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Ammon Ra
8th Apr 09, 5:03 AM
The idea is simple: Get as many relicnews dolts together for a grand Relicnews l4d tournament.

Maybe we can get an honourary Relic Dev team in this. ;)

Can be serious or not, up to the consensus of you guys. preferably semi-silly. :jester:

Poll options are as described: early, mid, late may, or early, mid, late june.

How:
Split up everyone into 4-man teams, preferably with 2 usa and 2 EU dolts to get a nice balanced average ping.

Don't know about people around australia though. Maybe have one auzzie and three euros to balance out the average ping?

Not exclusive to relicdolts. People who aren't relicdolts but we know decently well (Dancealot, erm...?) could also be invited, or used to "top-up" the number of people if we're a few men short.

When:
After the next patch, so anytime in may or june. That's the time for UK university exams, but i know i will still play games, so that's not stopping me. After june is going to be even better, although i will have relocated to Belgium by then with a degree and jobless (maybe).

The tournament:
If we get 8 4-man teams: quarter finals

A vs B
C vs D
E vs F
G vs H

from that we get 4 teams in the semi-finals.

A vs C
E vs G
and from the above we get the finals.

Highly dependant on the number of people who are interested and dedicated enough to have some structured semi-competitive L4D games.

Ideally it would be more balanced to have two games: one on an EU server, and a second on a USA server. Take the average of the scores to find out which team won. but considering a single game can take up to two hours it's rather time-intensive.

Map choice would be decided by the two teams, and it would include all 4 campaigns.

For the the EU-USA mixed teams, another compromise could be to to have alternating games on EU and USA servers. Teams that loose in the first round won't really have that option, though, but there's not much you can do about that i guess.
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9 April Edit
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If i could ask you to add if your general location (EU/USA/AU) and your steam name since i'm probably not acquainted with all of you that would help a lot.

Also, Non-dolts can be added by someone else, i.e. Dark could enlist Dancalot, but it is preferable if Dance could make an account himself.

Someone Should also make a [few] announcements on the RN steam group to inform the masses about this.

I came back from a week in rome studying an feeling aftershocks of the earthquakes (me, family & house are alright fyi) and i'm faced with some lack of internet in my room. Will try to update this post every few days with updated member data, more member, and more info depending on what the poll will says.

Teams will be randomized, And i will eave that till the end when the poll runs out (april 20th) where someone can create a random team list.

I do not think we need judges for this since the scores would speak for themselves.

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Optional suggestions
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List of things that you probably should have or [not] do, but that you don't necessarily have to take into account.

Get your console working: Steam -> My games -> L4D -> right click -> properties -> set launch options -> "-console"
Launch L4D -> type bind p "toggleconsole"
The menu system in L4D is dodgy. You can only access the console in-game that way, and just after launching the game.
Enable free-roaming camera Options ->multiplayer -> enable free-roaming camera
Record the game from your perspective TODO
Things that you probably shouldn't do (too often)
douchbag suicide jumping
Rambo/Leeroy Jenkins
Racing witches to the safe house
car-surfing
Etc...
:jester:

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Player list
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(USA/EU/AU) RN name/Steam name
EU/Ammon ra/re.wind
EU/Energizer bunny
EU/Lleman
EU/Gorb
EU/Meatkin/signum
USA/Kushan's wrath/yetanotherplayer
EU/BMB
EU/Dark Axel
EU/Scoiatollo
USA/Integrity
EU/Wargrim/zwiebel zombie
US/Scimitark/Makille
EU/Heretic
USA/Mokinokaro/???
EU/Elixir
EU/Kresjah
EU/cagecrawler
EU/Julian
US/BlackJak/Halfdragon
EU/Rowan Sjet
EU/Dess
USA/Shaitan
AU/Reki
EU/Ra Owa
US/Ira Arduro
EU/Stryer
EU/Chris/Chris Smith (goggles guy)
EU/Arinax/Assassin
USA/Immortal Chaos
USA/TeaSeeOh
EU/Ifitmovesnukit
EU/Techn0 VikinG [GER]

Energizer Bunny
8th Apr 09, 5:34 AM
Me me me!

Lleman
8th Apr 09, 5:41 AM
Count me in, fo sho!

Gorb
8th Apr 09, 5:42 AM
Early May is great for me, anything after that and I'll probably be too drunk (having finished exams and everything), and then it's the summer holidays (where I have no Internet connection :()

Meatkin
8th Apr 09, 6:11 AM

yetanotherplayer
8th Apr 09, 6:45 AM
As will I, so long as it doesn't conflict with exams.

BmB
8th Apr 09, 7:05 AM
I think I'll be fine anytime really.

Dark_Axel
8th Apr 09, 7:39 AM
I do!!!....

And I will get new hardware and we will tweak the server for this for maximum balance. :cool:
That would be so cool.

Lleman
8th Apr 09, 7:57 AM
Maximum balance meaning 0G environment and homing-missile Hunters, right? :D

scoiatollo
8th Apr 09, 7:59 AM
Count me in!

It really depends on the time cause in may I have nearly every So from 13-1900(GMT+1) a lecture, but afterwards or on Fr/Sa it's fine.

And may I suggest that everyone get a headset for that? ;)

edit: excellent idea Lleman, but you forgot the fire on everone else besides the admins and the constant slapping to improve morale ;)

Lleman
8th Apr 09, 8:05 AM
Ah well, headsets are indeed a necessity unless telepathy has been improved...
After that, it'll be up to each team to deal with their own, but no headset means a real disadvantage (and a good adv. for the opposing team :P)

Integrity
8th Apr 09, 11:14 AM
I can do it. ^^

May would be the most perfect for me, really any time.

Wargrim
8th Apr 09, 11:42 AM
No idea if i could do it, but if so, early may looks best.

Makille
8th Apr 09, 3:21 PM
I'm in! I know you said that you wanted 2 US, 2 EU, but who picks those? Are the teams formed be themselves or are they gonna be randomly assigned?

Also, My exams end May 20, so that would be a good time!

Lleman
8th Apr 09, 3:29 PM
Well, i suggest randomisation only in the case of those who haven't got a team set up already.

scoiatollo
8th Apr 09, 3:33 PM
Can I be in a team with ammon and Int?^^

Heretic
8th Apr 09, 4:14 PM
I'm in.

Mokino
8th Apr 09, 8:01 PM
I'm game, as long as game times don't interfere with work.

Elixir
9th Apr 09, 3:10 AM
I'm in. Hopefully being in a rather varied number of time zones won't screw all this up.

How are the teams going to be randomly generated?

Lleman
9th Apr 09, 4:37 AM
Hat. Papers. A pure hand...?

Integrity
9th Apr 09, 5:10 AM
Teams SHALL NOT be decided by the participants. I'd just say "gimme Ammon, Scoi, and XAmericanDolt" and that would be that. Game, set, match unless the director pulls some REAL bullshit. Better yet, that's two Americans and two Euros :D

But, yeh, to avoid all-stars this has to be impartially decided.

EDIT: Hm...I'm not sure who my all-star American dolt would be. I just remembered TCO. :D

scoiatollo
9th Apr 09, 5:22 AM
I like that team Int, and I support playing in that team when the whole thing starts ;)

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 10:25 AM

Lleman
9th Apr 09, 10:32 AM
I enlist EU-RNdolt Kresjah with his benediction ^^
Also, Heretic is EU-dolt too.

