CrossOfFire
20th Mar 07, 12:28 PM
So, I've been off for awhile (almost two months to be exact). I look at this forum and realize what I was in months ago, and that's a vastly pre-deliberated unwilling to "flex" close minded peer group.
Now I'm not going to bash this forum, had quite a few good memories here, and there are some good people here.
That being said, I'm going to speak about legislation currently being pushed to pass and my views on it, and I'll ask that all of you at least give me a moment before you take your pre-positioned points to argue anything resembling something different from your fixated Point of View.
So, there's a new Weapons ban proposed in the United States, to ban all "Assault Weapons." Here's my .02 worth, I'm not going to argue with emotion or anything, but present facts. By the way, before this begins, thanks for the time and the read.
There's been a common mis conception among voters and citizens of many nations across the globe, that banning fire arms will solve a problem, that problem is crime, there is no evidence what so ever of this fact and expecting criminals to follow laws is elementarily stupid. They can smuggle in 20 million people? What makes you think they can't smuggle in guns? These laws only have one effect, disarming the people who obey the laws, the law abiding citizens who took the initiative to arm themselves, or for sporting purposes do otherwise.
The Guns aren't the problem either to begin with, a gun never picked it's self up and shot two or three people or killed it's owner. It's always been people that have killed people, I think our judicial system is the problem in that effect, in that, Our Judicial system is a laughing-stock, these days you can murder people, or rather, Rape and bury 6 year old girls alive and be declared retarded and let off. The insanity plea is a joke as well, but what isn't a joke is the fact that it works.
I think we need to make much more severe punishments for firearm violations and for violent crimes. As it stands now the majority of the criminals are repeat offenders, up to 60 to 70% are, any crime committed with a gun carries a felony sentence, which costs you your right to vote and your right to bear arms, for the rest of your life.
How is it that we have multiple violent crime acts with criminals with guns? Because you expect criminals to follow the law.
I think it's also unreasonable and ignorant to hold 250+ Million people accountable for less than a half of a percent of the populace. Do you realize one instance, two career criminals, men who had previous felony convictions (noticing a pattern?) shot up North Hollywood, and 50 million people lost their natural born rights, where they appreciated it or not.
Also notice how some of the worst crimes involving guns in the past 20 years have been in gun free zones? Such as Columbine, DC Sniper, etc. Again expecting criminals to follow laws... But at the same time making law-abiding citizens be held accountable for these criminals, and yet we don't even hold those criminals accountable anymore. (See mention of 6 yr old raped girl buried alive and man being declared retarded)
The United Kingdom is a prime example of things to come, if this path continues, they banned firearms after a truly horrific shooting, understandably so they thought the best thing to do would be to ban guns. Yet, there is more gun violence and more violence in the UK now than ever. Notice how they banned firearms? Last summer there was a ban that went through on certain domestic knives, ask some of the residence of the UK that post on this forum, but yet they have the same violence today they did last summer? Guns aren't the problem now guns weren't the problem then.
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban has sunsetted as of September of 2004 and yet we've had no real remarkable spurts in crime, in fact this is the lowest murder rate we've had since 1991, and yet they're still savagely trying to ban firearms.
Let's take a step into the criminal's way of thinking, why would they ever go after armed citizens when they could just as easily assault or pursue unarmed citizens? That has been testified to by many criminals, they don't go after armed citizens they go after unarmed citizens who are weak, etc. Concealed Carry Permits are terrifying to criminals because they can't harm those people, or those people have the means to defend themselves.
They go after women and children, but yet we still get rid of our means of protection, your natural rights, whether you appreciate it or not.
I figured for humor reasons I'd post this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2312508445846864220
That's Penn and Teller's view on guns, a lot of good points, great video.
What else is funny is notice in the areas with the most guns, there is actually the least amount of crime, what shoot outs happen at gun shows? What killing happen at gun ranges? But yet look at down town New York City one of the most Anti-Gun Pro-Rights places in America and ask yourself how much crime is there?
Bottom line, Politicians should propose harder legislation against violent criminals not law-abiding citizens, makes sense no? Why not up the anti and make it 5 to 10 years mandatory on top of every sentencing involving firearms, or 10 to 15? How many criminals would you see then? Make that plus give the citizens the right to carry weapons? How much crime do you think there'd be if you're Option A: Going to Prison for basically ever if Option B: You don't get shot in the process of trying to rob/rape/kill someone?
Anyway I'm going to get flamed for this, and hounded, but I doubt anyone will have any facts to bring to the argument.
