[MOD] Vietnam Mod anyone ?

[DSrtSnK]

Hi, i just started to make a Vietnam Mod, it will take some time until I'm able to show first screens thought, because i have to get in touch with the Tools first...but be prepared :)


oh and of course, if you have ideas and stuff, tell me ! :)

[MadCatChiken]

I'd think it be great to see.

[WalkA]

sure, my friend!:moo: :bow2:

[Mogolov]

Another idea robbed from under my nose, only joking. ;)

I was thinking about this a while back, I would love to see vietnam in the CoH world. I did put a few ideas together but it's been on the backburner for a while shall we say lol.

The main thing i was worried about was how to include helicopters into the game. I havent been able to find out how to setup the movement. If you can do that, then that much seals it for me.

[DSrtSnK]

i was thinking of just using helicopters for offmap support, like the P-47 in CoH, or for rapid troop deployment, like theres a Huey landing and dropping of some Rangers. If you have some Ideas are pictures you already gathered, feel free to give them to me ;)

besides, does anyone know if i can import the CoHModels in 3ds Max or something ? its really annoying to start the game and load a map for every change you make :(

[MadCatChiken]

Well theres still more mod tools to come i think. Also F4-Phantoms as a command ability. Napalm Run. :)

[DSrtSnK]

instead of the bombing run :)

[MadCatChiken]

Command Abilities for an Air doctrine.

Air drop - Huey or Chinook droops a squad or 2.

AT drop - Same as normal.

Supply Drop - Same as normal.

Attack Huey strafe run. (Huey comes and fires some rockets. But not as affective as the Cobra)

Cobra Attack run. (Pretty much a Cobra comes circles around its target firing rockets and the chaingun.)

F4-Phantom Napalm Run.

[DSrtSnK]

yeah, pretty much like that, only that i think i ll make the Huey Strafe run like the P-47 Machinegun attack , so you dont have to much rockets and stuff, and for the airdrop, i think hueys > chinooks, because of the look / feeling :)

[six7]

This would be alot of fun if done well.

[KnowsKnone]

Lol, I started to make one got a bunch of new units and stuff and my comp died and lost it all. Good to hear somone else is lookin for a Vietnam War mod hehe... Good luck, and Cheers!

[DSrtSnK]

i think im done with the rifleman and support unit reskin, will do Para's and Rangers now. Screens will be posted later, because atm each rifleman got 2 guns :S

[D4rthf4c3m4n]

what would u do for air recon? also, id keep a bombing run typoe attack for AT and antibuilding, unless you will have napalm hurt tanks a lot.
maybe a spec ops branch as well

SEALs, SEAL sniper (uber 1337 sniper), and SEAL insetion (maybe a helo) SEALs can camo and upgrade like stormtroopers (maybe nade launcher, forgot what vietnam one was) and LMG (also forgot)

the other part would be some support features, maybe heavy weapon drop, heuy attack run, and arty strike..

idk what youd do for an armor type...


the could also be an NVA branch and a Viet Cong branch for the opfor... maybe Soviet support for the 3rd? (gets al sorts of heavy soviet tanks ans AA and stuff like that, maybe Spetznatz (sp?) or were they not around then???)

[DSrtSnK]

great Ideas there :) I will do something like a plan this weekend about what im trying to change ingame and stuff, and i think you just solved my "what do i give the NVA as command tree?" question, THX ! :D for the US im planning of doing US Army, Airborne, Marines Tree, more informations this weekend ;)

btw, almost all US Soldierskins are done (exept the Rangers, got a problem there) , screens will follow tonight or tomorrow :)

[KnowsKnone]

Yeah only if we could use the M1919A6 model ingame so it fits the era better, the M1917 looks ugly anyway, and it was used more during EARLY early '44 and the M1919A6 took its place by vietnam, along with the M60...

