When is it alright to have more than 3 Heavy Support choices for your army?

[CanadianGaurd]

I got a 3 Navy aircraft, 3 leman russes, and a Basilisk, and I wanna use em all in one game. Anyone of you ever had games with this many heavies?

[Azhrarn]

That many heavy support choices probably requires that you field more than 1 "detachment" think of roughly a 1000 points of Guard per "detachment" each detachment basically has it's own armylist and so has 3 heavy support choices.
Or you could try fielding an armored battlegroup from "IMPERIAL ARMOUR VOLUME ONE - IMPERIAL GUARD & IMPERIAL NAVY"
(this monster is available at Forgeworld and costs a fortune, but you probably know that since you have imperial aircraft, most likely from Forgeworld.)
That is an all tank army, designed to be a way to field things like Baneblades and Shadowswords, but also a good way to field a lot of heavies in one game. It does require that your opponent has loads of points of his own as well (dûh) and a lot!!! of anti-tank hardware, not to mention anti-air for those aircraft of yours.

[CanadianGaurd]

Yes I have imperial armor vol 1 but never paid much attention to the Armored
Battlegroup list. But after reading that chapter I think I will take your suggestion and build a small armored detachment to put all my tank in with 1 HQ(one leman russ), 2 Elites(one demolisher, one chimera ), 2 Troops choice( two armores fists, and a leman russ) and one heavy support (basilisk). Then I'll put all my aircraft in my regular army and turn it into an Air Cav detachment! This might just work.

Double Post

Oh yeah, does the opposing player ALSO have to have another detatachment or could he just make sure the points cost of his one army matches the total of my 2 detachments?

[ionfish]

If you're playing with aircraft then it's going to be opponent's choice anyway, however you end up deciding to run things. My advice is to start being really nice to your friends, and then maybe they'll let you play with whatever arcane rules are necessary to take seven heavy support choices.

[Azhrarn]

The other player can use multiple detachments as well ofcourse, but if he can and wants to put all his points in 1 detachment it is his descision.

[Fang]

I believe they mention in the rulebook that it is 2000 points minimum per detachment. You get 3 heavy support for each detachment, so for 7 heavy support youd need roughly around 5000-6000 pts o guys, unless you use an imperial guard armored company where tanks are troops and whatnot then your good.

Also I think using imperial armor you dont need to request to use aircraft. You only need permission for super heavy tanks in light games, but you need to ask for permission in any tournament for that stuff.

[Volsung]

He is talking about an "Air Cav" detachment from the Imperial Armour book. I think it has it's own rules, but yes, you'll ned some sucking up to your friends so they'll let you use all that!

[NightBringer]

iron wariors can have 4 heavy support choices, but sac 2 fast attack to get it. and they can have bassalisks :P

[Kaela-M-Khaine]

you can only have 3 heavies unless you are, as stated, Armoured company, and the rule about 7 heavies or whatever in 5,000-6,000 game is untrue whoever claimed that...You would have to create another FOC *force organization chart* to use all of your heavies.

[-_Phoenix_-]

yeah, thats what hes saying. You need a minimum of 2000 pts for each FOC, so thats 5000 - 6000 pts for 3 FOCs and 9 HS slots.

[Kaela-M-Khaine]

ok thanx for informing me, i apologize.

[CanadianGaurd]

If I put all my tanks in an armoured battlegroup detachment, I'd only have the basilisk as a heavy support. One Leman Russ can become a command tank for an HQ Choice and up to 2 Leman Russes can become one troops choice. So i'll have one heavy in my Armored detachment and 3 heavy choices (my aircrafts) in my regular imperial guard detachment. Therefore I would only need 2 FOCs not 3.

Double Post

He is talking about an "Air Cav" detachment from the Imperial Armour book. I think it has it's own rules, but yes, you'll ned some sucking up to your friends so they'll let you use all that!

Two of them wanna gang up on me (eldar, and traitor guard). So I don't think there should be any trouble convincing both of them to go up against me and my 2 forces.

[Captain Zog]

Being as it is a friendly, just agree with your friends what you think is appropriate, the force organisation charts aren't ironclad, they are just guidelines for fairly balanced gaming, what you have come up with sounds fine