Horus Heresey Vol 1

[Captain Zog]

Just got my limited edition Horus Heresey book and i must say i'm impressed, the presentation is superb and what i have read so far really clears up some things from the fluff that i wasn't positive on.

It basically takes all Heresey fluff that is considered official and puts it in a big book (i'm assuming its gonna be 3 volumes).

[PlasmaBomb]

http://uk.blacklibrary.com/storefront/store.bl?do=Odd&odd=BLLayout&_do=List_Models&code=300484&game=&c=300484

Didn't buy it (don't need another distraction) but having seen the extra pics on the site it looks cool.

[RogueFox]

Go to the link. On the top right-hand side of the top page there is a picture of what looks like pre-heresy Terminators..................sweet.

[PlasmaBomb]

For some interesting info about terminator armour -
Home site http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/home.htm
Info about termies http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour.htm

[RogueFox]

Hmmmm. After viewing those pages then looking at the picture again it looks like a Dreadnaught.........i think thats an engine on it back ??

[Majestyk]

rrrr...i was suposed to get one of the limited edition hardbacks of that, but my manager forgot to bring it back from Gamesday.....

[RogueFox]

Slap your manager silly, with a big wet salmon :)

[PlasmaBomb]

You would need to ask captain zog to get a definitive answer. There is definately an engine on the back.

[WarpSpider]

Hmmmm. After viewing those pages then looking at the picture again it looks like a Dreadnaught.........i think thats an engine on it back ??

Guess that's why Terminator armour is sometimes refered to as "Tactical Dreadnaught Armour"

[RogueFox]

Tactical Dreadnaught Armour

TDA is its official name i believe.

[PlasmaBomb]

TDA = Tactical Dreadnaught Armour

Whats the problem?

[RogueFox]

No problem,

He just said that TDA was what it was sometimes refered to as.
I just let him know that TDA was its official name, not just a name for reference.

Being picky i know & in hindsight it was a waste of forum space posting it. Sry

[Espi0n]

Roguefox TDA IS Tactical Dread Armour, its just an abbreviation. Liek LRC is an annreviation of Land Raider Crusader, it still measn the same thing, unless templars run about in Laughing Rattle Cages... i dont know:D

[WarmasterHorus]

I'm going down to GW an getting it tomorrow.

[Evilmerlin]

Captain Zog, how is the book when it comes to fluff? i know its got loads of nice pictures but how about fluff? I don't play the TT but love ready about the background.

[Captain Zog]

I guess some of the following post could be called spoilers, but i'm sure the info is available elsewhere.




Right, firstly, the pic is a dreadnought, like the style forgeworld are now doing in their pre heresey range.

As for fluff, the book goes from the time just before the Emperor took over Earth to the Space Wolves preparing for a ground assault on Pospero in pretty good detail, it gives a lot about why Horus turned against the Emperor and how he managed to sway his legions with little details like how the marines created before the treatcherous primarches controlled their chapter were more loyal to the Emperor and turned on their Primarch when they started going traitor.

It also explains how Horus initially thought he was saving the galaxy by turning on the Emperor, the Chaos God's convinced him they would leave the Galaxy alone if he just gave them the Emperor

its a good read anyways, i'd recommend it, definitely give the official angle on the fluff

[Maximus Decimus]

It's sold out.. :( , I wanted one. I bet these books will go for a lot on ebay.

[turel]

The one in the VERY top right is a Dreadnought whereas those pink chappies below are wearing pre-heresy TDA.

They are Emperors Children, too :P

[Sagecat]

Ehhhhhhhh.... it says it's limited to THREE HUNDRED copies?!

THREE HUNDRED?! This is the only stupid story in the GW universe that I (and most everyone else) care to read and they limit the book to three hundred copies!? ...

Please tell me there another edition of the book thats not stupidly limited...

~Sage

[Maximus Decimus]

You can say that again Sage. It was probebly a test to see if people would buy it, I'm sure they will release a standard edition soon enough that won't be all leather wrapped etc. I do have to say that the Eisenhorn trilogy and Inquisitor trilogy are other great reads from GW.

[Zigguratei]

WOAH WOAH.. HOLD the bacon for second here.. The fluff is EXTREAMLY inconsistant with previous versions.. I've been ranting about this for months now.. Email me if you want an ear full..

