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101ST_Belial
4th Aug 04, 1:58 PM
DARK ANGELS LEGION HISTORY.




The Dark Angels were the very first Space Marine Legion. They were formed by the Emperor more than 10,000 years ago and where at the forefront of the Great Crusade that reunited the scattered outposts of humanity, and carved out the boundaries of the Imperium which have lasted almost unchanged to this day. They are regarded as the epitome of the dedicated Space Marine warrior: serious-minded, slow to anger, but tenacious and all but unstoppable in their zeal once aroused.

Almost uniquely amongst the Space Marine Chapters, the Dark Angels have no home world. Instead their base of operations is a huge space-borne fortress-monastery known simply as ‘the Rock’. Once an asteroid, the Rock has been mined and converted into a spacecraft of truly gargantuan proportions, dwarfing in size all other space-going vessels apart from the largest space hulks. The Rock travels slowly through the imperium, constantly changing course and heading, now appearing at one point, then vanishing only to reappear at a point hundreds of light years distant. Some say that the Rock cannot be controlled in the same way as other imperial craft and is moving randomly through the warp, while others argue that its course is determined at the whim or fancy of the Supreme Master of the Dark Angels.


The origins of the Dark Angels Legion are shrouded in mystery. There are no records of its beginnings or any mention of its part in the Emperor’s Great Crusade. Any reference in the Imperial histories of its deeds during the accursed times of the Hours Heresy has been deleted. But yet a legend persists that once the Dark Angels teetered on the brink of Chaos, that a terrible betrayal besmirched all of the legions feats of valour and left an enduring stain on the legions honour. Such is their shame that from that time on they have striven for absolution from the sins of millennia past.

The Dark Angels are now considered to be one of the greatest of all the Space Marine Chapters with their Deathwing Company being particularly revered. Only the highest ranking members of the Dark Angels Chapter know the terrible, shameful secret of what happened ten thousand years ago – a secret that drives the Dark Angels to search throughout time and space for the final conflict that will bring them redemption or damnation…



THE PRIMARCHS

To under stand what happened to the Dark Angels we must return to a time more than 10,000 years ago. To a time before there where any Space Marines: to the time when the Emperor created the Primarchs. To help him in his Great Crusade to reclaim the galaxy for humanity, the Emperor, in his wisdom, created the genetically-engineered superhuman Primarchs. The mutant genes used as the basic building blocks for these elite warriors had taken centuries to gather and refine, and despite the Emperor’s best efforts of psychic shielding, his industry did not go unnoticed by the Dark Gods of Chaos. Not having the resources to actually destroy the incubator capsules in which the embryonic Primarchs grew, the Chaos Powers combined their energies and instead stole them away from the Emperor, scattering the amniotic tanks and their foetal occupants throughout the warp.

The twenty incubation capsules drifted through the warp for decades or even centuries, until finally coming to rest on human-inhabited worlds throughout the galaxy. The capsule of one Primarch, he who was to become known as Lion El’Jonson, founder of the Dark Angels, was dropped on an isolated planet on the northern fringe of the Eye of Terror – the death world of Caliban.


CALIBAN

Caliban was as cruel and harsh an environment as any in the galaxy. In the bleak forests that covered the globe lived creatures that had been warped by Chaos, and which were of such ferocity that mere day-to-day survival was a constant struggle. The human inhabitants of Caliban were forced to live in huge fortresses and castles, located in clearings hacked from the forests of the planet. Cut off from Earth by the warp storms that had savaged the galaxy in the Age of Strife, civilisation on Caliban devolved back into a semi-feudal stat, with most of the population ruled over by a small warrior elite.

The nobles’ life was one of constant struggle as they fought against the multitude of chaotic creatures that threatened to overrun their small settlements. Sometimes a particularly fearsome creature would stay in one area and terrorise it, in which case the ruler of the community would declare a quest against the monster, and nobles from all around would come to attempt to kill the beast. Slaying a quest-creature could bring honour and fortune for the noble lucky enough to kill it – more often than not though it brought only bloody and horrific death at the teeth and talons of a hell-spawned abomination.

THE YOUNG LION

Such then was the planet where the young Primarch’s capsule crash-landed. Most of the other Primarchs were fortunate enough to be found and raised by the local human inhabitants of the planet they landed on. Such was no to be Jonson’s fate, for his capsule landed in a remote and isolated region of Caliban many miles from the nearest human settlement. How Jonson survived those early years on Caliban is a complete mystery. By rights he should have died within the first few minutes he was exposed on the planet. But Jonson did not die, somehow, as a young child on one of the most deadly death worlds in the Imperium he not only survived, but grew strong and tall. What it was like for him in those grim and dark days no-one can say, for there was no-one there to record the events of his life, and Jonson never spoke of those times himself. All that can be said for certain is that for a decade Jonson was forced to trust to his own wit and skill in order to survive. He had no-one to aid him; he could rely only on himself. And so it was, in this state, that at the turn of the decade since his arrival on the planet, the Primarch encountered his first humans.


