Will chaos Have access to Daemons?

[Ravenblade]

i Was wondering if chaos/Chaos space marines will have access to daemons in Dawn to war, if so what Choas power deamons will they have? or will they just have access to chaos undivided Daemons, if they have access to Khorne Deamons, like the bloodletters who have power weapons and str 5 i think i'll be runnning the other way.

[blackjoker4215]

Yes they will have acsess to Khorne deamons. In the PC Gamer it has a article about the deamons. It says that there will be a BT...,but I am guessing that Relic will put in the other deamons.

[Shadione]

i Was wondering if chaos/Chaos space marines will have access to daemons in Dawn to war, if so what Choas power deamons will they have? or will they just have access to chaos undivided Daemons, if they have access to Khorne Deamons, like the bloodletters who have power weapons and str 5 i think i'll be runnning the other way.

As mentioned above, Bloodthirster is in the game, I can't comment beyond that.

However, Dawn of War is not an interpretation of the tabletop game. We're translating the 40k universe, not tabletop mechanics. Just like the tabletop game of Warhammer 40k is an interpretation of the 40k universe. So, strength 5 has no direct correlation within our game, as they're stats used in the tabletop game, not ours. We have our own stat system to work out units hitting hard in close combat.

[WarpGhost]

I hope Bloodletters arent insanely overdone like they are in the tabletop game; when I say that I mean I hope there are good ways to counter them (They are meant to be the most dangerous Daemons, but in the TbT their armour makes most shooting useless against them, and there is almost no way to take them down in HtH combat, at least not before theyve caused more carnage than their points cost reflects (almost noone outside another Chaos Gods listuses any other Daemon because theyre so hard!)

[SoheilsX]

Bloodthirster eh? Put an inquisitor lord in there, he would kick that Daemons ass like nobodies business, i love how insanely overpowerd DH are in the Tabletop :D AHAHAHAHAHHAHAH SCREW CHAOS AHCHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[elfatto]

I hope Bloodletters arent insanely overdone like they are in the tabletop game; when I say that I mean I hope there are good ways to counter them

Well, the main character in the single player campaign has a inquisitional daemonhammer, so I'm guessing he could probably put a hurtin' on any daemon he crosses.

[WarpGhost]

Not necassarily much use if you dont have that commander in the a multiplayer game or a skirmish! :bricks:

[Dazz]

Terminators and commanders will be good against them due to having power weapons.

[Gorechild]

Well this suits me fine knowing terh ewill be chaos to chosoe from..
And adding the much loved deamons is even better..

Will this include a Blodothirster for def? or is it litte too oevr top..

[WarpGhost]

Terminators and commanders will be good against them due to having power weapons.

Unfortunatly Bloodletters also have power weapons so can crack open terminators with ease; only Grey Knights Termies w/ sacred inscence and Grimoire of True Names are worth risking sending in. And Bloodletters are about 1/2 the cost.

[elfatto]

Oh I can't believe I didn't think of this.

A nice sized mob of slugga boyz should at least be a match for a pack of bloodletters (in the TbT game at least). The orks have choppas which reduce the armour save of the bloodletters, and their numbers should be high enough to be able to absorb any casualties the bloodletters inflict back.

Since orks are significantly cheaper than bloodletters, you should be able to swarm over the 'letters without too much hassle.

[H.B.M.C.]

People should stop worry about Blood Letters and start worrying about Daemonettes. They are by far better than Bloodletters, though this is from a statistical standpoint.

BYE

[Dimension]

besides, they're hot.

slice with style!

how are blood letters vs bigger vehicles btw, such as dreads,preds or land raiders?

[H.B.M.C.]

how are blood letters vs bigger vehicles btw, such as dreads,preds or land raiders?

"Not very" would be my answer. They're S5, so can't do above AV11. Deamonettes on the other hand can topple a Land Raider if they try hard enough.

And if you meant inside the actual game, that is, Dawn of War, well, we haven't had any confirmation of Daemons beyond the 'Thirster, so no one knows.

BYE

[DarthFelth]

well all i will say is if you slugga boys were charge by 8 bloodletters, how many do you think would get to hit back ;)

[Gorechild]

lol ^
So true..

Will the game include Fleshhounds?
And will Juggernauts be available?

[Dimension]

thanks for the info HBMC, and no, I'm not foolish enough to speculate on an aspect of the game we have so few clues about ;D

Gorechild, there's no point in asking such questions, as noone here will be able to answer them. we know whats in the FAQ and the few articles that were posted here and nothing more. the devs have only been confirming and clarifying information provided in those articles. if you wanna learn more, scour the internet and local magazine stand for new interviews,media and articles.

