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Open Blue
10th Feb 09, 4:35 PM
The New South Wales Police are asking people to contact them if they see retailers selling World of Warcraft or other massively multiplayer online games.

Both the police and the attorney general's office in New South Wales say that the New South Wales Classification Enforcement Act prohibits publishers and retailers from selling unclassified computer games with penalties for individuals breaking the law ranging from $1,100 to $11,000 and up to a year in jail. For corporations, the fines roughly double.
And games like World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea are all sold without classification.

Something that the Interactive Entertainment Association of Australia doesn't believe is true. They claim that games without single player components don't need to be classified. source- http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/no-classification-online-games-legal-minefield/2009/02/03/1233423203018.html

So, we've officially hit the stone-age here in NSW.

Retailers can no longer sell MMO games as they are not classified (and cannot be classified) by the Australian Classification Board, hence the police are being called in to help monitor illegal sales of Warcraft, Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.
What's more, game-cards which provide that much needed "game time" are also deemed illegal, since they grant access to "illegal" material.

In another turn of stupidity, the law cannot touch direct downloads which are operated outside of NSW (ie. Steam)

Simply put, the enforcement act that governs the sales of rated and unrated material in Australia applies almost entirely to selling (not to buying) and the act of the sale for most digital downloads is taking place out of range of those regulations. ...there seems to be no barrier to simply bypassing the Australian Classification Board with a game and selling it via Steam or Direct2Drive or something similar -- so long as neither the sale nor the seller are taking place within Australian jurisdiction -- and generally they're not. source- http://www.massively.com/2009/02/04/gaming-the-ratings-game/

So, we've implimented rules which prevent the sales of hugely popular games in Australian stores and yet would increase overseas sales, rules which are based on an already harsh (and pathetically stupid) rating system that have failed to evolve with the changing landscape of games and incorporate shifting morals.

I'd move, but Queensland is 2/3 underwater, Victoria is being burnt to a crisp and the rest of Australia is in drought. Perhaps overseas where I don't have to put up with such stupidity?


Discussion value:
- Solution to the problem of unclassified games?
- Do you think this move is justified?
- How would you classify MMO's?
- Where can I move to escape this idiocy?

EdCase
10th Feb 09, 4:42 PM
Sorry Rusty, but stupidity is universal.

I have lived in three countries, currently the USA, and worked in eight.
Where you benefit in one area...you lose in another..

Akranadas
10th Feb 09, 4:48 PM
It's complete Bogus (http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2009/02/blizzard_wow_is_sold_legally_in_australia_after_all.html)

hermanJnr.
10th Feb 09, 4:48 PM
Ridiculous.

Since they can't control multiplayer content, why not just classify it in a new class, like "Content May Vary", or even "Adult Only" if totally neccessary (since some fool will no doubt be swearing while playing, etc.)...making games illegal is just stupid.

You already see "Online Play Experience May Vary" on every game ever, I don't see why it's so hard to just make an official classification like that in general.

EDIT - Noes, ninja'd by Akranadas! .Heh... :salute:

Well, seems I threw my opinion in too early :\

Open Blue
10th Feb 09, 4:52 PM
Ah, cheers for the link Akranadas.
I guess that clears that up (still need to get out of this place)

Moe
10th Feb 09, 6:01 PM
Going to leave this up for a while, testing something. If you haven't read the thread before posting, be afraid.

overmind2000
10th Feb 09, 6:07 PM
not the Ion canon again???

or are you watching us to see how many (And who) responds only to the first post and who take the time to either research the first post (and thus hopefully repost a similar or the same link/ info as has now been provided) or who read the whole post and find out that things are all safe for the MMO addicts?

Kane935
10th Feb 09, 8:30 PM
Well, this sucks. Now the oceanic market of MMOs is pratically dead.

LandShark
10th Feb 09, 8:38 PM
what i want to know is if these people are getting paid. if so, why are they wasting taxpayers money.

Mokino
10th Feb 09, 8:39 PM
Kane, read Akranadas' link. This story isn't true.

Aron_DeTomado
11th Feb 09, 4:37 AM
So I guess this is going to be one of those discussions where people take a braindump on the debate without reading the thread, then?

Harmanoff
11th Feb 09, 5:05 AM
Well yeah, what do you expect when MMO's are suddenly illegal in Australia? It's madness!

ToJKa
11th Feb 09, 5:22 AM
Reading the linked article, this seems to be just a case of outdated legistlation causing confusion in modern times. The only relevant discussion i see would be the problems of laws keeping up with technology.

Nurizeko
11th Feb 09, 5:54 AM
I think the bigger problem is laws are made by people with a minimal understanding and grasp of technology.

Dr. Badman
11th Feb 09, 6:10 AM
This kind of thing is not surprising, but glad to hear it's bogus anyway.

I'm gonna bail if the "Clean Feed" bullshit ever happens. Our internet is slow enough by comparison to the rest of the world...