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 10:34 AM
Updated. :)

Heretic
9th Apr 09, 11:05 AM
Ammon, my steam name is Heretic.

cagecrawler
9th Apr 09, 11:22 AM
I'd be interested, depending on when it is.
(EU)cagecrawler/cagecrawler

Julian
9th Apr 09, 1:17 PM
I'm in, Steam nick under Julian. [EU]

BmB
9th Apr 09, 1:29 PM
•as is car-surfing. You make BmB sad panda. :'(

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 1:30 PM
updated. Internet decided to work in my room so i'll be updating this thread more frequently.

Don't be shy to post rules, suggestions, etc. :)

@Bmb, you can do what the fuck you want, but be prepared to get TKd by your team, bmb ;)

Integrity
9th Apr 09, 1:34 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and throw BJ in this. I told him about it, and he does have an account in here somewhere, but he had to go to work before he posted the post. :p

So, US/BlackJak/BlackJak

Gorb
9th Apr 09, 2:03 PM
Updating with Steam nick: EU (GB, fuckers)/Gorb/Gorb_Mort

rowan sjet
9th Apr 09, 2:35 PM
I'll play, EU/Rowan Sjet

BlackJak
9th Apr 09, 2:42 PM
I'm ticking in, I'm up for it, all my classes end last week of April so after that is good. My steam name is halfdragon13 but I'll show up as BlackJak.

yetanotherplayer
9th Apr 09, 2:48 PM
I'm in the USA. Steam name is yetanotheraccount though it'll show up as [aL] yetanotherplayer.

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 5:00 PM
blackjak, you're integrity's blackjack, yes?

Gorb, your steam name is Gorb, as i'm Looking at it right now, unless there's another dolt with the same name. Also EU is more generic as a region. unless the UK isn't part of europe. ^___^

Elixir
9th Apr 09, 5:05 PM
I've noted down a few thoughts on rules suggestions but I'm not sure how seriously we want to take this.

Screens shots should be taken by all players when the scores are shown at the end of every round to ensure an accurate record and avoid disputes.

I'd recommend players record every game. To record demos, you must have the developed console enabled in your option menu. At the start of the match, open the console and type: [record “file name”] to successfully record a demo. Do no use “/” in any file name when recording a demo, or it will not record.

All demos will be saved to the following directory: C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead\left4dead. Demo files will be recognizable by a “.dem” file extension at the end of the “file name”.

People setting off the car alarm, lift diving, going AFK, raging and gunning down team mates should be held accountable. This is a team game after all and one idiot can ruin it for all. It's not fair on the other players if they mess up the game. Perhaps we should kick them out of the tournament and replace them with a random member from another team? The demo file will prove whether or not they acted maliciously and computer logs can prove they crashed.

The points mod could also be used to to record individual scores for survivors and infected, griefers could have their scores reduced. An overall L4D champion could also be announced if we used this method.

Mic's are recommended.

All players must fully load before any games can start and indicate it in chat when they have done so. This is very important as it can often make a big difference top the game.

All pings must be within with +/-100ms of each other to avoid handicapping players.

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 5:12 PM
Good suggestions, although you can never guarantee pings, hence why i suggested having mixed teams, 2 eu & 2 usa or au, which should give relatively consistent average pings for all the 4-man teams. Even the rough approximations of USA/EU/AU aren't completely accurate though, as someone from Denmark *cough* can have a higher ping to a server in Holland than a person in Washington, for example. ;)

Elixir
9th Apr 09, 5:28 PM
With a variation of 200ms across the board we have a huge range to work in. I'd prefer +/- 50ms but with out a dedicated server that might be impossible. +/-100ms should be enough to soak up any errant players and level things out. We don't want things like two players on each team at 500ms and the other two on 100ms. Depending on who the 500ms players are you could doom the team if the others are of average and below skill.

We'll also need a random team generator. A transparent one as well to avoid complications. An individual adjudicator who doesn't know player strengths, weaknesses and usual interactions with others could also choose the teams.

Ammon Ra
9th Apr 09, 6:50 PM
We could as Dyntheos... :p

Mokino
9th Apr 09, 8:25 PM
Want me to code a simply random generator? Take less than an hour in VB.net

BmB
9th Apr 09, 11:56 PM
You could also ask www.random.org for a sequence of 20 numbers, apply them to the list and say number 1 is on team 1, 2 on 2, through 5 and then start over with 6.

Dark_Axel
10th Apr 09, 12:18 AM
Elixir,

When I have my dedicated server improved with new hardware, then it should be capable to keep the pings as low as it can. Further optimisation can be made by tweaking the bandwidth and cmdrate settings of the server. Furthermore, we can tweak the server whatever we want.
I just need to check that some modifications don't ruin the general game. Since the current admin mod clearly breaks a couple of things which it shouldn't.

I hope that there will be some stable mods out there quickly after the SDK update. I do know that certain mods which are in the pipeline could be interesting.
-L4D has at least 12 slots, 4 survivors, 4 infected, 4 spectators. At the moment the game is locked at 8 players, there will probably be a few mods to enable a spectator. Who could watch the match, record it and act as a referee.
-There is already a 'ready up' mod out there, I haven't tested it. But it might prove to be usefull.
-There is a team enforcer, which checks for switched teammembers at the start of every round. Haven't checked it out yet.
-We might be able to modify the directors ability to spawn pills/medpacks. Granting a bit more fair gameplay.

Dancealot
10th Apr 09, 1:00 AM
to quote Ammon "People who aren't relicdolts but we know decently well (Dancealot, erm...?)"

Yeah, well i actually do have an account here. Gues u know me a little better now.

And i wont be able to make it. I'm going on a long vacation 27 april to 24 june. Sorry.

Dess_Aramea
10th Apr 09, 1:26 AM
Ammon, you best sign me up for that awesome shit! :D

EU - Dess

scoiatollo
10th Apr 09, 1:31 AM
EU/Scoiatello

I know my nick sounds like Otello, but it's really scoiatollo ;)

BmB
10th Apr 09, 2:34 AM
We could as Dyntheos... :p Bans will be involved.

Ammon Ra
10th Apr 09, 3:50 AM
:( well, have a fun trip, dance. We'll try to have fun without you. Mok', you are very welcome to try, and scoiatollo is such a nitpicker. ;)

currently have 21 dolts, or 5 teams and 1 individual. we either need 3 more people, which will get us to a nice round 6 teams, or another 8 dolts to get to 8, since 7 teams will be rather hard to work out. That is, if nobody drops out due to unknown unknowns. :-{

It also looks like mid-may is going to be the ideal time.

Integrity
10th Apr 09, 4:44 AM
Ammon: I just got back to this thread. Yes, the BlackJak who posted earlier with the Pioneer avatar is my BlackJak, who is held responsible for sabotage. ;)

reki
10th Apr 09, 8:57 AM
iM IN

Shaitan
10th Apr 09, 10:10 AM
Im in. If someone will have me.

Integrity
10th Apr 09, 10:16 AM
You're mine, fucker. ^^

EDIT: Er, I mean, on my team, not like I'm gonna NOM you.

