How far is Beta from Retail?

[elite]

I wonder what everyones opinion about how far are we to get the Beta launch to retail?
It seems it endlessly remains a beta for me...

[AphexBoy]

one last Patch to go

edit: I mean its written in the wiki: LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR CHANGES IN. POSSIBLY ONLY ONE PATCH LEFT!

[PeterPeterson1]

there are so many things left. I hope the final patch is a big workaround.

Pershing
Wirbelwind
Pak
Hitboxes (Bombingrun)
AA support
Repaircrew ...

[AphexBoy]

Pershing
Wirbelwind
Pak
Hitboxes (Bombingrun)
AA support
Repaircrew ...
arty spamming
sand bags exploit
trench magical delete ;)

[Kitn0]

Paratroopers
RR cost

[Painmuffin]

I'm hoping that Relic doesn't just give up on this and say "we're done here."

A Patch a day the Relic way is pretty kick ass.

[Wischmopp]

Ya, it made me happy. Kind of a drug to look out for new changes :)

I vote for a real 150mm hummel and some additional arty tweaking (more pop cap for heavy arty stuff, cooldown tweaking, Firestorm etc.)


And take away the lower reinforcement insult for Fallschirms and give them more HP instead....

[CroatNotBorat]

I hope there'll be a lot more patches, because the beta is more imbalanced than the retail at the moment.

[fldash]

I think this may be the last retail patch for COH/OF and that we won't see any more for a while, if at all. However I very well could be wrong. They may be working on another expansion (Eastern Front anyone) as well. I'm not sure. I know I love this series and don't want it to go anywhere, so I'm fine with whatever so long as the series isn't abandoned. ;)

[nichtganz]

jokes? Im sorry private ryan isnt steamrolling the germans at every turn...

Everything is nearly fixed in the beta, the Marder has counters, Panzerschrek isnt as uber, amongst other changes.

[lance81]

For the love of god leave the Brits alone. Seriously. I was all for nerfing the FF, really I was. But people fail to see that the command tank nerf seriously nerfs the FF. Any more nerfs and the brits will be completely screwed in 1v1.


*I am jumping on the brit whiner band wagon as it seems that the more axis players whine the more *balance* they get.

[daroach1414]

brits dont have a pershing.

[lance81]

brits dont have a pershing.

Got my tanks mixed up. Fixed now.

[PeterPeterson1]

Pershing
Wirbelwind
Pak
Hitboxes (Bombingrun)
AA support
Repaircrew ...

@Aphexboy and Kit0
I wrote some units which needs a fix not a problem which should balanced

[Jekster]

As much as I would like to see this patch go live I still feel that there are some huge balance issues at stake in 2v2 and other AT games. Things need to be done to address the power combo of Brit's and Allies and to make the game overall a more even playing field.

I do not want to see the game come out and everyone get trounced constantly by game in balances. We have started to garner a much larger community for COH and this is a long awaited patch. I know people comment that the reason AT is more unbalanced is the fact that the balance changes are direct related to 1v1 play. However, you have to realize that the average player will not understand this concept and will be annoyed at the fact that their long awaited 2v2 AT is not really balanced.

[Wischmopp]

The average player might not understand concepts of balance at all and start to whine despite he just overlooked the possible counters :p

[Falaris]

There's not enough players playing the beta currently. Last time I was on there was 9 games going, 5 of which were skirmishes. The beta has, from what I understand its purpose to be, outplayed its role.

So, I figure it'll head to retail pretty soon.

[Black_Duck_1]

My guess is that there will only be one more BALANCE patch then we will have couple more patches of BUG fixes until the patch reaches an acceptable level.

[GodofBiscuits]

There could be one, there could be none, there could be 2 or 3 or 5. Possibly could mean anything. The last pershing buffs made it quite feasible now and airborne is completely fine. The last things to deal with is the spammy allied artillery and the income bonuses that the british give.

The pak might either need a penetration buff or cost decrease.

[Black_Duck_1]

Pak38 is fine with its three shots ambush ability.

[jaden_WE]

^^^^^^^^^^^

too bad that three shot ability hasn't even been implemented yet

[CroatNotBorat]

It won't be, because that would make the PaK completely superior to the 57mm. It would deal a lot more damage in a lot less time. Hell, it already does more DPS than a 57mm not using AP rounds.

[DrunkenBrawler]

Churchill tanks still takes up way too much of the supply limit

[PeterPeterson1]

Only the first camo shot gots penetration boni!!!
And half the time it miss!