THE ORDER

The brave warrior knights he encountered belonged to a group known simply as the Order. The Order had a reputation across all of Caliban for the honesty, nobility and fearless skill of its brother-knights in battle. Uniquely amongst the knights of Caliban, the members, or brothers, of the Order were selected by merit rather than inheritance. Anyone could join the Order, no matter how low-born they might be. Contingents of brother-knights from the Order travelled across the planet, giving their aid wherever it was needed.

It was while on one of there great expeditions that a band from the order came upon the wild man that lived in the forest. Thinking him a monster, the knights were ready to kill the Primarch when one of their number, sensing that there was something more to the creature than was at first apparent, halted his fellows, Luther, for such was the name of the Primarch’s saviour, and the other knights returned to civilisation, taking with them the man born of the forest.

Because of his appearance and the place of his discovery, the Order gave the wild man the name of Lion El’Jonson, which meant ‘The Lion, Son of the forest’. Jonson easily adapted to the ways of humans, learning to speak remarkably quickly. But of his time growing up in the forest he never spoke.

Over the following years Jonson and Luther rose through the ranks of the Order. Their exploits became the stuff of legend on Caliban, and the reputation of the Order rose accordingly. The number of young warriors wishing to join the order grew and grew, so that in time many new fortress monasteries had to be built. As the Order grew in size Jonson and Luther argued for a crusade against the monsters that infested the forests, to cleanse the planet once and for all of their foul presence. The oratory of Luther convinced the Grand Masters of the monasteries and most of the nobles of the planet to join in the crusade, but it was Jonson’s supreme ability at planning and organisation which ensured that within the course of a single decade the entire planet of Caliban was cleared of the monstrous creatures that had once inhabited it. A golden age dawned for the inhabitants of the once troubled planet.

In recognition of his triumph against the creatures of chaos Lion El’Jonson was proclaimed new Supreme Master of the Order and Caliban. Although Luther did not openly begrudge Jonson the great honour he had won, he would have not been human if he did not feel some twinge of jealousy. Thus was lit the first small spark that would lead to the schism which would tear the Dark Angels Legion apart. But all this was in the future – for the present the people of Caliban enjoyed a time of peace and plenty.

THE EMPEROR REACHES CALIBAN

Meanwhile, unbeknown to Jonson and the people of Caliban the Emperor was waging his great crusade across the galaxy, reuniting humanity and purging entire star systems of their alien oppressors. As the Imperium’s wave of conquest advanced across the galaxy, Imperial Scouts rediscovered the isolated world of Caliban.

It was not long before the Emperor was at last reunited with the Primarch and was filled with joy as would a father on finding his lost son. The Emperor’s first action was to give Lion El’Jonson control of the Dark Angels Legion. This body of Space Marines had been created by the Emperor from its Primarch’s gene-stock and had fought alongside the other Imperial forces as the Great Crusade was waged across the galaxy.

Caliban was made the home world of the Dark Angels and the whole of the Order moved to join its ranks. Those knights who were still young enough had the Legion’s gene-seed implanted within them, while those too old for this process underwent surgery to transform them into elite warriors of the Imperium. The first to be brought into the Legion in this way was Luther, who became Jonson’s second-in-command, just as he always had been within the Order.

The Great Crusade of course had to go on: there were countless human worlds that were still under the influence of chaos or suppressed by the harsh rule of alien races. So it was that Jonson and many of the Dark Angels set out with the Emperor to continue the battle for humanity and Luther was left behind in charge of the remainder of the legion on Caliban. Despite the importance of Luther’s position, it was not the one that suited his ambitious personality.

As Jonson’s fame spread throughout the galaxy and reports of his great deeds and prowess in battle reached the Legion’s home world, Luther felt robbed of his share of the glory. He wanted the fame and recognition that he felt he deserved as Jonson’s equal. His role as planetary governor of some half-forgotten backwater world seemed more and more to him like an insult. The seed of jealousy and dissension that had been planted within Luther when Jonson was made the Supreme Master of the order now began to grow and rankle within his heart as the Primarch became more and more celebrated and famous.

THE LION AND THE WOLF

After the Emperor had found his lost sons he set about reuniting the many kingdoms of Men. The Emperor’s Legions raced outward bringing the true faith to those who would listen and death to those who would not. Mighty wars raged: for there were many in those days who doubted the Emperor’s word and turned their faces from his light. Some were honourable men, merely misguided. Some were tyrants and traitors greedy to retain there powers. And some listened to the whispered promises of daemons and raised their war banners against all humanity. The Space Marines fought an endless succession of foes and were undismayed, for they were mighty and their leaders were invincible.

The war was fought not only against renegade men but against Orks and Eldar and other beings too terrible to be named. It was a time when a man could win glory and respect in the sight of the Emperor. It was a time of darkness, of terrible massacres and noble deeds. But it was also a time of hope: for the living Emperor walked among men, and he brought the promise of a stable and peaceful empire and freedom from the tyrants of the dark powers and their servants.

