Relic.com's peculiar redesign

[ChaosReigns]

Why is everyone waiting in this thread if no one is going to say anything?

Is it the trauma, the shock or is it the slow anger welling up from the depths of the soul?

[Edgar Valen]

I would say a combination of all three.

I have been waiting for e3 since I saw the ending of Dark Crusade with the Relic 2007 ending. I figured this would be the most likely stage to unveil whatever it is that they are doing. :(

That and I dont think too many people want to put a foot in their mouths if Relic announces it later today or tommorrow.

[Drakyon]

ive just been reading whats going on. kinda sucks but that relic.com update should be done anyday now then we will see.

[cmstophe]

This is ridiculous. I have to go to work, but there better be something when I come home. :/ After today, it could be ANY day. We have no idea. And I hate that.

[Shaitan]

Yea, cmstophe has it, today seemed sorta likely, if it doesn't happen today, who can really guess, if not today, and not in a couple of days following then really, we're back to having no clue.

[Tempestus]

We should only give up hope after the day ends and there isn't any updates, you have to remember that www.relic.com/en (http://www.relic.com/en) had two updates planned for today (like I said in one of my latter posts) and all we have to do is wait for something, anything, to happen today. If it turns to Friday and nothing is here we can give up hope or something.

[Shaitan]

That's true, those two expected updates are our last best hope.

[SquidDNA]

Poll added.

[Vakarian]

i will wait up intil 12 oclock UK time to see if relic is gonna announce something but it looks like a lost cause now, why if they had anything to reveal would they choose to unveil homeworld or something on the web E3 would give alot more exposure.

EDIT: guess what i voted for;)

[CommodoreKitty]

Hope damn it, hope!

[under_score]

Tin foil hats time:
the video said 2007, why not this date...
20/07/2007

[The5thElephant]

Guys, they are clearly not going to tell us anything big until this little game with their website is finished. E3 is more important to THQ than it is to Relic, who like to announce things at the right time (isn't it usually on Wednesdays?) when they are completely read to blow us away with awesomesauce-cannons.

[roflmao]

I still think it is just the website.

[Atze]

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

But still, I'm hoping, and as long as we don't know what all the hints are about, there's enough reason to be hoping :)

[ÜberJumper]

I suspect it's just the new website going live, and possibly announcing the next Dawn of War franchise entry (after all they still have a Dawn of War dev team, so they must be working on *something* right?).

[roflmao]

I wish they would give is a bit more info (to UNVRAVEL!) with this little mental game they are playing on our poor souls.

[Hiroshi_Tea]

anger! why is relic not heeding our calls?

[Shaitan]

It's hope, PMA. Can't let yourself be moved by negative emotions.

[Warp Holder]

www.relic.com/en (http://www.relic.com/en) is broken. (Good signal? Bad signal?)
The Mine in www.relic.com (http://www.relic.com) changed again.

[JAL-18]

Way to keep up with the last several hundred posts of the thread. :p

[The5thElephant]

I suspect it's just the new website going live, and possibly announcing the next Dawn of War franchise entry (after all they still have a Dawn of War dev team, so they must be working on *something* right?).

Way to dash my hopes and dreams Uber. Thanks.

[under_score]

That date i gave you works out as a Friday. So the evil relic staff can clock off and leave us in rapture after the announcement.
I voted HOPE!!!

[CommodoreKitty]

How do you know they still have the dev team? Where do you get these juicy tidbits of information. I suspected they did, but never *knew* they did. If they still have the team, then they must be working on a new project, they sure arn't working on a patch.

:)

[Tempestus]

they sure arn't working on a patch.

They could be.....;)

[Dark Angel N00b]

Hope. With the rest of you!

Seriously, im going to go play DC for a bit, and when i come back, i expect DOW2 to be announced!

It might work... :err:

[Nurizeko]

Wheres my choose poll option damnit!?.

Anyway, I was just told about this, and the person in question made very foolish remark.

There is NO Homeworld 3. NONE!.

It is a myth, a fantasy, the fevered dream of a madman!.

Talk of any Homeworld 3's are forbidden!, least we suffer yet another GD burning as the forums descend into the anarchy that is rampant HM3 theory-craft.




Oh, and before I forget, just in case I ever tell anyone, I officially declare I DID NOT see a fuzzy hooded W40K'ish head over the relic plate on the mine.

< <;;

[CommodoreKitty]

It would be pretty sweet if they announced HW3.

[ÜberJumper]

No Homeworld 3... yet.

I'm pretty sure Relic got the rights to the IP back, but I doubt they're working on Homeworld 3.

[roflmao]

I will personally go on a chopper, armed with a shotgun, go storm in the sierra's office and kill the CEO if they dont give Relic the rights to homeworld back...

[Shaitan]

DoW2 if anything most likely ...

[Warp Holder]

They could be.....;)
There's no news from Buggo about it, and she never held a patch as a surprise. (I think)

[Nurizeko]

It would be pretty sweet if they announced HW3.

No Homeworld 3... yet.

I'm pretty sure Relic got the rights to the IP back, but I doubt they're working on Homeworld 3.


NEIN!!!!!

Silence!, you cannot speak of it, even to confirm "it would be sweet".


HW3 is the forums greatest taboo, it is forbidden, only the most highly trained council of moderators may speak of it in a fully prepared safe-room 2 miles below a remote Island.

The nameless game that cannot be named is too dangerous for public speculation.

:lol:

[Vakarian]

I'm pretty sure Relic got the rights to the IP back, but I doubt they're working on Homeworld 3.

I wonder about that, I don't think there any way to find out unfortunatly.

[JAL-18]

Relic needs to make Homeworld 3 so that we can have Space Ninjas do battle with our lovable Space Pirates, the Turanics.

[Mr.Pickles]

Soooo...... Who put this poll up?

[CommodoreKitty]

Squid, I think.

[Maktaka]

Squid, I think.

To quote another of the mollusk-themed denizens of these boards:

Indeed (http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=2422474#post2422474)

[PULSTAR]

I am now attempting to decide between "This thread should be Vaulted when it (eventually) dies off" and "Everyone who posted in the past 20 or so pages should be gathered in one place so they can be nuked and thus restore some part of my faith in humanity." Right now, I'm leaning toward the latter.




;)

[Riess]

Relic needs to make Homeworld 3 so that we can have Space Ninjas do battle with our lovable Space Pirates, the Turanics.

I totally second that. Space Ninjas own, and you know it.

[grdja]

You cannot possible forget the Space Vikings, and the GTVS!

[Shuma]

So i woke up, with Hope, and i read all this monstrosity...

All hope is Lost! Abandon SHIP!.

[JargonFilter]

abandon all hope

[Dark Angel N00b]

All ye who enter here?

[Ammon Ra]

Well, since this is coming from Uber, it must be true. they might not have a full dev team working on it, but they could be in the pre-pre-alpha stage now, thinking about plots, etc...? No?

Oh and i want to select all 4 option. More disapointment than anything else, but i guess hope wins.

[Guilliman]

so i couldnt take the long wait time till the annauncement, went to see harry pothead, then to read 10 new full pages of posts (i was like wooooooow cooool something happend)

something happened alright :ghost: my fragile little mine got shattred :bricks:


buggo I beg to thee, asnwer our prayers

[Nurizeko]

Talking of fools hope's, I wish I was awesome at modding so I could mod Medieval 2 total war in a total conversion so we could fight over Kharak as one of the many Kushani kiithid.