Shaitan
10th Apr 09, 10:28 AM
Haha. Either way, fun will be had by all :). I think I'm one of the few who NEVER rages. So even if we're on opposite teams and I get a healthy serving of pain I'm still looking forward to it.

Ammon Ra
10th Apr 09, 10:57 AM
I may regret saying this, especially if i'm in it, but i sort of pity the team with reki in it. :p We'd need more aussie dolts though. I know agdune is down under...

Then again, you did get a stable 300 ping on Dark's local host. (not dedicated)

Ra owa
13th Apr 09, 3:15 AM
any room for me?

EU :)

Integrity
13th Apr 09, 3:57 AM
I volunteer to take Reki on my team. I'm used to the terrible ping. :p

Gorb
13th Apr 09, 4:44 AM
No no no no no Int, you've got it wrong. I've got to have reki on my team, so that I can fulfill BmB's totally-always-correct assumption that I bitch about pings all the time.

:D

13th Apr 09, 10:40 AM
I'm so hot for this. Count me in. You know my Steam ID and I'm from the US of A.

Due to work and what not I can only play after 5pm EST. Though if that doesn't work out I can always take half a sick day. ;)

Ammon Ra
14th Apr 09, 4:28 AM
so yeah, Easter weekend + IT services being shut till tuesday + university network breaking down for 4/5 days = annoying.

So that brings us to 25 dolts. 24 would have given us a nice round 6 teams, and it looks like we're on our way to 7 teams, which is a very bad thing. So we need another 7 dolts, or figure out how to get a 7 team tourny going since the only balanced way of doing 7-team tourny is for each team to play against all the other. that sums up to a grand total of 20 games total, with 6 games per team, which is not very feasible.

One way to solve it is to have two groups of three teams and a fourth group of 4 teams, playing a round against each other to see who comes out on top. Then the winner of those three groups play against each other. it's not really going to be that fair, but that assumes we can find another 3 people. :)

I know Chris -the goggles do nothing-, zellfish/2k, & fuggles play relatively regularly. If someone could be kind enough to spam invites? ;)

BmB
14th Apr 09, 5:20 AM
No no no no no Int, you've got it wrong. I've got to have reki on my team, so that I can fulfill BmB's totally-always-correct assumption that I bitch about pings all the time.

:D Except when the pings are American. ;)

stryer
14th Apr 09, 6:39 AM
Sign me up too

EU/Stryer

Chris
14th Apr 09, 12:30 PM
Been without computer for about a month, bit rusty but would love to take part.

Steam account name: Porkus_Maximus
Steam screen name: Chris Smith
Location: UK

I voted for mid-May to be the most convenient time but I'm not particularly bothered. If a Witch spawns on Blood Harvest 2, I will not be held responsible for any Witch Racing that may or may not occur.

Arinax
14th Apr 09, 1:00 PM
Count me IN !!!

Ammon Ra
14th Apr 09, 2:47 PM
Arinax, Location in the general form of "USA/EU/AU" and steam name?

this is just to help balance out teams, at least for the pings, after the randomization of teams, and so that we know who's who on the relicnews steam group. :)

Also, can i get someone to partially take over some of the planning/workings of this as my internet is...unreliable at best. :( :-/

scoiatollo
14th Apr 09, 3:48 PM
Assassin on steam, location about 5km away from me ;)

I'd try to manage it Ammon, what do you need? randomised teams? a schedule? I'd edit the first post but that's something I can't do without proper rights ;)

Makille
14th Apr 09, 3:59 PM
Yep, Im certainly in. Just need to make sure to keep watching this thread. Bookmarking it to do so :D

RN: Scimitark
Steam: Makille
Location: US South

Mokino
14th Apr 09, 7:05 PM
US

Eastern time to be precise. Available during the day until the end of the month, nights after that.

I need to reinstall the game actually.

Ammon Ra
15th Apr 09, 6:39 AM
okay, changed.

Internet is a bit more stable now, but i have university stuff to attend to, so i think i'm going to leave scoia and dark in charge for the time being. Dark probably because it'll be played on his new and improved server. I assume.

We're still at a nice prime 7 teams,

BmB
15th Apr 09, 6:49 AM

Ammon Ra
15th Apr 09, 7:14 AM
that's my guess. For 7 teams
Group 1
A, B, C
each team plays 2 matches. Team with most points progresses
Group 2
D, E, F, G
Each team plays 3 games, team with most points progresses.
Final
Winners of group 1 and group2 play against each other.
Total number of games: 10

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Alternative version:

A vs B
C vs D
Three-team-group
E, F, G
Finals
Three teams play each other for the title.
Total number of games: 1+1+2+1+2+1 = 8

Yeah, so this one is preferable.

ImmortalChaos
18th Apr 09, 10:53 PM
/me was talking witccccccccccccccc

Just wondering, am I too late? I'd totally be up for teamkilling my way out of a tourney bracket!

reki
19th Apr 09, 12:15 AM
I may regret saying this, especially if i'm in it, but i sort of pity the team with reki in it.
Last time I played on the dolt server, I topped the scores in nearly every round. Ping isn't everything in L4D - I've had scoia & Elixir join Aussie servers on several occasions & be competitive too.

It's harder, but it's not something you need to pity people about Ammon. Thanks for the warm welcome...

.

Ammon Ra
19th Apr 09, 4:55 AM
No harsh feeling reki. Knowing my luck we'll probably be on the same team ;) :D

sure Chaos, now find 3 more dolts so we can have a nice round simple 8 teams.

scoiatollo
19th Apr 09, 5:26 AM
How about ammon, int, reki and me in one team? :D

Ammon Ra
19th Apr 09, 6:06 AM
That works. ^_^

Gorb
19th Apr 09, 6:56 AM
I just want to say for the record: If those dolts do indeed end up together, hell will reign on Earth.

(i.e. No way in hell is that team forming, scoia :p)

Ammon Ra
19th Apr 09, 7:25 AM
How about Me, Dark, Scoia & Chris then gorb? That any better? ;)

There are plenty of regulars and respectable players here that makes it difficult for two or more of them not to be on the same team.

Dark_Axel
19th Apr 09, 8:17 AM
How about Me, Dark, Scoia & Chris then gorb? That any better? Dream Team :banana:

Have been working on my trains (http://home.student.utwente.nl/a.j.m.vanmelsen/temp/RhB_203_205_gravel.JPG) in the weekend, such nice weather lately.
But I shall see about ordering new hardware for the server. I think I will settle with a Intel Q9xxx setup, and start with a small HDD. I will upgrade it later with a second harddrive for personal fileserver storage purposes.

I hope I can get it up in 2 weeks, but live will get a bit hectic here. Since my sister and parents are going on vacation, and I need to take care of the dog. Also SBK next week...

scoiatollo
19th Apr 09, 10:14 AM
I can live with that team as well^^ I just posted that team as an attempt to compensate the possible lag of 2 players with 2 more trained dolts ;)

I'm really amused how much the community fears me and ammon in the same team^^

Ammon Ra
19th Apr 09, 10:44 AM
Likewise, scoia, likewise. Must be some kind of psycological damage inflicted over time as we were on the same team... :D

Dark_Axel
19th Apr 09, 11:22 AM
Nah, it's the combination of 2 admins and my MotD (http://home.student.utwente.nl/a.j.m.vanmelsen/relic/L4D/motd.htm)

Ammon Ra
19th Apr 09, 11:24 AM
Maybe...just maybe. Why don't people fear you the most, then dark? ;)

In any case, it looks like the second week of may is the better time to have this here tourny. which is enough time for you lot to polish up your skills and learn the new campaigns.

