What Armies do you play?

[DarthFelth]

dude, you can kill any army, i was trying to think how to tweak it :p and wether to use me raptors or not :p

[Tribunal]

It's easy to wipe out an army if you know what is going to be in it beforehand, and then configure your army accordingly. I think it is more fun to only know what race the other person is going to be having, and only find out which units after all of the units have been selected. The first couple of times I played we were selecting armies at the same time, and when he decided to throw in that SW dreddie and I only had one unit that could stop it, I had to grumble about it a bit because he was so smug right then (still beat him though!).

[Iron Warrior]

i was joking i never go to a game without a prestatted army i dont believe in it

forgot to add
i would prob just play my normal type of army (you know a basilisk and 2 defilers and a havoc team with lascannon and tank hunter for heavies) with the new tvr that would be nasty to destroy tanks with ordinance :p :lol: :sniper: ;)

[DarthFelth]

Basilks and 2 defilers, how many points do you usualy play? I myself tend to use one of a few pre made armies when i play, reguardless of who i play, that did get me abit buggered when i played a DA ark angel guy who designed his army to face mine, and i didnt release what i had

3,000 Khorne army
2,000 Thousand sons army
1,000 Flesh Teaers amy

anyone have any tips for using Thousand sons as i think im gona use them next time i play, that or space wolves, both armies are untested in the new rules

[dArKB*****d]

Ok I haven't played any games workshop games since like around 1994 or so can't be to sure..

In 40k I controlled a sizeable chaos/tyranid army.

1 Chaos Lord + terminator armour
2 Chaos Champions in Terminator armour
1 Chaos Psychers 1 on disk.
1 Greater Demon of Khorne.
1 Greater Demon of Nurgle
1 Greater Demon of Tzeench
10 Flamers
10 Pink Horrors (20 Blue horrors) <-- expensive if you consider there value
10 Plague Bearers
2 Jugguarnat's + Champion mounts
15 Terminators 3 Assault cannons,
25 Chaos Marines.
5 Noise marines --- only slannesh in army!! :)
10 Bloodletters
2 Chaos Drednoughts
2 Hive Tyrants
2 Lictors
1 Carnifex
2 Biospore Mortors
25 Genstealers
6 Tyriands 3 close combat 3 long range...

That's all I can remember... they're still sitting in a loft collecting dusk I think!!!

[DarthFelth]

right then mr :p my Khonre army

2 Khonre lords in termie armour and pairs of lighting claws
1 khorne lord in power armour
1 blood thirster
1 daemon prince
24 Berzkers
40 blood letters
16 raptors (8 new, 8 old)
10 flesh hounds
1 Land Raider
4 Rhinos
5 Khonre Termies

hehe thats just me Khorne guys :p

[dArKB*****d]

Hehe nice... I'm strictly tzeench in warhammer fantasy battle... but I used to borrow other friends demons for 40k games that explains my random chaos alignments, they would only give those demons listed to use wasn’t allowed to use there hordes :) still have them from last battle we played of 40k must have been around 8 or 9 years ago, soon broke up and started collection rage cards instead....? Games workshop got to expensive, not that it wasn't already, I think it was the fact it was getting all cheap and plasticy.

There used to a group of about 6 that played I bought all the game box sets they let me borrow for 40k skirmishes, as I was only chaos player...

Ahh the good old days never less than 5 player games :) All against all.. Interesting game dynamic, hard to agree on any controversial roles or rules. But that was half the fun

40K battles often included

CHAOS/TYRANIDS – Mixed hordes
BLOOD ANGLES
SPACE WOLVES
ORKS
ELDER

The regulars occasionally some DARK ANGLES would play or another ELDER group

[DarthFelth]

my blood angels got broke by my step dad, my sisters of battle got broke my by step dad, what few nids i had got broke my step dad, my orignal space wolves army i got bought for me b-day and christmas at one of the debenhams mega sales days got broke by, guess who, yep my step dad.

I think back in the day, 2nd ed was great, we had a small group of players that always played, used to play the staff alot at our local store, our man armies were:

Blood angels
Chaos
Orks
Eldar
Halequins
UltraSMuffs

man we used to play alot of Fantasy then, most my army was Khonre, had a few bits of Nurgle and Tzeentch, i hated Pink Horrors cos to units were so expensive, it was cool when in 40k they stopped teh spliting rule. But in some ways as i have said many times, the alot of the old rules are better, i think the old rules, with the new stats, restrictions would be alot better

[dArKB*****d]

I poped into games workshop the other day to have a gander and I couldn't believe what they'd done to warhammer and 40k all the rules have been simplified I thought 2nd ed was pushing it after the first ed. but now it's role the dice oh you've won kinda rules... oh well still got all the old codex's and battle books. plus magic item cards if I ever wanted to play again :)

[DarthFelth]

lol same here, as i said, the new stats and limitations with old rules, but it does make for quicker games ;)

[Iron Warrior]

darth: answer to your question 2,000 points
but this sunday we are playing 1500 so i have to do something with my army im not use to such low points
we're doing a rescue mission that one of the guys created so it should be fun
and yes my army usally is expensive in points
like my defilers and basilisk all having indirect fire, mutated hull, and paracetic possession
ive had the basilisk alone grow back its main gun 3 times in one game
but in my opinion they are worth it

[Iron Warrior]

forgot to add anyone know anybudy that would like some of the old lizardmen models
i have 4,500 points and prob only going to keep 1500
(its sad in the army i have around 110 sararus and around 80 skinks) ;)
over half of the army is still on the sprues

[DarthFelth]

hehe in last edition of warhammer my chaos aemy was about 16,000 pts i had 2,000pts beastman army, about 4,000/5,000 of deamon world amry. about 120 chaos warriors, 50 knights, 80 marauders and a few other bits. 5 dragon Ogres is a bitch

[Iron Warrior]

cool but i dont see why i should keep them because no one around here is playing fantasy so why should i keep them

[Rabiddog]

Well I'm hoping to get a job so I can go for massive expansion but so far I am collecting the beginings of an IG army I have 2 boxed sets of infantry and a Leman Russ battle tank with sponson heavy bolters a las cannon, main battle cannon and spintle storm bolter :)

I am planning on buying more soon but do to limited funds it will be kind of hard but as I said the second I get a job my first pay cheque will probobly go into buy a full army for myself officers and all :).

