Homeworld Riddle Thread

[Random Person]

The southern polar region of Kharak? Nice, cool lands.

I bet DC wins.

[Riess]

Oh, I think I have it now. Hmm.
Am I allowed another guess?

[EarthBorn]

No and No.

Remember; The Place has a name. Just saying 'Southern Polar Region' or 'The Guidestone Room' doesn't work. ;)

EDIT:
Yeah Riess, Chip said you can make more than one guess.
P.S. : Your new avatar has left me confused. :haha:

EDIT 2: No, Starblade, it's not THAT obvious.

[Starblade]

Hiigara itself?

Where I stand/ Heat is killed/ by pleasant land: From Kharak to Hiigara.
The Truth came to me/ I saw reality: From Guidestone to Hiigara.

[Riess]

Sticking with my Majiir theme then: the Hunon Mountains.

[EarthBorn]

:disagree:
No.

[Riess]

Heh, then I'll pass for this round.

[Starblade]

Gehenna?

Truth referring to Oracle?

[Random Person]

And I steal DC's answer and say it be the Observatory Temple.

[Jianaran]

the Angel Moon?

[EarthBorn]

No, No and No.

Holy Sajuuk, is this really so hard to guess? :|
Hint 2: It's from Homeworld 1, only in the manuals.

[DatonKallandor]

Soban-Sa's village.


Daton

[EarthBorn]

A Name Daton. Not just "Soban-Sa's Village".
If it doesn't have a name, it is wrong.

EDIT: Daton, I mean to say that anything not having a proper name is not correct.

[DatonKallandor]

Soban-Sa's village didnt have a name. :bandit:
Possibly because he burned it to the ground anyway.


Daton

[aussieman]

Is it the Nabaal City of Tiir?

[EarthBorn]

aussieman Wins.

The correct answer is indeed the Kushan's Northern Modern Polar Capital of Tiir, the location of the Kharak Diamid.

Tiir was founded by the Nabaal on the nothern pole of Kharak, where the climate was pleasant.

Archeologist Sagald brought the Guidestone, aka 'The Truth' to Tiir, resulting in the Exiles eagerness for Hiigara, the 'Age of Reason' and the Unification of Kharak. Not the mention the construction of the Mothership.

Go Auss!

[Random Person]

Aw, foiled again.

[aussieman]

Ok here is my riddle:

We found Salvation
After a long Journey
Our Past Forgotten
And so were we

[Progenitor]

the Kushan race.:)

we found salvation: Kharak was salvation to them.

after a long journey: the long journey of exile from hiigara to kharak on board the prison ships.

our past forgotten: the kushan people forgot their past after landfall, this was stated VERY clearly in the game/manual.

and so were we: the kushan forgot their true heritage as hiigarans, thus they "forgot" themselves. Also, it might mean that the galactic council forgot about the Hiigarans after they were exiled to the rim of the galaxy.

[aussieman]

Projenitor has it.

btw the "and so were we" refferes to one of the terms of the Hiigarans Exile set by the Taiidan, all memory of them was to be erased.

Your up for a riddle.

[Progenitor]

Awakened, by insignificance of a larger power
Granted, war by raiders
Aligned, a defeated empire
Destroyed, by an asteroid's nightmare

:D

[atmawpn]

I'll give it a go and start the ball rolling. Hopefully it will help narrow down the possible answers. :D

Could it be the Taiidan Rebellion?

Awakened, by insignificance of a larger power - The Rebellion was awakened when Kharak burned. The larger power could be a reference to the atmosphere deprivation technology, since it makes no sense for the exiled Kushan to possibly to be a "larger power" than the Taiidan.

Granted, war by raiders - No idea on this one.

Aligned, a defeated empire - Refers to the Kushan, the defeated Empire. The rebels later allied with the Exiles at the Galactic Core.

Destroyed, by an asteroid's nightmare - Rebellious asteroid cities were ordered exterminated by Riesstiu when the Rebellion started. That, along with the Battle at Vorshan's Rift, almost destroyed the Rebellion completely.

This is probably wrong, but I just want to get one of the possible answers out of the way first. :)

[troff]

The Beast. :haha:Is the almighty Troff wrong? (probably yes).

Awakened, by insignificance of a larger power - awakened by the Somtaaw, one of the smaller Kiith

Granted, war by raiders - erm uh... pass?

Aligned, a defeated empire - The beast aligned with the defeated Taiidan empire

Destroyed, by an asteroid's nightmare - Destroyed by an asteroid's nightmare - Somtaaw are asteroid miners, or could refer to the Leech's and the Nomad moon

[Progenitor]

troff got it. :) we await your riddle.

and (Granted, war by raiders) refers to the turanic raiders, who attacked the kuun lan when she first released the beast. thus granting the beast warships and it's first war.

none of you remembered that? :D

[Starblade]

I got it when I read the thread, but by the time I had read it, Troff already guessed. Oh well.

[Fiirks]

I think I would be better at these if I had ever played HW:C or HW:2

But they're fun either way.

[Progenitor]

it's a day passed troff.

if you're not going to give us a riddle i'll choose another.:)

[troff]

Ok ok coming!

I'm gonna PM the answer to Progenitor, cause I won't have time to monitor this thread and I don't want to keep you guys waiting (and Progen will probably guess it anywayz)


I am he, who was nearly hunted to extinction.
I come from the surrogate world's southern wastes.
To kill me you must all attack with conviction.
I am deadly on land, and equally deadly in space.

[Enterprise-E]

It's the kharakid Skaal species

I am he, who was nearly hunted to extinction.
-as stated in the manual it was hunted by kharakian warriors near to extinction

I come from the surrogate world's southern wastes.
-southern deserts of kharak

To kill me you must all attack with conviction.
-strategy how to attack it, as described the same for the Taii destroyer (sorry for being short with these points, i dont wanna go and quote the original texts :-)

I am deadly on land, and equally deadly in space.
-reference to the Taiidan male and female destroyer duo, which when used in concert are effective against all types of attacking craft.

[troff]

Correct but specifically it is the MALE of the species thus Skaal Tel and not the female.

Guess that was too easy... ok your turn now...

