Grey Knights troops question

[Death_Spectres]

Ok, to get the laughs out of the way, I am an EXTREME newbie to WH40K. I chose the Death Spectre SM chapter and looking to complement in with some Grey Knights. I currently have two tact squads, two term squads, scout squad (sniper rifles), devastator squad, two assault squads, two chaplains (one with jump pack) and librarian. I am going to adding even more SM squads but wanted to diversify with Grey Knights. I was thinking two GK term squads with two psycannons each and two squads of basic GK in power armor for a total of 20 pieces so far. I get really confused on weapons and attributes to attach to them, should I use Justicar, is it necessary for Torquemada Coteaz or Brother Captain Stern? I don't think I'm going to use GK vehicles as I should be pretty good with my SM army. Please keep it very simple; if its one thing I've learned is that there are too many options in WH40K to keep track of...please help!

[Escapehatch]

You aren't forced to take a character like Coteaz or Stern (and as allies, you wouldn't be able to anyway due to the points requirement). You also aren't allowed to put two heavy weapons in the GK terminator squad, max allowed is one.

[Death_Spectres]

I knew that one heavy weapon per squad was true but with the new Apocalypse rules allowing pretty much free gaming I wasn't sure if I should load up heavy or not.

[onewhiteduck]

You can't take two GK terminator squads, unless one is taken as a body guard for HQ.

[Escapehatch]

I knew that one heavy weapon per squad was true but with the new Apocalypse rules allowing pretty much free gaming I wasn't sure if I should load up heavy or not.

Not exactly how Apoc works. Limits on models and organization was done away with, but the units themselves still need to adhere to their respective rules.

[Death_Spectres]

Ok, understand it now but even with the high point value, is it still worth using Corteaz or Stern or Ordo Malleus Inquisitor allowing for term unit as body guard as HQ choice and another term unit? Are servitors worth it? Seem to get conflicting threads on this in Warseer. Also any recommendations on type of weapon for regular GK squad with power armor?

[Escapehatch]

Ok ok, slow down with the questions. We're here to help with a handful of them, not anything that comes to mind :p

First off you need to come up with a basic set of guidelines that you have for your army. Is it for Apocalypse, if not, what's the points range for it? Do you plan on playing competitively, or just for fun? Are you limited financially, and if so, which part of your army is most important to you? Once you've gotten all this out of the way, compose a sample army list of what you think you'd like to field. Once you have all your framework laid out we can fine tune the details according to your situation.

Oh and btw, welcome to the forums :bigwave:

[The_Guardman]

However, you can have 1 psycannon as Terminator's heavy weapon and 1 as weapon option for the Brother-Captain (or Brother-Captain Hero, or Grand Master).

[Admrl Andrewski]

(and as allies, you wouldn't be able to anyway due to the points requirement).

when you take them as allies the points for fielding them have to come from a pure codex daemonhunters force? so you can't include the space marines ?or do you mean something else by this

[Escapehatch]

(and as allies, you wouldn't be able to anyway due to the points requirement).

when you take them as allies the points for fielding them have to come from a pure codex daemonhunters force? so you can't include the space marines ?or do you mean something else by this

The way I've always interpreted it is that you need points from the respective army to field their characters. So you'd need 1500 points worth of daemonhunter units to field Stern, using my approach.

Example:
"A Ninja Turtle army of more than 1500 points may include Master Splinter."

Note the bold text. Additionally, some characters have even more specific text. Creed is a good example of this (although I'd never force my opponent to field a pure Cadian army just to field Creed).

[Death_Spectres]

Escape, Guard and Admrl thanks for your help. I was looking to play for fun, don't think I'll have enough time to go competitively, I'm being overwhelmed by all of the nuances of this game but I think the models for SM are awesome which is why I chose them and chose Death Spectres chapter b/c they seemed unigue so I was going to use them as my primary and use GK as supplemental force as extra punch with their higher tolerance for taking and giving damage. I'm not limited financially, actually have my eye on a few of FW tanks/support craft to purchase. I am interested strongly in Apocalypse so gearing up to build a force of that size. Is it a bad thing to just want to deal immense pain and defeat on the opposing player(s) while having fun doing it? All in good fun of course.

[Jimmythehand]

Grey Knights in power armour can take two heavy/special weapons not one

[firestorm]

there is absolutly no problem with playing to win - just don't turn into a cheesemonkey while you're at it. no-one's stopping you from taking terminators, land speeder tornadoes, or dreadnoughts, just don't take a termie hq, 3 termie squads, 3 tornado squadrons, and 3 dreadnoughts using 'heed the wisdom' to get...(mathhammer) 80 rending shots a turn.

[Fidgee]

thats a mean army

[DinoDoc]

The way I've always interpreted it is that you need points from the respective army to field their characters. So you'd need 1500 points worth of daemonhunter units to field Stern, using my approach.According to the rules, it only takes into account the army total not where the units that make up that total come from.

[Escapehatch]

According to the rules, it only takes into account the army total not where the units that make up that total come from.

What rules? Reference please? In the DH codex it specifically says "A Daemonhunters army" under the entry for Stern. I'm not saying my way is absolutely correct, it's just how I interpret what the codex says.

[DinoDoc]

The fact I ran him and a Troop squad as allies in a SM list in a few GW RTTs led me to believe it to be legal.

[Escapehatch]

Regardless, there's still not any written evidence to back up that claim. I've no doubt that it was allowed in the tournaments you played in, but going by what we're given (the codex), it states otherwise. Again, you said "according to the rules," and I just wanted to see these rules you speak of.