[SteveO2160]

SEALs werent really used in Nam... Rangers, GreenBerets, and SOG units were
mostly the Rangers and GreenBerets as special forces

Wow, sorry about that folks my post made no sense. SEALs were not really used in Nam and if I'm not mistaken weren't around. GreenBerets Rangers and SOG units were the special forces of choice during the war.. Mostly Rangers and GreenBerets were deployed. Definatly make sure Rangers + GreenBerets are as good as they were.

[D4rthf4c3m4n]

ohh.. Tom Clancy said they were, so i just assumed they were :) ohh wait was that the SOG??? maybe it was NVM. (lol)

to Dsrtsnk- NP man, glad i could help.. would love to see u pull this off. Good luck!

[Fatso]

"SEALs were not really used in Nam and if I'm not mistaken weren't around."

yes they were. very much so.

[KnowsKnone]

They were used as scouts,snipers, and blowing stuff up that needs to be blown up lol. So, is this mod being done, or is it dead? It has been awhile since the was posted in, would love to see it finished...

[GrenadeMagnet]

SOG was short for MACV-SOG, which stood for .
Military Assistance Command, Vietnam Studies and Observations Group

Believe me, these guys were not just observing.

SEALS were feared by the Viet Cong for their ambushes and raids n the Me Kong Delta.

My uncle was in the Marines and did two tours in Vietnam. I asked him about the SEALS - he said they were very well respected - quote, "tough SOBs." That's pretty high praise considering that a Marine is complimenting a sailor.

Here's some ideas for the mod...if it's alive. Keep in mind most mods that I've seen like to add in a ton of unit types, but this distracts from the game in my opinion. I think THQ did a fine job with the balance, so I would opt that you stay with the basic premise, but just change the flavor of the units to appeal to the Vietnam theme. Remember, that Vietnam was mostly an infrantry war. Yes, Tanks and Air were used, but most combat was Man to Man based.

Allies = USA + South Vietnamese

Allies Tech Tree Options
Marines (SEALS, Airstrikes abilities)
Army (Green Berets, Artillary bonuses)
ARVN (ARVN Scout Squad + home turf type abilities)

Standard Issue Squads
Rifleman Squad (special ability - LAW Rocket)
Mortar Weapons Team
MG Weapons Team
Sniper Team (camouflage ability, call AirStrike)
ARVN Scout Squad (camouflage ability, call Artillary)

Vehicles
Jeep
M113 APC (replaces the Half-Track + add additonal MG abilities)
M113 Ambulance (mobile medic station)
M48 FlameThrower (Repaces the Sherman)
M48 AT (Repaces the Sherman)

Buildings
Forward Observation Post (replaces MG Nest)
Barracks (Troops start with M14 Rifle, but here is where the M16 Upgrade Ability replaces BAR ability)

Special Units (called through tech tree addons)
Marines - SEAL Team (demo ability, fireup)
Army - Green Berets (demo ability, force retreat)
ARVN - Scout Team (stealth, add RPG)

Axis = North Vietnamese Army + Viet Cong

Axis Tech Tree Options
NVA
Foreign Support?
VC

Standard Issue Squads
NVA Rifleman Squad (special upgrades - AK47, RPG Rocket)
Mortar Weapons Team
MG Weapons Team
Sniper Team (camouflage ability)
VC Sapper Squad (camouflage ability, demo buildings)

Vehicles
PT76 APC (expensive, since NVA had to import their equipment from China/Russia)
T55 Tank
ZSU-57 or ZSU-23 AA Tank

Buildings
Spider Hole (replaces MG Nest)

Special Units (called through tech tree addons)
NVA - Strike Team (Add RPG, Add PK LMG)

[Kyranzor]

nice ideas grenademagnet (and name lol!) i think that a vietnam mod would be haxtastic (good)! much potential indeeeed. you can make it that when in the cover of foliage/trees that the squad/soldier becomes invisable, and can be seen only when moving/within say 20m. give the "hold fire" ability to all units. this would be orsm!!!

so its not just a "cloak anywhere" its a "context sensitive" approach, allowing for awesome ambushes indeed.

