Land raider crusader

[Imperial marine]

can you use it if u got a SM army thats not black templars

[Cailet]

I think so but you have to find the rules somewhere. Imperial Armour vol 2 is coming soon with it and many other Marine vehicle variants.

[Sir Guppy]

yes of course, my ultra marine friend uses 1. i dont see why you would need Imperial Armour 2 rules for the crusader have been out in codex (correct me if im wrong) armagedon for a long time.

but....

black templars can have as many crusaders as they like in their army (usally limited to 3 becuase of force organisation)

other space marine chapters are always limited to one, altho having more than 1 is quite odd.

hope this helps.

[Cailet]

I haven't seen the Armaggedon 'dex for a while (maybe just not looking though).
Having more than one is silly.

[Sir Guppy]

o yeah tip. beware using it as a fire base, the ultra marines player tends to do this and it is tempting considering its armament, but as most of its fire power is only range 24 its wasted when used as a firebase, it is much better used for sticking a nasty CC sqaud inside then romping armour the enemy battle lines causing havoc. having more than 1 is a funny idea, 1 cos it means you can get quite close with alot of troops inside and cause serious havoc, silly becuase its madly expensive in money and points.

[mpjesse363]

Haveing more than one is not silly if they are used in the right way. you have to think of the lrc as a mobile bunker for your assaulty troops, this is how i use 2 in my army where points allow:

first lrc
squad of 7 termies all with 2 lightning claws led by a termie chaplin you can get 8 total termies in an lrc

second lrc
10 neophytes ( reg space marines) armed with chain sword and bolt pistol one upgraded to power fist and pistol.
5 initiates (scouts for those of you non bt players) armed with shotguns to add some fire to my cc squad


note: only bt may mix neophytes and initiates into a 15 man squad also bt's cannot take sniper initiates

split up your lrcs so that if one is lost to enemy fire the other may still have a chance.
assault directly from them as they are the only troop transport under the new rules for the sm army that you can still do this with. all troops assaulting from an lrc count as haveing frag grenades because the lrc has frag assault launchers mounted on the front.

if both lrc's survive enemy fire long enough to attack get them into assault range for your troops and dismount. this is your pincers movement.

if you have moved 6 inches or less unleash hell with every weapon mounted on those beautiful things.
if you moved max distance then hey you can still fire your hurricane bolters and those arent anything to laugh at

when your troops are out turning the other guy into hamburger use your lrc's for cover fire and trust me they are very good at this.

if you lose one or the other lrc dont fret because one side of a pincer can still put the bite on an enemy just use it to flank.

they are expensive both monitarily and points wise but imo are a very vital part of an assaulty force

just remember every tool has a job and place and the lrc is best used for points games over 1000 although i have pulled it off on an 800 point list (i got lucky and went aganst a newbie nids player) i usually use 2 in a 2000 point list and have found them invaluable.

::EDIT::
to answer the topic question any chapter may take one lrc but only the bt can take as many as they want (IAW force org chart)

[Deathwing]

As already mentioned: Every SM army can use one Land Raider Crusader. Only the Black Templars are allowed to have more than one. This "rule" is in the Armageddon Codex. I just read it after I bought my second Land Raider Crusader ( I'm a Dark Angels player...). But it isn't painted yet. Perhaps I start with a second army ( maybe Blood Ravens). Then I wouldn't have wasted money (for the Land Raider Crusader is more expensive than the normal Land Raider ).

[Sir Guppy]

well you could, just make it into a normal land raider, altho then you would have still wasted some money on the metal bits of a crusader.

[BrianGeneral]

Quote from GW Online Store:
"The Crusader variant of the Land Raider was developed by the Black Templars, to aid them in sieges. As news spread of its success other Space Marine Chapters requested information regarding the design. A Crusader takes up one Heavy Support choice and you may only include one in your army, unless you play using the Black Templars Codex list."

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

As already mentioned: Every SM army can use one Land Raider Crusader. Only the Black Templars are allowed to have more than one. This "rule" is in the Armageddon Codex. I just read it after I bought my second Land Raider Crusader ( I'm a Dark Angels player...). But it isn't painted yet. Perhaps I start with a second army ( maybe Blood Ravens). Then I wouldn't have wasted money (for the Land Raider Crusader is more expensive than the normal Land Raider ).
As a Dark Angels player who's yet to get around to buying his LRC you can just send it to me :cool:

[Imperial marine]

thanx i've got some SMs and im making a new chapter for myself firestorm

[Deathwing]

As a Dark Angels player who's yet to get around to buying his LRC you can just send it to me :cool:

I think I will keep it. Perhaps the new rules allow more than one LRC per army.
And if not, I'll start a second army in the future. If they get a good background, it may be Blood Ravens.

But thanks for the "offer" anyway.

[Sir Guppy]

lol. i dought they will let other armies take more than one. but what you could do is buy lke the helios upgraded from forge world and make one of those.

see www.forgeworld.com

hmm i seem to talk bout forgeworld a lot im practically advertising them. o well.

[Deathwing]

Forgeworld models are awesome. I'm thinking about getting a Thunderhawk Gunship one day. But right now, it is simply too expensive.

And if they notice, you advertise them, maybe they'll give you a discount...

[Sir Guppy]

lol i dought it, think im gonna buy a vulture tonight, give it 2 sets of multiple missile pods and its just like the nastiest infantry killing machine ever. i only have 4 complaints about forgeworld, 1 the models feature to much resin and it can take an age to remove it, expensive, resin is brittle and the valkarie i brought of them was really screwed the hull was in two parts and didnt fit properly, it was like stepped on the underside of the hull and the engies on top wouldnt fit on so i had to cut em down. really annoying. only actually meant to start with one complaint them but heh wot u gonna do?

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

I think I will keep it. Perhaps the new rules allow more than one LRC per army.
And if not, I'll start a second army in the future. If they get a good background, it may be Blood Ravens.

But thanks for the "offer" anyway.

:(

*wipes a tear away*

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