Dark angels

[MacBeth]

Ive seen that the dark angels have been talked about alot here,so if anyone here wants to talk about the dark angels.
and if anyone needs to know anything on the dark angels you can ask me,I know a good deal of info on the dark angels.

and to that deathwatch comic,what can any of you tell me on the dark angel character?

[bleedingbass]

Praise be to the Lion my brother. i dont actually play Dark Angels but i've made my own successor chapter. i posted info on it on another thread. and dont worry i do fight for caliban.

[MacBeth]

yes I have read it,I like it but did chaos attack the rock,I never saw anything on that. but I liked the story.

what can you tell us about your special characters?

[Lord Maugan Ra]

I'm not a Dark Angels player I just wanted to know what the difference between them and regular Space Marines

p.s. I like the color hahaha :Slap:

[bleedingbass]

ya chaos did attack the rock, or at least thats how they made it sound. the EoT website stated that the Dark Angels were busy fighting at the rock so thats why they didnt come to aid cadia. Now Creed has a grudge against the DAs for nt comming to cadias aid. plus creed orderd an investigation into the DA so it hinted at the fact that the DA's secrect my be in danger. as for my special characters i'll post some info on the other thread.

[Sir Guppy]

gah not this secret again. i really want to know the truth, ive heard 2 versions of the secret, the first that the dark angles are just trying to stop truth getting out about the fact that part of the chapter turned traitor.

two that the current dark angles are actually traitors and that Cyper and his fallen angles are actually still loyal to the emperor or sumthink along those lines. anyone got any info bout this?

[Abaddon]

ok from what i know from the index Astartes books the Dark Angels are loyal and are one of the most loyal chapters in the imperium. During the Horus Hersey the second in command of the chapter becam jealous because he got left behind during the Great crusade on caliban, Chaos saw a chance to corrupt the chapter and corrupted the ones left on the planet, When the Loyal DAs returned they weren't happy and to cut a long story short they blasted the planet and luthor and the Lion fought and the Primarch died(i think) and luthor and the rebel Dark Angels realized what they had done.

Many of them repented, others became pirates, went into hiding, only a few became true Chaos marines. The Dark angels believe that they cannot be forgiven until all the Fallen Da's are caught and have repented. As for cypher he i believe is a good guy, and is making his way to terra to either repent or something don't know what.

please feel free to fill in the gabs or correct if the fluff has been changed.

[bleedingbass]

both in a way are true. luther was corrupted by chaos and did turn traitor, but most of the marines with him did not. he had tricked them into thinking that the Lion had turned and so they were fighting who they thought were the traitors. at the end of the battle, the fallen had all been sweped away into the warp. some were eventually corrupted, but most found realised what they had done and wanted forgivness. Cypher my be the only person to bring them forgivness, but it has been a mystery as to how or if he even can. GW does this so we all stay on the edge of our seats. meanwhile all the dark angels who were loyal to the lion search for the fallen to give themselves a sense of loyalty. kinda ironic that both are trying to get forgiveness.

[Abaddon]

heres a question, is the Fallen armour black? because the Dark Angels changed it to green, i was just wondering if that was why.

Cheers for updating my info, why can't they release the fluff on the chapters in the codex's? must get out my copy of Angels of Death codex.

Oh yeah i want to have a Deathwing army but do they need to be all in Terminator armor?

[bleedingbass]

fallen armor is black because they are from pre-heresy DA, who had black armor, not green. i'm not sure why they changed it to green. as for a deathwing army all models must have terminator armor, and i think the only vehicles you can use are land raiders.

[Abaddon]

Thanks, time to put away the Iron Warriors and get out the angels once again, It was Dark Angels that got me into 40k, one of the best Chapters i have to say, although i think the Character models could do with a wee bit of an update when you compare them to the newer SM's models.

[MacBeth]

the fallen armor is black and so is there robes,I think the dark angels did it for their shame and to tell who's who,I mean say your all in black armor and your hunting the tratiors but you happen to throw a grenade into your friends hole and kill 5 of your brothers.

most of the fallen were tricked into fighting for chaos and their disgusted with themselves,and hate luther. most have become pirates and mercs,others have given up the way of the warrior and became another person in the crowd. very few have taken in chaos. I already put this in but I found this on cypher,no clue if this is made up but I thought you guys should have a look.
www.dakkadakka.com/cypher's_tale.htm
well I hope that helps a little.