Shaitan
19th Apr 09, 2:38 PM
I'll take all comers, I fear nothing. ;)

Lleman
19th Apr 09, 3:06 PM
Not even me in your team? Be afraid, very afraid... :D

Ra owa
20th Apr 09, 12:36 AM
Is this going to be a 'names out of a hat' kind of thing? Would probably be the most fair way.

Ammon Ra
20th Apr 09, 2:39 AM
yes, it will be random. assign a number to each person, put through a random number/team generator and voilà. Some manual tweaking thereafter to balance out pings and skills, since it's possible that some uber-team will emerge.

Wargrim
20th Apr 09, 3:30 AM
If i am able to make it at the point of time we have yet to chose, i reserve the right to recruit my brother into my team in case one of the other 3 players in it bails out for a match for whatever reason. Fear the Asu tank! :p

Dark_Axel
20th Apr 09, 10:37 AM
Why don't people fear you the most, then dark?I dunno, maybe I'm cute and cuddly.

I'm certainly not the best, but I ussually don't play competitive. Untill I play with some dolts to grief pubs, which turn out to be French Clanners :moefixed:
Never trust a Squirrel; that was the lesson I learned back then. At least we won the match after we all turned up the pace a notch or two. It was epic...

Anywayz, I have spoken with some students of the hardware shop. The Asus barebone is a bad idea for a 24/7 server, since it uses low-end parts (MoBo/PSU). So I'm tweaking the server specs a bit for some better quality componements. It will be a sweet beast of a server, although slightly over budget. But at least I will have a top of the bill server for personal use and for hosting a (couple of) dedicated source server(s) which will be powerfull enough for +5 years of work, so it will probably be worth it in the end.

Anyways, provide I will order it this week, it will probably be one or two weeks before the parts arrive. So hopefully it will be ready around the first week of May.

scoiatollo
20th Apr 09, 10:44 AM
I'm certainly not the best, but I ussually don't play competitive. Untill I play with some dolts to grief pubs, which turn out to be French Clanners
Never trust a Squirrel; that was the lesson I learned back then. At least we won the match after we all turned up the pace a notch or two. It was epic...
Oh yeah, that were 2 more than epic campaigns that were quite close... I've left you outside to die right? (happens more often than you may think^^)
We should have added them to our friendslist simply to train with them... I wish we'd had a demo of those 2 Campaigns... =/

Ammon Ra
20th Apr 09, 12:43 PM
l4d does store a list of players you're recently played against, but after X number of people the older ones get deleted. fyi.

scoiatollo
20th Apr 09, 12:48 PM
I know, but that game was 2 month ago or even longer... ;)

A176
20th Apr 09, 4:56 PM
i'll bring a whole team but i need a date ;|

Mokino
21st Apr 09, 6:32 PM
Bad news. My new work schedule doesn't start until the 17th now. I won't be able to participate before then.

TeaSeeOh
25th Apr 09, 4:14 AM
Just curious, but do you guys have room for another team? Or is it too late to even sign up?

With the latest DLC do you guys also have a date setup?

Dark_Axel
25th Apr 09, 11:49 AM
I don't know really...
A final date hasn't been decided yet.

But I vote for something around 20th may (mid-late may), so that Mokinokaro can join too.
I'm also going to order the parts for the server soon, so it won't be before 10 may that I will have it up, if everything goes as planned.

Ammon Ra
25th Apr 09, 11:51 AM
tco, you don't enter a team, you enter people. the teams are decided randomly to avoid team stacking. ;)

I'm also guessing around the middle of may. RL is a bit hectic at the moment, so apologies if i haven't been spamming the thread. ;)

TeaSeeOh
25th Apr 09, 3:57 PM
Ah I see. So, would it be possible if I could put my name up there?

USA, TeaSeeOh/TeaSeeOh.

Ammon Ra
25th Apr 09, 5:48 PM
Done. :)

We now have 7.5 teams, two more people and we have a nice round even 8 teams. 9 teams isn't impossible, but if you can dig up enough dolts, that is the question.

So yeah, 2 more people then we're full, tentatively.

Ifitmovesnukeit
26th Apr 09, 3:00 AM
Wouldn't miss this if I can avoid it (see below). End of June is best for me 'cause that's when all my Uni work is done... anything earlier and I'll have to see how busy I am (early May and early-mid June = unlikely).

However, I seem to have done something to my CPU fan in the last couple of days when transporting my box around... this thing's running waaay too hot even under fairly mundane circumstances and I've had to opt out of any sort of gaming until I can get it fixed. No time at the moment as there is the small issue of exams of doom over the next couple of weeks.

That said, I'm EU category, and most of the L4D regulars know my SteamID, but:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197999915594

technoviking
26th Apr 09, 10:13 AM
i will play too :-)
EU //Techn0 VikinG [GER]

Lleman
26th Apr 09, 10:26 AM
So, if i'm not mistaken, with NukeIt and Vik, we're now 8 full teams, right? Good for a simpler-to-organise tourney. :D

Ammon Ra
26th Apr 09, 10:37 AM
Yes, we are.

Any volunteers to make random teams?

Note that whatever teams come out of said generator will be manually changed to take ping into account. I.e. having a team with 3 usa dolts & reki on it play on an EU server won't be fair to them when playing against a team with only EU dolts. At least ping-wise.

cagecrawler
26th Apr 09, 11:53 AM
Teams below consist of 3EU/1US or 2EU/2US. I counted Reki as US for these purposes.
Team 1:
EU/Elixir
EU/Kresjah
EU/cagecrawler
AU/Reki

Team 2:
EU/Dess
EU/Scoiatollo
EU/Arinax/Assassin
USA/Immortal Chaos

Team 3:
EU/Energizer bunny
EU/Techn0 VikinG [GER]
EU/Heretic
USA/Integrity

Team 4:
EU/Dark Axel
EU/BMB
EU/Julian
USA/TeaSeeOh

Team 5:
EU/Ifitmovesnukit
EU/Stryer
EU/Wargrim/zwiebel zombie
US/BlackJak/Halfdragon

Team 6:
EU/Ra Owa
EU/Chris/Chris Smith (goggles guy)
EU/Lleman
USA/Shaitan

Team 7:
EU/Gorb
EU/Meatkin/signum
USA/Mokinokaro/???
US/Ira Arduro

Team 8:
EU/Ammon ra/re.wind
EU/Rowan Sjet
US/Scimitark/Makille
USA/Kushans wrath/yetanotherplayer

Script used to generate them:

<?php
$eu = array('EU/Ammon ra/re.wind', 'EU/Energizer bunny', 'EU/Lleman', 'EU/Gorb', 'EU/Meatkin/signum', 'EU/BMB', 'EU/Dark Axel', 'EU/Scoiatollo', 'EU/Wargrim/zwiebel zombie', 'EU/Heretic', 'EU/Elixir', 'EU/Kresjah', 'EU/cagecrawler', 'EU/Julian', 'EU/Rowan Sjet', 'EU/Dess', 'EU/Ra Owa', 'EU/Stryer', 'EU/Chris/Chris Smith (goggles guy)', 'EU/Arinax/Assassin', 'EU/Ifitmovesnukit', 'EU/Techn0 VikinG [GER]');$us = array('USA/Kushans wrath/yetanotherplayer',
'USA/Immortal Chaos',
'USA/TeaSeeOh',
'US/Ira Arduro',
'USA/Shaitan',
'US/BlackJak/Halfdragon',
'USA/Mokinokaro/???',
'US/Scimitark/Makille',
'USA/Integrity',
'AU/Reki');

shuffle($eu); shuffle($us);

for($i = 1;$i <= 6;$i++){ echo "Team$i:\n";
echo array_shift($eu)."\n"; echo array_shift($eu)."\n";
echo array_shift($eu)."\n"; echo array_shift($us)."\n\n";
}
for($i = 7;$i <= 8;$i++){ echo "Team$i:\n";
echo array_shift($eu)."\n"; echo array_shift($eu)."\n";
echo array_shift($us)."\n"; echo array_shift($us)."\n\n";
}

rowan sjet
26th Apr 09, 1:22 PM
Excellent. /Burns

Wargrim
26th Apr 09, 1:27 PM
I guess we do not make all matches at the same weekend? Because that would take more time then most of us have. And i can definitely not play late may, early may would be best, mid may acceptable, but not late may. So if we do this over several weekends, i would like to go early with my group, be it the one Cage proposed or be it reorganized to stick people together that can play at a certain time.

Ammon Ra
26th Apr 09, 2:29 PM
yeah, this is probably going to take a week or two. Mokin can't play before the 17 may, so we're going to have to fit the teams to when they can play, at least for the first set of games.

Also, hi rowan \o

TeaSeeOh
26th Apr 09, 10:54 PM
:(

I wanted Scoi on my team.

BmB and Dark will have to do.

Ra owa
27th Apr 09, 12:43 AM
ah cool, 8 teams :)

May the best (or most comical) team win!

Meatkin
27th Apr 09, 1:34 AM
Seven is my lucky number. This is going to be epic!

scoiatollo
27th Apr 09, 2:08 AM
Sorry TCO that you can't listen to my comments on the massive failures of our team ;)

BmB
27th Apr 09, 2:24 AM
So is it on Dark's server?

Integrity
27th Apr 09, 5:42 AM
Fuck. At least I got EB, right? :D I've never played with my other teammates.

My money's on Team 4, personally.

Wargrim
27th Apr 09, 5:44 AM
Unless BMB decides the other team is not enough of a challenge...

BmB
27th Apr 09, 6:36 AM
This is a tournament; I probably won't be dicking around.

27th Apr 09, 6:39 AM
Seven is my favorite number.

Ammon Ra
27th Apr 09, 8:35 AM
*huge sigh of relief*

Right, presentation and submission out of the way, i now have some free time to waste.

Next step is to randomly decide which the pairing of teams for the first 4 games. unless we agree to just have 1v2, 3v4, 5v6, 7v8.

/cue cagecrawler.

Integrity
27th Apr 09, 8:46 AM
I say 1v2, 3v4, 5v6, 7v8 and call it a day.

Dark_Axel
27th Apr 09, 11:00 AM
So is it on Dark's server?Only if I get the new server up and running on time, BmB.
The current old P4 hardware is just to crappy to handle it. I'm currently working out the new hardware and figuring out where to order it. I also got some very good suggestions from the students ITshop, so I changed my list a bit. Despite the fact that it will be more expensive then I wanted it to be originally. I do have made some choice to make sure I get better, more durable componements. So hopefully it will be more stable on the long run.
And provide me with some good services in the future.. +5 years, then it will be worth the investment.

Chris
28th Apr 09, 6:24 AM
I'm feeling pretty lucky right now since I'm very familiar with Shaitan and I've recently played a few games with Lleman too. Played some DoW 2 with Ra Owa, so I reckon we should have a pretty tight team. :D

Ammon Ra
28th Apr 09, 6:44 AM
As long as lleman gets the tanks, everyone else will be fine ;)

Energizer Bunny
28th Apr 09, 8:13 AM
Hey Integrity, lets get ready to rumble!

Who are TechnoViking and Heretic? I'm encouraged that TechnoViking is German. All Germans seem to be naturally brilliant and L4D.

Wargrim
28th Apr 09, 8:28 AM
Unlike those Austrians.
( :hug: )

Elixir
28th Apr 09, 8:39 AM
I know Reki is a good player from some early morning games and I swear I've played a game or three with Kresjah but I'm at a loss as to who Cagecrawler is!

It's nigh time I picked up a mic that works with steam I guess.

Energizer Bunny
28th Apr 09, 9:58 AM
My money's on team 2 or team 6 at this stage. Simply because I see several names in each of those teams that I know are capable players.

ImmortalChaos
28th Apr 09, 10:09 AM
I'm a capable player? What?

Chris
28th Apr 09, 10:10 AM
Capable of getting yourself killed amirite.

scoiatollo
28th Apr 09, 10:27 AM
My team? Hmm... interesting... ^^

rowan sjet
28th Apr 09, 10:55 AM
I need to figure out how I can play this properly at Uni, rather than having to wait til I can get home at weekends.

28th Apr 09, 10:59 AM
You know team 7 is going to whoop you all. You might as well bend over and take it. :muffy: We're already plotting your demise.

Energizer Bunny
28th Apr 09, 11:06 AM
I'm a capable player? What?

I meant the other 3.

Just kidding. But seriously.

You know team 7 is going to whoop you all. You might as well bend over and take it.

I have team 7 down as an easy victory. I'll probably give the others the night off and just do it with bots. Maybe go for akimbo assassin at the same time.

scoiatollo
28th Apr 09, 11:09 AM
Let's put it this way Ira, my money is on ammon's team for the first round ;)

For the overal victory I'm undecided between teams 4,5 and 6. They are all regular players and with the last 2 tanks Lleman got he pretty much annihilated the enemy team. So yeah.....

edit: EB have you actually played with AssAssin?^^ I mean he isn't bad but like BmB he tends to ignore orders and isn't playing that often ;)

Lleman
28th Apr 09, 11:10 AM
As long as lleman gets the tanks, everyone else will be fine Hey Ammon, at least i don't carsurf as a tank... :p Besides like ole Grasshopper, i learned well from my masters. I'm a new man now, er.. i mean tank, TANK!!! ^^

Who are TechnoViking and Heretic?Vik is a recent 'find' who's got some good 'resilience' (and yes, he's German) and Heretic is a DoW modder from the BFG mod, the valhallans, IW, amongst others... (check Dow Mods In Progress). He's just got the habit of unnerving his own team with talk about his nakedness but plays pretty decently. :D

Gorb
28th Apr 09, 11:11 AM
Ohh, EB . . . I shall reserve my Hunter pounces for you ;)

28th Apr 09, 11:36 AM
pfffft Who is this Ammon you speak of? We have a crazy scotsman on our team.

edit - btw we need to lay some ground rules.
1. Acceptable pings?
2. Should we allow people to force a return to lobby if their game is laggy?
3. Under what circumstances can a redo be demanded? (fail spawn tanks, excessive medpack favoring, etc)
4. Is this single round elimination or best out of 3?
5. anything else?