But just to give a taste.

The Emperor Banned all Liberians. Thats ALL, meaning Space Marines, Librarins = no.. bad bad bad.. (I was told that this will be illumintated on in later editions) however! the current problem is that it's the Librarians at the Council of Nikcea that provide a COMPRIMISE..

Ships are wrong ERA.. meaning Chaos shouldn't have Emperor class battleships.

Thousand Sons seem to be the FIRST legion to fall to chaos instead of the last, Magnus is being pre-daemonized as an evil character instead of one resigned to his fate.. all kinds of nasty stuff... that is VERY contradictory..

*points at sabertooth games* BURN THE HERETICS!

[Maximus Decimus]

Hey Zigg you do know that current fluff overwrites the older fluff? it does. The Horus Heresy story in that book is the most recent one and thus is the true version. Hey I wonder which version of the emperor's battle they will put in the later editions, there are 3 different versions.

[Zigguratei]

.. Thats part of my problem.. The fluff that Sabertooth games has written for the game is utterly disappointing for the Thousand Sons.

[Lumburg]

Whose the Primarch's picture of, from the sample pictures of the book??? If I can read the pic right it only says "The Primarch II." Which chapter did he found? I would love to read this book, but theres no more left, nor do i have money... Tell us more about it. Does it give the history of most chapters and their involvment in the Horus Heresy?

[Zigguratei]

Well.. from the looks of the picture thats Sangiuius (spelling?) The Primarch of the Blood Angles.

I can't tell you much about the book as it's copyrighted info, but I would recommend heading down to your local GW shop and asking them about it.

I do know that most of the back story was already printed in their card game which I believe can be found on the vastness of the internet. However the cards themselves only cover a small part about the Horus Hersy, much of which covers the events leading to the Fall of Prospero and the Thousand Sons. However there also is a lot of information on Great Crusade, the Orgin of the Space Marines, and the fall of Horus.

Enjoy - Todd

[Captain Zog]

Yeah there is definitely a non limited ed coming, like the books of Chaos

On the page with the dreadnought, the two guys in the crater right below it are in fact blood angels and are called the 'vallerus tactical squad' they are holding bolters and axes but the armour definitely looks like TDA...hmm

The Adeptus Custodes look badass though

[InquisitorZIM]

Ships are wrong ERA.. meaning Chaos shouldn't have Emperor class battleships.

*points at sabertooth games* BURN THE HERETICS!

Emporer Class Capital ships were from that era, as were some other still active Imperial designs. Keep in mind that the Imperial Navy did not get turned over to control by the Eccleisiarchy until after the Heresy and the Age of Aposty. Some of the older class cruisers that have been put out were used durign the Great Crusade, throughout the Heresy, and a rare handful still remain in service. The Emporer class ship, much like its titan counterpart are millenia old and created during the Great Crusade.

Sabertooth has done amazingly well with the fluff and imagery of the Heresy. The very first game that actually concentrated on the Heresy was the first Epic 40k (involving infantry, Adpetus Titanticus was the actual first foray into epic scale) release "Space Marine" which the box was subtitled Wars in the Age of the Horus Heresy or somthing like that, I still have my little magazine thin rulebook form that set. Sabertooth has expanded that era in more detail.

[DocHorror]

I'm still waiting for my limited edition to be posted out to me. If you got yours expect Ill get mine soon, When did you pre-order it? I ordered mine when there was about 160 left in stock.

Also did yours come via regular post or was it sent by courier? I work most days so i wouldn't be home to collect it if it was couriered.

[Captain Zog]

Mine came UPS standard via a Lynx express Lorry.

I ordered mine when there were about 250 left, but ended up with number 116/300


Yours should be one the way, i hope you enjoy it

[topaz85]

can u give me a link to some page where i could read a lot about heresy, the great crusade and those cool times?? cuz i've readed everything on official GW page and few other and could not find anything that wasn't said on pages i've been...:/ yes and i would like to read that book too but first of all im from poland so there is no chance that kind of stuff would get to this damn joint where i live...and the second if i order one copy i would pay a milions for transport/delivery to poland ...damn :(

[Pas De Charge]

Ummm, I could be way off here, well not really, but the non limited edition IS out, you can get from the black library. Hope this helps.....