[FerociousBeast]

that story is definitely made up. no GW fluff would outright say that Cypher is a good guy. Plus some of the details are incorrect.

It maybe be based on official fluff tho, I don't know.

[MacBeth]

well its a nice thought.

[FeloniousPunk]

gah not this secret again. i really want to know the truth, ive heard 2 versions of the secret, the first that the dark angles are just trying to stop truth getting out about the fact that part of the chapter turned traitor.

two that the current dark angles are actually traitors and that Cyper and his fallen angles are actually still loyal to the emperor or sumthink along those lines. anyone got any info bout this?

The first version of the secret you list is correct and you can verify it by reading the Dark Angels Codex and the Index Astartes Volume I. The second version is crap, it runs counter to official, published GW fluff, sounds like the sort of silly rumor-mongering you see in various places on the internet.

All the info you really need can you find the Dark Angels Codex. Other GW pubs just elaborate on that.

[Deathwing]

and to that deathwatch comic,what can any of you tell me on the dark angel character?

The Dark Angel character in the comic Deathwatch is a typical example for a Dark Angel. A dark and secret character.

It is mentioned, that he was the only one to survive a battle, called battle of the thousand.

After the battle he cried out his name and swore to never tell his name again until he dies.

Twice in this comic he is asked for his name, but he won't tell.

First time it was a civilian who was under the influence of the hive mind, just as he wanted to stab the Dark Angel with a knife. The Dark Angels flame thrower put an end to this.

Second time, he was asked by a traitor of the planetary government, who also stood under the influence of the hive mind.

This traitor managed to paralyze the Dark Angel and he even set him on fire with his own flame thrower. While he was covered with flames, the Dark Angel was asked for his name. That question enraged him so much that he managed to move again. The Dark Angel set the traitor on fire by grabbing him at the throat.

And even the eternal feud between the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels in mentioned. Both tell each other, that they have unfinished business, but that this will have to wait until their mission is over. They both are commanded to guard a certain point and they realize, that this was the best choice of their Sergeant, because they won't let it happen that one of them got hurt until they can fight each other.

I hope, that helps.

And by the way, great thread. I certainly will learn new things and points of view about the Dark Angels.

[FerociousBeast]

Cypher/Dark Angel Conspiracy Theory

I originally put this in the Eye of Terror thread, but this is a more natural place for it.

I just had an idea while reading posts about Cypher on this message board. Apparently Cypher commands great respect and devotion among the Fallen. Maybe the reason Cypher is so lucky and able to escape so much is that the Dark Angels let him. Knowing that the Fallen flock to his banner, capturing him becomes quite a harvest of Fallen, as most of the Fallen with him are captured as well. Then they let him escape so he can gather up some more, making their job much easier.

Just a thought/conspiracy theory ;)

[Drunk-Spleen]

i think that maybe cypher isnt actually real, it was just some idea that tzeench implanted within everyones head so that they would kill each other and khorne would be happy cause tzeench and khorne are really friends and just pretend to hate each other.

Just an idea

[Lord Maugan Ra]

Whats the difference between Dark Angels and Normal Space Marines???

[FeloniousPunk]

Whats the difference between Dark Angels and Normal Space Marines???

You can find it all in Codex: Dark Angels. :)

Pretty much the same, some slight differences in organization in the first two companies; the veteran company (Deathwing) is all termies, different color scheme, the second company (Ravenwing) is all bikes and speeders, also different color scheme.

Dark Angels chaplains (interrogator-chaplains) are a little different, their librarians have access to extra power, and all Dark Angels can be made stubborn. Oh, and Dark Angels tactical squads can substitute plasma cannons for lascannons at no additional charge. Those are the major differences.

[Lord Maugan Ra]

Thanks for the info :D

[MacBeth]

damnit now I want to read the comic.a dark angel with a flamer and a salamander with a heavy bolter? dont the salamanders use flamers like crazy?

so have any of the memebers in deathwatch die yet?if its the angel im goin to be a little annoyed.