[Enterprise-E]

i liked it. mine'll be much simpler.

i am so powerfull, just don't be behind me...
...or don't be too fast...
Fear the wrath of Your god,
For your capital ships shall perish in our deadly web

[Inert]

Considering some things... I'd have to say the Qwaar Jet. :D

"i am so powerfull, just don't be behind me..." - Qwaar Jet has poor coverage; attacking from the back ensures your safety.

"...or don't be too fast..." - The powerful turrets can't hit fighters, nor the ion cannons.

"Fear the wrath of Your god," - "Qwaar Jet" was the name of the god of pain and suffering on Kharak (or something along those lines). It's written in the Cataclysm manual.

"For your capital ships shall perish in our deadly web" - Web of crossfire of ions/turrets? I think I'll pass on this one...

There are some other ships that fit this description; however, I think the Qwaar Jet is the most likely... :)

[Fiirks]

Major problem with the taii cruiser is its poor coverage. But its damn cool looking.

[EarthBorn]

Ent just made it so easy since the Qwaar Jet was on his sig.

[Enterprise-E]

close, but no. i have hoped the first ones would guess Qwaar-Jet, but that would have been just too obvious for me. Look at the wording more closely

[aussieman]

Is it the infected Quaar jet in cata?

[EarthBorn]

I haven't guessed yet, but your clues point to a GODLY SHIP.

Our friendly godly ship is...THE SAJUUK.
Got that one from the 'web' part...Sajuuk's Point Defense Systems.

[Enterprise-E]

technically, Qwaar-Jet was much closer.
and no, not infected Qwaar-Jet, though that's one kickass ship too. Strategically by far the most fitting for me.

Hmm, my clue is, look at the ship descriptions more closely. Watch the phrases.

[atmawpn]

Since it's not Qwaar Jet, and it's not Sajuuk, and it's Enterprise posting the riddle, then...

... Vanaar Jet is my guess. Which is acceptable since DUST WARS is included in this riddle thread.

Vanaar Jet has, from your own descriptions, excellent point defences that would shred strike craft (AKA things that move too fast) and presumably, even anything that tried approaching from the rear. (The ion cannon tech used has very excellent coverage)

Meanwhile, capships would die pretty quickly since your Vanaar Jet is designed to be equivalent to the Hiigaran dread classes.

[Progenitor]

Is that the Sajuuk Cor taiidani ion cannon frigate?

i am so powerfull, just don't be behind me... [technically an ion cannon frigate is useless if the enemy is behind it, and it is VERY powerful considering weapons technology.]

...or don't be too fast... [ion cannons can't track fast ships properly.]

Fear the wrath of Your god, [Sajuuk is what the hiigarans/kushan call their god]

For your capital ships shall perish in our deadly web [might mean the web of ion cannon fire seen since the only way for an ion cannon frigate to take down larger capital ships was to hunt in groups.]

[Enterprise-E]

Congratulations, Progenitor got it!

Fear The wrath of Your god resembled Sajuuk-Cor's translation: God's wrath

and the thing with the deadly web was also directly taken from the description, where it was "...pin a capital ship in a web of deadly blue-white cutting beams..."

Now comes Progenitor's turn

Btw, Atmawpn im honored that You thought of the Vanaar-Jet :-)

[Progenitor]

Woe unto the fastest of your warships
For I engage them the first, of my brethen
Eternal damnation they face
As the past gains new life in my release

[EarthBorn]

The Missile Destroyer.

Woe unto the fastest of your warships
Strike Craft

For I engage them the first, of my brethen
Eternal damnation they face
Missiles do a lot of damage to them.

As the past gains new life in my release
???

[Progenitor]

close earthborn.:)

a small hint:
be more specific about the answer that you guess, as it may have many variants of itself. a hint is provided in one of the lines as to which one it is.

[Void]

Infected Qwaar-jet infecting Strike craft? :)

OR

'taaw Dreadnaught

Woe unto the fastest of your warships-
Missiles/infection beam loves little targets

For I engage them the first, of my brethen
Missiles/QJ can take a beating

Eternal damnation they face
Death/Beast

As the past gains new life in my release
Past-the missiles are an old weapon/beast

[Progenitor]

don't relegate a phrase that you think is just an addition to the overall riddle into the useless category.:)

you're both close BTW.

[Void]

Kushan "Perdition" Missile Destroyer - :)


perdition= eternal damnation..duh :)

[Enterprise-E]

As the past gains new life in my release
???

Missile destroyers introduced long outdated missile technology again, because of their ability to produce them internally, in the midst of combat. This made missiles effective again, as the ship wasnt rendered useless after firing it's initial load of missiles.

[Progenitor]

correct E-E, on the explanation.

Void got the right answer. we await your riddle.:)

[Void]

Small among my kin,
My original purpose harmless,
I can now bring down the mightiest of foes.

pretty easy :)

[DatonKallandor]

Probe Bombing - we had that already though.


Daton

[Void]

nope

[EarthBorn]

A Salvage Corvette?

[Void]

no :)
Hint?

[atmawpn]

Somtaaw Mimics?

Small among my kin: Self-explanatory

My original purpose harmless: Mimics were used originally to infiltrate enemy fleets and orbital bases.

I can now bring down the mightiest of foes: Quantum explosive charge, anyone?

[Starblade]

The Leech?

Small among my kin: Smallest of the Somtaaw starships.
My original purpose harmless: You had to research further to allow certain Leech activities, or so the research log says.
I can now bring down the mightiest of foes: The Leech vents the armor off the ship, eventually obliterating it.

[Void]

Yes, the leech.

"My original purpose harmless" - it was first developed for core sampling of asteroids (or so shipyards tells me)


/me gives the riddle-stick to starblade

[Progenitor]

Starblade, it's almost a day passed.:)

[Starblade]

I'm right here Proggy. Just trying to think of one that isn't too easy to guess. :D

Let's see:

Exploded, exploded, exploded, exploded, mauled; succeeded.

[Void]

When the kuun lan is sabotaged? A bunch of modules exploded, i think, and then it withstood some beating.