In this savage and noble age the Primarchs walked the worlds like mortal gods. In those days, before the Fall, Horus was the Emperor’s favoured son and the Lord of Humanity had every reason to be proud of him. He led the forces of mankind to victory after victory. Noble he was and proud, respected and trusted by all. For he was the bravest of the brave and the mightiest of the mighty. His words were well-spoken and his opinions always reasoned and fair. His promises were always kept and his threats always enacted. He had never been beaten in battle.

Hours was always first among the Primarchs but there were others of near equal renown: Jaghatai Khan of the White Scars, cunning master of the lightning raid. Eagle-winged Sanguinius of the Blood Angels: with a keen eye and pure heart. Leman Russ of the Space Wolves: impetuous, fierce and bold. And of course there was taciturn Lion El’Jonson, whose silence concealed a deep wisdom. The Primarchs were a band of brothers, and as with all brothers there was a certain rivalry, as they vied for the glory and the attention of the Emperor. And as with many brothers there were bonds of kinship but there was also animosity. Sometimes feuds sprung up. The most famous and enduring of these was the one between Russ and Jonson.

It is said that the two men disliked each other on sight, when they first met in the great marble chamber in the Emperor’s Hall on Old Earth. Russ thought Jonson too aloof and disdainful, Jonson believed Russ to be boastful and coarse. It is said that the two barely exchanged a word in the whole time they where on Terra, but then Jonson rarely spoke and only Russ took this personally.

If Jonson was quiet he was also brave and a mighty leader of men. During the great Crusade only he and Horus achieved a greater tally of victories than Russ. Russ, ever concerned with his honour and good name, and ever keen to tell the noble saga of his deeds, found this exasperating. Matters came to a head on the world of Dulan when the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves were set to assault the Crimson Fortress of the tyrant Durath. Durath had personally insulted the Emperor and had ritually sacrificed ten thousand believers to his patron daemon in order to assure his victory. Both Primarchs were keen to claim his head.

Russ, ever headstrong, felt that he should lead the assault. Durath had claimed that Russ was the Emperor’s puppy and that he would feed Russ’s heart to his pet grox. The Lord of Fenris was enraged and determined to wipe the out this stain on his honour. He swore a mighty oath that he would personally slay Durath and cut out his heart. So angry was he that he ordered Jonson to stand down and let the Space Wolves attack the Crimson Fortress headlong. Jonson, who had spent days laying planes for his assault, and who had personally scouted out all its weak points, ignored this command and began the assault. The Dark Angels stormed the mighty citadel and Jonson killed Durath in single combat, on the keep’s walls. Russ, caught in the swirling melee at the foot of the battlements, could only look on and howl with frustrated rage.

So great was his anger that when the battle was over and Jonson sat in triumph within Durath’s hall, Russ walked up and struck the Dark Angel. Jonson rose to his feet and stuck back. A space was cleared in the great hall and the two Primarchs wrestled back and forth while there assembled men watched and shouted encouragement. For a day and a night they fought back and forth, each perfectly matched in superhuman strength and speed. Russ was slightly stronger but Jonson was slightly quicker and so the two were well balanced.

Both had been schooled in hand-to-hand by the Emperor and by Warmaster Horus. Each knew every trick and feint. The fight rolled on out of the Hall and across the battlements. After a full day passed they eyed each other wearily over the shattered ruins of Durath’s Fortress. Russ, quick to rage but quicker to mirth, saw the funny side of what had happened and began to laugh. As far as he was concerned the fight was over: both men had taken each other’s measure, and honour was satisfied.

Jonson was not amused; he was slow to anger and slower to forgive and Russ’s first blow he saw as treacherous. As Russ laughed Jonson walked up and struck him unconscious. The prone form of Russ was carried from the fortress by his men while the Dark Angels looked on and jeered. Now Jonson considered honour satisfied.

When Russ awoke the Dark Angels were gone, summoned by the Emperor to take part in the Alisore campaign. Russ swore that he would have vengeance on Jonson for his low blow. Thus began a feud that was to last for centuries. To this day when Space Wolves meet Dark Angels one of their number is called upon to re-enact this ancient duel with one of Jonson’s sons, in order that the honour of both chapters may be satisfied.

THE FALL OF CALIBAN

Then came the terrible days of the Horus Heresy. As the Emperor fought Warmaster Horus for the possession of the Erath, Lion El Jonson was far away fighting for humanity alongside Leman Russ. Hearing of the potentially disastrous proceedings taking place around Earth, the two generals hurried back as quickly as they could. Coming into Earth’s orbit they realized they had arrived too late. Events had already taken their terrible course and the cataclysmic final battle was over. The forces of Chaos had been defeated, but they had left the Imperium in ruins. And for Jonson one final, shattering betrayal remained to be discovered on his return to his home world of Caliban.

It had been many long years since Jonson had been to Caliban, and he longed to see his home world once more. As the unsuspecting ships of Jonson’s fleet moved into orbit they were met by a devastating barrage of defence laser fire. Ships exploded into flame and crashed to the surface like monstrous comets. Stunned by the attack Jonson withdrew and attempted to find out what had happened.

