Homeworld! Fill me In Guys!!!!

[Roshan III]

Hey people! As You can see, I'm new to this whole page. It's kinda kool and you all like Homeworld so that's kool. So let me start by introducing myself. My name's Quinton Jones (Q for short)
and I'm in the 12th grade. I'm currently working on an ultimately 2 book novel and am soon going to be in the army :) I've played the homeworld game a few years back and it was just amazing. I dont have it myself because my comeputer is too slow ( 700 mhz<) and it just sucks (its a gateway with a samsung CPU. Samsung!!!!!). well, I appreciate the feedback and I hope to make alot of friends (of at least aquaintances) Thanx!!!

[Murph]

Bah. I run HW without a hitch with an Athlon 500 with 64 RAM.

I know a guy who runs it on a P 233. Im pretty sure your comp is good enough to play HW :)

See ya on WON.

(Samsung makes CPUS? WTF)

[Roshan III]

My comp almost crashed when I tried to install Unreal Tournament:eek: The thing is a piece o' crap cuz of that stupid Samsung CPU. You are right they don't make comps; They just screw others over. Evert thing in that tower is made from subcontracted companies, samsung, mitsubishi, and even Saab, making the whole thing SUCK!!!!

[Murph]

Replace the parts or just get a whole new computer. Build your own. A decent comp made from scratch can go for as less as a thousand dollars. Maybe even less. Im not the authority on this tho. There are plenty of others here who can tell you what to get and how to put everything together.

[Roshan III]

Kool Could you get me some names?:D :cool: :D :)

[zenogias]

My computer's a Gateway, and probably a good deal slower than yours (PIII 450 in da house!), but it runs Homeworld just fine, and a bunch of other games too, with very little slowdown (except when I've got 200+ ships on the screen at once . . . in my fleet alone). The computer does occasionally lock up, but that's more of an annoyance than anything.

[Lone]

HP Pavilion
AMD K6 II @500Mhz
192Mb SDRAM @100Mhz
ATI Radeon32MB SDR video card (PCI slot)

HW and Cat run good on my system even with the pci slot vid card. Slows down with more than 4 players online and loads of ships. Have played other games on it and they ran fine. Half Live and all it's other game. Diablo 1 & 2 and worked good.

[Roshan III]

lemmie ask you two a question? what s your ISP? and what rate do you download at?

[Fissure]

Originally posted by Murph
I know a guy who runs it on a P 233
You mean besides me? Hopefully I'll get a new one in the next month or so; I wanna crank up the deatails and run at 1280x1024, dangit!


Originally posted by Roshan III
what s your ISP? and what rate do you download at?
I use Verizon DSL, so I can download up to 768 Kb/s. You don't need nearly that much, though, 56k with any decent provider (not *shudder* AOL) should be plenty.

[MrNonchalant]

Until recently I played Homeworld easily with a 150Mhz Pentium Elite with no known graphics capability and 56k modem. If I was you I wouldn't say nearly that much about yourself (unless your lying), I still haven't told anyone anything.:D I might be a sycopath locked away in a institution for all they know;) I'm betting at least one of them is. I currently have a 500Mhz Pentium III with DSL and a graphics card, so much better.

[ceejayoz]

Originally posted by Roshan III
lemmie ask you two a question? what s your ISP? and what rate do you download at?
University of Rochester - 2 megabytes per second download speeds. :D:D:D

[Ben Tusi]

Commodore 64,
2 kbs of Ram,
140 byte video ... thing.

Homeworld works like a dream on my comp!

[Roshan III]

University of Rochester - 2 megabytes per second download speeds.
Dang nabit!!!! I Have AOHell so I keep getting kicked off line. That
"You've got mail." voice has already driven me insane....


hope fully i can build a better comp. Hey does any one think AOL is ok? :eek: :eek:

[Murph]

Hope to see you there Ceej. STILL waiting for the damned acceptance letter!


BTW: I use SNET on a 56k modem. Download speeds vary from 5.00 kb/s to 500 b/s (ew)

[Necrocenser]

Originally posted by ceejayoz

University of Rochester - 2 megabytes per second download speeds. :D:D:D

that's not RIT is it.....hmmm methinks they're different schools, otherwise you are the #14 most wired campus in the nation :)

at my univ. i think i have to share a T3... that would be 5.625 megabytes(not megabits)/second theoretical i guess

[Roshan III]

Too.... fast.... of a c-c-c-connection!!!!!