I dont the dark angels would try something like that to get the fallen.

and to you dark angels,I have some dark angel art in the gallery,I have put in a new dark angel character I made up in my thread its called (some art) all the dark angels in there I made up,the first one was redone in the second page.

if you guys care I have some long fluff on the dark angel I made up,if you guys want to hear just ask.

[Dimension]

why don't you just link to that thread?

anyways, i was kinda surprised as well to see a salamander with HBolter while the DA got the flamer.

[MacBeth]

dont know how to link,
sad isnt it.

[Deathwing]

damnit now I want to read the comic.a dark angel with a flamer and a salamander with a heavy bolter? dont the salamanders use flamers like crazy?

so have any of the memebers in deathwatch die yet?if its the angel im goin to be a little annoyed.

The Marine of the Salamander chapter carries the HBolter with pride, because it was forged on his homeworld.

Maybe the Dark Angel got the Flamer, because if he had a Bolter/ Heavy Bolter, than he wouldn't have survived the traitors attack ( setting the Dark Angel on fire, just to get consumed by it when the DA grabbed his throat) By the way, the DA didn't simply grab his throat, he also broke his neck.

And to the question if members died, I can only say read the text under the spoiler, or buy the comic and read for yourself. I don't want to take the tension.

Yes, three members die during this mission.

The first one is the Marine of the Novamarines chapter. It happened, when the Deathwatch "visited" the governor. Nearly the whole staff of the governor was infiltrated by the 'nids. One of them wanted to assassinate the Deathwatch by detonating explosives on / in his body. The Novamarine registered the movement and jumped in front of the Staff member. So he took the whole explosion and died in honour.

The second one is the Techmarine of the Doom Eagles chapter. He died when the Deathwatch was on its way to the 'nids nest. The Deathwatch was nearly overwhelmed, but they could escape through a door, because the Techmarine initiated self-destruction. That gave the rest of the Deathwatch the chance to get out of that ambush. He died in honour.

The third one was the Salamanders Space Marine. He was seperated from the Kill Team and got infected with 'nid genes. His appearence changed. He mutated. When the 'nids were again ambushing the Kill Team, the Salamanders Marine was with them and he was recognized. The Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos talked to him and managed to reach his still human mind. The Salamanders Marine had no choice, but to kill himself. This happened before the'nids attacked this time. Until now, they had just surounded the Kill Team. So in my opinion, the Salamanders MArine regained his honour by killing himself before he would attack his brethren.

[MacBeth]

hmm... of all the the deathwatch who do you think was the coolest character.

and in the entire comic,are the wolf and angel always fighting? what can you tell me about the wolf?

and any other cool things the angel did.I think I should take a look at the comic.

[Deathwing]

You definitely should get the comic. It is a really good one.

Hmmm... about the Space Wolf, let's see:

I couldn't figure out to which company he belongs. On his shoulder pad there is the head of a Wolf. But frontsight, not the profile. It is framed by a ... don't know the word. I'll discribe it: A square, turned 45 degree.
The Wolf and the Dark Angel don't fight each other in the comic. Would probably annoy fans of either the one, or the other chapter.
The Sergeant of the Kill Team ( Ultramarines ) orders the Space Wolf (SW ) and the Dark Angel (DA) to hold a certain point. Both, SW and DA agree, that this was a good choice, because they won't let anything happen to the other, because they want to fight each other when the mission is over (eternal feud ). But they talk about this unsettled business a few times.
With them, there is a unit of the Planetary Defence Force ( PDF ). They get really scared after the first ambush on the position, but the SW tells them to fight, because what he would do with them if they refuse to.
After a while, the DA has to leave, because the SW and the DA realize, that they are monitored by a traitor.
Shortly after that, there is a second ambush and actually the PDF really begins to fight back, fearing the SW's fury.
The Dark Angel finds the place where the traitor monitors them and gets paralyzed and set on fire. When asked for his name, the DA manages to get a hand moving and kills the traitor.
When the Kill Team is ready to leave the planet via Thunderhawk Gunship, the DA still hasn't returned to the team. So the Deathwatch has to leave without him, because the 'nids go wild on the planet. At least they try.
A Magus enters the scene and the SW jumps down from the Thunderhawk to kill him. He wants to get the honour for the kill, because he seems to be robbed the chance to fight the DA.
The SW gets pinned to a wall by the really ugly mutated Magus. Just before the death blow, the DA shows up and kills the Magus by crushing his ugly head. After that, the DA and the SW stand side by side. Again their talking is about unfinished business.

