Germans used napalm and leaflettes?

[Silverdeath]

I always sorta figured that being the war is in the later stages, all of the gasoline that Germany had was being used in their air force and tanks in the east. The Americans also used napalm quite extensively in their bombing campaign And the idea of dropping propaganda from the air seem so much like what the allied forces would do.

This aint about balance, I'm just wondering why Relic did why they did.

[DatonKallandor]

Where do the germans have napalm?


Daton

[Some Marine]

He's referring to the Inferno barrage or whatever its called the German's get with terror
doctrine. According to the wikipedia article, the German's didn't have it, but the Americans did. Also in the book Band of Brothers (or possibly Citizen Soldiers), the German army drops a series of leaflets onto the American troops titled "Why fight for the Jews?". The Americans laughed at them, but did not flee in terror.

[Pengu]

I didn't know about the leaflets thats interesting. The ability is called firestorm. I don't remember it saying anywhere that its napalm. I don't remember reading anywhere that allies used it either though. I do know that on at least 2 accounts major allied bombing campaigns resulted in 2 cities becoming "firestorms". One was in Hamburg and the other was in Dresden I believe. They dropped incendiary bombs on each city until the fires reached a point at which they just engulfed everything burnable. They were pretty scary and devestating apparently.

[Bonnet]

Pretty scary hardly describes it. The asphalt ran like rivers into bomb bunkers the inferno reached such great temperatures.

As far as I can tell the Germans never had anything like the firestorm.

[macktheknifeau]

I think allies were using napalm late war, they used it to firebomb a third of tokyo with hundreds of b29s.

[Ariel]

As far as I can tell the "Firestorm" ability is not napalm. It seems more like some kind of off map rocket attack, and in fact, when I use it I'm pretty sure I can even hear the off map rockets firing.

[Mirage Knight]

Actually the 32cm rockets fired by the SdKfz 251/1 "Stuka zu Fuss" were napalm rockets. The converted halftrack could also fire 28cm HE rockets.

Interesting fact about those missiles is that they could be fired from their transport crates - which could be quickly clamped to the halftrack's launcher frame.

[DatonKallandor]

Axis "Firestorm" ability are 280mm missiles. Read the effin tooltip.


Daton

[n0z3k1ll3r]

Napalm sounds like exactly the sort of thing Hitler WOULD use given half a chance.

[Akranadas]

Would Have Noz, Would Have. ;)

I think the word firestorm is more for the fact that its just alot of firepower in such a small area.

[DatonKallandor]

Exactly. It's a very concentrated attack, with a ton of firepower, but over very fast. Thus Firestorm.


Daton

[Obst. Kübel]

Napalm is overrated cause of Vietnam (anti-war) Propaganda.

The use of Fire, or burning liquids with different grades of density and adhesion are used to fight the enemy since ancient times with more or less Efficiency.

for example take a look at these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire

The word 'Firestorm' is a misunderstanding from the game designers looking for a powerful term to label this level of destruction, a good German Word would be 'Vernichtungsfeuer' (= very heavy artillery fire)
maybe its a V2-Rocket attack?

btw: Axis and Allies had large supplies of chemical weapons at hand, but both sides (even Hitler) shied away from using it in fear of the gruesome retaliation.

[DatonKallandor]

maybe its a V2-Rocket attack?

Does noone read the damn tooltips? Things are already labeled. There is no guessing involved.


Daton

[shadowcreaper]

no one used napalm in word war 2. the only bomb i can think you may be refering to is the "fuel air bomb", or incentury bombs. But for a fact napaulm wasnt being used in world war 2 due to the "geneva convention".

like osbt said both had some sort of chemical weapons but none dared of used them.

though if hitlar funded the "vengence" rocket program earler then the v2 would have been ready wel before the end of war, and from documents found in his bunker they "were" going to put chemical weaponds inside the v2 and then could attck easten america. though as we al know this dint happen due to the early normandy invasion

[Starfisher]

no one used napalm in word war 2.Yes they did.


It was developed by the U.S. in World War II by a team of Harvard chemists led by Louis Fieser, and the name comes from the use of the original chemicals, coprecipitated aluminium salts of naphthenic and palmitic acids, which were added to the flammable substance gasoline to cause it to gel. [1]


In World War II, Allied Forces bombed cities in Japan with napalm, and used it in bombs and flamethrowers in Germany and the Japanese-held islands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

[shadowcreaper]

International law does not prohibit the use of napalm or other incendiaries against military targets[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm#_note-2), but use against civilian populations was banned by a United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) convention in 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980) [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm#_note-3). The United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) did not sign the agreement, but destroyed its napalm arsenal by 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001).