Just sit for a moment and think, I realize Hollywood has had a deep rooted effect on many of you, and you'll realize the facts shortly, but really approach it with a fresh mind, think about it.
Anyway, that's all I've got.
Now I'm not going to bash this forum, had quite a few good memories here, and there are some good people here.
That being said, I'm going to speak about legislation currently being pushed to pass and my views on it, and I'll ask that all of you at least give me a moment before you take your pre-positioned points to argue anything resembling something different from your fixated Point of View.
So, there's a new Weapons ban proposed in the United States, to ban all "Assault Weapons." Here's my .02 worth, I'm not going to argue with emotion or anything, but present facts. By the way, before this begins, thanks for the time and the read.
There's been a common mis conception among voters and citizens of many nations across the globe, that banning fire arms will solve a problem, that problem is crime, there is no evidence what so ever of this fact and expecting criminals to follow laws is elementarily stupid. They can smuggle in 20 million people? What makes you think they can't smuggle in guns? These laws only have one effect, disarming the people who obey the laws, the law abiding citizens who took the initiative to arm themselves, or for sporting purposes do otherwise.
The Guns aren't the problem either to begin with, a gun never picked it's self up and shot two or three people or killed it's owner. It's always been people that have killed people, I think our judicial system is the problem in that effect, in that, Our Judicial system is a laughing-stock, these days you can murder people, or rather, Rape and bury 6 year old girls alive and be declared retarded and let off. The insanity plea is a joke as well, but what isn't a joke is the fact that it works.
I think we need to make much more severe punishments for firearm violations and for violent crimes. As it stands now the majority of the criminals are repeat offenders, up to 60 to 70% are, any crime committed with a gun carries a felony sentence, which costs you your right to vote and your right to bear arms, for the rest of your life.
How is it that we have multiple violent crime acts with criminals with guns? Because you expect criminals to follow the law.
I think it's also unreasonable and ignorant to hold 250+ Million people accountable for less than a half of a percent of the populace. Do you realize one instance, two career criminals, men who had previous felony convictions (noticing a pattern?) shot up North Hollywood, and 50 million people lost their natural born rights, where they appreciated it or not.
Also notice how some of the worst crimes involving guns in the past 20 years have been in gun free zones? Such as Columbine, DC Sniper, etc. Again expecting criminals to follow laws... But at the same time making law-abiding citizens be held accountable for these criminals, and yet we don't even hold those criminals accountable anymore. (See mention of 6 yr old raped girl buried alive and man being declared retarded)
The United Kingdom is a prime example of things to come, if this path continues, they banned firearms after a truly horrific shooting, understandably so they thought the best thing to do would be to ban guns. Yet, there is more gun violence and more violence in the UK now than ever. Notice how they banned firearms? Last summer there was a ban that went through on certain domestic knives, ask some of the residence of the UK that post on this forum, but yet they have the same violence today they did last summer? Guns aren't the problem now guns weren't the problem then.
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban has sunsetted as of September of 2004 and yet we've had no real remarkable spurts in crime, in fact this is the lowest murder rate we've had since 1991, and yet they're still savagely trying to ban firearms.
Let's take a step into the criminal's way of thinking, why would they ever go after armed citizens when they could just as easily assault or pursue unarmed citizens? That has been testified to by many criminals, they don't go after armed citizens they go after unarmed citizens who are weak, etc. Concealed Carry Permits are terrifying to criminals because they can't harm those people, or those people have the means to defend themselves.
They go after women and children, but yet we still get rid of our means of protection, your natural rights, whether you appreciate it or not.
I figured for humor reasons I'd post this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2312508445846864220
That's Penn and Teller's view on guns, a lot of good points, great video.
What else is funny is notice in the areas with the most guns, there is actually the least amount of crime, what shoot outs happen at gun shows? What killing happen at gun ranges? But yet look at down town New York City one of the most Anti-Gun Pro-Rights places in America and ask yourself how much crime is there?
Bottom line, Politicians should propose harder legislation against violent criminals not law-abiding citizens, makes sense no? Why not up the anti and make it 5 to 10 years mandatory on top of every sentencing involving firearms, or 10 to 15? How many criminals would you see then? Make that plus give the citizens the right to carry weapons? How much crime do you think there'd be if you're Option A: Going to Prison for basically ever if Option B: You don't get shot in the process of trying to rob/rape/kill someone?
Anyway I'm going to get flamed for this, and hounded, but I doubt anyone will have any facts to bring to the argument.
Just sit for a moment and think, I realize Hollywood has had a deep rooted effect on many of you, and you'll realize the facts shortly, but really approach it with a fresh mind, think about it.
Anyway, that's all I've got.