[DSrtSnK]

no, its not dead, US Inf. Skins as good as done (only very little tweaks), German to NVA reskins like 80% done, had much to do the last days, but i will put on a list of what i plan later tonight, and i hope you give me your opinion on it :)

€dit:// oh, and if someone wants to help with any information, idea, code or model thing, tell me :P

[DSrtSnK]

Allies = USA + South Vietnamese

Allies Tech Tree Options
Marines (SEALS, Battleship Fire Support (Artillary abilities)
Army (Green Berets, ARVN allies, Artillary bonuses)
Airborne (Paradrop, Heli carrying tank, airstrikes (napalm))

Standard Issue Squads
Rifleman Squad (special ability - LAW Rocket)
Mortar Weapons Team
MG Weapons Team
Sniper Team (camouflage ability)
ARVN Scout Squad (camouflage ability)

Vehicles
Jeep
M113 APC (replaces the Half-Track + add additonal MG abilities)
M113 Ambulance (mobile medic station)
M48 FlameThrower (Repaces the Sherman)
M48 AT (Repaces the Sherman)
Truck with AA on it (like the Eve of Destrucion or Black Widow Trucks)

Buildings
Forward Observation Post (replaces MG Nest)
Barracks (Troops start with M14 Rifle, but here is where the M60 Upgrade Ability replaces BAR ability)

Special Units (called through tech tree addons)
Marines - SEAL Team (demo ability, fireup)
Army - Green Berets (demo ability, force retreat), ARVN Scout Team (stealth, add RPG)
Airborne- Airborne, Sheridan Tank (will be like the M10 atm)

Axis = North Vietnamese Army + Viet Cong

Axis Tech Tree Options
NVA Specialists
Russian Support (Tanks, etc.)
VC

Standard Issue Squads
NVA Rifleman Squad (Mosin nagant; special upgrades ppsh41(maybe 43), RPG-2)
Mortar Weapons Team
MG Weapons Team
Sniper Team (camouflage ability (1st Nagant, but when lvl 3 = SVD)
VC Sapper Squad (camouflage ability, demo buildings, that 75 munition thing that the airborne has)

Vehicles
PT76 APC (expensive, since NVA had to import their equipment from China/Russia; but also troop transport)
T55 Tank
ZSU-57 or ZSU-23 AA Tank

Buildings
Spider Hole (replaces MG Nest)

Special Units (called through tech tree addons)
NVA - Strike Team (Add RPG-7, Add RPK)


did some quick changes, i think the russian tech tree could get some big Tanks of the Russians, and the VC's mostly weak but stealth units, for making ambush's and stuff, also maybe some stickie bombs and stuff

AK47 / M16 : I think i will give the AK and M16 only to special forces (because they are like STG44) and the squadleaders will get the Car-15 / AKMS

c&c welcome :)


edit// added some screens, color will remain the same i think, but i will tweak them (MG42 Helmet) and i will try to get a nicer helmet or remove it (will try out alpha maps for that)


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[Kyranzor]

lookin good man, keep up the work! you need a few maps like the Ho Chi Mihn Trail and some other huge forest maps with the occaisional large road for tank movement.

the city maps like Khe San would be cool too.

[GrenadeMagnet]

Thanks for the name compliment BTW!

Another good battle map would be the City of Hue as depicted in Full Metal Jacket. Here is Urban Combat at it's height.

I'm not sure how to do it, but it would be a sweet deal if you could adapt the Mines logic to a Claymore Mine with selectable detonation. To cap the deal - a directional explosive, so the facing could be controlled at planting and triggered when a squad came close. Very cool indeed.

[Kyranzor]

you CAN do area effect damage (thus explosions) in an arc i think. theres a few diff types of templates, one of then is a circle. so the claymore is slightly possible

[Fatso]

we need fire bases.