[Maximus Decimus]

Could you provide a link? otherwise I assume your mistake because I have not heard or found any trace of it.

[PlasmaBomb]

He is correct there is a non limited edition

Please visit the link below...
http://www.blacklibrary.com/artbooks/visionsofwar.html

No thanks are necessary I know I'm brilliant :)

[Deathwing]

Whose the Primarch's picture of, from the sample pictures of the book??? If I can read the pic right it only says "The Primarch II." Which chapter did he found? I would love to read this book, but theres no more left, nor do i have money... Tell us more about it. Does it give the history of most chapters and their involvment in the Horus Heresy?

Hi Lumburg. As far as I've read the book, it gives general information about the time before the Hesery and the Hesery itself ( Horus got seduced by Chaos and stuff like that ).

There is also information about the Adeptus Custodes, the Emperors bodyguards.
By the way, I didn't know they are even stronger than a Space Marine.

But you get hardly information about the chapters. Emperors Children and Thousand Sons are in the book as far as I read. But you don't get information about Chapters like Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and so on.

This will follow in the next Volumes, I think. Just like in the CCG. No Blood Angels, Dark Angels, White Scars, Ultramarines,.....Only Thousand Sons, Emperors Children, Deathwatch and World Eaters.

And now to the question which Primarch is on the picture:

The only Thing I can say is:
:bow: Kneel before the Emperor of Mankind !! :bow:

[PlasmaBomb]

Yes the Emporer looks fantastic

[Captain Zog]

On Primarches II page, the right page is Emperor and Horus, Left page is sanguinius

[NightHaunter]

Oh well. Looks like I'm going to have to pick one up.
Sigh. More money to Games Workshop :(

[Bryn]

Were can i buy the book from i cant from the black libary and i can't from gw.com some one please help me i wan't one.

[Captain Zog]

If you mean you can't buy it online for whatever reason, it should be in teh shops fairly soon

If you mean you can't find it, go to the links earlier in this topic for the spec ed and there should be links there for the non spec ed

[Deathwing]

Were can i buy the book from i cant from the black libary and i can't from gw.com some one please help me i wan't one.

Give eBay a try. But prepare to spend lots of money. That's how I got my book. <- And now, for the rest of the month I will stay very hungry.. :boohoo:

[NightHaunter]

I'm just waiting until my local Games Workshop supplies it.

[Captain Zog]

Deathwing, did you buy the special edition off eBay?

Can I ask how much it cost?

[Deathwing]

Deathwing, did you buy the special edition off eBay?

Can I ask how much it cost?

I got only the "normal" edition. I paid about fourty Euro.

By the way, when I read the book I came across one thing completly new to me.

There is a chart with all Legions and their primarchs. I knew that the Black Legion was founded as Lunar Wolves and later on renamed in Sons Of Horus.
These names were there too, put in brackets.

But also there was the Death Guard with the name Dusk Raiders put in brackets behind it.

When did they get this name?

[Captain Zog]

Dunno, but also, i wish we could actually find out what exactlyw as wrong with the two chapters who were expunged, including who their primarchs were (unless one was the legion of the damned)

[Bryn]

Wow that is a lot of money the dude is asking for $100 now i would not spend that on any book i will keep checking ebay and my local gw store.

[Deathwing]

Dunno, but also, i wish we could actually find out what exactlyw as wrong with the two chapters who were expunged, including who their primarchs were (unless one was the legion of the damned)

This is a question I asked myself often. But I can assure you, the Legion of the Damned wasn't one of them. The LOTD was in the 23rd founding as far as I know.

[Captain Zog]

yeah i thought so, i think that entire founding was cursed

[NightBringer]

the legion of the damned are rumoured to be the fire hawks, who were lost in the eye of terror when they persued the traitor legions after the horus heresy... at least thats the fluff i read when they were first released back in the 2nd ed... i was really interested in converting an entire army for them... bones and flames on black armour... awsome

[Captain Zog]

Yeah, firehawks, rings a bell

[NightBringer]

and the funny thing is, they dont jsut defend human forces, they sometimes attack them too (percieving them to be corrupt, tho never fellow sm legions, jsut ig)

[Captain Zog]

They are just the Emperor's loyal undead soldiers, gotta take out the corrupt, as guard can often be

[Deathwing]

They are just the Emperor's loyal undead soldiers, gotta take out the corrupt, as guard can often be

That's right. I've heard that the LOTD attacked IG several times, but I've never heard that they attack a Space Marine army. So it seems obvious, that the LOTD only attacks corrupt IG forces.

