Dyn's Pet hate for the DoW2 forum this week - Quoting

[Dyntheos]

The level of discussion in here is pretty good, which I am pleased with.

The amount of quoting going on is however driving me nuts.

When you read a thread, you begin with the opening post and continue onto the first reply which would be post #2

You don't need to quote the entire post #2 if are replying to it in post #3.

A rule of thumb is that if you quoting someone. If your reply 10 posts down the thread use the [ quote ] tags. If it's not ( under 10 posts or even on the same page ) then simply reference the post by using an @ or " " quotation marks.

You also don't have to quote an entire post, merely the relevant portion.

Keep your quotes to a maximum of 3 quotes per post. if it's more than that you need to restructure your post.

The problem with quotes is that it breaks up the flow of discussion. I don't need to read a post by Bob, then 2 posts later read all of bobs post again when it's quoted by Joe, and Joe only adds a one line response to Bob's original essay post.

I'd like to shape the forum, as it's new, with a core group of posters that dictate the level of posting style to future members. As I said the level of discussion is quite civil and interesting to read, the readability of some threads due to over quoting is letting the side down.

If I see any lazy use of the quote function as I read through threads in here, I'll link the poster to this thread as a heads up and you'll know why I've cropped your entire post or merely linked you to this depending on how bad things are.

Cheers

[Flonky]

My english teacher would crucify you for saying that quotes can sometimes be bad. Oh and my signature has always been a quote, I'm not trying to take the piss, or anything.

[Dark_Avenger]

hehe, I know this one is pointed at me. :P

But no worries, I wont be quoting rediculously anymore.

[Dyntheos]

My english teacher would crucify you for saying that quotes can sometimes be bad. Oh and my signature has always been a quote, I'm not trying to take the piss, or anything.


quoting is fine. quoting directly after a post is not. Like this. I don't need to read your post twice on the same page.

[Shuma]

Quotes are a myth! They never existed! ever!

[Terrordar]

Quotes do not exist, they have never existed. Should anyone continue to speak on this topic, they shall be investigated and summarily executed by an Imperial Inquisitor.

[Versian]

Somebody please quote Andkat! He writes an entire essay in every post!!!

(not that there's anything wrong with that, It's good to have a person that knows so much about 40k around, there's so much I'd like to ask that I literally don't know where to start, and I have homework to do)

[TheLoneKnight]

I've never understood why people feel compelled to quote so much.

If I want to direct my post to someone in particular I just mention their name and address their points in as clear a manner as I can muster. After all, if you're responding to their post, they should be able to figure out which points you're talking about just from the content of your post. Even when I do that, I usually make certain they're at least two posts above me before I bother with a name.

If you really must quote, though, I would ask that you not break down every sentence they make into a detatched, out-of-context statement. It reeks of bad form and serves little purpose beyond making you out to be a twerp who can't address their post as a whole.

Now the people who use quotes in a post immediately after the one they're quoting... those people need a swift kick in the butt. :p

[Versian]

Sometimes I quote a person almost immediately, but just to talk about a specific point. I only quote a specific line for example. Is that ok?

[TheLoneKnight]

I don't think that's okay. :p

If you want to address the point, just address the point. If you're posting right after they are then there's no need to quote, no matter what point you're trying to make. Quoting a single sentence is tantamount to shouting "I can't argue anything else in your post but I'm totally going to pounce on this one idle out-of-context statement to try to make you look foolish!"

Unless of course you're just agreeing with them... but if tha'ts the case, why not just agree and try to add upon whatever they're saying?

Edit: Um. Sorry if I sound a little ornery. I'm really not. I just sound it. :D

[Dyntheos]

GOOD RESPONSE

Versian no, quoting immediately is annoying, what lone says about making it look like you are disecting a post is true.


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ANNOYING RESPONSE



Sometimes I quote a person almost immediately, but just to talk about a specific point. I only quote a specific line for example. Is that ok?

Versian no, quoting immediately is annoying



I don't think that's okay.

If you want to address the point, just address the point. If you're posting right after they are then there's no need to quote, no matter what point you're trying to make. Quoting a single sentence is tantamount to shouting "I can't argue anything else in your post but I'm totally going to pounce on this one idle out-of-context statement to try to make you look foolish!"

Unless of course you're just agreeing with them... but if tha'ts the case, why not just agree and try to add upon whatever they're saying?

Edit: Um. Sorry if I sound a little ornery. I'm really not. I just sound it.


What lone says about making it look like you are disecting a post is true


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Conclusion

Which is easier to read? My first response or the one with the quotes?