Ohwell...

[Ammon Ra]

Deserts would become boring after a while, which is what 90% of Kharak whas. :p

And yes, that's sort of what i feel like. Hot, thirsty and lost in a vast expanse of silicates without any hope and angry at the person(s) that dropped me there.

[Qwaar-Jet]

No Homeworld 3... yet.

I'm pretty sure Relic got the rights to the IP back, but I doubt they're working on Homeworld 3.

I would have thought that if they were so desparate to get the rights back, then they would throw everything into getting the game out ASAP. And considering the reaction in here, that still might be a wise move :p

[Atze]

I would have thought that if they were so desparate to get the rights back, then they would throw everything into getting the game out ASAP. And considering the reaction in here, that still might be a wise move

Indeed!

"Torpedo inbound, prepare for impact!"
"Hit! Hit! Damage report!"
"Breaching starboard fusion chamber!"
"We're going down! We're goin..." [insert nice little explosion here]

I loved the battle chatter =)

But let's hope it IS an announcement in the first place, i'd be fine with DoW2, too :)

[ÜberJumper]

Why? The Homeworld series hasn't exactly been a big moneymaker for them. Obviously to us it's a great IP, but the 3d game engine(s) is way too complex for people. Casual players have a bitch of a time managing an RTS, and suddenly you want them to manage multiple units in a huge 3d battlefield? Awesome for folks like us that love 3d games, but not so awesome for joe public.

Relic's now a studio that needs games that make lots of money. Dawn of War, as I hear, has been their only real big commercial hit. Homeworld was game of the year in 1999. There's a whole generation of gamers coming up that have never even heard of it (not that joe public ever did).

So Homeworld 3? Probably never.

[roflmao]

If they advertised it properly, they could probably get it to sell. What casual players like these days is different than what they liked in 1999, now 3d is the hot stuff, the current-gen. So a 3d RTS in todays world just might grab the attention of more people than it did back in 1999.

[ÜberJumper]

No. It wouldn't. Casual players can't play Homeworld, it confuses them, they just don't get it. People want to be able to instantly grab hold of something, and get it working. You can't do that with a Homeworld RTS.

Remember, 3d RTS when it comes to Homeworld doesn't just mean 3d units and what not, you're actually moving units in 3 dimensions across incredible (in game) distances. That's not easy for joe average to do. 3d games of that nature are NOT hot stuff for the current generation of games.

Starcraft 2 is essentially a 2D RTS, CoH and DoW are essentially 2-D RTS games. They can have a small 2D Mini map. Homeworld games can't have a 2-D minimap. Homeworld games require the player to have a grasp of where their units are in relation to the other units in a 3d space. People don't GET that. Our worlds are essentially 2D. We drive in 2D, we walk in 2D, etc. That's why there are professionals that fly planes, helicopters, etc. Navigating out of 2 dimensions is not intuitive for people.

[Trinity]

We have an overalll 45% failure rate once candidates reach our Air Traffic Control school because of what UJ is describing. No matter how much we try to teach them if they don't inately have a capacity to build and maintain a 3D mental model they will fail.

[Atze]

ÜberJumper is absolutely right. From the financial perspective it doesn't make sense to risk making HW3 - because of the mentioned reasons.
Anything DoW or CoH related will surely make the money needed, due to the popularity these games have right now.

But I just don't want to believe Relic is never going to risk anything again ;)

The story has a lot of potential, there's enough room for shiny graphics/effects and by making the controls more accessible, a possible Homeworld 3 could be very attractive, even for the casual gamer.

[Retroboy]

Another observation that underlines Uber's perception is the difficulty of marketing successful Space Simulations lately. Most of 'em post-Freespace2, possibly with the exception of Eve, are meh at best. I was disappointed with x3, disappointed with Blackstar One (eugh.), and neither was a colossal commercial success. If there was a solid market for 3d gameplay, there would be more games taking advantage of it.

The {Homeworld "3"} story has a lot of potential,... Not after the dismal shitkicking Relic gave it in Homeworld 2, it's not. I could go into details (and will if you ask), but I'd suggest a reset button is more than well in order. Cataclysm blew HW2's story out of the water, even though the game-tech was substantially lower on the scale.

-- Retro

[Civik]

There were space sims after freespace 2? WTF, where have I been??

*shrugs*

*goes to see if the latest Tales of Heroes vid has been uploaded...*

[CommisarYarrick]

DoW2 announced on the next planet alignment. READ BETWEEN THE LINES, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

[ÜberJumper]

I honestly can't seeing Relic taking a huge risk on a game from now on out.

I suspect we'll see much more traditional games (gameplay wise) out of them in the future.

The guys at Relic are super smart, and are incredibly capable. I have no doubt they could make anything if they set their minds to it. However, I think that super smartness also applies to business sense. They're going to invest in making products that have a high probablity of making a good return.

Heck, even RTS games are too much for the casual gamer. Relic needs (financially) to make something in the first person. The Outfit was too much like an RTS to appeal to the mass market.

[No Surrender]

KKKKHHHHHAAAAAAANNNNN!!!

Yeah, thank god I didn't actually stay up for this. Oh well, there was never much hope, just a fools hope.

[CommisarYarrick]

Relic needs (financially) to make something in the first person.

You mean like a good Firewarrior?

[TheDeadlyShoe]

My hopes went down with the SS Skexcellence, so this is all rather redundant fer me :]



We have an overalll 45% failure rate once candidates reach our Air Traffic Control school because of what UJ is describing. No matter how much we try to teach them if they don't inately have a capacity to build and maintain a 3D mental model they will fail.

interestin.

[CommodoreKitty]

But, Relic is an RTS company, just making a FPS and trying to make it appeal to the mass market is risky.

[Retroboy]

No Surrender, just a quick note that I got that analogy, and debated posting it myself. :)

-- Retro

[Ammon Ra]

well, the easiest type of games are racing games, but that area's already overflowing with competition. then again, thq did have a big line-up of racing games. Who knows, maybe relic's involved? ;)

Something along the lines of the outfit (3rd person shooter) would probably attract attention (with halo and GOW establing shooter games on consoles). Then again, that's just the type. If relic has the IP they could make a 3rd person shooter set in the homeworld universe, or make some other genre set in the homeworld universe. Spaceships, aliens, hyperspace, all great background information and fluff for anther type of game. ;)

[FriendlyFire]

It's not because a game does not appeal to the "average joe" that it should be thrown out of the window altogether. Otherwise, we'd all be playing Pac Man, since that's something the "average joe" can understand (Exageration, but you see my point). There are tons of successful games out there that ARE complex. The Total War series is pretty rough on your head on either the map or the battlefield, yet they made Shogun, Medieval, Rom, Medieval II and are still going! Civilization is at its fourth installment and it's not a simple game. Galactic Civ, while not the most successful game ever, still sold well. Supreme Commander is a great seller, and don't you tell me those maps aren't big. Homeworld's map seem smaller in comparison (Ships move faster and caps a much bigger). I guess even World of Warcraft isn't some easy game. It needs practice and work to get anywhere. Yet, it's one of the most successful game today.