[dArKB*****d]

I'd like to know if demons will be selected from the get go? Or will they be summoned in randomly to cause chaos (see that word play not! ) amongst the enemy ranks.

If the later option is available will they count towards the overall unit count, I'll understand if you can't answer this one.

Cheers...

[Gorechild]

And i still ask..
Juggernauts of Khorne / FleshHounds

[DarthFelth]

you know i thought they said they couldnt comment past the bloodthirster so why still ask ;)

[JumpPackBoy!]

All I know is hope they have Screamers and Thousand Sons and Horrors. I love the Thousand Sons. :)

[Juggernaut]

Bloodthirster (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/bloodt.htm) and armies of fools, loyal to emperor - its all what i need
Blood for Blood God !!!

[Uzgah]

I seem to remember is 2ndED a Chaos player so so happy at finally finishing his Bloodthirster model that he placed it in the middle of deployment zone, in hardly any cover.
Every single gun on the IG side pointed that way, BLAM BLAM ZAP BOOM FIZZLE BAM KA-BOOM!
smoke clears one very expensive corpse =/
Just cos he was a daemon, he guy thought the model was invunerable. He forgot, the Bloodthirster lost its invunerable save in favour of the +2 on 2D6 Chaos armour save.
Even 2ndED hvy Bolters caused -2 saving throw, +4 on 2D6, you'll be surprised as to how many times someone can fail that in one turn.
4 lascannons, 2 battle cannons, 5 heavy bolters and a distort cannon from the Eldar allies, soon stopped him salvering.
Haven't really seen daemons in the 3rdED game yet. No-one near me plays daemon armies. I haven't even taken a look at the rules.
But what I'm circumventing here is to say, I'd imagine a few daemons are available to play against/with but just bear in mind. Just cos they are daemons, means diddly. Everything dies, everything has a weakness, in 2ndED it was a lot of guns... in 3rdED seems to be alot of guns again. In DoW.... I'm assuming alot of guns...

[ObsceneName]

Ok to try and clarify some stuff up
from what i understand

Blood Thirsters are summoned through your aspiring champion or the equviliant of that unit in the game
the blood thister slowly dies if its not fighting and stop dieing if its fighting so id imagine we probably wont see the other chaos gods as id imagine theirs no other way to put that mechianic in for them that makes sence for their fluff like a tzeentch guy stops dieing when he casting spells??? or lord of nurgle stop dieing aslong as hes around corpses? that seems liek ti would be a hard thing to do
so i wouldnt be surprised if Khrone was the only god in there

[Ravenblade]

I don't think that a bloodthister possesing a champoin would die because the daemon's not fighting, it come down to what Khorne stands for, a person possessed by a bloodthister would gain more power by standing on a battlefield, surrounded by khorne followers, as the death and blood they unlease would be feeding the daemon power, that's half the reason why the imperials have inquistors to root out cults that might attract the attention a possesed person, thus feed it more power with their belief.

The eldar are the prime example of how powerful a belief can become as they created Slannesh, just by doing decadent perverse acts, and thinking decadent thoughts.

[ObsceneName]

its said in a preview that the blood thirster starts dieing or what ever well i dont it dies but its summoning time
like how long it stays on the battlefield the summoning time stops going down when its fighting but if its not the summoning time starts going down

[elfatto]

I think that relic made the bloodthirster die slowly if it's not in combat to make sure that players keep the thirster in combat like a good khorne daemon should be. (Bloodrage rules from the tabletop game anybody?) Or maybe the thirster is designed to be a short term tide turning unit kind of like the infernal spell in warcraft 3.

Just my 2 cents on the topic.

[mr_mich]

Or so that people wouldn't just horde bloodletters and then unleash a furious assault.

Is it just me or is Khorne always the most popular of the Gods in games?? Why not Slaaneesh, everyone loves pink. And Daemonettes.

[Maximus Decimus]

Why not Slaaneesh, everyone loves pink. And Daemonettes.

Well that is because some people would consider that being perverted and the whole set of it(critics anyone) and the guys at relic wouldnt want to do this because then they would be limiting their target audience which means fewer sales!. I dont think most parents would agree with their kid buying a game with topless chicks running around like baywatch chicks.

[Anthonace]

Dont forget the claws and knives

[DarthFelth]

cos Slaanesh sucks, and i choose Khone when the 2nd ed codex came out, when they releases Kharn that kinda turned it for me, that and arbaal from fanatsy, but then again i also like thousand sons, only reason i didnt do them in 2nd ed was how expensive a unit would have been to make

[Triceron]

I dont think most parents would agree with their kid buying a game with topless chicks running around like baywatch chicks.