[scoiatollo]

The lowest accuracy would be 52% against a Cromwell/M8/HT (I don't count the Bren!) at a range of 60, at a range of 40 the hit chances are 72%. Since the Pak is camoued you won't have a problem to wait till it got in mid range where you have a 72% chance to hit those fast tanks (not counting any vet bonuses either!). Even without the bonus it will autopenetrate anything except Churchills/Pershings (~45% chance), and M10/Sherman (83/75%).

The 57mm on other hand is slightly more accurate, but won't autopenetrate StuG/StuH (65%), Panzer4 (75%), Hetzer (22%!!!), Panther/Tiger (35%), JP (8%!!!!!). So you are force to spend mun on 2shots (unless you have some übermicro) with 3,5sec reload time, wheras the Pak ditches one additional shot out due their 2.4sec reload.

I can't go more into the detail cause I am a little bit busy at work...

[ViiKumi]

They oughta fix these:

Whirblewind (pretty useless)
PaK
Anti-Air weapons
Commandos (C'mon... their reinforcement cost is the same as grenadiers'!)
Churchill (Heavy tank in 3 CP's?? That's just crazy)
Maybe some more changes aswell... (Just gotta hate that brit "3cp hell"... when they get 3 cp, they can get anything they want, arty, heavy tank, or the ultimate infantry)

[Wischmopp]

Try the Wiki Page people!

[daroach1414]

why do people keep complaining about the pak. Its good, very damn good if theirs two of them. Start shooting with 1, lure the tank to come try to circle strafe it , then start unloading with other. My god that works EVERY TIME. God forbid and wehr players use anything but the shrek for AT.

[Si11yPutty]

I think the pak is healthy as is. The flak 88 is a great gun also. Having a repair bunker w/mg42 squad next to it and a pioneer squad inside will get any decrewed 88's back up in no time, but that Veterancy still bugs me a little.

[Panzer Jager]

Mukkel told me on the Chat Lobby that it would be 3 or so months until retail recieves the patch.

[daroach1414]

why do i find that hard to believe panzer.

[Pankake]

Commandos (C'mon... their reinforcement cost is the same as grenadiers'!)
Churchill (Heavy tank in 3 CP's?? That's just crazy)

Commandos, well that's because there's 6 of them.

Churchill, it's not a heavy tank, it's an infantry support tank, the Allied equivilent of.. a Panzer IV IST or a stock (not upgunned) Sherman.

[iNFERNO]

Mukkel told me on the Chat Lobby that it would be 3 or so months until retail recieves the patch.

Ouch...

[elite]

Well 3 more months would suck! Then give us a hotfix for Brit AI bug and 1sec offmap arty at least!!!

[SinisterZ]

lol 3 months is impossible, maybe 3 months from when the beta started, can't wait longer for the patch to come out ;-)

[lance81]

3 months is believable. After all . The retail patch will have to go through a complete round of testing. Something that none of the BETA patches have done yet.

[Muad'Dib]

What ever they're planning, they better do it soon. The balance discussions have grown from a civil debate to down right dirty! People need another patch...and soon.

BTW, lance is right...there's still a whole score of Q&A after the beta is over...Given the extent of the beta patches, they'd probably go through Q&A for a month...at the very least!

[Panzer Jager]

Hey guys, you don't have to believe me. To be honest, I don't totally believe him: maybe he made an overstatement. Or maybe, of all things, I have poor memory.

It will come when it's done. Just don't expect it to be like Duke Nukem Forever. ;)

[armen]

I just want it to come out already! hasnt it been like 2 months for the beta already?

[Si11yPutty]

Every Change we get is always like a little christmas to me. The only reason i would want to hurry this into retail is for more people on automatches. Other than that, this gives me a way to feel productive to the outcome of a product undergoing serious changes. The Beta also makes me feel that we are a separate, more close knit and friendlier form of the rest of the CoH community.

[Thinking42Man]

The Beta also makes me feel that we are a separate, more close knit and friendlier form of the rest of the CoH community.

Good luck with that :rolleyes:

[Noir]

I just want it to come out already! hasnt it been like 2 months for the beta already?

2 months would have set the beta at December. It's more like a month and a week since the start. :p

[Si11yPutty]

Good luck with that

Hmm, maybe it was because it was the first time i actually populated my friends list.

Lol whatever.