developing for it is the unusual controller. The examples I've seen for it are nifty, but it comes across as a bit gimmicky - it certainly doesn't apply to the types of games Relic has focused on thus far. I can understand why Relic would want to go with the more powerful system.

[Starblade]

Saying that some console is aimed for certain group of people is bollocks.
Xbox 360 is a nice system and is doing really well in US and Europe, but in Japan it will never sell much, Japanese prefer Japanese products always.

I'm sorry, what?

By the way, has anyone heard a launch date for the Wii? I'm seeing ads for games for the Wii already.

[Kryopsis]

This console with a stupid name could become the bestest selling console in history, seems like people do not realise yet how huge it will be, even Microsoft has admitted that it will be big. The key word is "could". People talk as if it is already the best-selling console in the history of gaming.

[Starblade]

The Virtual Boy had a stupid sounding name too. It also had the ability to become the 'bestest' selling console in history.

The Wii is going to be hit or miss, mostly because of its controller (though, a good deal of games supposedly let you simply use the typical control scheme, thankfully).

[SchizoBadger]

Go Relic! They know foolishness when they see it! PC will always reign supreme! Death to the capitalist console dogs!

See the thing is that yeah, the 'Wii' has this , oh-so amazing , so and so controlling trinket that would require developers to make games ONLY for the 'Wii'. They would have to convert these games to other consoles by trying to figure out a way to port it and keeping it fun. Yeah, sure the 'Wii' has a normalish controller too. But there is only so much you can do with a d pad and a few buttons.

I don't give a crap if the 'Wii' is going to be as revolutionary and great as everyone thinks it is, all I know is it is going to take an act from the gods themselves to get developers to focus on making games for the 'Wii'. Why would you make some game for chimpanzees when you could make a game that could sell for 360, PS3, and PC?

Everyone is always gibbering about how revolutionary the Wii is, well all I know is revolutions happen when something becomes oppressive and unproductive. The game industry is not either of those, the industry is doing well, sure most genres (especially FPS) is getting very repetitive, but it is not in a critical state. Therefore I deem the 'Wii' just another big gimmick strategy to lure all the dimwits (from what I can tell, pretty much everybody) into buying it. Nintendo has conspired for many years since the N64 to lure fools in with gimmicks and cheap tricks.

[Eboli]

DB- I wonder if people were criticizing the analog stick, shoulder buttons, and rumble features as "gimmicks" before Nintendo spearheaded (not necessarily were they the first) them and made them the norm.

The thing about the Wii's controller scheme is that it has the full functionality of a normal controller and does have an analog stick. It also has the ability to utilize the more conventional Gamecube controller.

A company isn't forced to make games solely for the Wii, they can make any tradtional game and it will be able to be controlled as well as on any other system. In Addition to this Nintendo (and other companies if they so choose) can make specifically designed games that utilize the Wii's control scheme exclusively, by no means will these be all games. Also having the Wii's controller scheme allows for additional content. Imagine a game is made for the Xbox, PS3 and Wii. Functionally they all play the same but maybe the Wii's additional controller feature allows the player to experience the game differently, or play it in a more intuitive way.

If you owned all three systems and a game came out for all three and functionally they were all the same, but the Wii version had controller specific features that set it apart which system would you buy it for? Which system would you buy it for if the games were cheaper too?

Edit: Also wanted to point out for all the "gimmick" people out there that Sony thinks the motion sensing feature is going to be more than a gimmic. Enough to rush it into their "new" controller.

[General Blaze]

Following your logic, the PSP should have trumped the Nintendo DS and the DS should die a horrible death like it should becayse it's a "cheap gimmick". But it didn't.

[No Surrender]

Xbox 360 is a nice system and is doing really well in US and Europe, but in Japan it will never sell much, Japanese prefer Japanese products always.And this is important because we all know that the population of Japan is larger than the combined populations of North America, Europe and Oceania...

Consoles are inherantly geared more towards certain groups than others. For example, the PS3 is obviously geared towards people 16+ since they're more likely to have their own income and can shell out the $600 USD as opposed to a 12 year old who has to somehow convince their parents to get one for them...

[Noir]

And this is important because we all know that the population of Japan is larger than the combined populations of North America, Europe and Oceania...

Oh the North American market is considered by many to be the largest market, and Yurop is the one who always gets screwed over for games unless there's sex in it.

The problem with the Japan market and the failure in market penetration of is that what comes out of there is venerated by enough Weeaboos to theoretically generate a critical mass that almost ensures that almost every system not coming out of Nippon is doomed to distant second place unless they REALLY screw up(see Gamecube).

I mean come on, haven't you heard enough about the Yaoi fangirl stereotype?

[SquidDNA]

Um, is anyone actually going anywhere with this thread or shall I lock it before it becomes OMG LOL WHICH CONSOLE IS BETTER WTF.