After then, you wtfpwn all those pesky imperials

[Starblade]

I came in thinking 'God damn it, Void got it already'. But fortunately (for me), that's not correct.

:p

[EarthBorn]

The Explosion of the Bentus?

I donno, just a guess. And is there any reason you put 'exploded' four times?

[Fiirks]

I'm thinking along the lines of four things that explode, in doing so maul something and then succeed in crippling it.

Perhaps a research scuttle on a battle ball? If you look at it, the ships explode individually when you scuttle it. Usually it won't take out all the fighters or even kill any of htem, but you do mess them up pretty bad, if its close enough you succeed and then can go blast the bleeding fighters with your own ships.

[Starblade]

No, and no. It's rather vague (because any more specific would give it away), so, if by tomorrow or something you're all off on some wild tangent, I'll modify it slightly.

[Void]

The cryo trays? (if you manage to save only two) four of them explode, one is damaged and one succedes without a scratch :) I dunno, it's too vague

[Starblade]

Here's a little helpful hint then.

Exploded, exploded, exploded, exploded, mauled, repaired; succeeded.

[Progenitor]

progenitor dreadnaught?

it exploded and exploded and exploded because of the misfire, it was repaired, and it succeeded in bringing the fight to the vaygr.

[EarthBorn]

I'd like to make one suggestion for this thread: Don't give hints early. If the riddle is slightly difficult and takes many guesses to solve, let it last.

Otherwise, we will have something like Three riddles a day and many people who read this thread will not get the chance to solve them.

[Enterprise-E]

It's the Kushan blade mk5 interceptor.

First 4 versions sucked, and eventually got destroyed, on verision 5 the wings got cut off (thus mauled), and as we all know, version 5 succeeded.

[Archangel of Death]

Otherwise, we will have something like Three riddles a day and many people who read this thread will not get the chance to solve them.Like me!

(hoping to update this spot with an answer soon)

[Chip_Ayten]

i was thinking the same thing

[Starblade]

(My 'hint' was me actually forgetting to type the word 'repaired' in the first time around. But that's okay.)

Anyway, Enterprise-E got it, and the reasons given were spot on.

[Enterprise-E]

heh, solving a riddle is one thing, inventing a new one is something different, and by far more difficult for me. So let's try to put together something worthy, and sorry if it's sub-standard.

Carried by Kushani's nightmares
Will i turn You to the dark side...
Immortality or painful death,
Depends on how You decide.

[Random Person]

The beast?

Carried by Kushani's nightmares: Ummm.
Will i turn You to the darkside...:They can infect and turn you into on of them.
Immortality or painful death,: If you are infected, you are imortal, if not, you die most likely.(?) Depends on how You decide.:Ummm.

[aussieman]

ok this is gonna sound random, but what about the Kushans (or old Hiigarans) hyperspace core?

Carried by Kushani's nightmares - The nighmare of being defeated and Exiled.
Will i turn You to the dark side... - The Bentuosi said that the old Hiigarans were consumed by the great war and soo turned evil in a way.
Immortality or painful death, - being hooked to the core coould give you immortality if done properly or it could kill, you. It could also be imortality as in history and painful death say when the headshot meteor went for the mother ship or when any enemy went for it.
Depends on how You decide. - The desicions of where to jump and the decisions of fleet command during battle.

[Fiirks]

Carried by Kushani's nightmares Obviously the beast.
Will i turn You to the dark side... Being infected
Immortality or painful death, You can hit the kill switch on your ship if you're infected, probably not fun
Depends on how You decide. your choice to hit it.

But I'd say the other guy got it already.

[Enterprise-E]

The Beast ones were close, but i thought on a more specific thing, not just Beast in general.

[General Nuke Em]

Carried by Kushani's nightmares - Somtaaw's fears of being irrelevant post landfall
Will i turn You to the dark side... - FeEd nOW
Immortality or painful death, - plasma death vs. beast
Depends on how You decide. - hit the kill switch or not

Naar Directive?

[Enterprise-E]

Not the Naar Directive, sorry.

[Archangel of Death]

Is it the Naggarok?
Carried by Kushani's nightmares The Imperialist Taiidan, who helped repair the Naggarok. Bit of a stretch I admit.
Will i turn You to the dark side... Beast infect, of course.
Immortality or painful death,
Depends on how You decide. The ultimatum it gives you.

[atmawpn]

I was just wondering if it could be possible to get this thread Vaulted? :)

[EarthBorn]

Yeah, if many people agree with you. (I would).

I'd say, let this thread go on for a few more weeks.

[Progenitor]

Is it the Beast cruise missile?

Carried by Kushani's nightmares: the missiles resembled those fired on kharak, which sterilised the world and was the single most devastating "nightmare" for the kushan people.
Will i turn You to the dark side...: Beast infection.
Immortality or painful death: infection grants immortality, but capital ships that are immune to infection suffers massive damage when the missile impacts.
Depends on how You decide: uhh..?

[Enterprise-E]

Not cruise missile, but quite close.

[Void]

I think it's the infected qwaar jet

Carried by Kushani's nightmares
Qwaar Jet/God of Pain. Duh
Will i turn You to the dark side...
Beast Infection
Immortality or painful death,
Qwaar jet owns damaged cap ships
Depends on how You decide.
You can always flee right? It's pretty slow.

[Random Person]

The beast infection beam?

[Enterprise-E]

Random Person got it! He's next.

[Random Person]

(O_O)

I am the cornered beast's talon.
But in the end,
I do little.

Yep, I like blue.

[EarthBorn]

Blue is not permitted. Follow the Pattern. ;)

EDIT:
OK Then..

[Progenitor]

Nomad Moon.

I am the cornered beast's talon.: metaphorically speaking the nomad moon was the last ditch weapon for the republican taiidani (thus talon), who were being wiped out one by one (thus cornered beast).
But in the end,
I do little.: in the end it did little to help in the war.

[Random Person]

:( I like blue.


Sorry, not the Nomad Moon.

[Chip_Ayten]

Blue is not permitted. Follow the Pattern. ;)
its not really such a big deal

[Void]

Lord class carrier?

[Enterprise-E]

hey, wheres all the explanations lately?