There is a confusing thing about the LOTD and the Fire Hawks.

On the one hand I've read that the Fire Hawks and the LOTD are the same, on the other hand I've heard tah these are two different chapters of the cursed 23rd founding.

Anyone got precise information about this?

[NightBringer]

there is no real concrete info about it.. so in retrospect, both peices of info u have can be right, but its more clearly stated that the inquisition suspect them of being the Firehawks, but changed their name to LOTD becasue they are damned becasue they were sucked into the warp

[Hangfire]

http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp/WD099_Legion_of_the_Damned.shtml


In the year 963 of the current millennium, Space Marine chapter 'Fire Hawks' was ordered into the Crows World sub-sector. Crows World and adjacent planetary systems had fallen into anarchy following heavy raiding by Eldar Pirates. The Fire Hawks' intervention would drive the Eldar from the human worlds, restoring Imperial rule and teaching the alien invaders an important lesson. The entire chapter-fleet, including the chapter's mobile space-fortress, made a successful warp jump from the Piraeus system a mere 120 light years from Crows World. The five ships, over eight hundred brethren, and two thousand other personnel expected to reach Crows World within no more than 12 hours. They never arrived. Twenty years after the event the chapter was officially declared lost in the warp and presumed destroyed. The great Bell of Lost Souls tolled a thousand times, and it said that the Emperor himself ordered a Black Candle to be lit in the Adeptus Chapel of Fallen Heroes.

The Legion of the Damned by Rick Priestley (White Dwarf 99)

[Deathwing]

Okay, this text says the Fire Hawks became the LOTD.

Thanks for this one, Hangfire.

Other sources said about the Fire Hawks, that the whole chapter suffered from a mutation and that they all self-ignited somehow. But I can't find it right now to give proof.

[NightBringer]

i dont like the fact that theres an end to that story lol, or that "all the supplies were destroyed" coz i'd have loved to make an entire army, with vehicles and the lot, as a guy who went to southampton GW store had (and believe me, it looked fucking awsome!)

[ShadeDancer]

The Flame Falcons are the chapter that self combusted (also cursed founding).

[Deathwing]

Like nearly everything in the 40K fluff, this text was also just based on rumours. So no need to panic.



EDIT: ShadeDancer is right about the Flame Falcons. These were the ones I thought about. Just mixed up the chapters. Sorry!!

EDIT part II: When I read the book I came across one thing completly new to me.

There is a chart with all Legions and their primarchs. I knew that the Black Legion was founded as Lunar Wolves and later on renamed in Sons Of Horus.
These names were there too, put in brackets.

But also there was the Death Guard with the name Dusk Raiders put in brackets behind it.

When did they get this name?

[NjalStormcall]

Are the Fire Hawks undead?

I heard that they are suffering from a self-decaying mutation that's slowly killing them in a very painful way.

Being undead would be a more merciful fate.

[Captain Zog]

The Legion of the Damned (Fire Hawks) are ghosts, they act a bit like necrons actually, in that after a battle there are no bodies of the fallen legionnaires left. They appear seemingly at random to help loyal Imp forces.


Anyway, this topic is getting derailed, its supposed to be about the horus heresey new fluff books :P

[NightHaunter]

They are pretty cool. I think they deserve their own codex (small one like the Dark or Blood Angels) since they have had boxed sets for a while.

[NightBringer]

its not really, seieng as the firehawks were involved in the heresy:P

[NightHaunter]

How so? The Heresy was thousands of years before they were founded.

[NightBringer]

oops yeah sorry, i jsut answered based on unreliable info i got fomr somewhere....

[NightHaunter]

No probs :) just pointing that out :) .

[Captain Zog]

They could have been involved in the Heresy, the warp can throw you back in time as well as forward

[NightHaunter]

It can? Well, you learn something new everyday.