Once in the comic, the DA calls the SW a savage. :bandit:

Hope this was a little help. If there is need for more, just ask.

In my opinion , the coolest character is the Dark Angel. He did the coolest things, as said above.

But also the other characters do cool stuff. I think it was a well decided combination of chapters for the Kill Team.

MacBeth: Can you tell more about the Dark Angel background?
I would like to know if there is another story about how the Dark Angels changed the colours of their Terminator armour. I mean besides the story in the novel Deathwing.
And about the thing with a link: Just go to the thread, copy the "adress" from the bar above ( don't know the english word for it ) and put it in the next post. :D Hope this helps.

[FeloniousPunk]

The story on how the Deathwing changed their colors is in the Codex.

[KingKupo]

didn't it have something to do with a group of terminators or were it knights who saved their planet from the 'nids?

[Deathwing]

That were Terminators. A single unit of Terminators managed to free their homeworld from the 'nids.This is the story in the book Deathwing.

And if I remember correct, this story is also the story in the Codex. Is that right?

[FeloniousPunk]

That were Terminators. A single unit of Terminators managed to free their homeworld from the 'nids.This is the story in the book Deathwing.

And if I remember correct, this story is also the story in the Codex. Is that right?

That's right. It's in the Index Astartes I too.

[MacBeth]

well like most of the fluff there isnt that much known,but this is what I heard,a singel squad of terminators went to caliban to get some marines for the crusade,but when they got there is was full genestealers and they went on there own crusade to free there home world,after the battle alot of the terminators died and for those who died the dark angels painted there armor from black to bone white to honour those men. its not much different from what alot of you guys know but meh....

is there anything else you need to know? if so just ask and ill try my best to tell you what happened.

and does the wolf have a name?

[GreatSamaman]

Yes, it was a single Terminator squad, and no, it was not the homeworld of Caliban they saved, it was a tribal world that the Deathwing personally recruit DA from. Also, as to why the Dark Angels changed their armour, this was not to tell themselves apart from the Fallen. The Lion actually ordered that all the DA change their armour to green while they were ON THEIR WAY to Caliban, before they even knew Luthor betrayed them. I believe his reason for this was to honour the evergreen forests of Caliban, because he loved Caliban so much. :D

[MacBeth]

it says in the codex that the deathwing saved there home world and in the index it says the same thing.

it says in the index that its unkown to why the dark angels changed the armor to green. where did you get the info that they changed the armor before luther betrayed them?

[Deathwing]

it says in the codex that the deathwing saved there home world and in the index it says the same thing.


I think the home world of this specific Terminator squad is meant, not the DA homeworld.

Seems impossible that it was Caliban, because Caliban got destroyed shortly after the Horus Heresy.

I'll have to post the name of the Space Wolf later. I have to look it up.

[MacBeth]

in the index it says that a lone deathwing squad freed a dark angel home world,and in the codex it says they changed there armor white to honour that squads memory for freeing there home world from a genestealer invaison.
but the dark angels armor was black pre heresy and so was the deathwings,but they changed it to bone white.

[Deathwing]

Hmmm... you 're right. I just checked my Index Astartes. Below the Termie drawing it is said that the colour was changed from BLACK to bone colour.

Kind of confusing.

Another thing. After the battle for Caliban ( the one in which it got destroyed ) the first Dark Angels who found Luthor formed the inner circle. Didn't the inner circle form the Deathwing? If it is this way, the world freed by the Terminators couldn't be Caliban.

Does anybody know when and why the Deathwing was founded? Or did they get that name after they freed their Home world and painted their armour in bone colour?

By the way, when was the Ravenwing formed? Was there also a special event?

[MacBeth]

the inner circle I think was what remained of the knights of the order,they formed the inner circle to make sure the shame was kept within the rock. and I think the raven and the deathwing were around before the heresy. the deathwing are the only ones outside of the inner circle who know of there secret shame. so everyone who isnt in the deathwing knows nothing of the past.

[Deathwing]

Good to know.

