AusGamers Preview - 12/13/10

[phaseshifter87]

http://www.ausgamers.com/videos/view.php/56164

Searched the forums and didn't find anything, so hopefully this isn't a duplication

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has seen this but I found it while looking for some recent news, its an interview with Producer Andy Lang. Nothing we haven't heard of yet, but apparently they were taken through a demo of the game. I know they currently have quite a bit of time between now and the Summer for polishing but you do get a pretty good glimpse of the title screen for the game on the TV behind the crew.

[Ramrod]

Well, I hadn't seen it, so thanks for that!

Also, title screen looks nice =D

[Pocktio]

Seeing as they've finished and are polishing, or so I've heard, the lack of new details is distressing. If they had tons of content surely, just surely they could be more teasy?

Cover isn't about hiding, it's about reducing incoming hits. Feh.

[phaseshifter87]

Yea I completely agree however it sounds like they are making him a walking tank practically. "He has this heavy armor, lets get him out there kicking ass!!" haha I liked that.

And they are still firm on the whole not talking about multiplayer and co-op just yet. They sure can keep it close lipped.

Ruined!!! Share something! Tease something!! :)

[Misterpeanut288]

Actually that information on there being 5 exotic weapons is new we only knew that there was an exotic class and that 3 of the weapons were thunderhammer, heavy bolter, and what looks to be an autocannon.

Edit: The info given on the two space marines that titus will apparently be linking up with through out the campaign is also new info.

[phaseshifter87]

True story, I guess that tid bit I over looked. Possible other power/heavy weapons? Power sword/axe... plasma cannon, multi melta or missle launcher?

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Well, I believe that was given in something earlier that he would team up occasionally with AI marines, but not that they would tag along with him through the entire campaign.

[Misterpeanut288]

Lierop mentioned something about a lascannon as an example when he was talking about exotics a couple of months back so with that and say a missle launcher or plasma cannon that would make 5. I have got a weapons info thread up with some links so if you haven't seen it you might want to take a peek.

[Blueliner07]

You can see icons on the monitor behind them so it may not be the title screen. Maybe just a screen background for the presentation? Either way though it looks good.

Not too worried about the lack of info. I think that is always carefully planned out by the PR guys. I bet the Space Marine guys are itching to share info but just not allowed to yet.

Maybe THQ wants to highlight some of their other games coming out before Space Marine (Homefront for example) before they share too much of the awesomeness of Space Marine.

[Shuma]

It was jut a PC monitor with a Space Mahreen wallpaper.

[Carach]

power fist in the background of the interview in the art. thats got to be one of the special things.

[Misterpeanut288]

Powerfist has been confirmed for awhile and under the context it is just another melee weapon not an exotic one. Speaking about that art anyone else find that the powerfist in question just looks off like he just has a giant lego version of his hand but with a power field?

For comparison purposes:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/ef/Powerfist.jpg http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/74/Marine_crimsonfist.jpg

[Ramrod]

Yeah, powerfist in the background looks weird as Hell, but it's just the artwork. I don't think we'll see it like that ingame, Relic has always got them looking sexy in the DoW games.

[Blueliner07]

Let's see, I didn't hear anything new in this interview except for the mention of DLC. Near the end he mentions DLC will be coming but I think DLC is a given these days.

http://www.xg247.co.uk/?p=8540

[Chompster]

walking around with 2 deadweights doesn't sound too fun.. hope you get to upgrade them in someway at least as you get further into the game.
overall still loving what im hearing about this game and just cant wait to pre-order it
but first to hear about some MP and co-op of course. which WILL be in.

[Misterpeanut288]

From what has been mentioned about the 2 sqaudmates they will only be appearing in certain parts of the campaign and will not be present through out so I am guessing they will be showing up to lend a hand when things are too much for Titus to handle on his own, but really its hard to say until we get more information on them.

[Carach]

blueliner: what moment did they mention DLC? i dont remember hearing about that and theres no mention of DLC at the end.

[OhJohnNo]

That voice actor sounds ear-rendingly awful (and come on, a violin in a Warhammer 40k game? I want badass pipe organs and latin chanting, not some pansy stringed instrument!) but I'm very, very glad there is no cover mechanic. As the guy said, the Space Marine is cover. And in a game about getting to grips Orks and hacking them to pieces, cover would just break the flow.

[TheV3ng3ance]

http://us.thq.com/us/game/show/5286/Warhammer®%2040,000®:%20Space%20Marine®
quicktnewimageseveryonelookfast!

This is what I waited months for?

[Misterpeanut288]

That pic gives us a really nice view of the chainsword and all og its shiny bits.

[Blueliner07]

@Carach

He mentions DLC at about 5:45 in the video through the link of my post above. I think he said they will have a "robust offering". Who knows what that means these days in terms of amount of DLC? No other details than that really.