A captured merchant ship soon provided the answer: Luther had used this skills at oratory to lead the Dark Angels under his command to the path of chaos, instilling his own feelings of jealousy and rage in the Dark Angels who had been left on Caliban during the Great Crusade. Luther had convinced them that they had been shamed, that the Emperor had turned his face from them.

While Jonson and those Space Marines who had gone with him battled for humanity light years away, Luther’s feelings of anger and jealousy had grown within him like a corrupting canker until they were his only purpose and driving motivation. Luther was now a man obsessed, whose own neuroses had pushed him over the edge and made him dangerous beyond imagining.

The fury of Jonson and the Loyal Dark Angels at learning this horrible information knew no bounds. They had fought from one end of the galaxy to the other and thought that the curse of chaos had been cleansed from the planets of the imperium, and now they found that there own home world, and there own brethren, had been corrupted and turned against them. Jonson Immediately ordered an assault on the planet. The massed guns of the fleet easily disabled Caliban’s defence laser batteries and then scoured the planet, driving the rebel Dark Angels back to their Fortress monasteries.

Knowing that one surgical strike was all that was needed to end the conflict Lion El’Jonson le an assault on the greatest of the monasteries him self. He knew that this is here he would find Luther: and so it was there the two former friends, now mortal enemies, faced each other. Even though the Primarch possessed superhuman powers, the two opponents were equally matched, for Luther’s own, already considerable abilities, had been enhanced by the dark gods of Chaos.

What followed was a fight of titanic proportions during which the two equally-matched adversaries laid blow for blow against each other, tearing down the monastery around them until the whole massive edifice had been levelled
By there battle. Meanwhile the masses guns of the fleet carried on pounding the planet, reducing the other fortress monasteries to rubble. The very surface of Caliban began to crack and heave under the strain of the Bombardment.

As the planet itself started to break apart, the battle between Jonson and Luther reached its climax. Luther weakened by the long combat, staggered and fell, leaving himself open to a death blow from Jonson’s power sword. But Jonson could not bring himself to strike the fatal blow. As he hesitated, Luther, aided by the powers of Chaos, unleashed a furious psychic attack that knocked Jonson to his knees and left him mortally wounded. But as the dying Primarch Struggled to stand, his noble features wracked with pain, it was as if a curtain was lifted fro Luther’s eyes and he realised the full extent of what he had done. His was a triple betrayal: of his friend, of the Dark Angels, and of the Emperor. The truth shattered his sanity and he slumped down beside Jonson, no longer willing to fight.

Luther’s psychic cry of pain and despair echoed through the warp and the Chaos gods realised that, once again, they had been defeated. They lashed out in fury and frustration. A rent appeared in the very fabric of space and a warp storm of unprecedented fury engulfed Caliban. In an uncontrollable, swirling flood of psychic energy the warp rushed in to the physical universe. Those ‘fallen’ Dark Angels who had served under Luther and his clandestine masters were sucked from the face of Caliban in to the warp and scattered throughout space and time. Caliban, already weakened by the loyal Dark Angels bombardment, was ripped apart and destroyed, the debris being sucked into the warp.

The only part of the planet that survived the storm was the huge fortress monastery where Jonson and Luther had fought. Protected by force fields of awesome power, the monastery and a huge chunk of bed-rock of Caliban held together. When the storm abated this was all that was left of the once magnificent home world of the Dark Angels.

The dark Angels flew down to the surface of the rock and gazed about them in horror at all that remained of their once beautiful home world. The great fortress had been razed to the ground and all the living things that that once teemed across the face of Caliban only one remained. At the hart of the ruined wasteland the Space Marines found Luther. The warriors were unable to get anything coherent out of the shell of a man who had once been Jonson closest friend. And second-in-command. Luther just constantly repeated the same words over and over again: the Primarch had been carried away by the Watchers in the Dark and one day he would return to forgive Luther for the terrible sins he had committed. Of the mighty Primarch, Lion El’Jonson, there was no sign.

THE ROCK

Following the destruction of Caliban, the Dark Angels made the rock there new home, drilling out a huge network of rooms and halls in the bedrock under their ruined fortress monastery. In time engines were added, allowing the rock to travel through out the warp as the Chapter continued on its secret mission across the galaxy.

Beneath the shattered ruins of the order’s great fortress monastery, the Rock hides many dark secrets. The further anyone gets inside it, the closer they come to the truth. At the very hart of the gargantuan Rock, is the deepest, darkest and dankest dungeon. There, kept alive for ten thousand years inside a stasis field, languishes the broken man that was once Luther.

Because of his link o the warp, during rear moments of lucidity, the Dark Angels are able to use Luther as an oracle. Each Supreme Master in his turn has tried to get the arch-heretic to repent but none has ever been able to get through to him: Luther just continues to rant and rave saying that he does not need to repent because one day Lion El’Jonson will return and forgive him.