Right now though my plans are to buy a IG command HQ squad, a blister of officers a Chimera a Leman Russ and a third boxed set of soldiers bringing me up to 6 squads or two platoons.

[Iron Warrior]

well IG is a good army it was the second army i played at one point i had 5000 points of IG about half of it was Armor Company
i would say about 2000 of it was troops

[DarthFelth]

i think the problem that everyone had with guard was the cos of troops, i mean, how many points of troops did yay et for your money. if i did a IG army, i would have to get a job at gw first

[deggy]

But if you had the job Feith, you wouldn't have any time to paint! Heh.

But seriously, it's usually about $100 for every 500pts worth of models;

3 Lemun Russ's, w/ weapons and gear ~480pts cost: $35 a box
total $105

3 IG Infantry platoons w/ weapons and gear ~500pts $30 for Guardsmen & $9 for Command Squad
total $117

Typhus and 7 Plague Marines w/ Champion and gear, and 7 Plaguebearers, ~510 pts, $15, $35, $40
total $90

Yeah getting a whole 1500pts or 2000pts at once is a chunk of cash, but 2 video games at $50 a pop is just about equal to the 500pts of minis, you'll spend just as much time occupied and you can also play w/ friends.. It's a bargain!!

Yes its an investment of money, but its also an investment of time! With all the painting and modelling you'll have to do, not to mention playing, you won't have time to spend money on anything else :)

ps. I'm just trying to convince myself that its ok to blow more cash on another box of Deathguard and 2 Dreadnoughts from forgeworld, 480pts w/ weapons and gear $110 total...

[DarthFelth]

yeah well, im trying to convince myself thats its ok to spent like £80 on 7 men and a hell of alot of time..... and only 500pts...

[deggy]

termies? Ork Nobz in 'Eavy Armor?

[DarthFelth]

space wolf termie sergeants converted into aspiring champions of Khorne with pairs of lightning claws 5 attacks each

[deggy]

5 attacks, reroll misses, ignores armor, and in a 1500pt game, 1 3rd of your army... you'd have less than 30 models on the table?!

Is it really worth it? Or do you only play +2000pt games?

As another cult army (deathguard) I know the woes of expensive armies with small numbers, but I try to maximize the number of bodies I can put on the table. What will your list have that can kill vehicles? Cause Lightning Claws are great but they don't penetrate that well...

[DarthFelth]

actualy i they dont reroll misses, they get +1str and Int on the charge, and it ant for small games either, and dont even wanna make them aspirig champions, however i thought a Khorne Termie would rather have lightning claws than a combi-bolter that will like get used twice in the game, if that. I also use lots of plasma weapons, Krak Grenades. I have a land raider, i always have my greater daemon, however i wouldnt used these guys in a 1,500pts game, you know i cant afford 80 odd points a model in that size game, i do have a normal unit of termies with a few melta-bolters in, i did actualy put a army list in here. Besides theyw oudl look damn cool ;)

I really wanna get 2 of them Khorne dreadies from forge world, one with a plasma cannon and one with a multi-melta.

[deggy]

pg 16 Chaos codex, re-roll failed to-wound rolls :) I knew you got to re-roll something

And yes, those ForgeWorld dreadies don't suck!! I love how the Deathguard one has a head like Typhus/

[DarthFelth]

yes we all know lightning claws do :p i used them enough ;) if yay give erm spiky bits then they all get 1 re-roll to hit, str 5 on teh charge and re-roll to wound, why not give erm master crafted weapons ;)

[Rabiddog]

Well actually I got my box sets for a grand total of 52 dollars including 5 dollars s and h I got my leman russ for 29 bucks including s and h.

And I'd be able to get a force of another Leman Russ a Chimera (or Leman Russ) a Command HQ and a pack of Officers for about 84 dollars So I think I'm getting a sweet deal.

And if I'm interested in spending a little over 100 bucks I could get a Kasrkin boxed set or another Infantry Boxed set :).

I found a web site with sweet deals on all races but especailly the IG :)

[DarthFelth]

you wanna get the red coat guardsmen, if i ever do a ig army, i'll use them

[Rabiddog]

If your talking about the Praetorians I don't think they are still for sale.

For that matter I think there are three IG regiments out of production including:

Telleran
Praetorian
Mordian

Because I have seen NO one selling them so don't think they are still made.

[dArKB*****d]

What's your opinion on the first release of the hive tyrant... I personally can't stand the new hive tyrants.

the reason I'm saying this, is that I collected trynaids when they first came to 40k and I've still got a complete army unpainted :) we never had time to get them painted just played lol

They seem to have made improvements in some modeling techniques and neglected to make the models look fearsome enough.

oh well just my :2cents:

[DarthFelth]

Rabbiddog - i think you can still mail order them, you can mail order most stuff that isnt sold in the shops anymore after all. when i can afford to i'll give it ago anyways, no harm in trying :D

dARKB - i like the first one, i like the new ones, however i perfer the old Carnifix, i perfer the old metal Stealers, but who knows what the new ones will look like. Im just waiting for starship troopers 2, remeber what happened when the first one came out, might be some guard and nid deals on

[Tribunal]

Well, I don't have the new ones on hand yet, but when I do I will give my impressions. I was very surprised by the new Carnifex look -- I'm still not sure which one I like more.

(I must say though, the Forgeworld winged Tyrant is the best of the bunch. They did a GREAT job.)

[DarthFelth]

yeah, thats pretty cool, looks better than some little kid sticking dragon wings on the bacl with bluetack ;)

[dArKB*****d]

Yeah tend to agree darth, I always remember the quality of GM's products generally always improving but the first hive tyrant just looks beefy like he could eat a tank for breakfast :muffy:

The new 1 looks scary enuff just seems as if he's taken up on the slim fast plan. :blink:

[Arnach]

I play Imperial Guards (catachan and a fresh started cadian army), spacemarines and DaemonHunters.