[Busby]

The Taiidan Mother ship?

I am the cornered beast's talon: The mother ship was the pride the the Imperial Taiidany fleet, (the Talon) and the empire was cornered.

In the end; I did little: It didn't do much over then carry the Emperor to his death.

(Sorry about spelling)

[Progenitor]

the kamikaze asteroid?


I am the cornered beast's talon: the taiidan empire was like a cornered beast, with their last ditch attempt to stop the kushan incursion, the kamikaze asteroid.

In the end; I did little: it didn't help the taiidani much since the kushan still managed to arrive at hiigara.

[Starblade]

The Taiidan Missile Destroyer's Missile?
"The cornered beast's talon". The Skaal-Fa (spelling, probably), would fling talons/needles at the enemy when in battle.
"In the end; I did little". Taiidani Missile Destroyers were few and far between, iirc.

[Random Person]

Sorry, none of those, though Starblade's makes some sense.

Want a hint?

[Void]

Defender?

I am the cornered beast's talon
the Seejur shield had three spikes on it

In the end; I did little
Not very good in lategame

[Random Person]

Nope.

[Void]

Light/heavy vette?

They were crucial when the Kushan were 'cornered' by the turanics in the first part of the capaign, but they were later replaced by multigun corvs

[Starblade]

The Beast's Infection Beam?

Cornered beast's talon: The Beast's infection beam shot out of a red, talon shaped appendage on the ship.

In the end, I did little: Immunities were made, the Naar directive, the Siege Cannon, and from Super Capital Ships and up it had little to no effect. In the beginning, however, it was unstoppable, with even a Bentusi Tradeship succumbing to it.

[Void]

In the same way, the Cruise missle could work.

[Random Person]

Nope, and Starblade, I'm not THAT unoriginal. And Void, you're geting close.

[Void]

With which answer? :)


Anyway, Scout?

[Random Person]

Nope.

[Enterprise-E]

only 1 guess per riddle, Void, please stand down now.

[Fiirks]

It says you may guess multiple times, just not in a spamming manner.

[Random Person]

Hint?

[tehashi]

The atmosphere deprivation missiles Maakan used?

I am the cornered beast's talon
Maakan's last ditch effort to strike at the Hiigarans

In the end; I did little
Didn't do much because the Hiigarans were able to intercept them.

[Deionarra]

The Naggarok?

I am the cornered beast's talon.
The last ship the beast have to throw at you..
But in the end,
... at the end of HW:C ...
I do little.
... isn't much of a threat since you get the ion fighters from the Bentusi to annihilate it with.

[Random Person]

Nope. But teh is close.

[Fiirks]

Multibeam frigates. They throw them at you in the last of hte kadesh missions once you start to really pwn them. If you're decent *cough Mailpup you can salvage them all, and if your'e lousy you can still kill htem easily.

[tehashi]

The ship that launches the AtmDep. missiles then?

[Random Person]

Nope. And teh, colder.

[Busby]

The atmosphere deprivation bombs that the taiidan used on the -place the hiigarans were exiled to that I can't spell?-

[Chrome]

Makaan's T-MAT.

They fit all the riddle's lines: They were Makaan's last-ditch effort to win the war.

They were seen only at the end of HW2.

And in the end...they didn't do zip because of the Sajuuk's Phased Cannon Array being the only thing that could get them.

When you said teh was close, but when people started citing the ADW missiles, I knew it had to be those T-MAT.

[MetalDragoon83]

Sajuuk

I am the cornered beast's talon.
It was the last thing to help the hiigs save their race

But in the end,
End of HW2

I do little.
All sajuuk did was kill 3 T-MAT ships.

[troff]

Interesting guesses all! - which brings up a point about double-meanings and vagueness in the riddles (to all budding riddle-writers - including me - do try to make them focused).

I am the cornered beast's talon.
But in the end.
I do little.

I have to go with either Sajuuk or T-Mat ships (but my money is on the T-Mats) as guessed before...

[aussieman]

Is it Makaan's Dreadnaught?

I am the cornered beast's talon. - cornered beast= Makaan, talon= Dreadnaught
But in the end. - When Makaan was dying
I do little. - the Dreadnaught in my game did very very little...cause i blew it up first. :p

[Progenitor]

i'll go with the T-MAT ships at the end of HW2.

they look like talons.

but they did very little in terms of ending the war at hiigara, those missiles were useless.

[Inert]

Clee-san?

I am the cornered beast's talon. - Well first off, the word "beast's". Talon in the context could mean "best ship", or something along those lines.

But in the end,/I do little. - In actuality, it didn't do much. We got it back afterwards, or the crew anyways.

[Random Person]

None of those.
Hint #1: Think cutsceans.

[Riess]

Hmmm. The Emperor's Mindblast weapon?

[Void]

Kharak Missile Defence System!

[Enterprise-E]

The imperial Taiidan allies of the beast, or specifically their flagship "Vengeance".

Cornered beast's talon: In the final battle when the beast was "cornered", it wanted the imperials to help.

in the end i do little: they didnt attack, they claimed "The Taiidani are no ones fools"

[Random Person]

Void got it, or well, remove the Kharak and you got it. Close enough.

[Progenitor]

care to explain why he got it?

i'm still boggled as to why it's the right answer.

[EarthBorn]

Yeah, please try and provide an explaination for you answer. It makes the thread all the more interesting.

[Starblade]

If I may?
"Cornered beast's talon": Kharak's only real line of defense against the attacking Taiidani.
"In the end, I did little": Kharak still burned.

[Deionarra]

Well that would make some kind of sense Starblade but he said "remove the Kharak and you've got it" so it's some other missile defence system.

I'm confused ...

.. Unless it's Hiigara's missile defence system which you see firing in the cutscene before mission 3 in HW2?


Children of Hiigara .. you are beaten.
This sector is now under my control. Stand down and prepare for Vaygr occupation.
I have come to claim what is mine.
Return the second core and I will spare your homeworld.
At this point you see the Hiigarans fire missiles from the ground to try and hold off the Vaygr.

However it should be noted that they did help hold off the Vagyr forces long enough for the Pride of Hiigara (Hiigara's real last line of defence) to come and save the day.