I could go on, but I hope you see that Relic shouldn't try making FPSs because they are popular. They should be making what they want to or what they are best at. If they still want to do an FPS because they want to, they can of course go ahead and do one. But the mass market shouldn't be their primary motivation.

[Hiroshi_Tea]

thos 4x games involve a lot of remembering and making logical connections
something that had been hone through the 'evolution' of our brains
however, homeworld had a different plane of thought,
spacial manipulation and understanding
which isn't build naturally into our psyches

[hybris]

To answer the poll with another alternative;

I'm still posting in this thread because Relic's new website layout keeps changing.
The image zooms out. Don't know at which interval, but it has definitely changed since the last image

[Logga]

I'm still posting in this thread because Relic's new website layout keeps changing.
The image zooms out. Don't know at which interval, but it has definitely changed since the last image

Ditto..this is where my hope lays. It has to reveal something, or were we not ment to discover the website and that is what it is going to show with no addition of a new game? :/

[Ammon Ra]

i think we wern't suposed to find the new website's redesign when we did, since relic.com doesn't foreward to relic.com/en yet.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Hmm.

It doesn't give you that weird "resource cannot be found" page anymore. Just a straight up 'page cannot be found'

[Qwaar-Jet]

Uber, your observations are very disturbing. I really hope Relic don't turn into joe average games company who develop for the masses. I got pulled in by Relic because they were different. They didn't think with £ (or $) signs.

Dawn of War is nice, but as you say is basically 2D, and I get bored of that really quickly.

If there is never going to be a Homeworld 3, then there's not much point in waiting around for it, maybe have a look at other developers who are interested in the 3D RTS department.

As for succesful space games recently, I have to agree that the genre is on a bit of a downward slope. Apart from EVE, the only one that I believe has had any success has been Freelancer (which ruled), it also has a massive mod community. Apart from that though, can't think of anything else.

[Schnelle]

Meow
:couch:

ffft.

[Dyntheos]

/me shuffles kitten off keyboard

[Dooks Dizzo]

Seriously that stupid cat had no chance once Dyn got on the case.

[Shaitan]

We're saved, now back to being sad that no new project has been announced.

[Kushan_Pilot]

Indeed.

[Tempestus]

I'm just going to wait for Friday, if there's no announcements tomorrow i'm gonna stop looking and put my thoughts to DC automatch.

[Ammon Ra]

Space shooter using Homeworld ships. Now that would be interesting. no rts-ness, luffly 'splosions, all the favourite ships and races...MMMmmmmmmmm

[Hiro Protagonist]

ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO RESCUE THE MOTHERSHIP?

It'd be pretty amazing.

[Warp Holder]

Obvious thing here:
relic.com's image changes to reflect a second of the Relic logo intro.
Said intro lasts for 12 seconds before the "Warhammer 40,000" logo fades in.
We're at the 6th image.
If we reach the 12th and nothing happens, it's not DoWII...

[Logga]

If we reach the 12th and nothing happens, it's not DoWII...

I hope it does not do 6 more images before announcing something, that would take forever at this rate!

[cmstophe]

Yeah, this thing is taking forever and often, the differences in the images are barely discernible.

[KON Air]

Heck, even RTS games are too much for the casual gamer. Relic needs (financially) to make something in the first person. The Outfit was too much like an RTS to appeal to the mass market.

That's what I'm saying for years, they should totally rip Battlezone 2 off. I wouldn't mind. Seriously... hmm... acually it would be watered down Outfit (from what I hear, my only xbox owner friend just didn't buy it :()

[Ammon Ra]

Battlezone 2-type gameplay is slowely being popularized by the likes of BF series and UT's modes. there is some strategy involved, although idiots still exist wo go solo.

[cmstophe]

I'm sick of waiting. Just spill the beans tomorrow Relic, or go home. This was fun while we thought we knew when it was comign but now it's just useless.

[Tempestus]

I have to agree, i'm getting rather annoyed and hyped up for no reason. At least tell us it's not a new game or DoW 2 so we don't have to keep waiting.

[A7K]

GOD lose the negativity, my money is on something big...relic has always had timing issues but i dont think theyd create a viral campaign to announce a site that we already accidentally discovered. Seriosly the whining gets old if you cant take it let the real fans get excited and just dont comment.

APOC

[cmstophe]

A7K that is such crap. They're overdoing it. They had us hyped all week, and now the THQ conference has come and passed without even a peep. Why keep your fans on the line for so fricking long? I think we're all hyped enough at this point, and some of us are starting to LOSE hype.

Remember, we don't even know it's a new game. If they told us it was a new game I doubt many would lose faith but seriously, for all we know it's a goddam site redesign.

[Retroboy]

i'm getting rather annoyed and hyped up for no reasonQFT, but most likely not in the same context as the original post's intent.

Geez, guys. Cut Relic some slack, okay? Nobody PROMISED there'd be colossal news today. We're riding our own hype straight into a granite rock face here, and then blaming the cliff because our noses are sore.

-- Retro

[Tempestus]

Eh I guess you're right, after all I did promise Buggo I would give her and Relic more slack once DC 1.2 and the scrambled image came out. Never the less I love the work Relic does and I just want to see some more amazingness.

[A7K]

A7K that is such crap. They're overdoing it. They had us hyped all week, and now the THQ conference has come and passed without even a peep. Why keep your fans on the line for so fricking long? I think we're all hyped enough at this point, and some of us are starting to LOSE hype.

Remember, we don't even know it's a new game. If they told us it was a new game I doubt many would lose faith but seriously, for all we know it's a goddam site redesign.


Uh, no they didnt... we hyped ourselves all they did was post their viral adverts...guess what it worked...were all hooked in, even if its not a game we all want to know whats up....guess what mission accomplished....but no one is responsible for the hype than us...they havent made a single official announcement on the subject at all...plus i love bees went on for months its been what a week...jesus chill out and have some patience

APOC

[Pooey_Mess]

@Retroboy

I think everyone just wants Relic to make good on the "2007" promise at the end of the DC campaign. E3 just seemed like the best possible time to do it. I mean, it's been more than 6 months in to 2007, and every day beyond it just seems to drag out our anticipation.

It also doesn't help that Buggo just let's us drive ourselves into madness. The mere fact that she was watching over this thread made it seem very important.

[Ammon Ra]

She only replied when we got the blurry image wrong that she teased us with almost a year ago with. >___>

[ChaosReigns]

*sigh* It seems to me that Relic has done a fantastic job of marketing, hell, they just had Buggo drop a few pics here and there and redesigned the site and we did the rest. Now, we're all angry, disapointed, shocked and (in some cases) suffering from accute trauma but if Relic announces something in the next week it'll all be forgoten and they'll be our heroes again.

[Pooey_Mess]

No no no. She posted in this thread. I wasn't talking about the one a year ago. I don't remember what page it was on. I'll go look for it.

Ok, I can't find it. I've officially lost my mind.

[cmstophe]

Relic people have posted in this very thread (or if not this one, another related one...I don't remember)

They know we're hyped. And they choose not to say anything. If the huge closeups of the Relic mine were all just for fun and no big announcement was coming, they'd have let us know. Something is going to happen, be it a game announcement or a site redesign.

So while nobody promised us anything today...well, I think my post speaks for itself. They've been intentionally hyping us up. Now, time to show us what for.


