Fascinating! Pallywood!

[ÜberJumper]

This doesn't really surprise me...

http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

... but fascinating that this sort of thing could be going on. For me, this paints the palestinians in a whole new light.

How common is it? Dunno

Are all such scenes staged? Probably not

Something interesting to think about in light of what's happening in the middle east.

[Tiresias]

Not surprising really, propaganda such as this will likely be going on all the time

[Noname_MiB]

As a general rule, I just don't watch TV. Too much crap on it, everyone is trying to push their point down someone's throat

[hiddensmoke]

I'm not suprised by the propaganda but at how un-proffesional they go about doing it.

[Mnementh]

Its just sad that the media constantly report it as fact.

[BaltarSoft]

A international case of Whiplash

[snrjefe]

For the most part the media is lazy. They take whatever their handed from AP, UPI, Reuters, the White House etc and regurgitate it. Hell, I'd bet this wasn't even a 60 Minutes original story. Given the narrator's accent it's probably a BBC story.

[Boomstar]

Meh everyone does it, Palastine just isn't very good at it.

[General Nuke Em]

I love the reactions. When the angelic Palestinians fake something there's no outcry, but when the baby-eating Israelis or satanic America says anything, its automatically demonized. :rolleyes:

[NovaBurn]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/

Wag the Dog sound familar?

[Retroboy]

Nice find, uber. The problem with that particular propaganda is that it's low budget and relying heavily on spectators as actors.

I wonder if that French network got a huge black eye after the spot aired. I'd suggest that further incidences of Palestinian-produced media would be watched a little more closely, maybe?

-- Retro

[Atreides]

I was talking with a friend today and she told me about the whole Qana incident. I found this British website that deals with what appears to be another example of Pallywood.

EU Referendum (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/)

Warning: Some unsettling pics

Scroll past the first story and it begins the long and exciting career of who might be the ONLY "rescue worker" in Lebanon. This guy was photographed in 1996 in Qana as well.

Maybe we have found the Hezbollah version of Matt Damon.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

pallywood - Well, I for one know this kind of thing is going on all the time in palestine. Still, color me unconvinced that these particular snippets had any actual impact on a news story. If I saw those on the news, my thoughts would be 'people shooting guns at eachother? What else is new?' It seems like the kind of thing that would be better used as a recruiting or propoganda video ('Our Brave Soldiers' or 'Martyrs for Freedom' for working titles) than something that would actually have shock value on the news. This is little more than filler.

At: Now this is more interesting. Though you would be better served by the original link. But unconvincing, unless you really think the Lebanese Red Cross was in on it too. It's all innuendo without evidence. The time stamp business is nonsense, and remind me of the 'he couldn't possibly have used a zoom lens!' incident. I cannot credit the 1996 comment though. I mean, really, what?

I found mention that a UN convoy arrived at Qana on monday. Presumably that's who the blue uniformed soldiers are. They would have to be in on it too.

[General Nuke Em]

Time stamps are nonsense? So if you take a picture of me at 10:00 a.m. in San Francisco and I am accused of killing somebody at 10:01 a.m. that same day in San Diego, then the time stamp of the photo is irrelevant?

[TheDeadlyShoe]

Yeah, but the timestamps are mixed up with different photographers (==different cameras) and from news websites which put their own timestamps on the AP photos. My point is that it's not actually evidence. Revealing photographs or testimony from people who were there saying as much would be much more useful. Otherwise what we have here is a blogger working backwards from the conclusion that photographers are actively collaborating in setting up publicity stunts. Working backwards from conclusions has gone very wrong before, even within the limited field of right-wing amateur war photo analysis, as can be seen in the aforementioned zoom lens incident.

The process is supposed to go the other way. The Pallywood story by 60 minutes, despite the questionable impact of the faked incidents, actually puts forwards evidence that they are faked. And they use quite high standards, conceding that it was not proven that the ambulance incident was faked. Wishful thinking based on time stamps from different cameras and websites is not even a tenth as good evidence as the ambulance incident.

For example, in a court of law, those time stamps are useless without independent verification. It is a trivial matter for anyone with even basic electronics skill to alter time settings.

[Mac_Bug]

http://www.fair.org/activism/osi-propaganda.html

Learn from the best.

[HunterX]

It seems like the kind of thing that would be better used as a recruiting or propoganda video

Shoe, but it is in a sense. A lot of this kind of footage (the edited stuff) airs on Arabic TV daily, and is then more than likely shown to students in the Islamic fundie schools with all kinds of rhetoric spouted at them while they watch it. You can't tell me that it's not being used in at least some minimal capcity as propaganda videos.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

Well, no. I didn't really address that. Thing is, though, there's nothing there that theres not already thousands of hours of video of. It's not necessary for propoganda.

If, say, they did a video where the ambulance was riddled with bullets and a rocket shot at it, that would be a different story.

(heh. story.)

[Mac_Bug]

If seeing these 'fake' images will make people take action and do something other than thinking of it as statistics, maybe it's a good thing. Unless of course, everything that's happening is entirely fictional and those 50 something people in Qana are not dead.

[SquidDNA]

Same can be said for the Pentagon program, Mac.

[ceejayoz]

Very interesting.

[Foehammer]

There is also another theory about the Qana massacre over here, pretty interesting:

http://ws.giyus.org/points/point?id=77

[Mac_Bug]

Like I said squid, learn from the best

[SquidDNA]

What you didn't say is "It is equally right or wrong for Palestinian or United States governments to spin to the point of fabrication. Each of them believe they are right and outright lying to the media is justified by their cause."

For fuck's sake, Mac, start posting like you're as smart as you are. Quit this half-assed trolling shit. It derails discussions because your posts are so ambiguous that nobody can be sure whether you're disagreeing with them. If this is your intent, you really are just trolling.