[Progenitor]

Cornered beast's talon

there's a problem with this line if it's referring to the Hiigarans or Kushan. since neither of them can be effectively labelled as "beasts" in any way - whether factually or metaphorically.

[Starblade]

I think that's in reference to the Skaal beasts on Kharak, whose talons (or whatever they flung) are compared to the missiles on the Taiidan Missile Destroyer.

[Progenitor]

but it was referred to as the talons of a cornered beast. if it was in reference to the taiidani missile destroyer, it holds nothing with any kushani/hiigaran defense system.

[Random Person]

It is missile defence systems. Not any specific one, just them as a whole.

I am the cornered beast's talon.: Cornered as in last line of defence, the beast is the planet that is cornered, talon being that they can do some dammage.
But in the end,:v.
I do little.: Against almost any determined foe they will do little to stop them.

[Starblade]

It's been a day, I believe, and Void hasn't given a new riddle. Care to choose another, Random?

[Riess]

The limit was set at two days, 'blade. One to go. That said....
Void, get'cher ass movin' and write!

[Starblade]

Oops, somehow I got to thinking it was one. My mistake.

[tehashi]

>.> ... <.< .....
o.o'

where did everyone go? no one going to declare a new person to make a riddle?

[MetalDragoon83]

It's Void's turn, but he hasn't turned up to make one so I think Random gets to pick someone now I believe. Unless Void shows up and.... well.... fills the void here. :rolleyes:

[Random Person]

It's teh's turn.

[EarthBorn]

Go, teh.

[tehashi]

Ok here ya go. May be easy but it's my first time.

The flame, the hammer, the pier.
Winking, glittering, calling you near.
But heed my warning, or you will find,
The dangers lurking in the brine.

[Random Person]

The Oracle and it's movers?

[tehashi]

nope

[Inert]

The naggarok beacon?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. - Kuun-Lan (purifying flame), er... no clue, the hangar.

Winking, glittering, calling you near - It's a distress beacon.

But heed my warning, or you will find,/The dangers lurking in the brine. - Uh... the beast?

[Busby]

The guardians of the Garden?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. Hiigara?
Winking, glittering, calling you near. The whole point of leaving.
But heed my warning, or you will find, The guardians told the Hiigarans to leave or join them.
The dangers lurking in the brine. They will die for trespassing over-wise.

[Unk]

The Bentusi?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. - I do remember them giving the Kushan the technology to build Firelance frigates (the flame) and they have a harbour ship (the pier?)

Winking, glittering, calling you near - They helped out a lot in locating Hiigara.

But heed my warning, or you will find,/The dangers lurking in the brine - They warned the Kushan about the nebula. The Kushan ignored the warning and ran into the ghost ship on the other side in the aptly named Sea of Lost Souls (the brine?)

[tehashi]

no, no, and no. sorry all.

[Starblade]

The Bushan-Re?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. -Republican Naval Base Alpha, where the Nomad Moon was built and docked at.
Winking, glittering, calling you near. -The Kuun-Lan is heading for it.
But heed my warning, or you will find, The dangers lurking in the brine. -The Bushan-Re, if I remember correctly, warned you about the Nomad Moon and the dangers lurking in the brine are the Beast ships waiting in ambush. Of course, this is assuming 'brine' is to go with 'Naval'.

[tehashi]

I am sorry everyone. After re-reading the rules on the first page i realized that my riddle was invalid. I did not follow the rule declaring that both the subject and the riddle are to be from Homeworld. My riddle was based in the old style naval era, but was about Homeworld. i appologize about that.
Here is a revised riddle, hopefully this one followed the rules better. [still influenced by old times though ;-) ]

The flame, the hammer, the pier.
A tombstone to the bones buried here.
My secrets are guarded with a glittering glare,
My heights watch over more than you're aware.

[Aesaar]

The Karos Graveyard?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. umm pass
A tombstone to the bones buried here. The ships drifting everywhere.
My secrets are guarded with a glittering glare, Watched over by the Keepers and the Junkyard dog.
My heights watch over more than you're aware. More than just shipwrecks are here, the Dreadnaught, among other things.

[tehashi]

very close but not specific enough.

[Fiirks]

The huge relics in the background of Karos?

The flame, the hammer, the pier. Names of various derelict files
A tombstone to the bones buried here. The ships in the yard
My secrets are guarded with a glittering glare, Gaurded over by the Keepers and the Junkyard dog.
My heights watch over more than you're aware. The main bit of clue, talking about the huge metal(?) structure in the background.

[Starblade]

The Progenitor Foundry/Wreckage in the Karos Graveyard.

The first line relates to its construction capabilities.
The second line relates to it being the only thing 'alive', on first glance.
The third is relating to the 'eye' of the Keepers and Movers (and Dawg, perhaps?)
The fourth line relates to the secrets hidden in the Graveyard.

[tehashi]

Again close but no.

[Fiirks]

Bah, and I thought we had it.


Edit 3: The comms station hidden in the junyard office?

[Starblade]

Oh, I see. It's the Lighthouse, the one the Pride of Hiigara is led to by the Oracle. 'MY secrets', 'MY height' are referring to a specific location/entity.

[tehashi]

Yay! You got it Starblade. i was beginning to be worried. My first post was trying to be about an old time lighthouse but this one was a little more HWized.

The flame, the hammer, the pier.
- Flame = lighthouse, Hammer = Forge, Pier = Docking are for Dreadnought -- 3 parts fo the ship

A tombstone to the bones buried here.
- Karos Graveyard, and also it is at the head of the scattered wrecks

My secrets I guard with a glittering glare,
- Guarded by movers.. little glittering....ok that was a stretch.

My heights watch over more than you're aware.
- holds location to dreadnought

[Starblade]

My turn yet again. :D

I discovered what led them the farthest from their homes that they will ever be, through nothing but gas and wasteland. I found the truth, and they paid for it with their lives, sacrificing all that they had for one goal. Whether they will meet that goal, I won't live to see; my frail shell of a body will have broken and I will have died.

[Deionarra]

ARG!!