The Rock itself dose not stay in any one place for very long, at most only a few generations. As a result the Dark Angels do not recruit from any one planet. It’s for this reason the order needs strict levels of admission and rigorous tests of loyalty. The masters of the order have to make sure that all who come to the chapter become true Dark Angels. As member of the order come from such mixed variety of backgrounds, the Dark Angels rely on their heritage for their sense of camaraderie. Once a prospective Space Marine has passed through all the appropriate levels, only then can he be considered a true Dark Angel. For then he will be driven by the same shame and secret purpose that has driven all Dark Angels since the death of Caliban: to hunt out every last one of the Fallen and reclaim the honour of the Chapter.

THE CHAPTER TODAY

This story of treachery and betrayal is the Dark Angels secret shame. None know of it other than the Dark Angels, there Successor Chapters and, maybe, the Emperor on his Golden Throne. Even with in the Chapter itself very few Brother-Marines know exactly what happened during those fateful days.

THE FINAL SECRET

The only people who know about the disastrous events that took place on Caliban all those millennia ago are the Emperor and the Dark Angels themselves, The Dark Angels will never reveal the truth to anyone out side of the Chapter, for they could not bear others to know the truth of their terrible shame. And all the while, deep within his cell, Luther, the betrayer, speaks of what is yet to com. Yet even the highest ranking of the dark Angels do not know everything, although they may think they do.

Buried even deeper within the Rock, is the final, greatest secret of the Chapter. Only one person in the entire universe knows the truth – the Emperor himself. For hidden inside a secluded, unreachable chamber at the hart of once what was called the planet Caliban, Lion El’Jonson lies sleeping, waiting with the Watchers in the Dark for the time when he will be needed once again to defend the Imperium against its enemies.

Thalasion
4th Aug 04, 2:27 PM
And the point to this thread is?

101ST_Belial
4th Aug 04, 3:15 PM
To give people back story to the Dark Angels.


And the point to your post was?

Thalasion
4th Aug 04, 3:26 PM
If people wanted backstory they'd ask for it, and why dark angels not something else, say world eaters.

Di$array
4th Aug 04, 3:54 PM
cheers Belial for that history lesson about the dark angels as they are very secreative and dark about there pass and not much info is out there about them. and there was a few things i didn't know in there ;)

The Collector
4th Aug 04, 5:07 PM
no offense, but I think critical hit has this one. But still, not everyone knows to go there. The World Eaters might not be popular enough to go on critical hit, but they are in index astartes somewhere. I'd have to go find it.

FerociousBeast
4th Aug 04, 8:50 PM
If you want good fluff, buy your army's second edition codex. This thread comes straight from the Angels of Death Codex from Second Edition. When I start a new army, I first buy the 3rd ed codex (soon the 4th . . ) and then buy the 2nd ed codex. The 2nd eds are much more fluffy.

101ST_Belial
5th Aug 04, 3:42 AM
no offense, but I think critical hit has this one. But still, not everyone knows to go there. The World Eaters might not be popular enough to go on critical hit, but they are in index astartes somewhere. I'd have to go find it.


Sadlie I know not much about the world eaters.

Only that Khan was dead long before hores died. Then when the world eaters took Khan's body back to there ship he was alive again.

The resion he is called the betrayor, is the world eaters where fighting on a demon world against the emperors children, as Korn and Slenesh don't really like each other, but then Korn don't like Tezench much eather, the plant was entering the night. and on the planet the tempretur so much that it could even kill a marine. As both sides sort shelter, Khan grew fureus that his fellow world eaters would not fight. He began to attack all who wold not fight. as a result not even his own legion want to fight along side him.

Deathwing
5th Aug 04, 4:01 AM
Good summary. I know it's from the Index Astartes, but anyway.

Thanks for putting this up.

@Thalasion:

This section is about Backstory & Fluff. So it is the right place to put on a thread like that. As already said, not everyone knows about critical hit.
If you want a thread on World Eaters, why don't you make one?

Thalasion
5th Aug 04, 5:08 AM
When i said world eaters it wasnt because i realy want to know about the world eaters, i was just using them as an example, i was just saying why dark angels not something else. And yes your right this IS backstory and fluff but i just thought it was kinda strange starting a thread and listing off the whole history of a random faction.

101ST_Belial
5th Aug 04, 8:35 AM
When i said world eaters it wasnt because i realy want to know about the world eaters, i was just using them as an example, i was just saying why dark angels not something else. And yes your right this IS backstory and fluff but i just thought it was kinda strange starting a thread and listing off the whole history of a random faction.


I'm a Dark Angels nut ok? And I felt like ranting on. Would you have said the same thing about anyother marine chapter? I think you would as it would just be the same thing.

TheKito
5th Aug 04, 9:16 AM
If you want good fluff, buy your army's second edition codex. This thread comes straight from the Angels of Death Codex from Second Edition. When I start a new army, I first buy the 3rd ed codex (soon the 4th . . ) and then buy the 2nd ed codex. The 2nd eds are much more fluffy.