[SchizoBadger]

Erm, I 'spose you should considering either you like the 'Wii' or you don't and everyone seems quite entrenched in what they believe (including me). Okay so Relic said they are not planning on making games for Wii, I say hoorah, someone says boo.

I think you are correct, there is nothing to really discuss that will lead to anything worthwhile. It is especially so when you think that the 'Wii' is not out yet and who knows when it will come out. This 'discussion' could go on forever because no one is correct and no one is wrong.

[Nurizeko]

Nuri, we heard Moe the first time. Quit spamming. Your first post was just "lol, i agree" and your second one was a reiteration of that.

So agreeing is no counter-revolutionary, I repent and submit myself for political re-education.

[x3sid]

I want to point out that I am PC gamer, if anything, but I think I have already been labelled as Wii fanboy. :)

Few months ago I would not have even touched any console until I heard about Wii. I think that it will be huge success because it can draw non-gamers into gaming, just like DS is doing now.

Gimmicks and cheap tricks? Atleast one company is always trying to invent something new, instead of copying ideas of others (Sony), the whole concept of how consoles work today came from Nintendo, except for Xbox Live or similar service, idea that came from Microsoft.

This thread is probably not going anywhere. :)

[Nurizeko]

I'm not a big fan of consoles myself, their turning into PC's anyway, hehe.

I just like the multi-functionability of PC's, for work and communication aswell as play, I like the fact PC's are very user friendly, in the sense I can delve into its innards and software and customize it entirely to my preferences.

Plus FPS games just arent the same on a console.

Consoles probably wont be around for too long, if they keep going down the road of becomming PC's by another name.

[boolybooly]

they have been psyched by sony and MS reps

[General Blaze]

Actually nuri, the 360 and Wii can still be called game consoles.
The PS3 however is touted by a Sony PR as "computer" to "take on the PC". He believes that it will destroy the need for PC gaming. Yeah right.

[x3sid]

Plus FPS games just arent the same on a console.

This is actually one of the reasons why I am so interested about Wii.

Wii controller(s) could actually make FPS games play better in consoles or even better than in PC, but we have to wait and see.

Possibility of having movement of your both hands simulated in game will take FPS games to new places, room for so many new ideas in a stagnated genre. After finishing Prey I feel like I have seen pretty much everything these games can offer.

But I do not trust Nintendo PR guys who say that the Wiimote is the best controller for FPS games. I have played almost every PC shooter after Quakeworld, and I will do my own judgement when my Wii, and Metroid Prime 3 arrive. After that I can report here and say if its better than mouse/keyboard or not. :)

[A176]

if you people don't like saying 'wee', some instead prefer thinking 'we' as in a group of people...i personally just say 'why'. i honestly couldnt care less what the official pronunciation is, as long as it sounds right to me.

anyways:

Nintendo is no longer an adult orientated brand. You'd be foolish to believe otherwise. Of course, this doesn't mean that there's absolutely no sign of 'mature' games, but you can't really compare when a game called 'Animal Crossing' is a best seller.

If you're going to buy the Wii believing that there's going to be loads of action games, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment. try broadening your horizons to include pokemon, and you'll be set.

nuri: the fps argument for consoles has become moot...it simply doesn't stand up when more and more and more FPSs are being released for consoles, with accompanying sales to prove it just works. anyways, 6 million+ copies of halo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved) can't be typo, can it?

there's no reason to be bias towards any console just because you've owned a pc for your whole life. they're all gaming machines, one way or another.

[JAL-18]

If this thread is any indication, I think the Wii will have the advantage solely because when the fanbois go to war, those nun-chucks are going to become mighty useful.

[Tiresias]

A176: Animal Crossing though is played by adults a lot. The visual style may look childish but nintendo have always been great at distilling th eactual games out of genres. I think there is confusion between adult games being ones in which people swear and adult games in which adults enjoy playing. Nintendo have always had plenyty of the later and there are also quite a few of the former.

The Wii is aimed at everyone that is the point of it. It will be the ultimate party machine and will break away from the rut games are in atm. Just because guns and swearing don't feature prominantly a system is resigned to being for kids, and anyone who thinks this wy is missing out, case in point the DS, something the Wii is effectively a continuation of the same design ethic, it has loads of great games on it.

The name is shit though.

[Eboli]

If this thread is any indication, I think the Wii will have the advantage solely because when the fanbois go to war, those nun-chucks are going to become mighty useful.
Ah the traditional refrain of any online discussion of console systems, whether anyone's actually acting like one or not.

[ZellFish]

Caught this thread a bit late, but I have a correction to Post # 6. Turok next-gen is debuting on the 360, And the PS3. Just wanted to clear that up, as it's looking to be a fine piece of game.