[Captain Zog]

IIRC, i saw the new stealers a while ago as mock ups, they look kinda fat, and the front claws are huge, i'm hoping the pic was just a hoax though.

[Tribunal]

I've seen some Hive Tyrant pics recently, and with some of the arms etc that you can put on, and their positioning, with a decent paint job the new model can look great.

[Daste]

Dark Angels. 1K sons. 13th company. IG. The Empire. Chaos Dwarfs. High Elfs. Chaos Marauders (orc rules for these though). Orcs & Gobblins. Inquisitor (large scake moddels). Warmaster (High Elfs). Mordheim (Marienburgers). Necromunda (Escher). Man 'o War (elfs). Epic (space marines). Path to Glory (Beastmen).

[DarthFelth]

you know what i bought a undead warmaster army and i still ant played a game

[pchan126]

I mostly paint, not play (I just plain have the worst luck with dice)

Legion of the Damned (120+ plague zombies, RAWR)
Vallhallan Imperial Guard
Thousand Sons (ebayed off, but still have pics on my homepage)
Black Templars

I'm so waiting for Witchhunters to come out, and Relictors would be so fun to make ("Hey why do you have searchlights on all your vehicles....")

[DarthFelth]

yeah i wouldnt mind doing anouther sisters of battle army, but the next army im going get work on is my Flesh Tearers army, they are abit of a bugger, as you can only have 1 tank and 1 dreadnought (part for death company ones any ways) really trying to design a basic 1,500pts army that is totaly different to the rest that i use, in look atleast

[Richtofen]

I don't play much 40k because I find the game overly simplified from 2nd edition and the whole game seems to depend on the dice roll then the actual strategy, however I do have a Tau army. However, I do like the background and fluff to 40k and I hope that DOW is good and doesnt turn out crap like all other GW games (minus Dark Omen, but thats warhammer so its gonna be good:))

[deggy]

Yeah, I hope it doesn't turn out like crap as well!

[Megas Menandros]

@deggy,

Well spoken, I think that it is the very first time one of the devs admitted, well, uncertainty. It is also the kind of attitude that earns our trust and devotion.

Thing is, you are in a position to actually DO something about it. In other works, if you feel that something doesn't work, you can/and I feel you will do something about it.

Of all the games warhammer and W40K, only Dark omen I loved and played to the end.
And from most people, I hear the same thing.

I so much would love to be able to say the same thing about DAW (oops DoW).

[Richtofen]

Fire warrior could have been good....if it didnt involve one Fire Warrior single handedly kill like 2-3 demon princes, a lord of change, a valkyrie and a couple of dreadnaughts, not to mention all the space marines. The enemy I feared most in that game was the Imperial Lieutennant because of his chainsword. Seriously, that game boasted to be authentic to the 40k universe so how come pulse rifles needed to unload heaps of ammo to kill a single guardsman?

[deggy]

Fear not Megas! I am but a small part of a very talented team, all of whom care very much about making DOW the best it can be.

While I may joke around, I have every confidence in the skills of the dev team and of those managing the development process. DOW is already something that 'works' for me and we will spend every day until it ships making it better (except some of the weekends, and I think Shadione has a few vacation days left, but other than that, we'll work nearly every day... but I can guarantee that all of us at least think about DOW every day, well at least most of us think about it all the time. I mean on the average day I must say I think about it just about every hour or so, and if I'm at work it's usually more often than that!! And I tend to come in on the weekends a lot, so I think about it then too...)

there I hope you feel better about the whole thing :)
cheers!
-chris

[Richtofen]

What nice PR relic has!

Compare it to the typical Blizzard "We're looking into it"

[Maximus Decimus]

lol, i admire blizzard and their talents with games, cinematics, plots, etc but do believe they should be more involved with their community.

[Megas Menandros]

Originally posted by deggy
Fear not Megas! I am but a small part of a very talented team, all of whom care very much about making DOW the best it can be.

While I may joke around, I have every confidence in the skills of the dev team and of those managing the development process. DOW is already something that 'works' for me and we will spend every day until it ships making it better (except some of the weekends, and I think Shadione has a few vacation days left, but other than that, we'll work nearly every day... but I can guarantee that all of us at least think about DOW every day, well at least most of us think about it all the time. I mean on the average day I must say I think about it just about every hour or so, and if I'm at work it's usually more often than that!! And I tend to come in on the weekends a lot, so I think about it then too...)

there I hope you feel better about the whole thing :)
cheers!
-chris

You know, that is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. You get my vote, my gaming euros and my time (all_in_one pack). :D
:Pint: for the team. Even if, being Greek and all, I will try ouzo instead.

STHN YGEIA SAS! :Pint:

[Megas Menandros]

Originally posted by Richtofen
What nice PR relic has!

Compare it to the typical Blizzard "We're looking into it"

While I may love some of their games, TOO MUCH of what you like about Blizzard was stolen from Warhammer and 40K.

TOO MUCH.

[Maximus Decimus]

meh so what, all great works were inspired by something before it. u know nids someone could say they were ripped from starship troopers(not the movie).

[Megas Menandros]

@Maximus, you have a point here, but in the case of Warcraft, well the similarities are TROUBLING to say the least.

Well, I suppose that someting good did come out of it. I mean, had it not been for Blizzard, GW might still feel that computer games of its products would rip off its profits (selling of tabletop games and figures).

The obvious truth being that "each to its own", People will buy figures no matter what. Also, a successful computer game would sell the figures by the thousands, even to those who wouldn't budge any other way. And maybe, just maybe those who go for the figures, will discover the treasures of hidden gold within. (aka a true, "real world" cult that spawned DoW, not just a rehashed figure to make a buck -aka blizzard's Warcraft 3)

I am confident that a lot of armies of GW's wares will be sold because of DoW and its many (hopefully) expansions.

[negolith]

tau and space wolves

[Amur_Tiger]

.........and everybody ripped off Tolkin with the orks, elves, dwarves and humans.....
c'mon you guys the general concept of orks, elves, dwarves, humans and undead have been around for ages. Basically they both copied societies view of these pre-existing fantasy races.