[Carach]

cheers for pinpointing.

i despise everything about the very idea of DLC. I tend not to purchase a lot of games by principle simply because of the DLC spam associated with them.

[Nouw]

Thanks for that video! Regenerating health eh? Hope it works well!

I hope the combat flows, as long as it does I'm sold!

[Chompster]

the chainswords looks a bit fat and chunky but still very cool, and the buildings look amazing! cant wait to see those with the actual filter on it!

[Shuma]

From what has been mentioned about the 2 sqaudmates they will only be appearing in certain parts of the campaign and will not be present through out so I am guessing they will be showing up to lend a hand when things are too much for Titus to handle on his own, but really its hard to say until we get more information on them.

So am i the only one who thinks this 2 guys can be used by other players in Co-Op?

[Misterpeanut288]

If the two ai marines remain unnamed and are not integral to the plot then yeah they will probally be controlled by the players but otherwise I don't think so, but really we will have to wait for Relic to give us some more info on it.

[OhJohnNo]

Ooh, combi-weapons are in? Hell yes! Also the graphics look lovely.

[Goko]

I'm kinda hoping that the co-op will be 2-3 through the campain mode not just small sections of the game but we'll have to wait and see now dont we :P , also /drool at all the throughs of combo weapons and more things to beat over peoples heads with XD

[Gabriel Angelos]

So this game will be an Ultramarine fest? what was wrong with having the Deadwatch or Blood Ravens?

[Misterpeanut288]

Ultramarines were originally just a place holder but I guess they changed their mind and thought it would be better to stick to Ultramarines since this will be Warhammers first action rpg (its still classified as an action rpg I think though it might be better to call it a third person shooter).

[Pocktio]

@ Gabriel

Yeah somewhat redundant considering the Ultramarines have been confirmed for a while now. Expecting Deathwatch is just a random personal wish and Blood Ravens are probably being kept in DoW, it's nice to see Relic chosing a non-BR chapter for once anyway. Considering UM are the most well-known chapter it's for the best to use them. Makes it more recognisable and such.

[Shuma]

Not to mention the rumors of the Blood Ravens's story ending in Retribution.

Also what is wrong with Blood Ravens and Deathwatch(Why would you even expect this guys anyway)? What is wrong with Ultramarines?

[Carach]

ahh...wondered how long before the "omg why ultras" moan came in.

[Gabriel Angelos]

What?! the end of the blood ravens story?! NEVERRR!!!!

Ultrasmurfs are just not that elite nor cool nor have enough flavour for this such setting. Besides 4rth company is supposed to have green trims yet they have it golden. Deathwatch would had made more sense. Like the captain could had been the ultramsurf, another could had been a black templar, other a blood raven and a space wolf.

[Shuma]

Right, the descendants of one of the original legions is not "elite and cool or flavorful" but the Blood Ravens are, sounds to me like you're just biased. Then again it only takes one look at your profile to see that.

[sonofultramar]

It is amusing to hear the Ultramarines are not cool enough or elite enough... considering what they have done.. Ultramarines ARE the best of the best the Imperium has to offer. Their courage, dedication and skills are second to none, they constantly battle enemies most chapter hasn't even began to face. How many Chapters faced 2 Hive Fleet, a C'Tan, Demon Princes and the Eldar Avatar like the Ultramarines has done ? Nobody, not even the Space Wolves or the Blood Angels.

Angelos, where did you read they are from the 4th Company btw ?

[SOLID MATTIC]

It is amusing to hear the Ultramarines are not cool enough or elite enough... considering what they have done.. Ultramarines ARE the best of the best the Imperium has to offer. Their courage, dedication and skills are second to none, they constantly battle enemies most chapter hasn't even began to face. How many Chapters faced 2 Hive Fleet, a C'Tan, Demon Princes and the Eldar Avatar like the Ultramarines has done ? Nobody, not even the Space Wolves or the Blood Angels.

And whether you like it or not Roboute Guilliman is YOUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE! :bleh:

Nah its not so bad, yes perhaps there are more interesting chapters they could have used but I doubt it will have that much impact on the game.
The main thing I'm worried about is just how much variety the game will have. I'm sure that the game will look great, will be polished and will generally be a quality game, but I wonder if just mindlessly killing orks for an entire game will end up becoming somewhat boring. I get that there are a number of different weapons to try out, both ranged and melee combat and boss fights of some sorts against larger/ more dangerous ork enemies, yet still I am eager to find out how much else has Relic been keeping from us.

[Misterpeanut288]

Ultramarines are not the best of the Imperium has to offer they are the poster child of Warhammer 40k so they just get a lot more screen time then any other chapter otherwise there is nothing that puts them above any of the other chapters beyond their very long service record which should be around equal to the other origional chapters like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and so on.