[Shuma]

Easier Answer:

Excesive Quoting is used to annoy someone when you're arguing with said person. If you quote each one of his points it's easier to adress them, and at the same time annoying.

Short and even easier answer:

Don't Quote that much in this forum or we'll kill you.

[Sekator]

The level of discussion in here is pretty good, which I am pleased with.

Giggles.

[lordo36]

Sorry only in here as I have just replied in another gaming forum with a multi quote.

I use quote when I need to reply directly to a post or as above to three peoples replies to one of my posts.

But if the post is on the same page I tend not to quote.

Sometimes feel that people use quotes as a way to add substance to their own posts.

[Flonky]

There are other ways of adding substance to your posts.

I am now going to try to use much less quotes in my posts.

Try, in a broad sense of the word...just kidding. I'll be a :sheep: and do as I'm told.

[Jordan]

I'm SO tempted to quote Dyn's original post and just put 'I agree'

I won't, but yeah, i do agree, a 10 page thread usually has like 5 pages worth of quotes.

[Riess]

Now the question is, if I quote my future self, will I create a time paradox that will destroy the universe as we know it?
Now the question is, if I quote my future self, will I create a tiiiiiiiiiii-

[Hirmetrium]

This is Dynths Forum now!! muahahhahahah! :P Arguements are met with harsh responses!

[Richdog]

quoting is fine. quoting directly after a post is not. Like this. I don't need to read your post twice on the same page.

The reason why people do this is because in a fast moving thread if you don't press quote and someone else gets in there first then it can cause huge confction about who you are responding to.

To be pefectly frank Relicnews' lack of a quote button in the actual posts is nothing short of flabbergastingly irritating, why you guys think that somehow quotes dont work properly when 99.999% of large forums use them without ANY issue is beyond me. It's usually a result of the silly ideals of a select one or two moderators (yes, you) that think they have a really good idea going on, while everyone else sits there and scratches their head in bewilderment.

But that's just my opinion. :)

[Hirmetrium]

@ Richdog - a reply like this works fine, if you put their name at the start.

[Richdog]

@ Hirm - I've been using and moderating forums for around 10 years... don't need tutorials on how best to use them. Thanks anyway though. :p:D

[TheLoneKnight]

When the quote button was still implemented it resulted in numerous people quoting entire posts, omnislashing (post content split into several fragments to make it "easier to respond to") and responses that quoted the person above them and added "lol i agree". It was, quite frankly, absurd.

I'm currently quite endeared to the current method because it discourages people from spamming quotations because they need to type the tags out each time and copy/paste by hand. Some people still spam quotes, of course, but it is nowhere near as omnipresent as it once was.

So I suspect the difference between this forum and "99.999% of large forums" is that the admins here don't generally appreciate their boards being flooded by unnecessary usage of the quote function. I'm inclined to agree.

P.S. Ha ha! I'm using conventional quotations. :p

[Richdog]

Well, we don't have problems with people abusing quotes on our forums, and no-one has ever complained about it... so maybe it's a reflection on this forum (or its staff, no offence) more than anything else.

[Sekator]

@ LoneKnight

That's precisely the point. Instead of filtering out content and filtering out users you prefer to keep redundant features. "Quote selected text" button works fine just about everywhere, scrapping it because "handicapped people use it for doing stupid things" is close to nonsense. Take action on the handicapped people, there's no shortage in internet users anyway. Right now action is taken on everyone, regardless of their posting quality. That is a very very wrong approach to forum moderation, but alas, I don't own this place.

Quotation is there for a reason. It eases reading and comprehending of text. Quoting entire messages is redundant if you only want to keep a part of a post or want to respond to several different posts. You can, however, quote sentences by copypasting them into the tag, useless people can overquote this way with ease. The only people who suffer are those who want to keep track of the authors in their quotes since copypaste doesn't generate author/date autotext like a "quote highlighted" button does.

[Dyntheos]

This is meant to be a post to illuminate members to the rules we have here governing quotes, not a discussion on the rule itself. It's evolved over many years of running this place and won't be changing. :)

[stopgap]

alright, i suspect i wont have problems with the quoting... in the words of julius caesar... ah, forget it.

[Starfisher]

RichDog: One of the benefits of membership, in fact!

[roflmao]

How about wrapping your arguments in a quote with a self reference? Like the following :


Hello dyn, quoting is overused without a doubt here.

You gotta admit the format above is quite awesome ^^.