[Brendan.A]

I play tau, space marines, orks, chaos,eldar,dark eldar,catachans,nids yay team

[DarthFelth]

i think someone has to much money on his hands :p i really been thinking about starting a Grey Knight army however they seem like they have a problem of balance and all

[Anthonace]

I collect Grey Knights and space marines

grey knights are fare more costly than normail space marines (25 pts for the basic unit instead of 15)
and daemons use the sustained attack rules

[DarthFelth]

well i still think flesh hounds and bloodletters won grey knights :dyn: However i have been really thinking anout getting a 2000pts army, them or redo my battle sister army

[Iron Warrior]

grey knights are nice but i still like my armies better
hey darth by the way got rid of the lizard men for 3000 points of Necrons :devil: and there is no C'tan in this one yet hehe

[DarthFelth]

bah, C'tan seem the most boring and pointless thing in the game, i have never played one, and i hope i never do, would be like using the Emperor or a Primarch :p Also i dont blame yay for getting rid of Lizard men, i really need some money so i can finish of my space wolves army

[Carach]

primach gets ripped apart by the black c'tan one (cant remember what it is called) i got marneus calgar...he lost his duel :P

c'tan r pretty much gods remember...so it is like the emperor fighting, it just goes thru everything like a knife cutting thru hot butter as the expression goes

best against necrons is just take their weakest stuff out till half their army is gone then they retreat...or so i have been told

[Maximus Decimus]

hm? marneus calgar is NOT a primarch but just a chapter master. i believe that in the iron hands IA it states their primarch fighting a C'Tan or hits that it is a ctan and kicks its but after holding it under lava for a few days.

i also believe that in a fight the emperor could open up warp portals around the ctan where then the ctan would be destroyed as he cant phase through warp material.

[DarthFelth]

well the emperor was near enough a god :p

[Iron Warrior]

dont even mention the false god (emperor) ;)
besides the nightbringer and the other and the deciever are only the ctan in a mortal body not the c'tan itself

besides i pitty the imperium if the corpse ever gets off the thrown

[Death Company]

the c'tan suck. in th novel nightbringer the c'tan nightbringer gets driven off by an ultramarine. now that is low.
btw i got blood angels, necrons (cos the lord kicks ass) an im getting the new witch hunters thing (ordo hereticus inquisitors and sisters of battle. nice!)

[deggy]

To be fair, that particular C'tan was just waking up! He was very sleepy and it did vaporize a half dozen guys and Uriel was getting crazy headaches, oooh and it made him all blood lusty! :)

[Iron Warrior]

dont know about the stories because i dont read the books
and yes necron lords kick ass expecially because of the ability to get up with more then one wound
had a lord get up 6 times because of that and he never did die outright ;)

[Maximus Decimus]

power weapons anyone? that woud take care of the lord nice and easy

[DarthFelth]

Lightning claws at str 6 does it even better :p

[Maximus Decimus]

lightning claws...mmmmmm... khorne lord with em is nice but for imperial counter part nothing beats a wolf lord with em and a bit of magic from the good old SW wargear section.

[Anthonace]

you want real killing blows try a thunder hammer
BOOOOOOM

[deggy]

Thunder hammer doesn't necessarily kill! It just stuns the hell out of anyone left standing!

You want killing, get your ordinance firing!
heh heh, I love one-ups-manship

While we're at this.. what's the
a) Most b) highest WS c) highest Str d) Save ignoring
combination of CC attacks on a single Unit and/or Squad you can come up with?

Rerolls don't count towards number but should be mentioned, (and how many)

If you're gonna do a whole squad, guess at the pointt cost.

[Zigguratei]

I believe the trophy in the best all around single unit divsion here would be given to a daemon prince of Khorne...

*picks up codex: Chaos and clears voice*..

Mark of Khorne, Daemonic Armor, Daemonic Resilience, Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Strength, Daemonic Mutation, Furious Charge and then the Bezerserker Glaive, Feel no Pain, Rage of Khorne.

You get a Killing Machine that when he charges..

Ws Bs S T W I A Ld S
6 3 7 5(6) 3 6 5+d3 10 2+/4+Invlun

He always Frenzies, Ignores Armor saves, and can reroll all wounds cept for powerweapons/fists making him nigh and impossible to kill. AND if 4+ Invuln isn't to your likeing, switch it for a dread axe and auto kill characters and add Daemonic Rune to end any fear of powerfists..

Comments vs Wraithlord/Avatar.. C'tan?

[DarthFelth]

hmm, i say that would be a bit of a monster part for you can still outright kill him :p

As for nothing betting a wolf lord, Bah, nothing beats a Khorne Lord with a few magic things :Slap:

[Maximus Decimus]

well i did say imperial counterpart lol not "the best" out there. ooo nice daemon prince but how would he answer my lascannons or even a grey knight grand master.. too bad wolves cant get those.

[DarthFelth]

id say give him a collar of khorne for yat grand master ;) and well give him a Daemonic Rune so he cant be out right killed by lascannons and the such :p

[Maximus Decimus]

lol then my long fangs must amass 4 lascannons! and if need be more long fangs!

i think daemon princes tooled like that are a big waste of pts since they will die before combat if opponent is smart.

[Whiteferret]

Originally posted by Zigguratei
I believe the trophy in the best all around single unit divsion here would be given to a daemon prince of Khorne...

*picks up codex: Chaos and clears voice*..

Mark of Khorne, Daemonic Armor, Daemonic Resilience, Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Strength, Daemonic Mutation, Furious Charge and then the Bezerserker Glaive, Feel no Pain, Rage of Khorne.

You get a Killing Machine that when he charges..

Ws Bs S T W I A Ld S
6 3 7 5(6) 3 6 5+d3 10 2+/4+Invlun

He always Frenzies, Ignores Armor saves, and can reroll all wounds cept for powerweapons/fists making him nigh and impossible to kill. AND if 4+ Invuln isn't to your likeing, switch it for a dread axe and auto kill characters and add Daemonic Rune to end any fear of powerfists..

Comments vs Wraithlord/Avatar.. C'tan?