[Shuma]

It is amusing to hear the Ultramarines are not cool enough or elite enough... considering what they have done.. Ultramarines ARE the best of the best the Imperium has to offer. Their courage, dedication and skills are second to none, they constantly battle enemies most chapter hasn't even began to face. How many Chapters faced 2 Hive Fleet, a C'Tan, Demon Princes and the Eldar Avatar like the Ultramarines has done ? Nobody, not even the Space Wolves or the Blood Angels.

Matt Ward is that you?

[Gabriel Angelos]

Ultrasmurfs are not elite like marines, they are fodder poster boys of the 40k universe after taking it from the crimson fists. Anyways for the proper feeling of the game I belive that a chapter with elite strong marines would be more suitable, such as the raven guard or salamanders for example. Every single marine they have is elite and self dependent. The Blood ravens have also adopted the elite strike force attitude since Kaurava.

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sonofultramar
ermmm the Blood Ravens have ;P, and I must say in most impossible odds with limited forces. Unlike the smurfs which spend their fodder poster boys like candy to kindergarden children.

[Pocktio]

I'm sure glad you're not working on this game. You know nothing about the fluff.

[Gabriel Angelos]

Smurfboy, the ultramarines have never had the hard time and survival of the fittest enviorment that the Raven Guard and Salamanders have. They dont have as much man power, so every single individual is elite in space marine standards. Its like your very standard marine brother is a sternguard or vanguard veteran. The Ultrasmurfs arent that elite, they are more spendable.

[Pocktio]

Yeah, they have. Deliverance is a standard forge-world, although I think it's independent of the mechanicus. Sure Prometheus is a death-world but that doesn't mean the training is any less thorough than the Ultramarines, just different. They've also never had an easy time. I guess the Word Bearers turned up and got thrashed in the Heresy right? Or did they inflict catastrophic naval damage and nearly overwhelm the Ultramar sector? I guess they had an easy time of that really. They then had to split up their forces so the Imperium would survive, founding the Codex by which most Chapters serve. They are the very foundation of the modern Astartes really.

I'm not sure of numbers but yeah, the Ultramarines probably have a large Chapter but that doesn't make them expendable, at all. All three chapters are just as 'elite' as each other, their only difference is how they apply their ability. No Astartes is 'expendable' no matter what gibberish you think.

Oh and I've never actually said I like the Ultramarines, nor said they were better than any other Chapter. I'm much prefer an Iron Hands or Imperial Fist game but I can understand the choice of Ultramarines. I just don't let my irrational and biased hatred of them make posts like yours.

[Gorb]

@ Gabriel Angelos: you don't like the Ultramarines, we get it. Doesn't make everybody who disagrees with you a "smurfboy".

And you're getting Ultramarine fluff completely wrong. They are a Chapter, as elitist and specialist as any other Chapter (1,000 men, 10 Companies, etc). They just have a large (stupidly large) amount of Successor Chapters.

[Shuma]

The Ultrasmurfs arent that elite, they are more spendable.

Spendable? And you're basing this on what? They're not more numerous than any other codex chapter if anything chapters like the Wolves and Templars would be "spendable" since they have marines crawling all over the galaxy. No Space Marine is spendable, they're the elite of the elite of the imperium.

The Ultramarines are the generic space marine chapter, the base upon which all others are based they're in other words the "common marine" complaining about them is pretty much the same as complaining about all other marines.


Its like your very standard marine brother is a sternguard or vanguard veteran.

No those are the Minotaurs.

[Gabriel Angelos]

You call that a hard time? Well they were not the subject's of a massacre and they count on a very large empire on the eastern fringe. They are more numerous than roaches, why do you think that they have so many succesor chapters? They do not depend so much on each marine for survival as the Raven Guard or the salamanders do, even the Blood Ravens! This survival and suffering has made them strong.

The notion of 4 ultramarines holding a forgeworld from an entire ork waagh is ridiculous, if they where so good then they would had finished all the enemies of man by now. They are vanilla marines, nothing special just plain poster boy.

[Supernaut]

I recommend you pick up a codex and try reading it for a bit before you keep spouting off so much nonsense.

[Pocktio]

They were the subject of a massacre, they took heavy casualties. That by default, is a massacre. They simply had the means to replenish more easily. Prometheus is a death world, Deliverance has a low population as standard. They don't have the same size of recruit pools. They still have the same amount of marines per Chapter, give or take a few hundred. Go and read up on the first founding so you actually understand what happened.

With the whole they aren't any good individually thing you are just pulling stuff out of thin air, again. An Ultramarine is just as capable as any other Astartes, there is no arbitary distinction just because they are an Ultramarine. They are all Astartes, who receive the same training, equipment and faith. The variation is what makes them unique, not better or worse.