Look for a copy of the original Rogue Trader. That is fluff paradise... unfortunately the fluff is outdated. Still the best book for 40K fluff though. Haven't seen Imperial Guard Beastmen since Rogue Trader for example.

Reabe
9th Aug 04, 2:17 PM
The "Shame" of the Dark Angels, their secret, is that they turned up late for the Seige of Terra. Them, being the FIRST of the first founding chapters, should of been there out in force and their premarch should of been on horus' ship when he was killed. But the Imperial fists (?) and the Blood Angles got all the glory. They're angry/ashamed becuase of that. That or that some of them wear skirts.

Coey
9th Aug 04, 2:45 PM
There ROBES not SKIRTS! I'm a Space Wolf player myself, so Russ would smite me for saying that, but the amount of times someone has said that really annoys me. Even if you were being sarcastic.

Anomalie
9th Aug 04, 3:38 PM
I thought their secret was that many had gone chaos, but where mostly killed 'cept for a handfull, but one of them, cypher (I think), has the sword of the DA primarch ?

Sarcastic Jedi
9th Aug 04, 4:02 PM
that is the secret, personally I thought it was something more...surprising

chocolate
9th Aug 04, 6:08 PM
Nope not really. I was also somewhat dissapointed when, after hearing many mysterious things about the Dark Angles (I didn't spell that right...) I learned their secret. Lion El'Johnson still being alive was new to me though.

Magonis
9th Aug 04, 10:50 PM
dose anyone have a background story to cypher like how he attained the lions sword and etc and who he was before he siding with chaos and from a few chaos novels iron warriors and the dark angels one cant recall whats its called it seems like abbadon is haveing sevral chaos groups grabbing up gene seed

101ST_Belial
10th Aug 04, 4:36 AM
The shame of the Dark Angels IS that half of them turned to Chaos. Not that the where too late to Terra.

There is no real info On Cypher. I'm guessing he was Luthers second in command. and when he witnessed what happend between Luther and Jonson, He also had a reality check, and is on his way to the Emperor.

KingKupo
10th Aug 04, 5:29 AM
there is no backstory behind Cypher. in WD 281 they had a article about him but they just wrote about how the fallen angels came to be and the default theory of him trying to seek redemption for the dark angels. there really isn't anything about him except for the few quotes of people who he fought with or are talking about him. Before the EoT he operated under a cover called the voice of the emperor, seemingly trying to destabilize the sector but in the end strengthening their faith.

it isn' known wether Cypher is good or bad. He seems to pop up once in a while with the usual entourage of fallen angels and help the people there(he can be used in a Ig army to represent this). This ticks the DA off and once they began executing people for not telling anything about him(if they told them about him, they would let them off the hook).

FerociousBeast
10th Aug 04, 6:08 AM
The "Shame" of the Dark Angels, their secret, is that they turned up late for the Seige of Terra. Them, being the FIRST of the first founding chapters, should of been there out in force and their premarch should of been on horus' ship when he was killed. But the Imperial fists (?) and the Blood Angles got all the glory. They're angry/ashamed becuase of that. That or that some of them wear skirts.

ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG

The Dark Angels and Space Wolves were too far away to help out at Earth when Horus made his surprise attack. However, they immediately turned back, and in fact, it was their coming that forced the Traitor Legions to retreat. Otherwise, they may just have won. But when Abaddon saw that two more reinforcement legions were on the way, he realized that Horus's gambit had failed.

The Dark Angels' shame is that a significant percentage of their brother marines turned to Chaos. Nothing more, nothing less. Seriously, Reabe, everyone knows this.

Mauler
12th Aug 04, 4:59 AM
Why the debate?

LOL Fluff = 100%

Baron Seydlitz
12th Aug 04, 6:48 AM
That made a good read Belial thanks ;)

Exetus
12th Aug 04, 7:18 AM
Funny thing is, Cypher can lead a loyalist Imgerial Guard army... talk about someone with an identity crisis...

Reabe
12th Aug 04, 8:51 AM
ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG

The Dark Angels and Space Wolves were too far away to help out at Earth when Horus made his surprise attack. However, they immediately turned back, and in fact, it was their coming that forced the Traitor Legions to retreat. Otherwise, they may just have won. But when Abaddon saw that two more reinforcement legions were on the way, he realized that Horus's gambit had failed.

The Dark Angels' shame is that a significant percentage of their brother marines turned to Chaos. Nothing more, nothing less. Seriously, Reabe, everyone knows this.

Oh. Riiight. Everyone knows this. I don't. Since I'm a newbie, and I don't have the rule book (I'm waiting for the 4th edtion one to come out). Also, do tribes in south amirica know this? Or people who don't give a damn about the game? But Dark angels should be ashamed for wearing dresses. And they did turn up KINDA late. I mean, after the wounding of the emperor would be kinda considered late, right?

Magonis
12th Aug 04, 10:43 AM
what u keep calling dresses ar actuly robes that monks would wear since u know all sm chapters are fanatics to there primachs and to the emperor

Coey
12th Aug 04, 11:40 AM
Space Wolves are only loyal to the Emperor becuase Russ told 'em too. And they don't exactly act like monks.