VS 100pt Tau Rail Gun mounted on Broadside....... DEAD one shot

or on a 190pt Gunship... same outcome..... splat

[DarthFelth]

Daemonic Rune and yay cant kill him in one shot :p

[Zigguratei]

I takes about 29 lascannon shots on average to try and bring the afore mentioned deamon prince down.. remember people.. 4+ invulvn save, THEN another 3+ save.. and he gets into close combat MIGHTY quick. the best way I've seen is a squad of powerfists.

[ankara halla]

Yeah, like a group of assault termies.

[DarthFelth]

only problem with them is striking last and the size of the unit, he could wipe them out before they attack

[superkoekje]

well if u have a deamon prince u dont an army any more :p

[Whiteferret]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
Daemonic Rune and yay cant kill him in one shot :p


Only other problem is that is an illegal model. because it exceeds it's allowed wargear cost prior to even getting deamonic rune. You'd need to drop a few things to accomplish that.

Hence.... try again. And you wouldn't get the Feel no pain, Strength 10 is double toughness since instakills are decided on pre- moded toughness.

[Whiteferret]

Originally posted by Zigguratei
I takes about 29 lascannon shots on average to try and bring the afore mentioned deamon prince down.. remember people.. 4+ invulvn save, THEN another 3+ save.. and he gets into close combat MIGHTY quick. the best way I've seen is a squad of powerfists.

Only problem with him is that he is an illegal model, more than 100points of wargear in deamonic gear.

[Minatour]

i have a small squad of imperial guards but a (3000) army of daemonhunters..very fun to use.. i speciall like seeing armys of imperal guard and i like to play against space marines-necrons :monkey:

[elfatto]

Originally posted by deggy
While we're at this.. what's the
a) Most b) highest WS c) highest Str d) Save ignoring
combination of CC attacks on a single Unit and/or Squad you can come up with?

Rerolls don't count towards number but should be mentioned, (and how many)

If you're gonna do a whole squad, guess at the pointt cost.

I think I'll give this a shot. :p

I'm don't have my chaos codex with me ATM, but I think that a tooled up khorne lord with a retinue of chosen terminator aspiring champions is really really nasty (and expensive).

Firstly, the lord with terminator armour, mark of khorne, demonic strength, bezerker glaive, rage of khorne and furious charge. That's 9-10 (assuming that attacks are capped at 10) initiative 6 strength 6 weapon skill 5 power weapon attacks on the charge just for him.

Include a retinue of 4 chosen termi champs with axes of khorne, rage of khorme and furious charge, and you end up with 5 strength 5 initiative 5 power weapon attacks with an extra attack for every 6 you roll to hit for each chosen. Giving on average about 23 weapon skill 4 attacks if they all make it into base to base.


Total attacks: 32-33

The whole unit comes out to over 500 points for just 5 models :omg:.

[DarthFelth]

yeah i gave up on the idea of khorne termies with pairs of lightning claws, way to expensive 81pts a modle i think

[Anthonace]

i thought if you had an invanurable save you coul use EITHER that OR the normal one NOT both

[DarthFelth]

well i 2nd ed that wasnt the case, i ant to sure in 3rd ed as i only really use termie armour

[No Surrender]

In 3rd ed it's one or the other.

[DarthFelth]

well i ant played for a while, but thanks for that, somone i been playing has been cheating with his daemon prince

[H.B.M.C.]

Ultramarines!!!
Imperial Guard
Tyranids
Vanilla Chaos
Word Bearers
Iron Warriors
World Eaters
Alpha Legion
Lost & The Damned

There used to be more, but then GW went and got rid of a whole bunch of Guard sub-lists.

Basically Marines, Guard, Chaos & 'Nids.

BYE

[DarthFelth]

you poor man, Ultrasmurfs :wtf2:

[Carach]

i hate cheats :steam:

i play Ultramarines and Tau

[DarthFelth]

yeah, well that was one of the first few people after starting playing again, now i gotta learn all the rules again.... been so long

[Scudd]

I had.....2000 Eldar, back in Second Edition.
Have 1,500 Necrons now...simply because they look pretty bad-ass.
Am working on a few thousand point Thousand Son force.

As for Warhammer....Lizardmen, 2000pts old models, 2000pts new models.

[Keslov]

I play the Blue Boyz and my own lil creation 4 eldar

[DarthFelth]

yeah im still trying to figure out what i want for my thousand sons army, more what models im gona use for my chosen

[H.B.M.C.]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
yeah im still trying to figure out what i want for my thousand sons army, more what models im gona use for my chosen

If I can offer any advice it would be to make them into a HTH army with some suped up Champions, not a shooty force.

Thousand Sons pretty much suck at everything, but they're better in assault than they are at shooting.

BYE

[DarthFelth]

hmm, i thought they sucked in assault due to that I 1 and the fact they are so slow, bolters ant that bad i guess, that and psyhic powers....

[H.B.M.C.]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
hmm, i thought they sucked in assault due to that I 1 and the fact they are so slow, bolters ant that bad i guess, that and psyhic powers....

Oh don't get me wrong, the average T-Son's trooper does suck at HTH, but he's no better at shooting.

See, some people subscribe to this inane notion that Thousand Sons are a shooty army because they can move and rapid fire their bolters. 'Course what they forget is that bolters is all a T-Sons army can get, and each T-Sons marine costs 24 points.

24 point Bolter marines does not a shooty army make.

Now, T-Sons are just as bad at assault. I1, 1 attack, no bonus for charging, but they do have two things going for them:

Fearlessness and 2 wounds.

Now, in the Trial Assault Rules - which unlike the Trial Vehicle Rules, actually improved the game - unit characters (Champions, Nobs, Vet-Sergeants, Exarchs etc.) are invisible in assault. You can't allocate attacks to them. For this reason, they're usually the last one to die.

In a T-Sons army, Champions are normal Marines. They can have all sorts of nasty HTH weapons and upgrades and, better yet, in a squad of 9 (Tzeentch's chosen number) they have 8 Fearless Marines with 2 wounds each to back them up. That means your opponent has to plough through 16 wounds worth of Marines before they get a chance of smashing that Champion/Sorcerer.

