Chaos tier4

[grendizer]

PSM and oblits nerfs were thought to balance 1v1. But they affect higher tiers where chaos was lacking already. How could this be solved? Same happens with chains. Nerfs were needed for 1v1 balance (maybe) but you're nerfing all chaos tier 3 and 4 that, if any, was up. Give some love to chaos high tiers please.

[ImmortalChaos]

IIRC, chaos pred lascannons do more damage than SM ones, and 5000 HP is not bad.

The BT owns at base bashing so much.

PSM and oblits still rock.


Whats not to like?

[Jaimas]

Yeah, really. The only unit I could see getting a bit of love are Zerks now that the Tech speed has been kicked in the face, and that's kind of iffy until all other bugfixes come in. Where's the problem?

[White_Pointer]

Dude, you're going to need to put forth a more convincing arguement then "PSM and oblits nerfs were thought to balance 1v1. But they affect higher tiers where chaos was lacking already."

You need to realise PSM and Oblits do not and should not form the bulk of your late game force. You've got things like infiltrated plasma tacs (which totally pwn, by the way), lascannon preds, the daemon prince, the bloodthirster, and one of the more useful fliers. Berserkers certainly aren't useless in tier 3 either. And as ImmortalChaos said, PSM and Oblits, despite a slight cost increase, still rock...but they are there as frontline units and perhaps assistance/support now...you can't rely on them to instant-win you games like they did in DC. Chaos has one of the strongest tier 3/4 in the game if you ask me. You just need a bit of extra time to get there now. You need to get out of the DC quick-tech mindset where you got a insta-pwn army the moment you hit tier 3 (5 minutes into the game). Those old tactics don't work anymore.

White_Pointer

[ImmortalChaos]

In a FFA, most races have nothing that can stop the brainless spam of 10 infiltrated CSM squads, then laspreds and helltalons thrown into the mix for some AV..

[grendizer]

Lets see, the fact is chaos t4 sucks compared with SM, Cron, Eldar, IG, Tau. I have doubts with orkT4 but other definetely pwn chaos. W can see the problem from to aproaches: chaos t4 up or other races t4 op. As you want.

IMO the cost increase to oblits specially hurt the alredy weak chaos t4. Maybe the problem doesn't relay there. I've been playing team games through all DC as chaos without fast teching to t3. I've owned many chaos techers with a solid chaos tier2. I'm not complaining about how the changes change chaos before, but after. However psm depend on imba flamers to cut through other t3 cc units and they're more expensive.

The problem could be the lack of AoE weapons chaos has. Chaos artillery sucks. Defiler battlcannon in t4 is a joke if you haven't already won the game. Sorcerers corruption doesn't work neither. And yes I've noticed tallons toxin bomb. Good thing but is not enough.

Other people point to the BT. It clearly sucks compared to other relic units. I suppose people who play the game need no explanation.

You cand do well in team games with chaos untill certain point, then better have a good t4 like other races. There are many factors but with equal skill you wont win against most races t4. That's been like this since vanilla. Chaos had imbas like every race of course (like defiler 1.3 spam or WA psm mass) but when solved you end with your crappy t4.

[Weavern]

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