[OmegaRenegade]

I used to run HW on my dad's 300Mhz celeron with a 4Mb AGP S3 vid card, and a 56k modem, worked fine, lagged a bit with MP though. Then i built myself a 800Mhz Celeron (currently running at 900) with a 32Mb 4x AGP Nvidia card, 17' monitor, 128-bit Sound Blaster sound card, 20GB HD 52X cd rom, whole thing costed bout $850 CDN. HW runs awsome. And I'm getting a cable modem tonight, how sweet it is.

[Murph]

ahahah I'm going to RIT. Not university of rochester.

Considering im ACCEPTED. Wheres that damned letter?!

(edit: gg english =/)

[Roshan III]

Originally posted by OmegaRenegade
I used to run HW on my dad's 300Mhz celeron with a 4Mb AGP S3 vid card, and a 56k modem, worked fine, lagged a bit with MP though. Then i built myself a 800Mhz Celeron (currently running at 900) with a 32Mb 4x AGP Nvidia card, 17' monitor, 128-bit Sound Blaster sound card, 20GB HD 52X cd rom, whole thing costed bout $850 CDN. HW runs awsome. And I'm getting a cable modem tonight, how sweet it is.

Kool man. where would I go and how would I build The dang thing. Could you help me?:cool:

[Necrocenser]

well for about 850 cdn or i guess it's still $680 american you can get:

an athlon tbird 1.4 ghz (not xp)
an epox 8k7a mobo (onboard audio-pretty good stuff)
a 20 gb 7200rpm Hard Drive,
a 256 mb stick of pc2100 sdram
a pioneer 16 x DVD-rom
generic floppy
sturdy Enlight case with 350 watt PS
geforce 2 mx
17 inch viewsonic monitor

total 679 w/out shipping

go to

www.newegg.com for pricing

[OmegaRenegade]

I forgot to metion that was back late july, prices have changed alot since then. Basiclly just find a parts store, ask around someone you know might know of a good place, then decide what kind of setup you want, and how much you want to spend, I was planning to get a 650Mhz, but they stopped selling them and the 800 was the price of the 650. The minimum parts you need for a working computer are

1 ATX Case and power supply
1 Mother board w/ AGP slot
1 Proccesor
RAM
Hard Drive
Floppy Drive
Keyboard
Monitor
Video Card


Then to actually be able to use your computer you'll want a cd/dvd rom, a mouse, sound card, cooling system, and anything else you want to put in (ie CD-RW or even better a new DVD-RW)
And don't forget your OS, You could probably get Win98 for about $30, which I think is still the best OS for power users (people who want to make their comp do what they want how they want it). I don't think I missed anything, but I probably did. You'll want to decide what exactly you want and what you want to spend and stick to it. To decide what parts you want do some research, check some of the HW guides out there, if you need any help you can ask me if you want, but what I know might be a little old since I haven't kept up to date the last few months, but I'd still be able to help somewhat.

Or if this all seems too much, you can go for a package deal type thing like gateway or dell or whoever else, I tend to think you get ripped off and you also don't get the control that you do with building, and most of the time building it yourself you know that you are getting brand name parts instead of samsung cpus.

Hope this helps.
BTW if you got more questions just ask.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by Roshan III
My comp almost crashed when I tried to install Unreal Tournament:eek: The thing is a piece o' crap cuz of that stupid Samsung CPU. You are right they don't make comps; They just screw others over. Evert thing in that tower is made from subcontracted companies, samsung, mitsubishi, and even Saab, making the whole thing SUCK!!!!

Now, you shouldn't back-stab Saab. I happen to live in sweden and own a Saab (Car though :)) and it rocks!

[Roshan III]

:err: Oh don't get be wrong, I love Saab. I used to run small rally races in a saab 900S. Handled great! (understeered a little though) What I meant to say was that when you have a whole bunch of diffrent companies from diffrent countries put together a computer, (some of which have no businness in the industry to begin with(Samsung in particular)) stuff just doesn't work. So, Sweden eh?