[DarthFelth]

time has no meaning in the warp, why do think the chaos legions are still kicking, marines live for a long time, but not that long.

As for the fire hawks, yeah it said in whitedwarf about their "problem" and that they become stronger until the day they die, the Fire Hawks actually left a vid recording on a planet i believe for the imperium to explain what happened to them ;)

[NightBringer]

no it doesn't moe you back in time, time jsut moves at a slower pace in the warp

[NightHaunter]

The Chaos Legions are still kicking because time does stop in the Warp, and also they draw vitality from it. Just because time stops doesn't mean that it can go backwards.

[Deathwing]

The Warp can send you through space and time. This is what happened to the Dark Angels on Caliban when it was destroyed.
That's why they're still hunting the fallen angels down.

[Captain Zog]

The warp can move you back or forward in time, its all in Visions of War

Imagine, an Imperial fleet is ambushed, calls for help, the help then arrives before the ambush and can warn of it happening (creating a nasty paradox in the process)

[TheWatcher]

Woah...getting into the realms of Star Trek here...One of my personal rules is "stay away from paradoxes." (actually, what the hell is the plural of paradox? Paradocies, like codicies is the plural of codex?). To the best of my knowledge, I think I've done quite well :)

[Deathwing]

To get back to the topic, " Horus Hesery", I think it's time to ask my favourity question
( again ) in this thread ( 3rd time, I think ):

Does anybody know when the Death Guard was renamed into Dusk Raiders?

Just wondering, because I've never heard about that before. ( desperatly seeking for an answer )

[Cherubael]

My friend once mentioned to me that the Emperor must be the most conceited man alive. I asked him why and he told me that all of the Emperor's soldiers have his symbols and icons emblazoned across their armor. But what, he asked, was on the Emperor's armor? Was it entirely devoted to himself?

Anyone care to expand on this?

[NjalStormcall]

Thankfully, the Warp is confusing and chaotic enough, there's no real "time travel" in the universe. Just weird stuff happening.

[Deathwing]

Cherubael:
Simple answer: All over his armour there are various examples of the imperial eagle.

Naturally his armour has a golden colour ( I doubt it is made of it, though it would fit for the Emperor of mankind)

[DarthFelth]

well i dont think it would be made of gold, gold isnt the hardest or metals after all. I must admitt on the warp subject i never read anything about going back in time, i do remember in the old days in fantasy you used to get champions of chaos with plasma pistols, i think they were time travelers, but i think they kinda killed that idea

[rankio]

well i dont think it would be made of gold, gold isnt the hardest or metals after all. I must admitt on the warp subject i never read anything about going back in time, i do remember in the old days in fantasy you used to get champions of chaos with plasma pistols, i think they were time travelers, but i think they kinda killed that idea

Not to mention one of the heaviest metals as well... Wouldn't be too practical now would it? :P

[Anthonace]

for anyone interested Fabus Bile is recruting new CSM from young cultists and using gene seed technology in his own way

[rankio]

for anyone interested Fabus Bile is recruting new CSM from young cultists and using gene seed technology in his own way

Hehe Chaos with all its internal feuds and crusades lost so many men that GW had to cover up the fact that no other space marines were being recruited with the fabius bile affair.

[NightBringer]

umm, i have no idea about the dusk raiders question, personally i've never heard of it either, it may just be a nickname for them given by imperials who've fought them. but i dont know

[NightBringer]

you cannot travel back in time in the warp.... if you could, the impirium would ahve fallen long ago... ie chaos would have used it to come back to when the emporer was a child and sent a daemon to kill him!

time flows differently in the warp but not backwards.... it is much like the concept of hell, for every 1day here it is 100years in hell... tho this would be the oposite way round


p.s sorry for double post, :bricks: :fencing:

[DarthFelth]

as i said it WAS a old concept which i remember from fanatsy and that im pretty sure they dropped it ;)

[Captain Zog]

You can't control the warp of course but here's a quote from visions of war:

'Furthermore such (warp travelling) vessels may suffer bizarre time shifts. It is not unknown for ships to arrive years after, or even years before, they had originally planned'

So you see, now i have found it again, i can see that ships don't end up travelling that far away on the time axis (being as time is just another plane of travel), only really a few years either way but it does happen, just as a quirk of the warp, not something controllable