Uh, no they didnt... we hyped ourselves all they did was post their viral adverts...guess what it worked...were all hooked in, even if its not a game we all want to know whats up....guess what mission accomplished....but no one is responsible for the hype than us...they havent made a single official announcement on the subject at all...plus i love bees went on for months its been what a week...jesus chill out and have some patience

Oh, sorry, I forgot...showing us their viral marketing junk doesn't count as hyping their fans up. *rolleyes* That's just US hyping ourselves up.

Gimme a break. Patience? I'll tell you patience. 'Relic 2007'. Here we are, 7 months into 2007. E3, one of the biggest gaming expos all year and the most infamous, is about over. Nothing yet.

I think you need to understand peoples' frustration, not lecture them on having patience.

[Hiro Protagonist]

No no no. She posted in this thread. I wasn't talking about the one a year ago. I don't remember what page it was on. I'll go look for it.

Ok, I can't find it. I've officially lost my mind.

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=2418787#post2418787

[Logga]

Three relic people posted here:

MacBug,mukkel (http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=154497&page=14&pp=15)

Buggo (http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=154497&page=23&pp=15)

[Ammon Ra]

pooey mess, she did post in this thread stating that we hadn't figured out what the blurry image was when someone said that we had figured it out.

[A7K]

Relic people have posted in this very thread (or if not this one, another related one...I don't remember)

They know we're hyped. And they choose not to say anything. If the huge closeups of the Relic mine were all just for fun and no big announcement was coming, they'd have let us know. Something is going to happen, be it a game announcement or a site redesign.

So while nobody promised us anything today...well, I think my post speaks for itself. They've been intentionally hyping us up. Now, time to show us what for.

due thats like saying OMG RELIC MARKETED THIS GOOD...damn h4x

its ludicrus we WANT to get hyped...we still have zero proof that this is leading to a game...but we have no proof it isnt....hell it would be predictable to announce a game at THQ's press conferance that kinda eliminates the entire dont know when its coming aspect of viral marketing, theyvedone their jobs were hyped and were curious, and as said by another poster they announce something and theyll be everonjes heroes again...i trust relic theyv not let me down yet.

APOC

[ChaosReigns]

Interesting, although I find it annoying that Buggo would publicly say that it was the OF Cathederal and then matter-o-factly state that it is not, only to leave us high and dry(or so it seems).

Dear God Relic! We're actually scrambling to spend our money for you, hoping that you give us a game which translates into a fifty dollar bill and you give us nothing? I find that irritating.

[sajuukar]

We have an overalll 45% failure rate once candidates reach our Air Traffic Control school because of what UJ is describing. No matter how much we try to teach them if they don't inately have a capacity to build and maintain a 3D mental model they will fail.
Whoa, so maybe we Homeworld players do have a reason to believe we are superior to the average gamer ;)

And while I can understand that Relic is now a big bad company that has to make big monies, maybe that's what will get them the notoriety they need to get people to buy a game they may have never heard of such as Homeworld.

You know, if this were the stock market, hope prices would be low... Ima have to buy all this hope that people are selling now that it's cheap... it'll make the gains that much better!

Gawd I hate Joe Average. Always keepin' the Homeworlder down.

[ChaosReigns]

I'll sell you my hope for ten dollars. ;)

[Pooey_Mess]

So she did post in here! I thought I had some grande hallucination. Why couldn't I find it!?

And like I was saying before, her mere presence was enough to turn up the hype.

I'm gonna go sleep and pull myself together now.

[ChaosReigns]

Maybe the Chaos Gods will grant me a vision while I sleep tonight...or it could just be a random dream redesign and a bunch of ambiguous hints. ;)

[cmstophe]

due thats like saying OMG RELIC MARKETED THIS GOOD...damn h4x

its ludicrus we WANT to get hyped...we still have zero proof that this is leading to a game...but we have no proof it isnt....hell it would be predictable to announce a game at THQ's press conferance that kinda eliminates the entire dont know when its coming aspect of viral marketing, theyvedone their jobs were hyped and were curious, and as said by another poster they announce something and theyll be everonjes heroes again...i trust relic theyv not let me down yet.

True, and it's good to have faith, but cut us some slack too. We just want our announcement already :p

[Logga]

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s k ex ce ll io

what words could you make with s,k,e,x,c,e,l,l,i and o?

kills, Kill, like, sex, coke, ok, sell, silk, lock, skill, cell, is, I, ski, lol and many more. Just thought I would show a different way of approaching this riddle;).

[Warp Holder]

Gimme a break. Patience? I'll tell you patience. 'Relic 2007'. Here we are, 7 months into 2007. E3, one of the biggest gaming expos all year and the most infamous, is about over. Nothing yet.

But not the only one.
s, k, ex, ce, ll, io
What were the names of those Dark Crusade players in Buggo's podcast?
They played in ex ce ll io - n Shrine, didn't they?

[ChaosReigns]

I think you guys are reading into this too much, I'm not particularly convinced. :(

[cmstophe]

But not the only one.
s, k, ex, ce, ll, io
What were the names of those Dark Crusade players in Buggo's podcast?
They played in ex ce ll io - n Shrine, didn't they?

Riiiight, let's start up our viral marketing campaign months before gaming events, but it just happens to be days before E3. :/

[Elukka]

The letters might just be random things added by the server - similar to how Imageshack adds a couple of letters after your filename.
This is all just guesswork, though.

[Warp Holder]

If there's another, better clue, I'll read it.

[Sanctum]

The letters might just be random things added by the server - similar to how Imageshack adds a couple of letters after your filename.
It just seems a little too coincidental for the letters to line up as "s k excellio", just one letter off from being "excellion". We'll find out when the image changes again, I guess.

[Warp Holder]

Seconded. Don't lose faith, brothers...

[cinlo]

Sorry just arrived, if the image has been changing. How long has it been taking for the image to change so far?

[Warp Holder]

Slightly more than 24 hours.

[n0z3k1ll3r]

But not the only one.
s, k, ex, ce, ll, io
What were the names of those Dark Crusade players in Buggo's podcast?
They played in ex ce ll io - n Shrine, didn't they?Stefan was one, so if the other started with k you might be on to something.

[Warp Holder]

It was David...
I was close, at least.

[Xan]

Stefan was one, so if the other started with k you might be on to something.
His name was David Kim. (http://forums.relicnews.com/showpost.php?p=1796923&postcount=1)

[Vengeance]

Homeworld -1 announced. :P Check Relic.com/waitiskillingus

[reki]

If those letters are an anagram, one of the words could be "exiles"....

Lock Exiles is the current mix.

[Ammon Ra]

One more for the homeworld corner!

We know they're doing something sekrit, but what that sekrit thing is, that is the juicy part. three main options:
a) warhammer related
b) homeworld
c) New IP.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

man, i hope for another homeworld. its all coming together it seems. remember a few months ago, about that rumor? cant remember exactly what it said. its a conspiricy i tell ya! lol...<Crosses fingers>

[Warp Holder]

UPDATE!
www.relic.com (http://www.relic.com/) changed again. New image name is "7n".
My theory's going well...

I calculate it changes every 24 hours, at 23:00-23:10.

[uPaLuPa]

It´s like zooming out.... isn`t it?

How long has been since the last change? :science:

[Warp Holder]

How long has been since the last change? :science:


I calculate it changes every 24 hours, at 23:00-23:10.