[Omi-kun]

Woud this Saab company be the same one that makes the Delta winged airplanes with the neat reverse thrust shield for brakes?

[ÜberJumper]

Saab Viggen baby.

[Mazar_Paktu]

that would be the saab that has been building jets since the 1940s...

[Roshan III]

Originally posted by UberJumper
Saab Viggen baby.
Have they made anything after the Viggen?

[GarethB]

There is the newer Saab Gripen. Go here: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/index.html#gripen1

[sunstorm]

Well, I used to run HW on my P2-350 with TNT2 Ultra. It worked ok for me, though sometimes when there were ships all over my screen, the fps came down to about 10...

Anyway, since 2 weeks I've upgraded my Asus P2B with a Celeron 1Ghz and a WD-Caviar 60GiG. Things tend to be running very smooth now.

Sun

[Dark_illusion]

Well you could fun hw and cat on any comp thats more than a 400 megahertz as long as u have a good video card. I have a geforce2 and it runs awesome on hw and cat. for about $99 canadien, u can get a geforce2mx, a little slower, but all the same good. Also, cat funs a bit smoother than hw

[WolfmanA4]

I ran HW on a 450mhz p3 64 megs of ram and a tnt2 16meg card with a 10 gig HD.


abouth a month ago i quoted a computer price for a company they needed 4 computers to be built. price was about 400 dollar per computer.

it was basicaly a duron 950mhz intergrated sound and video
512 megs of ram 20 or 40 gig HD i cant remember wich
48x CD rom drive

if you want cheap computer parts go to http://www.pricewatch.com only thing i would suggest about them is thier ram dont go for cheap generic crap mushkin, crucial and the sort are good. bad ram can be bad for your whole computer.

oh and hi im kinda new to these boards too :-D

[Roshan III]

thanx alot wolfman. appreciate the website. hey yall know what is a better company for computers: Dell or compaq?

[OmegaRenegade]

DELL!!! but quite honestly they both suck, dell is more expensive, but they use better parts and they are more upgradable, compaq's are cheap and easy to use, but good luck trying to upgrade anything, just about every thing is built onto the motherboard.

Here's one tip when shopping for a new computer and you'll want to be able to upgrade it. Do not get anything that says it has onboard anything, that means that the components (ie video and sound cards, modems) are all part of the motherboard and usually are impossible to deactivate. Also watch for things saying something like "64 Mb RAM (4Mb shared)" that means that all your RAM is being shared by your hardware, you really only have 60Mb ram, the other 4 is part of the vid card (this usually also means that everything is onboard) shared ram hardware is also impossible to upgrade. Compaq's, HP's are always onboard, IBM, DELL, Gateway... usually on board

[Ryoken3D]

I ran hw on my P133 Desktop at home :)


Now I am on my Celeron500 laptop :)



Ryoken

[moke]

Samsung does NOT make cpus.

The box you are looking at is called a monitor.

[OmegaRenegade]

Hey moke, before you start demeaing people think, alot of companies tried thier hand at cpus but couldn't compete, Samsung, Texas Instraments, HP, GE all tried at one point.

[WolfmanA4]

If you buy a dell and it has intergrated video or sound and decide you want to put in a new card you can disable said onboard monstrousities in the bios.But i suggest you build it your self its easy to put together you can take your assemebled PC to a PC tech and he will put in any software you want and have it up and running in less then a day for a fee if your are unsure about your abilities.Thier are lots of online tut's to show you how to build a PC of your own. You will save hundreds of dollars.

if you ever have any computer questions or need any help about it you can always post here and ill answer them for you or if you want even more help the tribes2 bulletin board at sierras site is filled with guys like me.

[OmegaRenegade]

All praise wolfman he's a pro *lots of sarcasm*.

Thats the way it works in theory, in reality things don't work out that way, alot of the time they still use up resources, and if RAM is shared you can't disabled, which really sux, and alot of the time disabliing the card in the bios creates hardware conflicts.