The United States had been accused by the Australian Sydney Morning Herald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Morning_Herald) of using napalm in the Iraq War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm#_note-4). This was denied by the U.S. DOD. In August 2003, the San Diego Union Tribune alleged that U.S. Marine pilots and their commanders confirmed the use of Mark 77 firebombs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb) on Iraqi Republican Guards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Republican_Guards) during the initial stages of combat

how typical of them.

[retroholyfire]

A firestorm is the name given to a fire where it reaches such extremes that it melts bricks and the fires need for oxygen causes gale force winds sucking everything including people into the heart of the fire. A firestorm cannot be stopped once started due to the sheer power of it. Nothing else is a firestorm and a few incendaries or off map artillery certainly arn't. The firestorm in Dresdon killed more people than the atomic bomb. The Germans never made any firestorms. the closest they got was when a load of incendaries were dropped on london and a load of factories along the thames caught fire. Very hot and deadly but still just a fire, not a firestorm. As for propaganda, How can you scare you're enemy with leaflets when they know for a fact they are winning the war? (Even if D-Day failed the russians would have wiped out the German resistance)

[redcoated]

Naplam was invented in 1943 and the first time they where dropped was on July 17th 1944 [ read the wikipedia article ]. The germans only had incendary devices , but no naplam.

A firestorm is the name given to a fire where it reaches such extremes that it melts bricks and the fires need for oxygen causes gale force winds sucking everything including people into the heart of the fire. A firestorm cannot be stopped once started due to the sheer power of it.

Pretty scary hardly describes it. The asphalt ran like rivers into bomb bunkers the inferno reached such great temperatures
Pretty much sums it up . Not to metion that if you didnt die of the fire or the heat , you would die of carbon monoxide. So no, no faction in Company of Heroes has a 'firestorm' ability. Leaflets , yes , both sides used them . Problem was , the leaflets where never taken seriously by the troops they where targeted at.

[Melonplant]

The thread lives! Or are we just pushing corpses around?

Edit: The firebombing in the cities of japan did far more damage than the nukes did. Probably far worse civilian-wise too. Always have effective anti-aircraft capabilities in your countries.

[B4_life]

*casts turn undead*

And yeah; nukes did far less damage then conventional bombing, it's only that it was two bombs and it was instance.

[1SSPzGrenLehr]

Pretty scary hardly describes it. The asphalt ran like rivers into bomb bunkers the inferno reached such great temperatures.

As far as I can tell the Germans never had anything like the firestorm.

Bonnet, this is not a History Forum... you have been warned...hehe... :nana:


...And the magic term that you're all looking for is "WP" - White Phosphorus - used to make incindarary weapons... naplam = Vietnam (and a short time line, that is WWII, Korea, Vietnam... 1940's, 1950's and 1960-70's)

Here is a wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

[Falaris]

First use of napalm was in 1944 by the USA, as others have allready commented.

However, everyone used some form of jellied gasoline in their flamethrowers; napalm is only one such. The germans used them from 1940 onwards, the allies from 1942 onwards. The germans first used them extensively but then used them a lot less, both due to the scarcity of the fuel and the weapon's unpopularity.

The reason they use jellied gasoline... well, using gasoline or gas alone would have the stuff burn up too fast, and too much of the fuel would just drain harmlessly into the ground without burning.

On a side note, flamethrowers exploding was not that big a problem; certainly not as big a one as hollywood portrays.... or CoH. :D

On another side note, USA stopped using napalm, and switched to napalm B and other incendiary forms. Which is probably why the DoD could say, a little tongue in cheek, no, we didn't use *napalm*.

[1SSPzGrenLehr]

I am sure the people that were on the receiving end of it in 2003 are pretty tongue in cheeck about it also... "shake n' bakes", it's just like video games but more real.

People should probably try to keep in mind that when you talk about CoH, it's a game, when you reference reality, try to keep in mind that 1. this is an open (global) forum and 2. that people in the world are currently and actually being effected by the weapons that are represented in this game and to them it's no game.

[Deionarra]

Oh noes the dead arise, ... to the pub!

Why is this even in the strat forum?!?