If I remember correct, only the master of the Ravenwing is member of the inner circle and knows about the past.

But why the Ravenwing and the Deathwing were founded is still in the dark. Do you have any information about that?

[MacBeth]

no I dont know when they were founded,but Im sure it was before the heresy,ill go ask around.

[Deathwing]

Thanks in advance.

I think I'll put up a better summary of the Deathwatch comic if you need one. Just let me know.

Perhaps even in a new thread.

This one here should only contain information about the first chapter founded. The Dark Angels * swelling with pride*

[MacBeth]

yeah I would like to learn more on the deathwatch comic.

[odmiller]

According to the short story in the book Deathwing, a company (not squad) arrived on the stone age home world they recruited from (not Caliban) and all the various tribes had been taken over and moved to one evil city by a genestrealer cult. It was 300 years since the last recruitment trip to the planet so a lot had changed.

At that point they decided to personally deal with the threat themselves (instead of calling for back up) because of the personal nature of the crime. They all painted their armor white in the tradition of the warrior of their ancestors who knew they would die in battle.

All 30 attacked the city and only 6 survived. All the Genestealers were killed and each of the six took a tribe of the survivors back to their ancestral lands, to reteach them how to be warriors and to rebuild their civilizations.

When the follow up mission to the planet arrived they were pretty pissed that they had not heard anything or had use of the terminator suits for years, but after hearing the story they agreed that the terminators had done the right thing in saving the ancestral recruiting planet. They collected the terminator suits, and agreed to keep all terminator suits white in the future in honor of the sacrifice.

I know the codex says it was one squad, and this could be read to cover the 6 that survived, but in the original published story it was 30 terminators including a Librarian (who died killing the Genestealer Primarch).

ODM

[orkdom]

id be willing to bet you don't know where the Lion is right now, unless im an idiot who needs to re-read the DA codex and it tells you there :banghead: :idea: :read: or you've read the book "eye of terror" :nana:

[Deathwing]

I've read the book, but that was some time in the past.

What exactly do you mean?

The single Dark Angel who stranded on a Chaos world?

[MacBeth]

yeah I found it kinda weird that caliban was taken over by a genestealer cult.

a genestealer primarch?
anyways Im still lookin for info on dark angels. I havent read the book deathwing.how many books are there?

[odmiller]

Deathwing is a long "short" story in the anthology called DeathWing. That is the only book I know of specifically featuring Dark Angels.

I have been away from the game for 8 years or so and just recently back (building my Dark Angels Army). Marriage, the army, jobs, and kids got in the way. Back then though the genestealers were their own army, not just part of the tyranids, and the lead creature, the dad of them all, was called a Primarch. As far as i can tell, that has all gone by the wayside as the Tyrands are the main true "creature" enemy now.

[GreatSamaman]

There is also the book Angels of Darkness by Gav Thorpe, all about the Fallen and the Lion and the DA's secret, and also has a little mischief by Cypher. :D Anyway, as to where I personally get all my DA info from, its from the website The Fortress of The Unforgiven (http://www.fortressofunforgiven.homestead.com/Home.html). It is the definitive home of all things Dark Angel. It details the entire history of the Dark Angels in the Apocrypha of Caliban (http://www.fortressofunforgiven.homestead.com/CH03_Ant_001.html)
It hasn't been deemed official or anything, as it has been rewritten in the author's own wording, but it is all made from facts, events, and accounts from GW publications only, so I'd say it's pretty authentic. Nonetheless, it is also VERY well written, and it also goes into a bit of the 40K universe, the birth of man, Slaanesh, the birth of the Emperor, the Heresy, everything, all at the beginning. It is truly a great read, and no Dark Angel fan/player should pass it up. :D

[odmiller]

Thanks for the heads up about that site. What an incredible resource!

[MacBeth]

yeah I have been there,its owned by a guy called shadow guard over at the bolter and chainsword.

[KingKupo]

Back then though the genestealers were their own army, not just part of the tyranids, and the lead creature, the dad of them all, was called a Primarch. As far as i can tell, that has all gone by the wayside as the Tyrands are the main true "creature" enemy now.


with some tinkering with the gaurd doctrines and a heckuvalot of imagination and fluff-knowledge, it's still possible to field a genestealer cult army. That's what i like about them, you can virtually represent anything with them.