Yesterday.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

hmm. i just saw that change! its the same as the relic intro in games. zooming out...

look in the background, i think i sees something

[Dark Angel N00b]

To think i didnt want to go to sleep for fear of missing something!

At least the image has changed, theres a surprise, 7n...

[Shuma]

What's that Yellow thing in there? That's kinda new. and the Circle in the back....

[SRI-Sajuuk]

Photoshoping Now...

Complete. It appears as if that static line is moving up, the ring, i dont know yet....still working

[CommodoreKitty]

Yah, the yellow is the first new bit of color we have seen so far, and there is a halo-esque thing around the mind. What's up with that?


Haha, this is great:


<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Relic Entertainment</title>
<style type="text/css">
<!--
body {
background-color: #000000;
}
-->
</style></head>

<body>
<div align="center"><img src="7n.jpg" width="1088" height="900"></div>
<!--
look, fish!
-->


They have a sense of humor, them. Of new co-ordinates are... fish!

[Tempestus]

Holy Moley, is it just me or are they updating the mine picture faster than usual?

[Ammon Ra]

s k excellion

Seems like its DOW-related more and more.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

hmm...got nothing on the 7th pic.

[Tempestus]

It's funny.......the yellow ring isn't exactly behind the Relic Mine, if you look closely you can tell that it is actually on the outside of it. How did we not see that before? What do you think it could be?

[SRI-Sajuuk]

the mine isnt the center of that ring either

[Warp Holder]

It's funny.......the yellow ring isn't exactly behind the Relic Mine, if you look closely you can tell that it is actually on the outside of it. How did we not see that before? What do you think it could be?


Part of DoWII intro?

[SRI-Sajuuk]

hmm...i still want another homeworld. Hey wait a minute! doesnt homeworld use those kinda lines in the Animatics? the ring? overlaying the Hyperdrives? going out on a limb

[Tempestus]

If you ask me it looks like it's on a television set or supposed to be part of a trailer of some sort, not exactly just an assortment of pictures. Maybe it's false speculation, but we could be watching a trailer and not even know it (because it updates slow). The interference lines also more so support the idea.

[Atze]

this is madness!

"look, fish!" ... must ... convert ... into ... coordinates!

"Excellion" now quite clearly relates to something WH40k/DoW2.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

yeah, that crossed my mind too

[Homdax]

I still think they are out "fishing" for an original ww2 aquatic mine...:p

[Warp Holder]

If you ask me it looks like it's on a television set or supposed to be part of a trailer of some sort, not exactly just an assortment of pictures. Maybe it's false speculation, but we could be watching a trailer and not even knowing it (because it updates slow). The interference lines also more so support the idea.


The DC trailer/intro came to my mind... coincidence?

[SRI-Sajuuk]

I still think they are out "fishing" for an original ww2 aquatic mine...:p


ill buy\make one and take it too them with a large tank with seawater in it, if they just...make..another...homeworld..please oh great gods of relic! :Hail: :Hail: :Hail:


lol...

[sajuukar]

hmm...i still want another homeworld. Hey wait a minute! doesnt homeworld use those kinda lines in the Animatics? the ring? overlaying the Hyperdrives? going out on a limb
The hyperspace core was the first thing I thought of too!!! OMG dood!

[Warp Holder]

The outline of a planet.
Circle = the outline of a planet!

[SRI-Sajuuk]

The hyperspace core was the first thing I thought of too!!! OMG dood!

Sajuuk's think alike lol

whiping photoshop out again

[TheDeadlyShoe]

The yellow is just static I think. But the ring is reminescent of cartoony targeting systems, ala warhammer.

A fade into a planet is also a good though... or possibly just the classic pan-down-from-sun shot.

[Tempestus]

Maybe Relic went out on a huge limb here and just did everyone a favor by combining the best elements of Dawn of War and Homeworld to fit into a single game.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

or maybe they all are the guests lurking here, just laughing up a storm....just kidding. :jester:

EDIT: would there be anything useful about that whole page being about 100kb?

[Logga]

This is the best bit of news today :D! I think the yellow stuff might be the camera going above water? As for the circle thing it might end up as a planet.

[Alliance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excellion Excellion is a Transformer.

[Logga]

What about the s and k it can not be Stefan and Kim can it?

[TheDeadlyShoe]

o no, decepticon assault frigates

rusher111

*quits*

[Necronmaniac]

Well,

I am more convinced that it is related to DOW given the fact that the image letters spell "Excellion" although I am not too sure of the relevance of the S and the K.

Does anybody have a link to the scrambled image Buggo posted? I cant say I have seen it so this next idea is ABSOLUTE conjecture. However, if it was originally thought to be a cathedral, isnt it possible it could be a shrine? Then you would have Shrine & Excellion both involved?

[Melonplant]

what if those IP numbers are coords on excellion map...?

Edit: That scrambled pic was, I believe, confirmed to be from opposing fronts.

[Tempestus]

I doubt s and k are references to names, rather they are probably parts to a bigger whole. Once the picture moves again maybe we'll get two more words and be able to fit s and k into the mix.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

http://forums.relicnews.com/showpost.php?p=2050550&postcount=30
^buggoimage

[Zwebbie]

The yellow bar looks a lot as if it's part of the new site design. It had a yellow bar on top too, didn't it?

7n.jpg makes quite a cool desktop background, actually :)

[Logga]

7n.jpg makes quite a cool desktop background, actually :)

Each time it has changed I have had a new desktop :D.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

working on buggo's pic now

[Necronmaniac]

Hmmm,

Cant say I can make much out of the image "as is" in the post, does seem to have a very gothic appearance whatever it is, so could well be some DOW2 terrain.

Has anybody got any "cleaned up" versions of the image?

EDIT - Cheers Sajuuk

[TheDeadlyShoe]

there are a great number of clean up attempts in the linked thread but they never amounted to much

[SRI-Sajuuk]

ill try my best. i have a talent for photoshop.


meh, i just get a badly blured of what looks like some sort of machine like thing.

[Tempestus]

(http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=131384)

You can check out everyone's attempts from this thread, they aren't much as TDS said but they do give you a bit of a more clear image.

[Homdax]

well, not that it amount to much but is this javascript just some normal functions or has it got any trix to it (not very good at jscripts) ?

var blockedReferrer = 'blockedReferrer';

NS_ActualWrite=document.write;

// Popup Blocker -->

RanPostamble=0;

NS_ActualOpen=window.open;

function NS_NullWindow(){this.window;}

function nullDoc() {

this.open = NS_NullWindow;

this.write = NS_NullWindow;

this.close = NS_NullWindow;

}

function NS_NewOpen(url,nam,atr){

if((nam!='' && nam==window.name) || nam=='_top'){

return(NS_ActualOpen(url,nam,atr));}

obj=new NS_NullWindow();

obj.focus = NS_NullWindow;

obj.blur = NS_NullWindow;

obj.opener = this.window;

obj.document = new nullDoc();

return(obj);

}

function NS_NullWindow2(){this.window;}

function NS_NewOpen2(url,nam,atr){

if((nam!='' && nam==window.name) || nam=='_top'){

return(NS_ActualOpen(url,nam,atr));}

return(new NS_NullWindow2());

}

function op_stop() { NS_ActualOpen2=window.open; window.open=NS_NewOpen2; }

function op_start() { window.open=NS_ActualOpen2; }

function noopen_load() {

op_stop(); if(zl_orig_onload) zl_orig_onload(); op_start();

}

function noopen_unload() { op_stop(); if(zl_orig_onunload) zl_orig_onunload(); op_start(); }

function postamble() {

if(!RanPostamble) {

RanPostamble=1;

zl_orig_onload = window.onload;

zl_orig_onunload = window.onunload;

window.open=NS_ActualOpen;

}

}

window.open=NS_NewOpen;

document.ignore = new Object();


...and was it there before?
Note. it is not the Google urchin script...