The powerful radar satellite that was built to look for debris belts in the Kharak system but a malfunction in its maneuvering jets caused it to turn on Kharak where it detected the ruins of Khar-Toba.

If I'm right it means I need to think of a new riddle now. :rage:

Edit:

I discovered what led them the farthest from their homes that they will ever be, through nothing but gas and wasteland.
The Khar-Toba was originally the prison ship that took the exiles from Hiigara. The satellite discovered the first city on Kharak that had been formed around the ship's wreck that had landed in the great desert.

I found the truth, and they paid for it with their lives, sacrificing all that they had for one goal.
It led the Kushans to put aside everything else and concentrate all their efforts on building the mothership that would take them back to their homeworld.
Because of this Kharak was destroyed by the Taiidan Empire.

Whether they will meet that goal, I won't live to see; my frail shell of a body will have broken and I will have died.
The satellite would most likely have been destroyed in the destruction of Kharak.

[Starblade]

I was really hoping that all those double meanings would throw you off, but it apparently didn't work. In hindsight, though, I think the last part of the riddle (after the semicolon) gave too much of it away (it was destroyed, if not salvaged as scrap for the Mothership/Scaffold, by the Taiidan presumably, as 'not even beacons' were emitting any sort of signal but the damaged Cryo Tray). But yeah, you're right.

[Deionarra]

Don't kick yourself, it was certainly as good as the one I was going to do.

I only got it because I was going to do almost the exact same riddle .. now I need to come up with a plan B. :)

[Starblade]

Heh, what were the odds of that happening?

[Random Person]

1 in ?

[Deionarra]

Ok, it's probably far too easy but what the heck;

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy.
But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price!

[Unk]

Teh hipperspak k0re!!!!!!1111

"...carve a path across the galaxy." - The act of FTL travel itself.

"But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price!" - Uses a lot of energy, and needs resources (to tactical jump at least).

[Deionarra]

Good guess but that's not it. :)

[Progenitor]

The Far Jumper core?

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy: the core is focused when it is engaged, metaphorically speaking. whether it is positively charged in that state i don't know. however, it moves ships and entire fleets across vast distances, thus the "carving" a path across the galaxy.

But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price!: the core is power hungry, thus the need for resources to jump (HW1).

[Deionarra]

Again good guess but not right. :)

[EarthBorn]

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy.
But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price!

The Vayger?
They carved a path across the Galaxy, or at leat Mak did.
To stop them, the Second core must be given to them or else...

[Deionarra]

Another good guess but not the answer I was looking for.

[Inert]

The Kushan mothership?

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy. Uh... yeah. Journey. Thing.

But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price! In the manual, before Karen's idea, the mothership used a bridge-like crew. It soon grew up to hundreds and was completely inefficient. And, yeah. Karen + mothership = solved.

[jonl90]

Sajuuk?

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy.

Sajuuk was a focused and positive Commander/Ship? and long ago influenced the Galaxy. But now has to be unlocked by one or the other.

But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price!
Requires the Three Hyperspace Cores. You have to use and dedicated alot of resources and ships and loose some just to get Makaan's Core and Bentus' core all-together.

I dunno, I was thinking a few other things, but this made the most sense to me.

[Deionarra]

Nope, keep guessing people. :)

[Unk]

Ion Cannons!

I remain focused and positive as I carve a path across the galaxy. - They use a focussed beam of positive ions.

But I am power hungry, to tame me you must pay the price! - Ion frigates have no other weaponry due to the massive power requirements of the ion cannon.

[Starblade]

Unkn0wn posted my answer. :(

I always thought Ion Cannons used negative ions, but then, that wouldn't make sense as you're adding to the ion, not taking away.

[Fiirks]

Oh I don't know, if its negative it would have extra electrons dumped onto the ions which would explain why they are so power hungry. I always figured they were negative ions, but that was just my thought.

[Chip_Ayten]

postive ions are particles that have lost one or more of their electrons (Li+,Na+,Ag+)
they are usually metals

negative ions are particles that have gained one or more electrons (F2+,O2+,I2+)
usually non metals

cmon people chemistry 101 here

[Busby]

No... Negative ions are marked by - symbol such as F2-, + means that it has more protons then electrons, while - means it has less protons then electrons.

[Unk]

SCIENCE

Some things are easier to positively ionise than than negative. Hydrogen goes positive for example, while something like oxygen tends towards negative.

/SCIENCE

It sayas in the HW documentation that they use positive ions htough.

[Busby]

So.... Ion Cannons shoot metal ions (since they are usually positive)?

Makes more sense I guess.

[Unk]

Busby - More likely hydrogen. There's plenty of that in space and its use in the fusion reactors anyway.

[Busby]

Sure, lets go with that!

[Deionarra]

Yep, Unknown got it, the answer is Ion Cannons. His reasoning is spot on as well. :)

to tame me you must pay the price!
Could have also refered to the fact that the Kushans buy the technology to build their first practical Ion cannons from the Bentusi.

That was Unknowns second guess though so I don't know if it counts, I'll let Earthborn decide on that one.

[EarthBorn]

As long as the answer is right, he gets it. :)
You can guess more then once if you do not do it in a spam-ish way.

[Fiirks]

Hydrogen makes sense. Proton beams hurt!

If you strip the electron off a hydrogen you're left with naught but a nasty little proton, imagine what it would do to get hit with a ton of those flying around at near light speed. ouch!

Of course, they could ionize a heavier isotope of hydrogen, maybe deuterium or even tritium to get a heavier particle to impact.

[EarthBorn]

Maybe you should start a new thread, "How Ion Cannons Work".
Keep that off this Riddle thread please.

[GRODON]

Lol

[Chip_Ayten]

No... Negative ions are marked by - symbol such as F2-, + means that it has more protons then electrons, while - means it has less protons then electrons.
i knew that, typo

[Starblade]

That, and F2 is a gas, not an ion, iirc.


Could have also refered to the fact that the Kushans buy the technology to build their first practical Ion cannons from the Bentusi.

I didn't even think about that. That's pretty clever!

[Deionarra]

You can guess more then once if you do not do it in a spam-ish way.
Yea, that sounds fine by me. His first guess was a bit of a reflex reaction while he'd obviously thought out his second answer more carefully.