Magonis
12th Aug 04, 11:59 AM
it really depends on what they were taught but the space wolfs are fanatics none the less its just that dark angels wear robes dont black templar wear something simuler

Civik
12th Aug 04, 2:24 PM
Dark Angels? Some RANDOM chapter from what someone said earlier???

Show some respect for they are the first of the Emperor's Marines.

"Forget your past, from this day forward you are simply a Dark Angel" :D

Sarcastic Jedi
12th Aug 04, 3:07 PM
all chapters love the emporer, not because their primarch told em too, most venerate him as an inspired man with great powers, a scant few revered him as a deity.

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 5:59 PM
another dark angel,good... good.
and ya know the dark angels and wolves are friends right? so are the two primarchs,there best friends in a matter of fact.
and the reason they werent there was that they were with the space wolves farther than eveyone else,plus the wolves and dark angels had to purge a planet of chaos on the way,since this planet made weapons and tanks for the empires troops,this was how the leman russ tank was made.

Sarcastic Jedi
12th Aug 04, 6:23 PM
lion el jonson punched him heh

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 6:24 PM
but russ hit him first

Coey
12th Aug 04, 6:35 PM
Yeah, but Space Wolves have so much more character than the Dark Angels, and Logan can kick Azrial's ass, no contest.

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 6:47 PM
...... more character? how so? the wolves are boastful and love combat,the dark angels are aloof,stubborn and most focused of all chapters. they of all the chapters have the most history and character.
I dont remeber if logan can kick his ass,cause we have the sos
plus azrael is a better leader.

Coey
12th Aug 04, 6:56 PM
Azreal dosen't have 700 years of combat experiance behind his every move :argh:

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 7:00 PM
logan may be old but azreal is one of the best chapter masters around,plus the sos is one of the best swords, he may not be like many of the close combat monster's but he is one of the best leaders,if not the best.
I thought logan was older than 700,I guess I have to look at the wolfs characters again,can ya tell me what happened to that rune priest, I think his name was njord or something and he had a raven,also a pretty cool staff.

Coey
12th Aug 04, 7:07 PM
Their's Ulrik The Slayer, he's cool. Voltar The Bloody, he's got a saga in the Codex, but no Nijord, but it does sound very familiar.

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 7:09 PM
big beard,raven,big staff,he's a ruin priest,oh yeah something stormcaller

Coey
12th Aug 04, 7:24 PM
OH YEAH! Nijal Stormcaller, you can find a picture of him here http://www.wolfbane.it/minia40k3.htm, it's not in English, and I haven't found him in the Codex yet, but as soon as i read Stormcaller it jogged my memory.

MacBeth
12th Aug 04, 7:33 PM
what the hell happened to him,he aint a character in the game workshop store,did he die or something?

Coey
12th Aug 04, 7:39 PM
I'm not sure, I'll ask at my local tommorow, but I think he's gone with the Wulfen, but that is just specualation, but Rune Preists are often associated with the Wulfen, so...

Violentsa
15th Aug 04, 8:40 AM
just wanted to say thanks for the story... im a dark angels fan myself and i couldnt find this story in my searches so far.. btw, the space wolves are the ONLY sub-race i never play in DoW.. and would never consider playing in real life... i mean, when i saw the dude with a wolfhead on his shoulder i just thought.. gay.. how can you be like the wolves and hunt with them and all that, but not have a problem with lopping one's head off so u have a nice warm shoulder.. furthermore, if i hear one more thing about skirts im gonna punch someone... if you can't tell the difference between a skirt and a goddamn ROBE then you shouldn't even be allowed to live, let alone post here.. someone shoot these guys..

Coey
15th Aug 04, 9:01 AM
First off, there trophys, they go out and kill wolves to put their pelts on their armour, as Fenrisian Wolves are usually the sze of a horse, or the larger ones being the size of a Rhino APC, it;s a sign that the warrior is powerfull, thus making his battle-brothers respect him. And the packs of wolves that follow the Space Wolves are bound to their master because that particlar Marine killed their leader in combat, without any weopons, and follow him where ever he goes. And you call Wolf heads gay.

MacBeth
15th Aug 04, 10:36 AM
I think the wolves are really cool, there second to dark angels in my opinion.

and ya should know the wolves and the angels are friends but rivals.

TheKito
16th Aug 04, 4:39 AM
Azreal dosen't have 700 years of combat experiance behind his every move :argh:

If we're going on Experience, I guess Dante wins! I don't have the 3rd edition codex handy, but in the second edition codex they mentioned that he is so old, he has been commander of the Blood Angels longer than most other chapter masters have been marines. And to make him look young, their was a veteran Sgt that could remember when Dante was just started in his scout unit. To be fair though, they also mentioned that he is wise enough to defer to the advice of younger chapter masters if they are better tactitions during joint chapter manuevers.