That means that expensive Sorcerers with Power Fists and Twin-Lightning Claws are a good idea (obviously they can't have both, but a mix of the two works well, leaning more towards the power fist though). Master Craft them, add spiky bits, Daemonic Strength and Daemonic Mutation and you have a seriously dangerous model. As they're all sorcerers, give the model in question Gift of Chaos and use it to turn the enemy invisible power fist into a Spawn - a spawn that'll help you in battle!

And yes, Gift can be used whilst in HTH combat, and, yes, you can pick who the casualty is as opposed to your opponent as s/he would usually.

You could say this is a cheap trick, but considering that the basic trooper is 24 points, sucks horribly, and that Tzeentchian daemons are the most rubbish units in the Codex, it's fair enough that T-Sons get something going for them. Even the Tzeentch Minor Powers are horrible, and Tzeentch is supposed to be the God of magic. Slaanesh and Nurgle out do him!!!

So, as I said, my advice would be to use Tzeench as an assaulty army. You have units of 9 Marines (including the suped up champion) with a few Thrawls and maybe a spawn per unit to soak up lascannon hits as you march up the field (put the high strength, low AP hits like Lascannons on the cannon fodder Thrawls and Spawn, the low strength high AP stuff like bolters on the T-Son Marines).

Then get into HTH, gift the big scary Vet Sergeant in the other squad every game turn (game turn, not player turn, you can only do one power per game turn), and pummle away until they've whittled down your wounds.

T-Son Termies (not Chosen, just Termies) are even better. Still slow and pathetic, but they've got power weapons, a 2+ save and a 5+ Invulnerable save and still have 2 wounds. They're even harder to kill off in assault.

But whatever you do, don't try and think that being able to move and fire a bolter makes you a shooty list. It doesn't. Get your guys all tooled up for HTH!! :sam:

BYE

[DarthFelth]

hmm, well i was looking for a army with a different style of play to my khorne, Flesh tearers and Space wolves, can yay see the trend yet ;) however what did appeal to me was the idea of whole units of sorecrers using like 4 doombolts, couple of bolts of change, then chargeing in with powe weapons backed up by your lord with warp blade/for weapon or something special :D

[H.B.M.C.]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
hmm, well i was looking for a army with a different style of play to my khorne, Flesh tearers and Space wolves, can yay see the trend yet ;) however what did appeal to me was the idea of whole units of sorecrers using like 4 doombolts, couple of bolts of change, then chargeing in with powe weapons backed up by your lord with warp blade/for weapon or something special :D

Then play Vanilla Chaos, take a unit of Tzeentchian Chosen, do them up as a unit of Sorcerers, and then go firepower heavy with the rest of the army with a HTH lord with some backup.

Otherwise, don't play T-Sons. They're not a shooty army, and trying to make them a shooty army will just lead to furstration on your part (:banghead: ), and easy victories for your opponents. ;)

BYE

[DarthFelth]

i said i wanted to do a army that had a very different style of play to my others, as they all to seem to have the same, arg...

[H.B.M.C.]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
i said i wanted to do a army that had a very different style of play to my others, as they all to seem to have the same, arg...

I know, so, play something other than T-Sons.

Pick a non-marine army. Guard are fun. They shoot more than anyone.

BYE

[DarthFelth]

hmm, well i was gona do Tzeentch just cos i like the thousand son models and the greater daemon of Tzeentch, might still do erm, but perhaps not pure thousand son marines, all them sorcerers does kinda appeal to me, either them or eldar, when i get some money

[SirSteve]

tau, tau, tau and more tau. (tau is a more shooty army than imp guard, alot more. a guardsman looks like a assualt marine next to a firewarrior.)



oh and for fantasy i play brets.

[DarthFelth]

brets, they much different in the new rules, i ant played against them for a very long time

[H.B.M.C.]

Originally posted by SirSteve
tau, tau, tau and more tau. (tau is a more shooty army than imp guard, alot more. a guardsman looks like a assualt marine next to a firewarrior.)

N....o... Tau are not more shooty than Guard. Guard can have more heavy weapons than any army aside from probably Iron Warriors. Tau don't get heavy weapons except on their big suits and their tanks.

As far as shooty armies go, Tau are at the bottom of the ladder. It's unfortunate, but true.

BYE

[Alpine$un]

Blood Angels

[meepnight]

radical daemonhunters, space wolves, eldar, thousand sons.

[WarpGhost]

Space Wolves 13th Company

[badwitchproject]

Working on a mechanised Guard army.

[Runes]

Tau. Working on a Nurgle army

[Inquisitor Del]

Eldar (Vanilla), Space Wolves, Tau, and Chaos (undivided with some khorne).

[Daenyathos]

Kroot Mercenaries, Soul Drinkers and Teturact's Followers (a zombie army from the Bleeding Chalice). Also got some Praetorians and some ex-Black Dragons awaiting the new marine codex before their new allegiance is decided.

[Iron Warrior]

like i said before i play Iron Warriors, Tau loyalist army(no kroot), and now necrons
anybody got any ideas on how to change the green rods to say red or blue if so let me know
thanks

[Ork_Boy]

I Defiantly Play as Orks.

For Other Ork Players, Are Skarboyz any good? Or are Nobz Better?

[Ork_Boy]

Are Skarboyz Ne Good?

[Anthonace]

I collect grey knights and iron (sp?) hands

[MetalMilitia]

The screens to this game actually made me want to pick up me old orks, also I am currently playing DA although I need to revamp their list and I am making a Guard Armoured Company.

[DarthFelth]

i have been thinking about doing a Grey Knight army, that or finishin my Flesh Tearers army, however i dont really know much about Grey Knights, anyone gimme the basics of them

[VanHelsingX]

Space Marines (Ultramarines), Chaos Space Marines (Black Legion), Assasin (Vindicare), Imperial Guard (Last Chancers), Necrons

[Anthonace]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
i have been thinking about doing a Grey Knight army, that or finishin my Flesh Tearers army, however i dont really know much about Grey Knights, anyone gimme the basics of them

A purist grey knight army will exell at large light infantry armies because of its storm bolters and decent close combat skills
but it will be poor against tank laden armies
Grey knights will ALWAYS be outnumbered

[MetalMilitia]

Yes if you think you will be against a tank army especially IG Armoured Company, grey knights may not be rational. They dont have a lot to hurt tanks, and I've never seen a Grey Knight army beat a tank filled army.