[GreatSamaman]

Macbeth: Yes, I frequent the B&C, and SG is the man, hehe. Dark Angels rule. :D

[MacBeth]

yep SG knows pretty much everything,I should really give his site a real look. whats your nick at the bolter and chainsword?

about your little rant over at the other thread,what do you think there going to do to the dark angels?if they make the secret known and destroy the angels i'll give up 40k and never look again.

[orkdom]

I've read the book, but that was some time in the past.
What exactly do you mean?
The single Dark Angel who stranded on a Chaos world?

the primarch of the Dark Angels was placed in stasis in the utmost secrecy, by order of the emperor himself, b/c Lion is to play a huge role in the rebirth of the emperor as the star child when the golden throne breaks down for good. there are only three beings still alive who know of this, plus a possible fourth(cypher); they are the emperor, the Lion, and the god Tzeentch

[MacBeth]

the lion was taken by the watchers,and he's at the deepest part of the rock,only the watchers can get there.

why would Tzeentch care where the lion us?

[FerociousBeast]

the inner circle I think was what remained of the knights of the order,they formed the inner circle to make sure the shame was kept within the rock. and I think the raven and the deathwing were around before the heresy. the deathwing are the only ones outside of the inner circle who know of there secret shame. so everyone who isnt in the deathwing knows nothing of the past.

Um, not exactly. The Deathwing is the only group that knows the full story of Luthor and the Lion (well, the Deathwing, and the Deathwing equivalents of the DAs three other successors). The Inner Circle is a part of the Deathwing: the very highest level. So it's not quite accurate to say that the Deathwing are the only ones besides the Inner Circle to know the secret.

Plus, not even all of the Deathwing know the full story. The company is organised into tiers, with the lowest rung learning just a little bit of the truth all the way up to the Inner Circle which is the tier where DAs learn that Luthor is still alive and in the Rock's dungeons.

[MacBeth]

I dont think the inner circle is part of the deathwing the deathwing is for vets,the members of the inner circle are members of the deathwing. the inner circle is made up of chaplains,librarians,masters and grand masters. the leaders of the angels.

and alot of memebers of the inner circle dont know that luther is alive,its pretty much known by just the grandmasters and azrael.

[FerociousBeast]

Check the army lists for special characters. Everyone of them says like "Azrael is a member of the Deathwing and as such counts as stubborn". Plus the codex says that the Inner Circle is Deathwing too.

[bleedingbass]

MacBeth is correct in saying that the inner circle is'nt part of the deathwing. to be in the inner circle you must be one of the highest ranking members of the dark angels so for the most part they would also have become a veteran of the Deathwing before being part of the inner circle. members of the deathwing are told the truth of luther's betrayal, but arnt givin many details. as they increase in ranks among the deathwing they learn more and more until they reach the highest level in which they join the chapters inner circle.

[orkdom]

the lion was taken by the watchers,and he's at the deepest part of the rock,only the watchers can get there.

why would Tzeentch care where the lion us?

b/c tzeentch knows that he will play a key role in the emperors true ascension...you have to remember that tzeentch manipulates EVERYTHING to bring his "master plan" into motion. tzeentch knows what the emperors intentions are, and is simply keeping track of the events linked to it, so he knows when and how to take action to stop the emperor when (and if) the need arises. it is said that even he is not absolutely sure of what his plans will bring to the universe. he might even end up purposely helping the emperor out...

[MacBeth]

if the inner circle was part of the deathwing all of our characters would be in termintor armor. anyways look at the back of the codex,it shows a chart on where everyone is placed.

[FerociousBeast]

Read the 2nd edition Angels of Death codex. It says in the DA section that DAs only learn that part of their chapter betrayed the empire once they join the Deathwing. Therefore, if anyone wants to progress, they must make it to the Deathwing. And once in the Deathwing, they stay in the Deathwing. Everyone in the Inner Circle is in the Deathwing.