[Melonplant]

I'll repeat. Pretty sure buggos pic was CONFIRMED as opposing fronts screen shot.

[SRI-Sajuuk]

Yeah, homeboy, thats been there. But it says Urchin script?

[Necronmaniac]

Melonplant,

Buggo has replied in this thread to say that the scrambled image is NOT an image of a cathedral from OF. It would seem that the mystery of the scrambled image goes on.

[Ammon Ra]

The rings, noise, and yellow noise look like they're superimposed on the mine.
sk excellion and a line of GPS coordinates that don't point anywhere in particular...yet.

*sigh* Spill the beans already, relic. Please?

[Homdax]

Sajuuk: This is another one linked in from the server directly via 127.0.0.1

[Tempestus]

No Melonplant, Buggo personally came on this thread and said that the picture had nothing to do with OF.

EDIT: everyone is posting too fast, haha

[SRI-Sajuuk]

yes, please! ill do anything! well, maybe not anything...

[TheDeadlyShoe]

No Melonplant, Buggo personally came on this thread and said that the picture had nothing to do with OF.

well, she said it wasn't a burning church from OF, which leaves virtually every other possibility still open :]

[SRI-Sajuuk]

found this: http://www.tech-faq.com/127.0.0.1.shtml

[Tempestus]

Are you friggin kidding me?

"Convincing newbie's to connect to 127.0.0.1 is a frequent joke on the Internet."

[SRI-Sajuuk]

relics playing mind games now

get it MINE games!.

woah, wait a second..

[Logga]

Guys just a bit off topic here but is this the BIGGEST thread ever?! 900+ replies 32,000 + views omg. So will the picture change in another 24 hours ?

[SRI-Sajuuk]

Probably. whens Relic's E3 thing?


EDIt: youve never been to Tanis have you?

[Tempestus]

So this will change in another 24 hours?

Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say because Relic updated the current picture earlier than usual.

[Vengeance]

Interesting...

[SRI-Sajuuk]

well, im calling it for tonight. Someone drop me a PM if they hear something.

[Antiloop]

I'm fairly convinced by now, that someone over at Relic are merely playing a mind game with our heads.
They are currently laughing their asses off.

[Tempestus]

well, im calling it for tonight. Someone drop me a PM if they hear something.


Yeah me too, I have a feeling that everything might be revealed tomorrow.....:p

[Antiloop]

Guys just a bit off topic here but is this the BIGGEST thread ever?! 900+ replies 32,000 + views omg. So will the picture change in another 24 hours ?
Kind of impressing considering he only thing that form the basis for the whole thread is a series of changing images on the homepage, lifted from the intro movie.

[the_voice]

I must admit Relic is good keeping their fans facinated.

That "look fish" is mostly a wink to the relic community, just because we are so mad finding some GPS coordinates in a homepage.

I was thinking about that, it may be not navigation coordinates but could be 4D positions (witdth, height, depth and time).

Anyway, it is fun to see such interest.

Peace :hippy:

[Melonplant]

Grr. I'm going to get myself employed at relic and as soon as i figure out what they're doing, im going to make a website dedicated entirely to me telling everyone everything.

Gimme 3 or 4 years.

[Endymion]

Hey this is so much fun! Just registered so that I could post my overwhelming desire for A NEW HOMEWORLD GAME! please please please.... PLEEEEAAASEEE RELIC!

has anybody tried http://www.lookfish.com/ ? it is probably nothing but take a look

[ani]

Well this is turning out to be quite epic.

Building hopes up for E3 and having them come to nothing (so far) has been a kick in the teeth but meh, it happens.

oh and haha at the original poster being locked out, we still dumb?

[redforth]

Can somoene give me all the coordinates given so far, I've got a hunch? hurry plz, sleep calls

I'm actually thinking the look fish thing means we're taking the bait, whatever that bait may be.

[fneep]

I have it! Relic is pioneering a new genre. MMPFBFRTS (Massively Multiplayer Online Frame by Frame RTS). We will keep getting new frames until we get to some sort of menu where the most clicks will determine which frames we get next.

Please Relic. Really big clue thanks. Scramble it as much as you want. Something really hard to ponder over. Make up for the lack of E3ness...

[yzi2]

Could any1 plz drop me a PM if something DOW orientated is announced, cuz I cannot follow all discussions here due to my business :S ? :)

[Nurizeko]

I honestly can't seeing Relic taking a huge risk on a game from now on out.

I suspect we'll see much more traditional games (gameplay wise) out of them in the future.

The guys at Relic are super smart, and are incredibly capable. I have no doubt they could make anything if they set their minds to it. However, I think that super smartness also applies to business sense. They're going to invest in making products that have a high probablity of making a good return.

Heck, even RTS games are too much for the casual gamer. Relic needs (financially) to make something in the first person. The Outfit was too much like an RTS to appeal to the mass market.

Agreed, as long as Relic are a somewhat successful developemnent house their going to take safe financially profitable decisions.

I'm sure they care about the IP allot, and they are greatful us lot really liked Homeworld and stuck with them through the early years as loyal customers, but, that won't get all the teenage DoW kiddies that they must rely on now for income.


I spose they could make a ground-based Homeworld Ip RTS, but then again, using your own IP can be considered a slight risk.

Like uber said, the average gamer wants everything done from them, they don't want to have to learn, they don't want to have to feel like they don't know the game. The modern gamer expects to to know or be told from the bat everything about the IP, and how to play the game, these are not the gamers of our youth.

In our young years we sought out the new and interesting, every game was a gateway to a awesome new challenging world. Every level was new, we didn't have intrawebs to just take the entire challenge out, we had to muddle our way through.

If WoW , Starcraft 2 and the likes are anything to go by, then innovation is dead.


Relic will still innovate, but it will always have to temper its ambition with financial viability.

Their games above all have to sell, and in large numbers.


Then again, whats stopping the community making a TC of Homeworld IP into another game engine?.

[Lord Simonicus]

Just a thought, but the first coordinates started at Relic HQ or "Home" & then proceeded to drift off across the "world"......

Anyway to get a 3 from "Look, Fish!"?

[Dark Angel N00b]

Has this been linked before?

It restores a little of my hope!
[/url][url="http://www.relicrank.com/bloggo/2007/03/28/alternate-reality-game/"]Buggo talks about ARG's (http://www.relicrank.com/bloggo/2007/03/28/alternate-reality-game/)

[Nurizeko]

ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO RESCUE THE MOTHERSHIP?

It'd be pretty amazing.

Hehe hells yeah, flying through fleets of vaygr with an interceptor pwning up battleships and dodging corvettes, sweet.

[Void]

Well, being the total Homeworld fanboy I am, I'm still hoping for HW3. That circle almost fits into the old Homeworld cinematics.