AngelOfSecrets
16th Aug 04, 5:31 AM
If we're going on Experience, I guess Dante wins! I don't have the 3rd edition codex handy, but in the second edition codex they mentioned that he is so old, he has been commander of the Blood Angels longer than most other chapter masters have been marines. And to make him look young, their was a veteran Sgt that could remember when Dante was just started in his scout unit. To be fair though, they also mentioned that he is wise enough to defer to the advice of younger chapter masters if they are better tactitions during joint chapter manuevers.

The Dark Angels are also one of the greatest chapters regarding tactics and strategy since thier primarch was also one of the best among the primarches.

MacBeth
16th Aug 04, 11:31 AM
the dark angels were proably the best of the loyal legions,since they had the most victorys of just one legion.

Coey
16th Aug 04, 4:33 PM
But since the Crusade the Space Wolves have been at the most fights and had the most victories.

Sarcastic Jedi
16th Aug 04, 4:51 PM
quit fighting amongst yourselves and fight the aliens :/

MacBeth
16th Aug 04, 5:35 PM
it aint that easy jedi,and the dark angels have had as much victorys and battles in 40k,but in total the angels still have the most lol.

Nyssaa
28th Aug 04, 1:47 PM
Actually, Jedi, there is animosity between the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves...a burning rivalry that's lasted for over 10,000 years. It's not as simple as saying, "Hey, dudes...like, stop fighting and have munchies and stuff." It's a little more complicated than that. The animosity between the two chapters began during the Horus Heresy 10,000 years ago when a fight erupted between Lion'El Johnson (Primarch of the Dark Angels Legion) and Leman Russ (Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion). There was a small matter of pride between the two Primarchs regarding an assault on an enemy position. Lion'El spent weeks carefully crafting an effective strategy but Leman Russ just barges in and says that he's going to lead the assault while Lion'El and his boys play backup to the ' Wolves in case they had to fall back. A disagreement turned into an all-out brawl which wound up with Leman Russ laying unconscious on the ground by Lion'El's power fist. So the Dark Angels went forward with the campaign while the Space Wolves had to stay put while they waited for their Primarch to convalesce.

I know it's just a game but there are a lot of Dark Angels and Space Wolves players who take this bit of history very seriously. There are even rules that specify that if Space Wolves and Dark Angels fight against each other, their grudge runs so deep that when they engage in close combat with each other, they both automatically hit each other on a roll of 3+. So don't tell DA/SW players, "HEy, man stop fighting" because it ain't gonna happen. Learn your history about the Space Marine chapters before you start dispensing advise with a crotchety attitude. :)

Oh, and there's also the small matter of the Dark Angels having the priviledge of being the very First Space Marine organization...

DarthFelth
28th Aug 04, 2:32 PM
and the dark angels also manged to lose half a legion to chaos, atleast the rest could fully decide one way or they other (bar a few odd men)

MacBeth
28th Aug 04, 3:43 PM
well you got some of the story right.
and darth why do you keep bringing that up?
most of the fallen arent chaos,there marines that were mislead and now do whatever they want.
I dont think it was half of the legion,it was like 5 chapters worth.
anyways the dark angels and space wolves are friends but have alot of arguments.were just as loyal to the emperor as the space wolves are.

Coey
28th Aug 04, 5:24 PM
If it wasn't for the DA the Cadian Cate might still be open, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO let's just stay here on Caliban!







j/k.




Please don't lift your robes up.

DarthFelth
28th Aug 04, 5:27 PM
lol i know most fallen hode in fear, are mercs, yes i know, i have read the fluff, im taking te piss outta DA :p cant help me self, guess its the space wolf in me ;)

Col_Gaunt
28th Aug 04, 6:29 PM
anyone got the fluff one who the fudge the 'watchers' are who look at Lion'el'johnson blokey primarch type dude

DarthFelth
28th Aug 04, 6:35 PM
hmm, ant woul of thought they were members of the innercircle type thing

MacBeth
28th Aug 04, 7:08 PM
not even we dark angels know what they are,I assume there small parts of the lions mind helping the dark angels.
but we find them useful as helemt and weapon holders :D

DarthFelth
29th Aug 04, 4:46 AM
dude, if thats wot dark angels thought they wouldnt be hunting them down to repent ;)

Calculon
30th Aug 04, 5:51 PM
Thanks 101st Belial!

Cheers!

hangman_jury
9th Mar 05, 12:48 PM
its obvious that some turned to chaos, but i reckon many hundreds from other chapters have turned,
its something so sinister only one person knows the full truth...
and he will rise again from his sleep to save them in their darkest hour...

something like he is pocessed by a chaos force but has been able to rule the chaos inside by sleeping

or they had something to do with the fatal wound against the Emporer...(my fav theory)

the rock wasnt near by, but doesnt mean a chapter member wasnt.


it will envolve a battle campaign at some point...
something bigger than eye of terrror and Armageddon put together
and then all will be put out into the open...

warlord981
9th Mar 05, 7:47 PM
well i for one like this thread. thax 101st_Belial.