[DarthFelth]

hmm, well i guess it has dreadnoughts and close combat :D

[corkill]

Blood Angels, Chaos (nurgle) and Eldar

[MetalMilitia]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
hmm, well i guess it has dreadnoughts and close combat :D

yep dreadnoughts are good, and you should bring a land raider in some circumstances but still an entire volly of storm bolters wont dent my Leman Russ, and the heavy support wont be around for long. :flamer: haha but no really they are a good army and I almost started them, and my friend has had relative success with them.

[DarthFelth]

hmm, i think my trouble is i keep starting armies and never finish them, i think my Khorne and space wolves are my only half finished armies...

[SoheilsX]

Originally posted by EnderWiggin
Um whats the easiest way to get rid of a Daemon hunters grandmaster with a phsycannon and holocaust?


run, just run, you have no chance if you are tau going into h2h with a grandmaster from Dh.

An inquisitor lord with his retinue would plow through tau like they were nothing but air, im serious, take a few squads of firewarriors, send them against the box set of inquisitor Coteaz Torquemeda. He'll rape you, no problem.

[panzerzombie]

I usually play Chaos marines but I've started to build an Imperial Guard army as well... gotta love all those vehicles =)

[Uzgah]

I play Tau. Got back into the whole 40k thing cos of FW. Loved the anime feel to their armour and battle suits.

I use a simple tactic of my drones and krrot go left/right, depending upon where the other guy setups his hvy guns. Get the kroot in cover ahead of 'em, take potshots. Get the drones to peek outa cover attempt to pin heavies, if fail get back into cover, if succeed get back into cover heheh

A commander in Battlesuit with a bodyguard of another 3 battle suits, all with plasma rifles and missle pods. Altho i coverted a new commander with twin-linked Pulse-cannon, useless in all respects apart from against a grot army but he looks cool =]

Then theres the crisis-Crisis team. 3 battelsuited guys, in seperate units, each with meltagun and flamer. Inf gets close, burn 'em and vape the survivors, vehicle gets close, vape 'em and burn the surviving crew. Then jet away before the retaliation. Good use of cover is really needed with these guys tho.

Then theres the FW squads, 3 that march up the centre blasting away. Once pulled level with the krrot, big assult. Scares the hellaoutta people. No-one expects tau to charge. fair doos they ain't good at it, but the panic it causes in the opponent is usually enough. I don't play to win, I play for fun obviously and the look on the others guys face. Use an army like its not meant to be used. You won't win alot granted, most people think you are a fool for doing it but seeing the faces keeps me doing it. I do need to find new opponents though, I've done the charge on most of the guys in my local GW. No-ones surprised any more =[

Although I think that I need some Heavy Support in there. Can't decide on either a broadside team (I think the models look a little.... unstable?) or a Hammerhead (With converted turret so i can choose which turret mount to take rather than being stuck with my first choice).



PS I recommend that any Tau player make their Crisis suits 'customisable'. Drill 2 small holes into the place where you wish to mount the guns, place 2 small holes in the same position on the guns, get some paperclips and make some small pins. Stick the pins into the guns and place some Blu-Tak into the receiving holes. Crisis teams that are now easy to modify depending on the army you are about to fight. Wish I'd thought of this before I built my first Crisis teams. So Marines take Plasma Rifles with melta guns (or twin linked plasma rifles) for grenskins pulse-crabines and flamers seems to work well... for the mobs at least...

[Wolfma[N]]

In order of which they were aqcuired:

Orks
Blood Angels
Death Company
Cadians

[CodyLamp]

Chaos Space marines and Orks only. Nothing else interestes me :D

[DarthFelth]

hey i must admit i perfer the old orks, just cos they had looked pretty silly man

[Wirlwind]

I play Chaos Iron Warriors and i might start an eldar force.

[Iron Warrior]

hey wirlwind how many points of iron warriors do you have and how many points do you use

thanks

[TS_ahriman]

In order:
Space Marines (Legion of the damned)
Some Eldar war walkers i wish i had never bought
Tyranids
Thousand Sons

[DarthFelth]

well Uzgah if your even english then i'll i wouldnt mind playing a wierd tau army ;)

[Uzgah]

Ah but darth, you now know my simple (crap) tactics and the surprise wouldn't be genuine. But otherwise, sure, I would play ya... and I am english.
Is my spelling so bad? lol

[DarthFelth]

no comment :p

[farsight]

Ulthwe Eldar (formerly Alaitoc pre-Eye of Terror--repaint)

Tau - Septworld undecided (loyal, not Farsight Enclave)

High Elves (Fantasy)

Former Blood Angels player - before I started to think that Marines were just way too powerful to be fair/an adequate challenge. I wanted to find out just what about other armies whipped their arses. Haven't found out yet, though.

[blue^shift]

blood for the blood god

hopefully berzerkers will make it into this game so at some point i can mod my models into this game? it'd be pretty fun to play with your actual army.

[DarthFelth]

yeah dude, it would be damnc cool to recreate my Berzeker army to crush people across the round with in the name of the blood god, i think its a good chance considering the blood thirster is making a appeareance so i would of thought and hoped that the guys who worship the blood god make a apperance ;)

[TS_ahriman]

Chaos is looking awfully khornate as of yet in DoW, so you may get your wish. Of course, I'm still holding out for a horde of overcosted automata...

[Imperial marine]

i don't collect im new 2 warhammer 40k

[darkrider]

im new but collect tau, orks, chaos marines, space marines and IG.

[Thandrim]

I play Guard these days. Ever since the Codexes let them hit the battlefield and NOT suck all the time. I've not played anything else in years. I was even happier when the latest codex came out, giving me back my Suicide Army of Death, all close combat!
:sam::bombface:

[Brendan.A]

I play thousand sons and wouldnt it be cool to have 1 type of special unit for each of the 4 gods in chaos.