Sharidan needs a missile launcher though.

[Feldspar]

need to reskin weapons, its kinda odd to see the us using m1's and thompsons :P

but the skins for the men are pretty decent, keep it up.

I'd love to see a nice vietnam mod

[DSrtSnK]

yeah, i ll try a bit, but i lost a bit of motivation, i think its somewhere in this boring editor :S

[asynd]

glad to see someone has actually started a mod on this, i had planned on making one my self awhile back but i didnt see any time frame for any official mod tools ei ways to create new models for the game etc, its almost exactly similar to what you have so far heh.

i dont think il be attempting any mods until i see more tools being released. heres all the resources that I had came up with before i decided to put it on hold. i never got around to coming up with a tree for the NVA, my idea was to have a defensive/proproganda type option, then another one that has air support options that would be provided by the soviet union(flying NVA colors of course ;) )


i have some some links that i used to gather pictures/information about the war, if you want them, just let me know and il pm them to you


Im not sure if you have done this or not, but the way I had came up with to make it where the player could only have access to specific units was by adding them to the commander tree requirement, if the player picked army, army specific units would then be added to the build options in the barracks etc.





-------1.1 Infantry Units---------

US Army Rifle Platoon – 12 Default. Carries the standard issue m16 assault rifle, grenade launcher/machine gun for upgrade

US Marine Squad – M14 standard issue, can be upgraded to the m16. NOTE the m16 has a high rate of fire but lacks the range the m14 has. For every advantage there is a disadvantage 8 Only available for Marine Commander Flown in by chinook

US Air Cav Squad – Standard Issue M16 Only available for Army Commander – Flown in by UH1. Abilities; Fireup, Suppress, Build Defensive structures

Mortar Squad – 4 Man team

MG 60 cal. – 3 Man Team

Sniper – 2

Medic – 1

Engineer – 2

--------1.2 Armored Units-------

M-113 ACAV – *4* Can carry up to 16

2 ½ Ton truck – *2* Carries 24 personnel or can be upgraded to ????

M-48A3 PATTON- *5* Primary Tank for US Forces, Slow, Powerful, can only cross certain types of terrain. Main Gun is extremely effect against any unit type/structure

M101 / M102 105mm Towed Howitzer *4*

M107 175mm Self-Propelled Gun & M110 8-inch Self-Propelled Howitzer *8*

-----1.6 Support Units Only--------

Rockwell OV-10 Bronco – Available to all commander sides, slow low flying reconnaissance aircraft

Cessna O-1 Bird Dog

McDonnell F-4C Phantom – Only Available to army commander side, comes in 2 variants, 1st. Carries bombs to target buildings, bridges. 2nd carries napalm and white phosphorus bombs. Effective against all infantry types, including your own.

Douglas A-1 Skyraider – Only Available to Advisor commander, Slow and Low flying bomber, has 6 machine guns, and 4 800 lb bombs.

Douglas A-4 Skyhawk - Only Available to Marine commander, Fast Mover, instead of just 1 bomber per sortie 3 skyhawks will fly in formation to deliver their payload on the selected target. NOTE: This is the only Fighter/Bomber Support that the marine commander has available. The recharge time for this support call is 3 minutes and cost several resources due to the intense bombardment

Bell UH-1 Series Utility Helicopters – Delivers AirCav Reinforcements to the battlefield

AH-1G Cobra Attack Helicopter Only Available for ** , a single cobra will fly in to fire off its 33mm rockets and its machine gun onto the path you set.

CH-47 Chinook Cargo Helicopter – Brings in marine reinforcements, It will deploy 2 Marine squads NOTE: Can only be deployed in your own territory .Helicopter can be shot down by AA guns and can be destroyed while its unloading , this reinforcement option should only be used in an area that is free of AA guns and should be protected while its unloading.