[Kronos]

It would be rather awesome in my books if the new game was a bit like Star Wars: Empire At War,except set in the W40k universe.You can have space battles which would be Battlefleet Gothic and play like Homeworld,and ground fighting which could be just regular Dawn of War fighting,and both of them interconnected.
To invade a planet you first have to control space around it done via Homeworld style space battles,then invade the planets surface and fight in a Dark Crusade style meta-map campaign.
Think about it,Homeworld in space,Dawn of War on ground,does it get much better without including toasters??

[runab0ut]

Did the Homeworld property get transferred already to RelicTHQ?

[fneep]

Coords so far as requested:


49.17.08.88, 123.07.06.00 | 1s.jpg (http://relic.com/1s.jpg)
49.32.55.89, 124.47.58.05 | 2k.jpg (http://relic.com/2k.jpg)
50.08.31.85, 127.46.48.26 | 3ex.jpg (http://relic.com/3ex.jpg)
51.41.58.63, 150.03.44.41 | 4ce.jpg (http://relic.com/4ce.jpg)
46.31.35.09, 175.56.54.28 | 5ll.jpg (http://relic.com/5ll.jpg)
42.15.07.18, 160.43.52.46 | 6io.jpg (http://relic.com/6io.jpg)
look, fish! | 7n.jpg (http://relic.com/7n.jpg)


skexcellion (http://forums.relicnews.com/member.php?u=46199) + Fish = ?

[Zwebbie]

Second coordinate of 3ex.jpg is 127.46.48.26. Fneep duplicated the first.

I can't help but shake the feeling that the fish are referring to the coordinates so far ending in the sea... But what relevance does it have? Are the fish special? Is there a wreck? Is it just a joke and are the fish what our quest from Relic HQ led to eventually?

[ani]

Fish could be referring to us and bait.

[Reaper]

Hello, everyone I am new to these boards. I just wanted to say that I have been reading these posts about the mysteries of the possible upcomming release of the next Relic game, "Praying for DOW2". Also I have read some post saying they saw letters like S K Excellion, what is that mean, I am sorry for being ignorant about it.

[Antiloop]

It would be rather awesome in my books if the new game was a bit like Star Wars: Empire At War,except set in the W40k universe.You can have space battles which would be Battlefleet Gothic and play like Homeworld,and ground fighting which could be just regular Dawn of War fighting,and both of them interconnected.
To invade a planet you first have to control space around it done via Homeworld style space battles,then invade the planets surface and fight in a Dark Crusade style meta-map campaign.
Think about it,Homeworld in space,Dawn of War on ground,does it get much better without including toasters??
That actually sounds pretty awesome I must say!

[redforth]

ok my hunch failed miserably, thanks for posting those fneep. *sigh* Time for bed, g'night people. gl on this

oh and to reaper, excellion comes from a map in DOW called Shrine of Excellion the letters of spell out excellion but no one knows what the sk is for.

I give up
skexcellion + Fish = The forestry sim starring the little brave toaster whos name is Steve Kaplowski Skexcellion, it'll be the greatest rpg/sim EVER!!!

[Reaper]

Thank You redforth

[Endymion]

well it would be so cool if we had ANY space combat rts be it either homeworld or WH40K! Come on Relic you had revolutionized the genre before why not do it again...Actually i am convinced that the coordinates given match the exile's path in Homeworld. Maybe someone should overlay the map of the HW universe on google earth and find out if there are any fish on the rest of the waypoints to look upon... Then we have proof :P

[Lord Simonicus]

If you punch look fish into a phone key pad you get 5665 3474
Could they be coords again?

[Riess]

Look, fish!

So, anyone remember the secret level in HW where the Mothership comes across a swarm of Space Mackerels, and you have to use GravGens and Salvettes to fish for them, using Target Drones as bait?

Yeah, me neither. But you gotta admit it would be pretty cool.

[Retroboy]

LOOK FISH = Hey, here's a little funny quip meant to denote that the place of interest is in the ocean and doesn't really have any other specific meaning beyond the coordinates themselves, or the map of lines that they draw. What it means is "There's fish here." Don't get distracted by it.
-------------------------------------
Each Relic page is a frame of the opening cinematic or a teaser trailer for the new game. The static overlay is the screen translating to a new picture.

We are now at the point where the Relic image is transitioning from the mine to something that truly describes the new game. A couple more frames and the goodies will truly arrive.

Going by hints that Uber has dropped in the past about a dev team working "in space", and further, by the incredible franchise strength of the Relic/GW partnership, I have a question:

Does "excellion" factor into the canon behind a possible Battlefleet Gothic game? Could S.K. be some acronym like Star Knights (like DOW = Dawn of War) or a ship designation?

-- Retro

[Stormsong]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excellion Excellion is a Transformer. Among other things http://forums.relicnews.com/member.php?u=46199
:p

[Hellraiser]

Fish? That could be anything, from a prisonbreak reference(fish was the new guy who just got locked up which would imply a new franchise) to I have no idea what.

BTW I noticed while looking at profile info that excellion has in interests written "lineage II"(a korean MMORPG), SK is an acronym for shiilen knight(a lineage II class). This could just be a coincidence.

[SquidDNA]

No, I think zwebbie is right. I think we're left in the ocean staring at fish because the letters are the real clue and the coordinates are a Red Herring.

[DeafMute]

I agree with Squid.

:jump: *To relic, who are having a great time*

:lurk:

[Starblade]

Relic loves to screw with us, don't they? :p

[grdja]

This is also an "Excellion" :)

Crap, no remote linking. Excellion was a name of a space ship in Gunbuster.

[Zwebbie]

Looking at 7n.jpg, I'm not actually sure if the whole thing is the start of an intro movie for a game. On the new site, wasn't there a yellow top bar? Wasn't there a circle in the middle with the mine in the middle? I wouldn't be surprised if these pictures were part of an animation that plays before you get onto the site, with the mine taking its place inside the circle... It would be very disappointing if that was all, however.

I suppose nobody has taken a screenshot of what the main page of the new site looked like?

[Stormsong]

"I suppose nobody has taken a screenshot of what the main page of the new site looked like?"
Yes, but don't ask me what page it's on. Bonnet posted it, I think...

[cinlo]

They might not be coordinates. I think the correct notation for longitude and latidude is **.** N/S **.** E/W where the first numbers are the degree north or south but the second is the minute of that degree, which is 0 - 60 and the first number has the point 08.88. So either the notation is wrong or they're not coordiantes.

... or I'm just wrong :p

[Retroboy]

I'm inclined to agree with you, Squid.

HIES BUGGO!!!!!11!1

-- Retro

[The5thElephant]

I dunno, I think pulling such a blatant red herring may be a bit unnecessary?

[Retroboy]

Whaddaya mean, "blatant"!? It was so skillfully and artfully concealed behind deliberate obviousness, it took almost an entire forum's participation to leap to a staggering plethora of wrong conclusions! :D

-- Retro

[Homdax]

That part about wrong conclusions hasn't been proved yet, my dear --Retro, or?

[Ammon Ra]

Oh, now this is cruel. no more IP GPS coordinate. Or rather, where are the last set of coordinates? They're somewhere in the pacific ocean wich makes sense for "look, fish".