EDIT2 - We should be allowed to award silly individual awards to someone on the opposing team. For instance let's say Makille as a tank really pwns my team one round I can award him some humorous award for his play. It doesn't have to be an award for something particular flattering though.

scoiatollo
28th Apr 09, 11:50 AM
1) everything between 0 and 300 (excluding Reki from that rule probably would be best)
2) if the server is "laggy" (not ping related lag) I'd say restarting the game should be the right move
3) only lag should count, everything else is pure luck based and since L4D is based on the director favouring one side there's no other reason
4) one full campaign sohuld be time enough, everything else would simply need too much time
5) ragejumping is forbidden! ;)

edit: thinking about it, one should record the game so we can hand out the prize to the "most awesome tank action", "best teamwork", "best drag", etc...

Dark_Axel
28th Apr 09, 12:31 PM
If I get the server fixed on time, we can control some stuff.
Maybe I can get some restraints on the director, limiting MedPacks or something would be nice. I got a beta build of the admin mod running, and it seems to have fixed some issues.

Also, me and Scoia will probably try to build in some funny surprises which don't interfere the gameplay. If it works an admin will oversee the fairness of the game, and activate the surprises (cue music for the right mood)... :crazy:

28th Apr 09, 12:53 PM
That would be best. Though hopefully admins have become more sane since last I played against them. >_>

EDIT: map preference? I prefer BH or NM.

Integrity
28th Apr 09, 1:08 PM
I like casting my vote in one-liner posts.

I think the whole tournament should be done on No Mercy.

Meatkin
28th Apr 09, 1:13 PM
Agreed, new maps are a little too new. Most won't have much experience with them I'm guessing. At least everyone is sort of on a level playing field with No Mercy.

BmB
28th Apr 09, 1:25 PM
edit: thinking about it, one should record the game so we can hand out the prize to the "most awesome tank action", "best teamwork", "best drag", etc... SourceTV? Spectators recording demos?

scoiatollo
28th Apr 09, 1:28 PM
If you know how to implement source TV pls go on ;) other than that I was tinking about a spec recording.

As for the maps, I'd prefer the original campaigns (NM/BH) since the new ones are crap imo.

@Ira: since this is serious business this time no mod will fuck one team up, that's for sure.

rowan sjet
28th Apr 09, 1:31 PM
It doesn't really matter which maps, considering competing teams will be playing the same one.

Or will we be doing an actual leaderboard, not just looking for an overall winner? If it's a leaderboard then yes, NM would be best.

scoiatollo
28th Apr 09, 1:38 PM
Overall winner, but the point is that the new maps are bugged as hell right now. Invisible walls all over the place, climbing routes that lead no where, etc...

Ammon Ra
28th Apr 09, 1:44 PM
As long as makille doesn't quit because of IMBA or silly game, our team will be fine if yetanotherplayer does well.

Shaitan
28th Apr 09, 1:45 PM
I'm liking the teams. They seem pretty spread out with not stacked ones. Though there may be some favourites, I think any advantage looks marginal. Should be interesting.

As for rules, I don't think there should be any ragejumping, or attempted ragejumping in some cases :p.

Wargrim
28th Apr 09, 1:55 PM
I hate No Mercy. Mostly the finale, as infected you spawn in such retarded places sometime... i would prefere Blood Harvest. Not as bugged/unknown for the people that dislike/are not used to the new maps yet, but more fun then No Mercy.

So my preferences would be Blood Harvest > Death Toll > No Mercy > Dead Air ( Dead Air is fun for non tournament matches, but can be cheesed out so easy its not good for a tourney imho. )

Elixir
28th Apr 09, 1:57 PM
I really really hope steam doesn't perform an update and drop kick me from the game as it is known to do. It would suck.

I predict some good matches ahead. It's going to be rather stressful come game time.

cagecrawler
28th Apr 09, 2:34 PM
For details on SourceTV, see the Valve Developer Wiki:
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SourceTV

As for maps, I prefer BH but any are good.

BmB
28th Apr 09, 3:57 PM
The SourceTV master can record games without any data loss or network delay. All events and entities are recorded and the demo file can be played back just like a normal client demo (use the demoui for playback). This is important. A normal client demo only records relevant events, that is a smoker in another PVS than the player will not be visible in the demo. And you can't see nor hear yourself. A SourceTV demo would allow for all players to be visible from any angle at any speed.

Meatkin
29th Apr 09, 12:10 AM
Does it record VoIP communication too?

scoiatollo
29th Apr 09, 12:40 AM
It records all the ingame chat, if you are using something else than that it won't record it.

BmB
29th Apr 09, 5:02 AM
No "tank every level" shit plox.

Lleman
29th Apr 09, 5:32 AM
Yeah, and no specials every level too while you're at it... tanks are part of the spice of the game. If one team has the tank, the other has it too, so why would it be removed?

BmB
29th Apr 09, 7:06 AM

Tanks every level is so incredibly boring. One or two that can really turn the tide is awesome and fun. But there is such a thing as too much.

Wargrim
29th Apr 09, 7:18 AM
I agree. Tank every level takes out the element of surprise, plus on many servers that are modded this way it is borked and sends the tank as soon as you get out of the safe room. That is really no fun there.

Ammon Ra
1st May 09, 3:32 AM
Only if you have a fail tank-artillery. *cough*

But otherwise i agree. Then again, aside from dark's shenanigans, his local host is vanilla, nothing modded. if the director spawns two witches next to, or inside of each other, or two tanks for one team and no tanks for the other team, don't blame the host/server. Blame the director for epic random giggles & curse-words ;)

Dark_Axel
1st May 09, 4:00 AM
Yeah, my local host is unmodded.
So aside from vanilla L4D director doing strange things, or me putting sv-cheats on for a moment (you can see this in the message log). Leaving me and Ammon to abuse some CVAR's and spawns :twisted:

There will be no shenanigans of any kind during the tournament and if possible/available we will try to mod the suffer only to make gameplay more even without breaking it. We are mainly interested in fixing the tank/witch spawns to a blanced state, and balancing the medpacks spawning. I do hope there will be a plugin in the making to fix this to only 4 medpacks at the start plus an assortment of pills during the level.

Black
1st May 09, 9:14 AM

if you want to set up a proper competition server.

Dark_Axel
1st May 09, 9:40 AM
Cool, thanx..
Seems to be the same admin mod.

O, and look...
Ammon is going to love this...

//Adjust tank spawns: 100% chance on every map
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance_intro 1
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance_finale 1
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance 1

//Adjust witch spawns: 0% chance on 1,5, default chance on 2,3,4
sm_cvar versus_witch_chance_intro 0
sm_cvar versus_witch_chance_finale 0
sm_resetcvar versus_witch_chance

//Adjust boss spawn completion rates: 90% on 1-4
sm_cvar versus_boss_flow_max_intro 0.9
sm_cvar versus_boss_flow_max 0.9

//Tanks spawn in the same place for both teams
sm_cvar versus_tank_flow_team_variation 0.0

//Allow players to switch teams 9999 times per map
sm_cvar vs_max_team_switches 9999

//Turn almost all spawnable medkits into pills
sm_cvar director_convert_pills 0
sm_cvar director_vs_convert_pills 0.0
sm_cvar director_pain_pill_density 5.0

//Disable tank suiciding if no AI path to survivors
sm_cvar tank_stuck_time_suicide 99999999999

//Disable all SM plugins except for core, RUP, scores

exec cevo_map.cfg

//Configure the RUP plugin

//Configure the scores plugin
l4d_team_order 3 // ABABA

//Restart the map after 5 seconds
sm_restartmap
I guess most of those versus CVAR's are not listed standard. Cool, this means tweaking my local... and dedicated server when I got it fixed.