Your turn Unkn0wn. :)

[Unk]

Thanks. I wasn't spamming on purpose. Honest :).

Now then...

As we danced millions died
Yet you lived on.
We came back to finish the job
But the job finished us.

Who are we?


Bit easy I know, but have at it anyway.

[jonl90]

Bentusi/Bentus?

As we danced millions died
Bentusi were doing trades and stuff throughout the galaxy, while the Kushan people on Kharak died from the initial attack by the Taiidan

Yet you lived on.
The Kushan lived on after they made landfall on Hiigara

We came back to finish the job
While PoH was under-siege of the Keepers, Bentus helped the Hiigarans through their last stand, fixing the Dreadnought.

But the job finished us.
Bentus had to sacrifice itself, the last of the Bentusi, to rid the Keepers from the PoH.

Who are we?
Answered in everything else above.

[Unk]

Good answer, but it's not right. If loads of people are getting stuck I can post a second verse of the riddle, but i'd like to let a few people have a crack first.

[Starblade]

I'll guess that it's the Atmospheric Deprivation Missiles used to destroy Kharak, and are presumably the same ones used to attempt to burn Hiigara.

As we danced millions died- As the flames danced, Kharak burned and millions died.
Yet you lived on. -The Mothership and the Cryo Trays.
We came back to finish the job -The Vaygr's newly acquired Planet Killers, iirc, used the same kind of missiles as were used on Kharak.
But the job finished us. -They failed this time around.

[Unk]

Nope.

Postcount := Postcount + 1

[troff]

As we danced millions died - When the Higaaran empire was defeated due to Bentusi intervention, the Taiidan celebrated

Yet you lived on- They were sent to Kharak for punishment

We came back to finish the job - When they got wind the HW1 mothership jumped, they came back to burn Kharak

But the job finished us - Ended up the Higaarans ended up taking over the Empire after killing the Emperor

Who are we? - The Taiidan/Kushan empire

[Jianaran]

As we danced millions died- no idae
Yet you lived on. - they didn't kill the kushan
We came back to finish the job- they helped the beast
But the job finished us- the beats infected them

[aussieman]

Troff got it i reakon but i cant get "As we danced millions died", they really didnt dance but they were trying to pick up the peices from the hiigaran attack.
And the Hiigarans didnt really live as a nation as they became the kushan after generations.

but my random guess would be kiith Manaan as:
As we danced millions died - They danced at the Ferin-Sha while the war was on, but not really millions though.
Yet you lived on. - The Manaani werent attacked at the Ferin-Sha for most of the war.
We came back to finish the job - Well the Siidim attacked and slaughtered all the people there.
But the job finished us - The Manaani then took up the swords and became a real threat to Siidim holdings that boardered the desert.

So I say Kiith Manaan.

[EarthBorn]

Troff, you made two guesses.

[Progenitor]

The Imperial Taiidan Empire.

As we danced millions died: the Empire was rejoicing [dancing] when they got the green light to go ahead and genocide the hiigarans, until of course, the bentusi intervened.

Yet you lived on: yet the hiigarans lived on as the exiled Kushan.

We came back to finish the job: the taiidan went to Kharak to "finish the job" of destroying the hiigaran race.

But the job finished us: the attack on Kharak led to the Kushan's revelation that the taiidan empire existed, and through that attack, the Kushan would start the invasion of the Empire, ultimately destroying it [thus finished them off].

[Unk]

None of you have it yet.

[EarthBorn]

I think I got it:

The Taiidan fleet which attacked Kharak.

They were the ones who dropped the ADW.
Millions of Kushan died, However, the Mothership survived.
The MS Fleet killed them in the end.

[Unk]

You're thinking along the right lines, but not right.

[Progenitor]

the kadeshi?

they were "dancing", probably a testimony to their agile fighters.
yet the kushan survived during their first attack.
the kadeshi returned to attack the kushan again.
but was destroyed by the kushan.

[Starblade]

The Turanic Carrier which took out the Khar-Selim?

As we danced millions died: As the Turanic weaved in and out, the Taiidan presumably were bombing Kharak.
Yet you lived on: The Mothership fended off the Raiders and got away.
We came back to finish the job: In Mission 4 the Carrier (presumably the same from Mission 2) came back to attempt to destroy the Mothership.
But the job finished us: The Mothership and its escorts destroyed the Carrier.

[Unk]

The Turanic Carrier which took out the Khar-Selim?

Bingo. Perfect reasoning as well.

[Starblade]

Woot! Okay, let's try this one, since it seems I'm better at guessing riddles than making them.

Without me the Kadesh wouldn't find you,
without me the Taiidan would fail.
Without me the Exiles wouldn't get very far,
and without me the Vaygr would fall.
Without me the strength of the Naggarok fades,
and without me Away is too far.


Whether or not that's hard, it was fun to type. :D

[Deionarra]

I feel compeled to repeat the most common incorect answer of them all:

The second Hyperspace core!

Edit: Hey, you added more lines to the riddle as I was typing .. no fair, but I'll stick with my answer for now. :)

[Starblade]

At least the Second core can keep it's title as the most common incorrect answer. :p

[Void]

Hyperspace in general

[Riess]

Resourcers, RUs, or the process of harvesting.

[Starblade]

It's the humble Resource Unit.

[Riess]

Well well, I guess it's my turn then.

Challengers' secret,
weapons never seen before,
it was not to be.

Too easy, once again (of course it is, I already know the answer). Hint: it's not the second Hyperspace core. :P

[MetalDragoon83]

I want to say Makaan's Dreadnaught (is that how you spell it?)

Challengers' secret,- Makaan, who challanged the Higgarans, kept this ship a secret for a while.
weapons never seen before,- It's Phased Energy Cannon was a weapon nobody has seen in action for what, 10,000 years.
it was not to be.- In the end Makaan failed in his attempt to get Sajuuk, and ultimate power.

[troff]

Challengers' secret - The Vaygr's secret last ditch weapons
weapons never seen before - The T-Mat-like planet killers at the end of HW2
it was not to be - They didn't manage to kill the planet they were meant to kill

[Inert]

Nomad moon?