[valjoux]

I am running Homeworld on my laptop computer with PIII 450 MHz CPU, 128 Mbyte RAM, 8 MB 2x AGP graphics with good results. By the way: Samsung is producing very much: So far I have seen computer parts (monitors), TV equipment, machines in a company for producing automobile airbag control devices, and my cellular phone is made by Samsung too. Saab not only produces computer parts and air planes, but also cars. Toyota also is a gun manufacturer, and Texas Instruments builds guidance units for laser guided bombs too. Additionally there are many companies which own other companies: I never had thought here in Germany a company which provides cellular phone network services also is the owner of Krauss-Maffei, where the best Main Battle Tank worldwide, the Leopard 2, is being produced... So companies always can be good for some surprise!

[Beast]

on the site link uber or whatever posted on saab, there was a bit saying "aproved suppliers" :D:D:D:D:D *BEAST runs to father asking for a different birthday pressie than planned

[WolfmanA4]

"All praise wolfman he's a pro *lots of sarcasm*."


why yes i am a pro thanks for noticing :D my business name (starts in janurary) is called Wreck Techs. i've never seen a problem with intergrated video cards still taking up mem but i might happen (see'in as how they arent doing anything once you have a replacement preforming video rendering). the only thing i would say is to watch out for PC's you buy with no AGP slot wich really really sucks.

[OmegaRenegade]

I've seen it on my dads old compaq and saw it on a computer my dad almost bought to replace it, for compaq like companies the best upgradability you can expect is maybe being able to expand your RAM (maybe) and USB, you might be lucky and are able to go further but don't expect to be able to, and yeah get AGP, 4x if you can.

[Roshan III]

Thanx you guys. I appreciate the feedback. I havent been able to go online, so forgive me. (I have *shudder* AOL). It's free, and my mom thought it was great, so... Anyway the trial member ship is about to end so I need to know: Who is the best ISP dial up wise and high speed DSL? I would appreciate download rates T1 or T3 excluded (I dont have that much money!!!) Thanx. Also what is better Cyrex or Pentium?

[WolfmanA4]

dial up wise att&t is good my brother uses it on his laptop high speed wise it really depends on your area DSL might suck in your area and cable might be the way to go or it might be the other way around check out http://www.dslreports.com and do a search for your area

CPU wise pentium is better then cyrix hell a half eatin dorito is better then cyrix

[Event-Horizon]

is 2 AMDS and a GF3 fast enough? oh and a OC48 connection?

BOOOoo to this MAC

[OmegaRenegade]

DO NOT EVER GET CYRIX!!! The are probably worse than your samsung cpu, Intel or AMD are the way to go, I personally prefer Inter Celreons, cheap, good performance and really overclockable.

[moke]

AMD CPUs perform better then P3's clock per clock, and are cheaper.

Abit KR7A + AXP1500+ would be nice.

[WolfmanA4]

AMD durons are extremly good for overclocking and are stable there also cheap as dirt

[Roshan III]

This question is probably the dumbest question to ask, but I cant overclock my CPU. (Dont think I wanna) Is there an override? It skips over the clock speed and i cant select it. :confused:

[Roshan III]

oh also Can any one give me a price range. *stands up and grabs a microphone*
"Attention, attention. I need a price check on CPU's. Repeat, CPU's":D

[WolfmanA4]

roshan what CPU and What mobo do you have

[OmegaRenegade]

To answer your price check, I got mine for about $120 CDN, generally overclocking is done right on the MB using jumpers, new MB's have SW programs that will do it for ya.

AMD? naw, to compete with intel (who still has the larger part of the market) has to pump out the chips at higher speeds, which means if you want to over clock, go intel, run the same OC as I am using on my comp without cooling and you'll burn your AMD.

[WolfmanA4]

erm durons arent t-birds they are there older cheaper slower models equivlent to intels celeron wich was really just a p3 with a L2 i believe reduction if you visit any OC forum and ask if durons are good for OC'ing im pretty sure they would aggree just cause a p4 can do 2 ghz with out OCing but ya gotta remember ghz does not = better preformance

[Roshan III]

Originally posted by WolfmanA4
roshan what CPU and What mobo do you have


mo....bo?

[iwanthw2]

motherboard, aka "the big thing that everything else is hooked up to"

[Roshan III]

Oh yeah!*Bonks self on the head* I knew that! I mean't which company? That should cover that up. Yes, nicely. *gives mirthfull chuckle*

[WolfmanA4]

i want to know what brand and model your mother board is roshan