[Dimension]

just because the inner circle all had access to termi armour at one point of their career doesn't mean they keep it. most likely, they changed back into power armour so others can prove themselves, confident to survive despite doing so (and they might not actually do battle all that much themselves now). if i remember the fluff correctly, no marine is actually permanently assigned a suit of terminator armour, just trained for using it. only when the need for the suit arises will they actually wear it.

grey knights of course all have been trained to use terminator armour, but they'RE THE EXCEPTION: AT LEAST I#M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CHAPTER THAT TRAINS ALL MARINES FOR THOSE RARE SUITS OF ARMOUR:

[MacBeth]

the deathwing and the inner circle are different parts of the chapter,the inner circle members were part of the deatwing but moved onto the inner circle. there just members and doesant mean that the inner circle is part of it.

look at the back of the dark angel codex,it shows that the inner circle is one step above the deatwing,you have to be a member of the deathwing to be in the inner circle.

[Imperial marine]

Dark angels suck in my opinion

[MacBeth]

then why are you in here?

[FerociousBeast]

OK. The Inner Circle isn't technically part of the Deathwing, but for all intents and purposes, it is. To be considered for membership, a marine must first be a member of the Deathwing. But anyway, I guess you're just arguing on the nominal level and I am arguing on the practical.

To Dimension about Deathwing and Termies: The Deathwing company never fights as veteran assault troops, unlike most other first companies, but rather always fights in Terminator armor. Unless of course they are promoted from the rank and file of the Deathwing to a more specialised post (master, grand master, librarian, chaplain, some veteran sergeants).

[Angus]

Nice thread, I learned some things here. I'll really have to group everything about DA's, and put it online in french ... btw sorry about the mistakes I'll write.

Some of you said that the Lion was not dead, but I thought he dissapeared, and I read here that watchers took him to a secret place deep inside the Rock. Is this "true", or only some fanfiction ( a cool fanfiction, but ... ). ALso about Cypher, it's pleasant thinking he may not be so mean and evil as he seems to. But my roleplay part screams "BURN" anyway :oÞ

And just to add my point, Ravenwing Master is part of the Inner Circle, too ... And I doubt he ever was a terminator, or anything except scout, and biker


But that's the exception ;)

[FerociousBeast]

Whoa . . welcome back from the dead. About the Lion: he is really truly and fluffily alive. It says so in the 2nd Ed Angels of Death codex. Official GW publication.

[SGM_Azrael]

Whoa . . welcome back from the dead. About the Lion: he is really truly and fluffily alive. It says so in the 2nd Ed Angels of Death codex. Official GW publication.
Caught up with you at last FBeast! Quite right of course, for within The Rock is an inaccessible chamber where Lion El' Johnson sleeps in stasis, overseen by the Watchers in the Dark.
This link should be read in detail by all reading this thread. except myself and FerociousBeast, who know it by heart.

http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp/primarch_lion_eljonson.shtml

[exsulis]

If I remeber correctly in one of the older editions it states johnson is in the heart of Caliban. The current verson of the codex says even less.

[SGM_Azrael]

HEED THIS POST ALL!!!!

http://pages.zoom.co.uk/bogey/Files/DarkAngelsHistory.html
This is a copy of the background of the Angels of Death codex!
Those interested in the DAs should read it three times!
The exclamation marks! They have me!....

Edit: Here's other stuff from the same place.

[deathikins]

What's different about the DA you ask? I'll tell you: Not a damn thing. As of FAQ 4.1 we no longer offically have interrogator chaplains, grand masters, the deathwing can no longer mix'n'match squads, and plasma cannons are available to everyone in a tac squad. So what makes the DA unique now? Green armor.

[Sneaking Viper]

So true, DA has lost most (if not all) of their flavor, they are a stubborn, green coloured SM, that cant have Assasins, Inquisition or alien races as allies. :(

Well regarding to DW and Inner circle, true they are not the same, but they middle circle (if you can call it that), since they are the only ones that can be accepted into the knowledge of the inner circle.
And regarding Cyper... can anyone give me a reason why he always is painted in green armor?? didnt he defect BEFORE the heresy?

[[IG8]Kasrkin Sturnn]

i havent got a dark angels army but i wish i did now all i have are the ultramarines chapter. anyway i have that story of the dark angels chapter on my clan website coz my clans based on the dark angels but u can use any marine chapter u want really. :smash:

[vulcan raven]

another interesting facct is that mars's machine god is a c'tan called dragon