Challengers' secret - The nomad moon was the Republican Taiidan's secret weapon.
weapons never seen before - There was nothing like it... uh, before.
it was not to be - The beast infected it, therefore the Republican Taiidani was never able to use it in battle.

[Riess]

No, no and no. Hint: Think outside the box.

[troff]

Just like to comment that MetalDragoon and Inert's guesses (plus mine) are very good tries.

I was quite sure my answer would be correct - it's amazing how the same riddle can apply to so many things.

BTW Riess I hope 'think outside the box' doesn't refer to the artwork on the HW2 box cover, (because there are some pictures of stuff in the flipout lid that never made it to the game hehe) - no need to reply, let's see what the rest can guess on...

[Riess]

Yeah, your guesses make sense.. I could put the same riddle with a completely different answer and it'd still work. Intentionally ambiguous. That's why I included the hint. I'll leave it to you to figure out just what I meant, and how literally it should be taken.

[Unk]

The weaponry of Kiith Nabaal? :sniper:

Challengers' secret - They were the first to develop guns on Kharak and kept it secret until they ended the heresy wars. Also challenging the supremacy of the religious Kiithid.

weapons never seen before - Same as above really.

it was not to be - They could have ruled Kharak but were content to set up a democracy and sit back.

[Starblade]

The Goat-Throwing Viking Ship?

Challengers' secret, - A Vaygr ship.
weapons never seen before, - onoes goats!
it was not to be. -Sadly, it never made it to the game.

As a little bit of trivia, the Viking Ship shown in those pictures was made from an old Lego set. Including the people!

[Riess]

Teehee. See, easy! And the explanation is perfect, too.

Gimme a broadside of goats, now! 'blade, we await your next riddle.

[PULSTAR]

Oh, very devious indeed Reiss! (And obvious, too, now that I think about it.)

[aussieman]

lol that was awesome! i was leaning to kith nabaal but the last line just didnt really make sense. Now that I think of it "outside the box" could mean not having made it to the game. Was that what you were leaning at Reiss?

[Riess]

Yep.
Was that what tipped you off, blade?

[Starblade]

Your hint, "Think outside the box", was what got it for me, Riess. If it weren't for that, I'd have been completely stumped. Now to try (yet again) to make a difficult riddle.

I am forever present, and forever secret. Starships pass through me without ever hitting me. I have been trapped inside ships and let loose upon the galaxy countless times, never seen, never felt, never known.

[Riess]

I... think I know. However, I'll remain silent for this round.

EDIT: Yep, I was right; but my lips are sealed.

[Aesaar]

Hyperspace?

I am forever present, and forever secret. : It is everywhere
Starships pass through me without ever hitting me. ships pass through hyperspace
I have been trapped inside ships. trapped in cores?
and let loose upon the galaxy countless times, it is used a lot
never seen, never felt, never known. you can't feel hyperspace, nor can you really see it.

probably wrong, but what the hell.

[Jianaran]

space in general?

[Void]

The Void? :bigwave:

[aussieman]

Is it the Beast?

btw if you want a bigger explanation ill do one.

[Starblade]

None have been correct so far, but, I'm pretty sure Riess knows exactly what the answer is.

[EarthBorn]

Light?
Simple, pure, bright light?

EDIT:
Your riddle says that 'Starships pass through me without ever hitting me.' , so I though it was light. :)

[Starblade]

Nope. You can pass through and see light.

[DatonKallandor]

Zero-Point Energy?

I am forever present, and forever secret. - its everywhere
Starships pass through me without ever hitting me. - same
I have been trapped inside ships and let loose upon the galaxy countless times, never seen, never felt, never known.
- The Hyperspace Core's supposedly tap into ZP-Energy to make their farjumps.


Daton

[Starblade]

Clever, but not the right answer.

[tehashi]

hydrogen?

I am forever present, and forever secret. - its everywhere. in air (0.5ppm), in space (very little but there)
Starships pass through me without ever hitting me. in space...starships go thru space
I have been trapped inside ships and let loose upon the galaxy countless times, never seen, never felt, never known.
Hydrogen is in air and when ships go boom or lose compression it is 'let loose'. And hydrogen is colorless, odorless and to small to feel. Never realize it is there.

[Starblade]

No, and both you and Daton are looking too far into what I'm saying.

[Inert]

I want a hint.




...please?

[Jianaran]

those waygates in cata?

[Fiirks]

The hard vacuum of outer space?

[Chrome]

The Beast?

It fits all the riddle parts if we go with the theory that it came from hyperspace itself. :D Especially that last part about being "let loose on the galaxy."

[JAL-18]

never seen, never felt, never known.

I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to the Beast DC. Or are we just ignoring Cataclysm? :p

[Chrome]

I dunno. I was just shooting off a guess. HEH.

Obviously the Beast guess has a few flaws, but as the more "obvious" ones aren't hitting the mark, I had to try.

I bet I'm wrong, though. ;)

[troff]

2 quick things:

1. Ok if you want to post comments please 'edit' your previous post where you can to keep this thread lean :mod:

2. If you want to give an answer - please attempt to justify it so people know where you're coming from. If you can't justify it there's no point in grasping straws (remember this thread will most probably be archived so let's make it a good read).

I have to go with Hyperspace TECHNOLOGY (if you're splitting hairs here)

Key problem is 'trapped inside ships' - once that is over we will be nearer.

I am forever present, and forever secret. : No one truly knows the secret of hyper tech
I have been trapped inside ships - in e cores as said b4
and let loose upon the galaxy countless times - let loose? revealed by Bentusi and spread around
never seen, never felt, never known- ditto plus never known links back to the first point.

If I want to be funny I would offer PLOTHOLES as the answer but that's corny.

[And of course Troff is wrong because he wants to give others a chance :crazy:]

[Progenitor]

2 guesses troff? :D

[EarthBorn]

Um...need hint.

[Starblade]

No right answers yet, so here's a hint.

HINT: When I am trapped, I see with my keeper's eye.

EDIT: On a side note, Riess figured it out (he PM'd me the answer).