:muffy:

______________________________________________
There is no courage only the will to save your life

[BirdyNumNum]

i'd like to start a death guard army, there just something so hilarious about the greater demon of nurgle that compels me to do so.

[ionfish]

I had a mate who had a Nurgle army, back in the 2nd Edition days; he used to win tournaments and stuff with it. They look great, too...

[veskit]

i have blood angels, deamonhunters, catachans, cadians and tau for 40'000, and skaven, vampire counts, tomb kings and empire for fantasy

[Brendan.A]

Ya tombkings rule but skeles hard to put together any tips?

[TS_ahriman]

Know what would just be awesome to see?...Noise Marines. Just to see the weapon effects up close and such. Plus they're pink. Who doesn't like pink bad guys with deadly surround sound?

[Anthonace]

Me

iron hands are the best though lots of bionics and a good coulour scheme

[Cortanus]

Got in a bit late, but meh. At the moment I play Salamanders, and it's the first army I've had since I started (about 10 years ago) that I really like using. I'm also building a small Eldar Pirate army (although they're DE, I'm going to represent an Eldar Pirate force (no Grotesques, Talos or Heamonculus) because I don't really like the fluff for "Dark Eldar") and soon an Iron Warriors army (hey, I like them...).

[DarthFelth]

hey dude, the eldar pirate army sounds pretty cool, you got a list for erm ;)

[Abaddon]

lets see ave got a iron warriors arm with a captured Thunderhawk(for display now want the new forge world bloodthirster and will make it a demon prince)

i have a small Deathwing army and a squad of the legion of the dammed marines although i don't know if i can use them can't seem to find any rules for them .

[DarthFelth]

i just had a look at the new bloodthirster OMG i want one, pitty about the price
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Chaos/Bloodthirster5.jpg

now that is damn sweet

[Cortanus]

Originally posted by DarthFelth
hey dude, the eldar pirate army sounds pretty cool, you got a list for erm ;)

Not yet, but it will be centered around warriors and mandrakes, with maybe some hellions.

[Daenyathos]

Originally posted by Abaddon
i have a small Deathwing army and a squad of the legion of the dammed marines although i don't know if i can use them can't seem to find any rules for them .

The rules for them are in the chapter approved compilation 2004, although how they could actually make them less brave than normal marines just leaves me in a zen-like state of confusion.

[DarthFelth]

because they were drunk when they wrote the rules for the deathwing army ;)

[EnderWiggin]

Wow 28 pages long lol SOOOO long I am god MUAHAHAHA!

[Marneus Calgar]

Wow, looks like a bit late for the party! Well, here's my contribution regardless.

I have 4 armies on the go at the moment, there used to be a 5th but it got wiped out in an unfortunate accident with a chest of drawers while moving house. :(

Army 1 - Ultramarines. Yeah, I'll get flamed for collecting them but I don't care! They are the 1st Army I ever started collecting (a bit old school, some dating back to not long after GW still did fantasy roleplay books - Power Behind the Throne anyone??) and I've had a soft spot for them ever since.

Army 2 - Craftworld Eldar. My Eldar are a craftworld of my own devising, the world itself has lost power and cannot move anymore. It is stuck in the shadow of a large planet and as such the Eldar there spend most of their time in darkness and have become expert night fighters. All my troops use variations on Dark Blue or Dark Grey colours with strongly contrasting colours to show which squad they belong to. For example my Fire Dragons Are a deep blue gradually blending to light blue edges round the armour plates (like a flame on a gas cooker), so there is a real stong theme to the army, but the aspect warriors still maintain a sense of their heritage.

Army 3 - Necrons. Not really an army as such yet, more a few squads of trops I've enjoyed being able to paint up really quickly. If any newbies to GW are looking for a quick and easy to paint force that kicks serious rump on the table top then this is a good place to start.

Army 4 - Chaos Cultists. Slightly unorthodox, and something I'm hoping GW will pay more attention to in the new edition of 40k which is out soon. A large collection of frenzied zealots who are badly equipt but just keep on coming!! :) For me these guys sum up what chaos should be all about. Forget the greater daemons, forget chaos marines - cultists represent the true evil of chaos, the fact that it turns mankind away from the guiding light of the emperor. It corrupts the minds of the weak and power hungry and whips them in to a frenzy where they will do anything to gain favour with their dark masters. Thats the power of chaos. ;)

Right, well thats my babble over. Feel free to flame me for collecting Ultramarines, but remember without their Primarch would there be any Marine chapters as we know them today? :)

[Anthonace]

no, but there would be fewer chapters with far superior numbers to the ones that exist in the current 40k

[Defunk203]

Good on ya Ultramarines were my first army too =) back when marneus was a squat little fella on a throne (power behind the throne, nice, somethings rotten in kislev? Oh yes =).)

Cheers

Defunk203

[Defunk203]

i just had a look at the new bloodthirster OMG i want one, pitty about the price

now that is damn sweet

Yeah it looks amazing. Is the scale off though? Seems to be about the same size as a 40k warhound.

[Sgt Black]

I play necrons and love it... :talk:

[Azmodai]

Chaos only!!!!!! Sorry im sorta demented I have a Khorne army a Thousand Sons army and a Word Bearer and Nurgle Army. My favorite is Khorne hopefull the game will have world Eaters but if they dont ill just make my own since its possible.

[Azmodai]

They have redone Bloodthirster so many times i really dont care anymore i just use the 2nd version which looks sorta like a dog.

[Barkarot]

well i have collected: Warzone: Bauhaus, Capitol Wh: Lizardmen, Dark elf`s wh40k: Imperial guard(not this edition), sm, Tau and finally the Terminators(necrons)

Should we now add armylist too? :D i have collected 3year. And btw i am maybe stupid but how i can add my own avatar not standard? I see now option to write url.

[DarthFelth]

yeah thats the bloodthirster i use mate, still the new forgeworld looks cool if even abit on the large size

[EnderWiggin]

Upty bumpty

[ionfish]

Don't bump old threads.