Being more serious, yeah, too much quoting >.<

[Ruzdreg]

GOOD RESPONSE

Versian no, quoting immediately is annoying, what lone says about making it look like you are disecting a post is true.


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ANNOYING RESPONSE


Quote:
Originally Posted by Versian
Sometimes I quote a person almost immediately, but just to talk about a specific point. I only quote a specific line for example. Is that ok?



Versian no, quoting immediately is annoying


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone
I don't think that's okay.

If you want to address the point, just address the point. If you're posting right after they are then there's no need to quote, no matter what point you're trying to make. Quoting a single sentence is tantamount to shouting "I can't argue anything else in your post but I'm totally going to pounce on this one idle out-of-context statement to try to make you look foolish!"

Unless of course you're just agreeing with them... but if tha'ts the case, why not just agree and try to add upon whatever they're saying?

Edit: Um. Sorry if I sound a little ornery. I'm really not. I just sound it.




What lone says about making it look like you are disecting a post is true


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Conclusion

Which is easier to read? My first response or the one with the quotes?



Yeah - its much nicer to read when there's less quoting going on.






Being more serious, yeah, too much quoting >.<

I personally can't see it that annoying but it takes a lot to annoy me.




When the quote button was still implemented it resulted in numerous people quoting entire posts, omnislashing (post content split into several fragments to make it "easier to respond to") and responses that quoted the person above them and added "lol i agree". It was, quite frankly, absurd.

I'm currently quite endeared to the current method because it discourages people from spamming quotations because they need to type the tags out each time and copy/paste by hand. Some people still spam quotes, of course, but it is nowhere near as omnipresent as it once was.

So I suspect the difference between this forum and "99.999% of large forums" is that the admins here don't generally appreciate their boards being flooded by unnecessary usage of the quote function. I'm inclined to agree.

P.S. Ha ha! I'm using conventional quotations.

OK fair enough, quoting an entire post just to reply to one little thing said within the first line would be too much.
You wouldn't catch me doing that. :)

[LoRd KoRn]

wow i could be such an arse right now, quoting the whole post before me :)

[Silver_Wolf#]

As Dyn hates quotes I will misquote him to appease Him : "The (dude with the) Keeper can do anything(title really can do anything)"

While quoting half the bloody thread in a mammoth 12 page reply in which only 6-7 lines are your own (I have seen such on other forums) is a big no no (punishable by led bullet anal infusion) quoting and the building your pro or counter argument with it, or using it in context isn't so bad so to sum it up: 1 post with many quotes= buck shot where the sun don't shine (to you Cyber Persona anyway), 1 sub-forum with many constructive quotations= happy (all be it insane) campers.


PS: If anyone's asking why I am talking so outta whack here's the reason: listening to brits argue about EVE on vent(and I thought romanians were happy to do a 6 word sentence where 5 words were insults repeatedly) for 3 bloody hours while trying to get someone to tell me which bloody station to move my bloody clone to so I could bloody kill myself and be reborn there.... more or less.

[Tcharzanek]

Quoting restrictions......at last.

[Versian]

Wow, I didn't get this situation so much until it started happening to me. I'm a moderator at a forum on gamespot and it is quite annoying to see quotes being spammed. I don't feel like quoting ever again.

[PlasmaBomb]

@ korn - do you like the feeling of the ban stick?

Well done in resisting temptation :)

[coldplay]

We need a new "hate" for this week - I've been waiting... :)

[Dark_Avenger]

Hmmm.... I wonder what the next one could be

[Ap0k]

Spam.

[Versian]

Spam is a permanent hate, it's not just a one week a year thing.

[moleytov]

I think apok meant the foodstuff. It gets in the mechanical-geary-working bits of forums and makes them unpredictable.

[Dyntheos]

it's a long week coldplay ;)

[TheLoneKnight]

I suggest "not reading the thread" or duplicate threads for next week. :p

/me hates incessantly repeating himself

[moleytov]

How about "can I have a sticky?"

[Ruzdreg]

How about "Dyntheos making sticky threads".

He made 3 within 3 days - each were one day after the previous :D

[coldplay]

I'm looking forward to the end of this week and the newest hate on Monday... =P Or are we still in Quote-week?

Feels kind of like Shark Week on Discovery Channel, they seem to happen so many times during the year. I guess it's not the same, then... at all.

[Dyntheos]

When quotes in the DoW2 forum jump the shark then the week will be over ;)

[coldplay]

You win this round...

[ZeroTwo]

@ Dyntheos OP

I've been accused of intentional misquoting or manipulating people's words when quoting the "important" sections.

Of course I'll abide.