We'll make an "Adopt an Australian" RN thread. :D

sang
11th Feb 09, 6:28 AM
"It's madness"

madness ?This is New zealand ! :spartaaa:

still. This is just odd

Methuselath
11th Feb 09, 7:20 AM
Dr. Badman, try Malaysia sometimes.

/me mutters and walk away

SchizoBadger
11th Feb 09, 9:37 AM
The first country to really ban MMO's is the place I move to. MMO's are a pestilence on computer games. Hearing Bioware was going to turn KotoR into a MMO proved me right. We must exterminate the MMO cancer! Exterminate! EXTERMINATE! :Loco:

DoomKnights
11th Feb 09, 10:21 AM
Malaysia isn't that type of food? I didn't know it was a country...

(J/K)

I remeber when they tried to enfoce the 13 or older games. That failed horrible...

DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr
12th Feb 09, 12:18 AM
My fuck, thats just dumb. Enough said... almost.

Well, I hope it clears up, or they can somehow classify MMOs.

Nerdfish
12th Feb 09, 12:43 AM
that alone is a reason to move :D, Canada is pretty nice, I have heard.

Pocktio
12th Feb 09, 6:31 AM
Yeah, totally wrong they should outlaw MMOs, they are my life


:D

Energizer Bunny
12th Feb 09, 6:42 AM
Shhhh! The mods are clearly running this as an experiment into exactly that and you're spoiling it!

I personally am outraged at this heinous breach of human rights and will wage a personal war against the Australian government until I am allowed to play WoW.

rowan sjet
12th Feb 09, 7:19 AM
^ *waits for some dumbass to point out that EB lives in England, not Australia, so this totally doesn't affect EB, despite the fact EB, living in England as he is, already fucking knows this.*

*of course, this would require said dumbass to read past the first post, which said dumbass is unlikely to do*

Silver_Wolf#
12th Feb 09, 8:35 AM
*comes in wearing a kilt, brandishing something between a claymore and katana (odachi??) and painted with black and teal colours similar in style to Braveheart* OY! Ya australian flabby armed, weak nead, pencil humpin, desk ridin, political gangbangin, son of a she-demon, bog eatin weaklins need ta learn dat MMOs build character and dey gives the littlens sumthin to do odda than dry hump der daddy fer monay! Now ye got 5 seconds before I go medieval an yer ass. *shows the Australian censor board that he's wearing a kilt in the tradition way*


Oh and I know this is an experiment :p.

JAL-18
12th Feb 09, 10:42 PM
Wouldn't worry about it, EB. By definition, the people who fail the experiment aren't going to read the posts giving it away. ;)

TheWickedGerman
12th Feb 09, 11:52 PM
Despite this is being a bogus, what means not classified? No age classification? Why can´t they be classified? Maybe it wasn't in the link or i just didn't see it.

And what experiement you´re doing here? I´m afraid and not will leave my shelter under my desk til it´s over,

Re-read the link and saw that´s about age classification.

Retroboy
13th Feb 09, 12:15 AM
Great. Now we're New Guinea pigs. :)

-- Retro

Kirjava
13th Feb 09, 3:10 AM
Oh Retro.

*shakes head sadly*

Silver_Wolf#
13th Feb 09, 3:16 AM
*looks at Retro then looks at Kirjava* He still drinks tap water doesn't he? And they wonder why I boil my water 5 times, then filter it, then turn it into plasma and then after its cooled down I drink it.

PS: Retro... that cake... you know which one... isn't a lie, it's just a cardboard cut out of one(with enough alchihool on-board it tastes great, I know from first hand experience :D).

Oryhara
13th Feb 09, 3:20 AM
I am outraged by this horrible, horrible travesty*.

*travesty of people not reading thread before posting.

DoomKnights
13th Feb 09, 6:57 AM
That should be a name of a band The New Guinea Pigs. Fun posts so far.=P

SquidDNA
13th Feb 09, 7:34 AM
I have to wonder why, with the knowledge that there's something else going on here, people are spamming the thread.

Silver_Wolf#
13th Feb 09, 7:40 AM
Perhaps it is human nature, or boredom, likely both.

Saberdark
13th Feb 09, 7:47 AM
They're simply helping with the experiment. Gotta collect good data and all. :D

SACSlym
13th Feb 09, 8:26 AM
OMG HOW CAN THEY DO SUCH A THING




do i get my cheese now?


What I find annoying is how convoluted the answer is in the second article, so many agencies taking responsibility, and no real answer as to why two people said something stupid. Bureaucracy and video games, what a horrifying mixture, granted as generations continue to change hands, such situations should improve, or at least I hope.

overmind2000
13th Feb 09, 9:12 AM
I have to wonder why, with the knowledge that there's something else going on here, people are spamming the thread.

maybe the experiment has nothing to do with seeing who does and does not read things ;)

Moe
15th Feb 09, 2:22 PM
Well then, it's time to conclude this experiment. For utterly failing to read the thread before posting, the following people have earned themselves a three week timeout from GD:

Kane935
LandShark
Rednova88
Nurizeko
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr
nerdfish
Pocktio