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army comander->

a.army squad
b.air cav reinforcement - flown in
c.improved defenses
d.air recon
e.f4 bomber support1
f.f4 bomber support2
------------------
marine comander->

a.marine deployment
b.scout sniper reinforcement
c.Tank reinforcements
d.air recon
e.Marine Divsion Reinforcement - flown in
f.skyhawk airstrike
------------------

arvn comander->

a.arvn squad
b.howitzer support
c.sog reinforcement
d.air recon
e.gunship support
f.b52 bomber support
------------------

[Kimmo69]

I have a quick addition here - Make the NVA and VC squads start with the Simonov SKS semi-automatic rifle... It kinda evens out the basic Rate of Fire...

[DSrtSnK]

Yeah, wanted to do that and make the SKS like the M1 Garand in CoH, and the M14 like the Kar98 regarding fire rate and stuff.

I think i ll reskin the G43 Sniper, use an alpha map for the whole Scope, and make it look like an M14, since its the only model that looks more or less the same.

[asynd]

almost forgot about this, for the army commander i had planned for the army infantry have m16 rifles, while the marines would only have the m14s since the majority of marine units carried the m14 for quite some time while army units had the m16 , atleast thats what i read somewhere about the timelines of when weapons began to be introduced/upgraded and replaced

[Kimmo69]

Whats the status on this? Has it been dropped? Because i am really looking forward to seeing this mod in action...

[asynd]

eh no idea kimmo, alot of mods that are TC's are sorta die before they have a chance to get off the ground since there still arent any offical model tools out or art tools. im sure a different vietnam mod will surface when/if things are released ;/

[usmc123]

is this dead i think it has some serious potential with the mod exporter and jungle like maps:dance:

[raizan]

sounds great, although, ive been thinking about this for a while (not as a mod, i was thinking it would be good fo a possible coh2) anyways, the vietcong would have to make extensive use of the jungles, otherwise this mod would be so imbalanced. By this i mean that the average vietcong sqaud could use infiltrate, or most at least, to set up ambushes etc....mainly because firepower was not on there side. also, A tunnel system at OP 'swould be nice :)

[doogs]

Ok, Vietnam mod for COH is VERY GOOD MOD ! Enjoy !

[TheVOID]

almost forgot about this, for the army commander i had planned for the army infantry have m16 rifles, while the marines would only have the m14s

You do realize that the M16 is not superior to the M14 in any regard, except weight, right? ;)

[Leanardo]

you do realize this is dead right? if not then oh. lol but i havent seen anything new in it for a while.

[TheVOID]

Since it was neither closed, nor marked as dead, nor anywhere but on page one of this subforum, I did in fact not assume it is dead. ;)

If it is dead, it should receive a proper burial. :tomb:

[asynd]

yea i know, the m14 was definitely a better weapon to have in the field than the m16

if tools ever get released during the time im still interested in continuing my own vietnam mod, then il make it. but right now. theres not alot i can do

[doogs]

UP !

[cunheromt]

great idea a viet mod

[doogs]

Very good idea :jump:

[PvtBob]

So is this mod dead or what? I would really like to see it get made, I dont think there are any 60-70 era RTS games out there but i think they would be really fun.

[Eddie]

The right tools for proper modding haven't been released yet:(

[PvtBob]

and i'm guessing that you have no idea when they are... oh well maybe by the time OF is out the tools will be to....

[MorganFour]

I think they're holding onto them so we dont pinch their ideas for the next release.

[Nugiman]

wow a vietnam mod! :banana:
best idea ever for CoH! :agree:
i hope it comes out soon!

[Leanardo]

i thought this died but if not then ill do some some stuff for it.

[PvtBob]

well its not dead but i think they have done all they can do till the new tools come out but youll have to ask the guy working on it what still needs to be done

[PvtBob]

I just wanted to get the idea for this mod back out there now that the new tools are out

[Nugiman]

Its dead! D-E-D! Dead!

[PvtBob]

oh well i can dream cant i...