You've also got the game story completely wrong. It's the entire company supported by a large Imperial Guard taskforce, not to mention likely Mechanicus and Titan support. It's not just four ultramatines. I'd also like to point four Ultrasmurfs would be just as useful as four Raven Guard, Salamanders or Blood Ravens.

[Shuma]

They are more numerous than roaches, why do you think that they have so many succesor chapters?

That doesn't make the Ultramarines chapter numerous, it makes the Ex-Ultramarine legion numerous.

As for massacres, i'm fairly sure the fight for Macrage was a massacre considering the Tyranids overran the whole place and killed the first company. Either way they're definitively better than the blood magpies, at least they're not crawling with heretics, or with stolen gear from other chapter, and at least the Ultramarines fought a Hivefleet where the Blood Ravens were almost killed by a splinter fleet of Leviathan, hey now i see why you post like this, this is kind off fun.

Nah just kidding, pick and read the damn space marine codex 'cause you obviously know nothing of Space marines, let alone individual chapters.

[Gabriel Angelos]

If the battle for macragge would had been a massacre then it would had been listed as a massacre, Istvaan WAS a massacre. And yes I have the Marine codex and I have read it. Fair enough many SM chapters take the codex formation and take it as advice, however they retain their very own chapter tactics and traits.

Current codex its just a ultrasmurf fap fest, oh btw shuma actually it was only half 4rth company of blood ravens that Held the Leviathan hive fleet. Not an entire chapter on its homeworld. And they did this AFTER the massacre on Kaurava.

And yes four raven guard, space wolves, salamanders, blood ravens or black tempalrs would make more sense. Since they tend to operate in smaller team cells. Regardless my point still stands on having the Deathwatch or the Blood ravens being the main chars of the game.

[Shuma]

Fapfest or not unfortunately for all of us it's canon, and it doesn't change the fact that the Ultramarines have always been elite like every single chapter out there.

And it was not just one company, it was your company, another one under the service of Thule(which then Angelos made you commander of) and the one that Angelos brought in the end. And it's a splinterfleet, not a hivefleet it doesn't even begin to compare to the massive size of Behemot.

And Blood Ravens, Wolves and Black Templars don't operate on small cells what the fuck man. The Wolves and Black Templars are the most numerous chapters in the imperium and the battle tactics of the Black Templars alone often revolves around "through enough battle brothers at them until they all die" and the Blood Ravens rarely operate in small cells, entire armies and companies went to Tartarus, Kronus and Kaurava, half the fucking chapter went to Kaurava alone, of those you listed the Raven Guard are the only ones with the fame of operating in small teams.

[Gabriel Angelos]

My company which was half company, it doesnt change a thing. half company vs splinter fleet, in 3 worlds with 2 other alien races harrasing you. Yeah I would have liked to see the ultramarines in macragge dealing with an ork waagh and Eldar harrasement during the battle of macragge.

Small team cell = squad. Swordbretheren, wolf brothers. No, no? Now lets see The Blood Ravens begun to operate in small elite cells AFTER Kaurava because they did NOT have the numbers and they had to duplicate results. Kaurava = Istvaan Masacre for the blood ravens. Because if an armie of 10 marines is not a small strike force then I dont know what it is.
But again I have always received contempt from your part, even in the TS forums, so it really does not surprise me that you eat all that they throw at you, like Mathew Wards fluff fapping. Dreadnoughts should fly in DOW then, since it seems to be cannon now.

[Shuma]

You received contempt in the TS forums for the same reason you receive it here. And did you seriously just compare Kaurave to Istvaan? Whatever man, i'm out of this argument. Last thing i'll say is that the Orks never went full Waaaagh in the DoW II campaign.

[Gabriel Angelos]

If it was a full waagh or not it is quite irrelevant wether you consider it a waagh or not, the amount of orks and an Eldar craftworld raiding while a tyranid hive fleet attacked is nothing to be taken lightly. And yes Kaurava was the Istvaan of the Blood Ravens. They lost a lot of brothers there, if you compare the radio.

Never the less, I think that the over use of the ultramarines everywhere is what upsets me. Why to use the same chapter over and over again in everything? When they could have used the crimson fists for example, their famous last stands and hatred towards the orks.

Always contempt from your part, shuma, you are quite a case. You live in Mexico yet you are not Mexican and do not speak spanish. It was quite amusing how you tried to become the boot lick for Mit Gas in a hopless attempt to become a bet tester.

Oh well, better finish this the good old way. By the name of thy Holy Throne, I Captain Angelos Sensor your blasphemy and heresies! Whats this button here? oh yes IGNORE list!

[Croaxleigh]

Enough of the Ultramarines/Blood Ravens slap-fighting. Enough of the talk of Blood Ravens altogether, for that matter. If you want to discuss Blood Ravens, there's a whole forum dedicated to DoW2. If you want to discuss fluff, there's a subforum for that, too.

Keep this on-topic, and knock off the melodrama.