Ammon Ra
1st May 09, 10:19 AM
More witches with more health please.
intro & finale: 0.1 (x100 for % chance)
2nd & 4th: 0.25 (x100 for % chance)
3rd: 0.3 (x100 for % chance)
Witch health: 3x crown damage.

Dark_Axel
1st May 09, 12:09 PM
For the moment I will settle with the following settings...

//Adjust tank spawns: 100% chance on every map
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance_intro 0.25
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance_finale 0.25
sm_cvar versus_tank_chance 0.75

//Adjust witch spawns: 0% chance on 1,5, default chance on 2,3,4
sm_cvar versus_witch_chance_intro 0.75
sm_cvar versus_witch_chance_finale 0.75
sm_cvar versus_witch_chance 0.8

//Adjust boss spawn completion rates: 90% on 1-4
sm_cvar versus_boss_flow_max_intro 0.9
sm_cvar versus_boss_flow_max 0.9

//Tanks spawn in the same place for both teams
sm_cvar versus_tank_flow_team_variation 0.1We can tweak these the comming weeks. Also need to check which are the witch health cvar's.

Integrity
1st May 09, 12:29 PM
What's a boss spawn completion rate?

BmB
1st May 09, 2:49 PM
No "tank every level" shit plox.
//Adjust tank spawns: 100% chance on every map?????

EDIT: *slaps self* oh you changed it. :p Though why not just leave it default? Game default that is.

Ammon Ra
1st May 09, 6:17 PM
Witch cvars.

z_witch_allow_change_victim : 1 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_anger_rate : 0 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_attack_range : 60 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_berserk_range : 200 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_burn_time : 15 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_damage : 100 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_damage_per_kill_hit : 30 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_discard_range : 2000 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_flashlight_range : 400 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_health : 1000 : , "sv", "cheat" : Witch max health
z_witch_hostile_at_me_anger : 2 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_max_retreat_range : 2000 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_max_threat_time : 7 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_min_retreat_range : 750 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_min_threat_time : 5 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_personal_space : 100 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_relax_rate : 0 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_retreat_exit_hidden_duration : 10 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_retreat_exit_range : 1000 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_retreat_min_duration : 10 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_speed : 300 : , "sv", "cheat", "rep" :
z_witch_speed_inured : 200 : , "sv", "cheat", "rep" :
z_witch_threat_hostile_range : 600 : , "sv", "cheat" :
z_witch_threat_normal_range : 300 : , "sv", "cheat" :

Dark_Axel
3rd May 09, 1:33 AM
@Ammon; I'm unsure if z_witch_health also applies to versus. So extrapolating on the other CVAR's I also added versus_witch_health. I set both to 1500, making it a bit more difficult to kill her. I'm unsure if crowning is still possible. Tank health remains unchanged, but if it works on the witch, I might want to change it to 5000 instead of 4000. Giving it a bit more chance head on against the survivors.

Enabling CEVO settings will set the password as 'Hiigara' to close it off from pubs or uninvited friends. So don't forget to switch CEVO off after playing.

Also the following gameplay commands apply.
--------------------------

(The following commands are all in chat)

* !ready - change player status to "readied up" (when all 8 players are ready the round will start)
* !unready - change player status to "not ready" (if going AFK or want to abort live countdown)

* !forcestart - force starts the match even if not all players are ready
* !abort - aborts an impending live countdown (i.e. if the match was forcefully started)

Commands at any time:

* !reready - ask for a ready-up period at the end of the first half (usually the second half will be live right away)
* !printscores - prints the scores for each previously played map, and the campaign scores

* !restartround - manually restarts a round one-time, do this twice so the teams are swapped back to normal (does not swap score! only swaps teams!)
* !restartmap - rcon changelevels to the current map (and resets the team scores to 0)

* !swap <player1> [player2] ... [playerN] - swap all listed players to opposite teams
* !swapteams - swaps the infected and survivor teams
* !swapscores - swaps the campaign scores
* !resetscores - resets the campaign scores to 0/0

Chris
5th May 09, 10:55 AM

Makille
10th May 09, 6:07 PM
I like my team, looks good.

As long as makille doesn't quit because of IMBA or silly game, our team will be fine if yetanotherplayer does well.

I will be the first to admit I bitch and moan about the game, but I NEVER /rage on Dolts. I will occasionally do it on stupid pubby teams, but only when my team is stupid, not because the opposing players are good.

Anybody every play with Yetanother? I have not even heard of him, so it will be interesting.

And do we have a definitive date schedule? I didn't see it in the thread and would like to know as something came up this week and I have to be out 21- 24th (maybe 25). Would be good to know.

Lleman
15th May 09, 4:44 PM
So, to make it clear for everyone since the info has eluded some of the contestants (and because i wasn't able to give a precise timeframe when asked about it :P), when is the tourney taking place?

scoiatollo
15th May 09, 5:06 PM
The parts should be here next week so maybe we'll have a server till the next weekend

Dark_Axel
16th May 09, 3:02 AM
They promised me this week, Scoia...
But it's not set in stone, so we can only hope for the best.
And then I just hope that all parts work as advertised :cool:

scoiatollo
16th May 09, 3:47 AM
The parts should be here next week ...

;)

From the list you gave me tis should be a beast...^^

Dark_Axel
16th May 09, 6:03 AM
Coolermaster CM-690 (black, no PSU)
480W Coolermaster eXtreme Power Passive PFC (80mm fan, 20/24p)
MSI P45 Neo3-FR (P43 model wasn't available anymore)
Asus EAH4350 SILENT

S775 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 (2.66GHz 6MB 1333FSB x64)
4096MB (2x2048) PC-2-6400/DDR2-800, Kingston Valueram, CL5.0

640GB Western Digital Caviar Black (7200rpm, SATA II, 32MB, WD6401AALS)
DVD (SATA)

It will be upgraded later with a set of HDD's for a personal file server.

scoiatollo
27th May 09, 2:00 AM
Since we have a non lagging server now, how about starting the tournament this weekend? I don't have uni till next wednesday so what's up folks?^^

Dark_Axel
27th May 09, 2:47 AM
It seems that I have things running on my end...
Steam services runs on system level, even Ammon has acces through a web-based infterface. So he can do minor maintanance, if I'm not around. Will need to redo my admin mod settings and other stuff, but I do not expect to much trouble on that part. Both (TF2 & L4D) servers shall be running the SourceMetaMod and SourceMod for admin purposes. I will also install CEVO settings for both of them, they can be enabled though the admin mod.

If everything goes as planned...

scoiatollo
27th May 09, 3:06 AM
Judging from the short L4D game yesterday it looks great. Last time I tried my account wasn't activated, but I'll try it later today ;)

Anyway, before you run both games 24/7 you should figure out if you can get a higher upload limit, I don't want you to have any trouble. Maybe limit them till than for 2100-0100 at these times most of us seem to be online.