And I suspect they would agree on gratuitous mass violence... Riiight ;)

[Elof]

Yes after all the blood in and carnage in those screen shots , its stange nakedness would be worse but it is for ratings

[H.B.M.C.]

And I suspect they would agree on gratuitous mass violence... Riiight ;)

Well we all know by now that showing a nipple on TV (or not even a nipple actually) is an international event. But people blowing stuff up and killing each other, that's perfectly fine to watch.

Personally I'd love to see Slaaneshi stuff represented in DoW, but they've gone with Khorne, so we won't see Slaanesh.

BYE

[the7th]

Well if we know of one definite khorne demon is properly safe to assume the rest of the khorne gang will be included. As for the other gods this would depend on the nature of the chaos force. If its chaos undivided then there could be the complete range of demons available but if the chaos force is led by the world eaters then expect only to see khorne demons.

I’m hoping maybe the chaos player gets to choose his allegiance at the start of each game, so that way all the gods are in without overpowering the game balance.

Does anyone know what type of chaos force will be in the game as I’m dying to know?

[ObsceneName]

I'd love to see slannesh as the next guy esplicey sence morale means something in this
unlike 40k where morale almost means nothing
because if the majority of your oppenents werent leadership 10 slannesh might be decent notice almost all their special abilities affect morale

[Triceron]

I'm more of a Nurgle fan myself. Plaguemarines are indominable! I think a sickly death and decay style would transition itself really nicely in a game. Imagine pus-filled sores pulsing, some glowing with an eerie luminance. Toxic vapour clouds hover around each marine and they'd walk with a crippled shuffle, slowly lurching towards the enemy, leaving a wake of decay behind.

[Maximus Decimus]

Yes in todays society and throughout history violence has been perfectly acceptable while nudity and sex has been frowned upon when being shown on television etc. Remember this is the world where 16 yr olds can drive, cant vote, and cant drink until they are 18 or 21. Do you not think driving is a bigger responsibility than voting or smoking?

I prefer Khorne over the other chaos gods. All we have seen are greater daemons so it is not safe to assume that every other daemon of khorne or whatever will be included because chaos alrdy have marines, cultists, greater daemons, and who knows in the game. Now wouldnt you think it would unbalance the game if chaos was so diverse and the rest of the races were not? if they include diff daemons and greater daemons of powers for chaos then im going to have to say they have to include SW, DA, and BA as well so to add to the diversity of the marines. Same has to be done with ork clans. I truly believe that they will just have bloodletters, thirster, cultists, and *some* marine stuff so to balance them.

good day

[ObsceneName]

Meh id rather see all 4 chaos gods then any other sm stuff
i dont care if theirs sm in the game but jsut kinda of tired of sm getting all the stuff use little tyranids are jealous

[JumpPackBoy!]

I want to see Kharn and alot of Khorne stuff but im hoping they have nurgle also. But if they dont there is always an expansion...

[mr_mich]

Christ, I was just joking about the Daemonettes...That's ok, it's not like sex sells.

Seriously though, I think Khorne is just like....the posterboy of Chaos. The whole evil-I'll-drink-your-blood-I-want-to-wear-your-skull-as-a-hat really does work well for Chaos. I'll give them that. But is the mind-warping manipulation of the thousand sons not scary enough? Or the abusive and deadly pleasures of Slaaneesh? Or the disgusting plague marines of nurgle that will make a player puke every time a squad is called in?

They're all chaos in their own special way, I guess I'm tiring of Khorne more quickly than anyone else...

[Triceron]

Yes in todays society and throughout history violence has been perfectly acceptable while nudity and sex has been frowned upon when being shown on television etc. Remember this is the world where 16 yr olds can drive, cant vote, and cant drink until they are 18 or 21. Do you not think driving is a bigger responsibility than voting or smoking?


Actually that's mostly in the West. And that being said, I should also say that's mostly the US. In Canada, sex isn't censored as much as it used to be. Movies like American Pie premiered here as 14A unlike in the US where it was rated R (To my knowledge). Drinking age in Canada is 19 while states is 21, and in Europe it varies but I think it's younger than this.

Also, are the Thousand Sons a part of Tzeentch?

[mr_mich]

Yes, the K sons are the cultists for Tzeentch.

And Europe is usually a lot more relaxed on the topic of sex than the US, aren't they?

[H.B.M.C.]

unlike 40k where morale almost means nothing

Love you to explain that comment. Apart from Loyalist Marines, morale is a very important part of 40K.

BYE

[mr_mich]

It's true, in the TTWG morale can render a squad totally useless after it's taken 50% casualties....sounds pretty important to me.