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DrunkenOne
10th Oct 06, 3:13 PM
Please explain to me how Calliopes aren't OP.

http://forums.relicnews.com/images/replays/Angoville (2).gifReplay Name: Drunk vs Bent
Map: Angoville (2)
Filename: 2p_angoville farms.2006-10-10.17-59-26.rec

Allied players: HueJorgon (http://coh.relicnews.com/stats/search.php?player_name=HueJorgon)
Axis players: Bentguru (http://coh.relicnews.com/stats/search.php?player_name=Bentguru)

Download (http://forums.relicnews.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6063)

Starfisher
11th Oct 06, 7:30 AM
[Moved to thread in strategy and balance]

MadCatChiken
11th Oct 06, 12:05 PM
I don't think Calliope's are OP, they seem fine to me.. cos while they're can't use the rockets they're useless for a tank v tank battle. Even rubbish at hitting troops too, only effective at bombarding.

Bonnet
11th Oct 06, 9:45 PM
Drunken: I watched the replay, you had the game long before the calliope showed up. Both of you are obviously excellent players however you simply managed to outmanuver bent who made a few critical mistakes.
A) He failed to cap territory. For all of the early game (even when you managed to cut of his side points) you had significantly more territory than you. Indeed he didn't even cap the +16 fuel and ammo after he pushed you off of them (bad mistake). (refer to below image to see time).
B) He lost a critical engagement here simply because of poor tactical manuvering. You simply out microed him in every way.
The orange circled area is what he SHOULD have capped instead of trying (and failing) to cut you off. This is a pretty strong area to defend, for at least a bit and he needed the resources.
The green arrow is a move he should have made that would have won him that little engagement, but anyways the game was pretty much decided (sadly) there. He needed more resources to keep up with you, to equip mp40's on the volks and use the panzerfaust as a nade (which would have also helped him alot).

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/201/bentmessupun3.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bentmessupun3.jpg)

So using this game as an example on why calliopes are OP is a bad idea...

Starfisher
12th Oct 06, 8:31 PM
PSA:

Balance and Strategy discussion goes in the balance and strategy forum. If you have a balance issue, make a thread in the BS (heh) forum, link the replay, and have a jolly good discussion. Keeping track of it in two places at once is impossible and will only detract from what this particular subforum is supposed to be about: showcasing replays and discussing them.

Sephlock
13th Oct 06, 1:48 PM
Do you guys EVER play on sturzdorf? How about the occasional match on Semios ;)?

I mean, I realize the inherent value of your CoH related statements, but empirically, all your various replays PROVE is that what you say applies... on Angoville ;).

Bentguru
13th Oct 06, 3:03 PM
I play semois and angoville, struzdorf is just a crappy map.

Sephlock
13th Oct 06, 3:52 PM
Whats wrong with Sturz, in your expert opinion? Too many buildings? If so, what exactly about the buildings do you dislike?

And how about some replays of you guys playing on Sturz, or at least on Semois?