Lleman
27th May 09, 4:00 AM
Excellent news, i'm in a hurry to finally play again with your 'house rules' in zero-G. :p
The time window Scoia mentions seems most pertinent indeed, even if some dolts don't belong to the same group of timezones.

how about starting the tournament this weekend?
/me takes Francis high-pitched 'gerritoff' screamy voice
AAAGH AAAGH NOOOOO not this weekend!!!
Or rather, i'm all for getting my team to play around the weekend, else i'll have to leave my place for someone else. :/

Kirjava
27th May 09, 4:05 AM
Is it too late to join the party?

scoiatollo
27th May 09, 4:37 AM
Dess seems to not want to play L4D any more, maybe you could take his place (you'd be in my team) if everyone is okay with this (dess included whom you'd have to ask first).

@Lleman: since this tournament iz seriouz bizness the only house rule we'll be using will be the no medkit rule. Other than that since we've 8 teams we won't be able to play all at once, so maybe half plays this WE, the other half next and the final is the week after (or at any other date the two wish to set it).

@Dark: just remembered, any ideas/plans on implementing sourceTV (or however it's called)? I mean it won't really help your upload restriction but would be nice for special events like this tournament.

Kirjava
27th May 09, 4:39 AM
Ta, I'll give him a buzz.

Lleman
27th May 09, 5:00 AM
Yes, of course the tourney iz sirius biziness... [Dolt](R)(TM) games iz allus teh sirius!
Scoia, i meant zero-G for non-tourney, nonsense-&-extra-giggles games, of course. ;)
The soaring rocket-hunter and the boomer-balloon are too awesome to bet left aside.

scoiatollo
27th May 09, 5:09 AM
We'll have that again, I can promise you that ;)
But first we'd have to figure out how to run a vs only server, cause right now we have the same problems we had on the old server (campaign game on vs map or the other way round). I'll invest some time on that subject this WE (first free WE in a loooong time...).

27th May 09, 6:56 AM
I'll join in, but whens the exact date or am I too late? If i'm not, just don't have it on June 4th cos June 5th is my maths a-level exam.. eek.

rowan sjet
27th May 09, 8:23 AM
It has been a while since the original team list was made, so we should probably make sure everyone on it is still up for a game.

Kirjava
27th May 09, 8:36 AM
Dess said I can nom on his behalf :D

Wargrim
27th May 09, 10:16 AM
Well as i expected, late may is very bad for me unfortunately. It is rather unlikely that i will have the time for multiple versus matches at a weekend before June 15. After that, ill probably be free again.

27th May 09, 10:30 AM
I'm still good. My team has gotten in a few practice rounds minus Mokinokaro

Gorb
27th May 09, 10:52 AM
Right in the middle of my exams.

Ah well, it's only a few hours a night, right? And it's not like I play TF2 a lot or anything . . . :p

Kirjava
27th May 09, 11:07 AM
Might be an idea for Ammon to update the first post with new teams, clarified rules and anything else that should go in something newcomers will see for the first time.

BmB
4th Jun 09, 3:35 AM
Either Dark, Julian and TCO all missed me terribly or this thing died slowly, unloved and unnoticed.
I'm guessing the latter.

Julian
4th Jun 09, 4:43 AM
Yeah I'm afraid I was away for two weeks totally forgot about the tourney.

Ammon Ra
4th Jun 09, 4:52 AM
Yeah, sort of forgot about this. Dark has his new server with excellent pings all around, So i'd suggest to start this thing over again, with a new time schedule since we didn't stick to the original.

I'd suggest this weekend (5th, 6th, & 7th june 2009) and /or the next weekend (12, 13, 14th) of june as the basis to start this tournament again.

I will probably make an announcement to inform everyone about those dates and to post in this thread if that is a good plan or not.

scoiatollo
4th Jun 09, 5:18 AM
I'm for next WE, 'cause I'm a little bit busy this WE =(

and btw, Dark has to convince his server first that it likes him.

p.s.: Happy BIRTHDAY admin from hell ;)

4th Jun 09, 5:45 AM
Next weekend works for me. I'll be on a day-trip this weekend unless we do it Sunday which is TF2 day.

Integrity
4th Jun 09, 8:55 AM
Next weekend ought to fit my schedule. It's my sister's birthday this weekend and we're taking her to the zoo ^^

Makille
4th Jun 09, 6:05 PM
I have to dog sit and work that weekend, so a no-go for me. But my entire timezone is gone anyways, so just remove me entirely.

hermanJnr.
7th Jun 09, 8:06 AM
If the director spawns two witches next to, or inside of each other, or two tanks for one team and no tanks for the other team, don't blame the host/server. Blame the director for epic random giggles & curse-words

I swear the Director actually has some kind of hidden algorithm that is like "If Survivor > 30% health, > 50 metres from safe_checkpoint, Tank_Spawn_Chance = 1.0" :D

The number of times I've been stumbling half-dead (usually at just below the minimum health needed to outrun the Tank) a few steps from the Safehouse only to have a Tank somehow spawn behind a cardboard box like 5 metres away is insane >_>

Also, I'm so busy with revision that it looks like I'll be missing all the fun for the next couple of weeks :(

MortarionIV
7th Jun 09, 9:33 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!! A tournement(im in if i know what mod or version we play Mid June) :eek: :muffy:

9th Jun 09, 9:50 PM
So, looks like I'll be out of town this weekend as well. Hummphhh.

Lleman
10th Jun 09, 5:57 PM
Just interrupting a bit for a pictural reminder of this past night's game (silliness courtesy of Kresjah and, well, me....and thanks to the usual Dolts for making this happen :D)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/horusheresyMP/non-HHMP/goof/th_l4d_hospital01_apartment0002.jpg (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/horusheresyMP/non-HHMP/goof/l4d_hospital01_apartment0002.jpg)
Let this be our new watchword! BINGELIDNIG!!!

Kirjava
10th Jun 09, 6:08 PM
Pure win :D if only Zoey hadn't been such a failbot, you... might not've won by over a thousand points such a small margin!

BmB
10th Jun 09, 6:11 PM
You gotta love her and treat her right. How would you expect her to play in a team if you don't play back? :p

Kirjava
11th Jun 09, 4:41 AM
By 'love her and treat her right' do you mean 'wrap your exceedingly long tongue around her and nom on her delicious flesh'?

Wargrim
11th Jun 09, 5:44 AM
I think he would rather pounce her and... erm...

BmB
11th Jun 09, 5:51 AM
See this is exactly why zoebot leaves you to die horribly.

Kirjava
11th Jun 09, 7:18 AM
Hey, it was Lleman and nyyt she ignored, not me :D

Lleman
11th Jun 09, 9:56 AM
Yeah, well, i'm close to suspecting some players to have infected the bot with a deliberate team-killing-back-stabbing gameplay.

Lleman & Nyyt: "AAAAGH Zoey, halp halp!!!"
Zoey: "..."
Nyyt: "Zoey, my liver, ogods!"
Lleman:*squeals* "gedditorfme gedditorfme Zoey!!!"
Zoey: *whistles*
Hunter smiles knowingly to Zoey.
Zoey winks at Hunter.
[much screaming and chucking of innards ensues]