Is relic making an aquaculture simulator now? Using mines to keep fish rustlers out and having to transport the fish from the middle of the pacific to vancouver for processing?

[WhiteGulls]

Does anyone have a screenshot of the new site before they took it down? I have a terrible theory, but I can't prove it without a screenshot. The circle could just be a slow fade-in of the new page, not anything for a new game, and I'd die inside if that was it.

[goldo_O]

I'm not sure there is anything else than this:
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8839/mysterycoincicdencept3.gif

[Dark Angel N00b]

This mine that we see on the frontpage is psychological warfare on us, i personally am going crazy.

[cmstophe]

Now I'm worried. I don't want a space combat game. I want DoW2.

[n0z3k1ll3r]

Quiet heathen.

[DatonKallandor]

honestly can't seeing Relic taking a huge risk on a game from now on out.

I suspect we'll see much more traditional games (gameplay wise) out of them in the future.

The guys at Relic are super smart, and are incredibly capable. I have no doubt they could make anything if they set their minds to it. However, I think that super smartness also applies to business sense. They're going to invest in making products that have a high probablity of making a good return.

I disagree. THQ, unlike most other publishers, takes risks. Just look at Supreme Commander - it's painfully obvious that the incredibly huge maps and hundreds of units (not to mention hardware hunger) overwhelms the casual gamers. But THQ not only allowed it to be made, they are making an expansion. As long as Relic is with THQ, non-standard games such as Homeworld are a possibility.

[Edgar Valen]

That yellow line looks alot like the scan the space marine does in the DC intro. ( 00:27 if you are watching the intro on youtube)

It does look like it is going to be a planet. Perhaps one of the three from the ending of DC?

Also, arent SM chapter symbols usually inside a circle? Depending on chapter and company colors? (Edit: Did some looking around and this doesnt seem to be the case. Gonna leave it up for clarification by more learned 40k fans)

[ÜberJumper]

Excellion is Samson Mow, I believe he's involved in the Relic Online project. Is there a chance that we missed an initial image, some letters before SK? Could be his Clan tag if he's got one. I bet it's going to be "SK-Excellion Was Here". ps. Samson's in Shanghai right now (until Monday, for this http://www.chinajoy.net/ and it looks to be work related) then is in thailand for 6 days starting Sunday.

Daton:

Relic won't be taking huge risks. Sure there'll be some cool new gamplay elements, but you have to admit that even Supcom is pretty standard PC RTS fare. It's 2D, so people get it.

[DatonKallandor]

Frankly, I don't think SupCom is conventional fare. Just look at it's predecessor - Total Annihilation. It was a complete failure, being barely known and universally ignored by the mainstream gamers. Yet they made a sequel, bigger and more demanding.

[Warp Holder]

For the people not knowing what s, k may mean.
I think it's Stefan Haines and David Kim, the DC players in Buggo's videos.
They played in ex ce ll io n shrine.

[under_score]

I just have the image of the Relic guys hunched round a computer writing things into the html code and pissing themselves with laughter.
Now i know they're up to something.
EDIT: It looks like lines of noise and inteference might replace the mine screen with whatevers next, so we just have to wait.

[Ammon Ra]

If there was an "a" infront of sk then it would become "ask excellion". So we need to ask excellion? Meaning, will he leak information about the NSP?

btw, TA wasn't really a disaster. Sure its not as popular as starcraft, but it was critically acclaimed and it was awarded the best RTS/game in the past decade on gamespy a few years back, meaning it got MORE votes than any other RTS game, including starcraft, which goes to show that while it might not have been a public success story, word of mouth and mature players recognized the Magic behind it. But thats going slightly off topic. Supcom is unconventional enough for most players not to get it or be able to play it properly due to hardware requirments. Also look at stalker, which was fresh and novel enough, a big risk on THQ's part (not enough polish in the end) and there is an expansion in the works for both supcom and stalker. THQ might not be interested in the expansion of stalker because it was too rough, but the expansion will learn on the mistakes and fix them to a large extent, imo.

THQ does seem to take risks, although how big a risk they're willing to take with relic only the higher-ups know.

[murphyj]

I believe S.K refers to engine tools.

[FallenOne]

Okay, here's a hunch.

Someone posted earlier asking whether anyone had taken a look at http://www.lookfish.com

That site is just a file source for a webpage; however, anyone think that "skexcellion" might be the User or Pass to access the content on that site?

Someone with more information or who is better at this stuff than me want to take a crack at it?

[Necronmaniac]

well,

if you try and access the private directory it asks you for a username/password. Excellion doesnt work though, unless excellion is the username and the co-ordinates are the password? Still, its also possible we are trying to hack some1 elses website! lol

[cmstophe]

Quiet heathen.

Because nobody else here is hoping for DoW2 and not a Homeworld wannabe, right?

[jedi hunter]

i want dow 2

[Ammon Ra]

I'm betting on lookfish.com and skexcellion having something to do with relic.
hmmm, what about the number?

1s.2k.3ex.4ce.5ll.6io.7n.

Lots of room for variations, and then there's still the GPS coordinates. Where is the line pointing at? Maybe that's part of the clue?
Either way, lookfish.com is going to have lots of people trying to get acces to it in the next few hours.

[Dark Angel N00b]

Lets not start an argument... I admit id rather it be DOW2, because if it was HW3 then id have to go buy the other three games in the series first, which would be a pain. (Ignoring a new Relic game obviously being out of the question.) Still, were not even 100% sure its a new game yet (Even though i am aware its quite likely :D)

It unnerves me how much the yellow bar atop the latest mine picture looks like the top of the new website, but then again, the circle with the mine inside wasnt THAT big.... Was it?

[cmstophe]

I bet Relic would feel really bad reading this thread knowing it's only a new site. :/

[Necronmaniac]

Hehe,

If it is nothing to do with relic, then whoever does own it is going to be wondering why the traffic to their site is so high when all you can see is a list of folders :P

Im curious now though as to if it IS something to do with Relic, then surely the information given must amount to the username/password to access that private folder!

[FriendlyFire]

The Registrant for Lookfish.com is completely meaningless.


Registrant:
APRnetwork

19360 Rinaldi St. #467
Porter Ranch, California 91326
United States

Created on: 22-Aug-03
Expires on: 22-Aug-08
Last Updated on: 25-May-07

I think we might be completely out of the track.

EDIT: I just noticed... The registration happened around a month after Homeworld 2 got released. Am I going mad? :rolleyes:

[Dark Angel N00b]

Yeah, cmon, the private folder was last updated in 2006, i dont think this is relics new project, or anything to do with it for that matter, but the owner of that site must be SO confused!

[Atze]

internic says the domain was created way back in 2003, and is registered via godaddy.com... I think we should not bother with this any more, let alone try to "hack" the private section, which is a stupid idea anyways.

Edit: FriendlyFire was quicker :)

[Belgarion]

Im still hoping for IC2 because the Relic Mine animation is at the start of IC. Im not sure if it is on Homeworld as I dont have that game.
BTW Fish is a creature. Impossible Creatures 2 FTW

[SRI-Sajuuk]

I personally never played DOW. ive always been a homeworld fan. But, hey whatever relic comes out with, im sure it'll kick ass. Also, on a side note. You think relic would be making a Space RTS like homeworld, since they dont thave the license to it?


Yes the relic mine is in the start of Hw and hw2