Does any one know what happened to Czevak?

[NightHaunter]

I know about the whole him getting captured by Ahriman but have been unable to find any information about if anything else has happened lately.

[Captain Zog]

Well, in the recent world campaign Ahriman was headed for the black library, can't remember if czevek got captured before or after that.

[NightHaunter]

I would assume before since its location was what Ahriman wanted to find from him.

[Espi0n]

Czevak is seriusly 1 hell of a legend..

[NightHaunter]

Amen to that.

[Espi0n]

lol.

[superkoekje]

i thought the eldar got hold of him and incarcaretet him in the black library

[Espi0n]

Man i would LOVE to be incarcerated in there...


MMMM... Knowledge

[Cailet]

All we know is that Ahriman grabbed him, presumably he is now moving post-haste to the Black Library where odds on he will run straight into the biggest baddest Eldar/Human alliance you ever saw set out to stop him, I seriously doubt that Ahriman will get in (If nothing else every Eldar player in the known world will unite to stop him when the appropriate campaign/sub-campaign begins) but we will just have to wait and see...

[NightHaunter]

super read Codex: Eye of Terror if you have it.
It has a message from Keiras, Czevak's apprentice, to Inquisitor Goreden, on the dissapearance of Czevak on page 15.

[Kaelorr]

We would know if not for some ludicrously bad decisions on Ahriman's part. He wiped Commoragh off the face of the webway and caused the Dark Eldar to help out the Eldar and Harlequins defend the BL from him. Had Ahriman gotten to the BL, he first would have read the Eisenhorn Trilogy :) and then he would have gained enough knowledge and power to match his patron god. Chaos could have won the EoT campaign. *tear*

And humans aren't allowed into the webway; only that one Inquisitor has ever entered the webway. and a load of tzeenchian daemons and marines durring EoT.

[NightHaunter]

I hope he gets in. The more campaigns the better :)
It's ironic since I've always played Thousand Sons since I started a 40K army and now I've quit them and started playing Eldar :)

Although I was on Magnus' side. Not Ahriman's.

[Horus]

I think they should just let Ahriman get into the black library, i mean whats so wrong with him have unlimited power and ensalving everybody?

[NightHaunter]

Chaos did actually win. Although it was a very small win.

[Espi0n]

dont forget about the psyker from the gaunts ghost novel!!!

she was chosen to help save some craftworld so she left gaunt and human civilisation behnd to become 1 of them pointy-ears.... :D

[Kaelorr]

Even the Chaos Gods don't want Ahriman in the Library.

[Inquisitor Mau]

^that was Inquisitor Lilith right?

[Kaelorr]

yep

[Horus]

the gods dont want him there cuz then he will have the power to over throw them

[NightHaunter]

We all know that since his power would rival theirs should he enter.
But my Iyanden and Loyal Thousand Sons would be there to stop him :)

[Espi0n]

yes. lilith.

she sorted out them damn bluebloods :)

loyal thousand sons? elaborate!! :D

dont let ahriman in the library, he'll disturb the eldar doing homework!rofl

[Cailet]

OK I got a few details wrong, Ahriman has already taken a shot at the BL and been beaten off (surprise surprise) the Eldar have Czevak which has some nice implications for the future, and Ahriman is now in favour with Magnus (which is not a good thing).

[Kaelorr]

Loyal thousand Sons is an oxymoron.

[Espi0n]

it doesnt work very well imo :P

edit

"Come, friendly bombs..."

[Kaelorr]

OK I got a few details wrong, Ahriman has already taken a shot at the BL and been beaten off (surprise surprise) the Eldar have Czevak which has some nice implications for the future, and Ahriman is now in favour with Magnus (which is not a good thing).

He would have got in, too, if not for those meddling kids.. erm.. dark eldar!
The big dumbass destroyed commorah, the Dark Eldar homeland. they responded by helping kick his ass away from the precious library.

[NightHaunter]

Thanks Cailet for clearing that up.
Damn, now I'm no longer Magnus' right hand man/daemon/psyker anymore :(
.........Stupid Ahriman........ruins everything......

EDIT: When I said loyal I mean loyal to Magnus, not Ahriman, since he is, or was, exhiled from the legion when he cast the rubric.
You thought I meant loyal to the Emperor? HA! Don't make me laugh. The Nazi can rot in his Golden Throne for all I care.

[Horus]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he must rule the world, umm i havent heard od this ( havent gotten any new codexs) and link so i can catch up on some reading?

[Cailet]

Kaelor Commoragh is alive and as well as a DE city can get, there are rumours that it will be destroyed (alongside a fairly well confirmed one of Eldar and DE co-operating a little in 4th ed) but that is it, if DE were in on defending the BL (which they weren't) they would have taken a shot at getting inside themselves. Read the Ahriman section here http://www.eyeofterror.com/uk/assets/eot-conclusion.pdf for what happened at the BL.

[Horus]

danke you for the link, anybody got a story verison link, that link seems to be long and hard to find info ( is it all about the bl raid)

[Kaelorr]

hmmm... looks like some of my fluff is wrong. crap. i'll fix that.

[NjalStormcall]

I thought our beloved Black Sorceror was pissing off everyone with his credo of, "Chaos can be controlled, and magic-men like me will turn chaos to our benefit and use it to help humanity. Humanity specifically under my rule, of course."

[Espi0n]

lol sounds right :D

[elfatto]

Well there never really was a chance for the Thousand Sons to do very well, since the outcome was decided by the campaign. Considering that TS are probably one of the rarer and hardest armies to play well with, facing the reliative numerous eldar players.

[Horus]

dont see why he would want ot help humanity, his amry is just a bunch of empty suits

[NightHaunter]

Cailet thank you for the link. I almost forgot about that site. I thought it went down when the campaign ended.

[NjalStormcall]

dont see why he would want ot help humanity, his amry is just a bunch of empty suits

He sees Chaos as being some sort of inferior primal force to be controlled, and would rather have his men turn into dust rather be mutated by chaos. The Word Bearers would so want to tear him apart, I think.

"What? You are saying our gods should be used as batteries for your magic?"

[NightHaunter]

I did pretty well with them in the campaign. The 2 wounds per basic soldier come in really handy :D

[NjalStormcall]

I had difficulty with their lack of high-strength weapons. What am I supposed to use against enemy vehicles? Bolt of Change is very flavorful, but its only one S8 attack.

[NightHaunter]

9 man squad means you get a sorceror for free, buy more bolts, get a dreadnaught, or better yet, land raider, just balance out your points and make sure you have them in the right place at the right time.

[NightHaunter]

Hey I found the Czevak info in a White Dwarf just then! What a worthless thread! :dunce:
I apologise to anyone who had to rummage around to find info for me and appreciate it all. :)

Well, I've got to hit the hay now so good night everyone.

[|AXiN|]

Where does it say Czevak escaped Ahriman? I was under the impression that Ahriman tore the location of the Black Library out of him and then disposed of the corpse. Commoragh hasn't been destroyed, to the best of my knowledge, but I don't think the DE were much more impressed than the Craftworlders when Ahriman and his merry men invaded the webway with the goal of becoming a god. When you get right down to it, I'm not sure many people were happy about it.

[NightHaunter]

It's in White Dwarf 287

[Ghost Maker]

Hey i read the white dwarf and it does say that it says ahriman knows where the black libary is when he tore it from chevaks mind but he is not dead just incarcerated in the webway when he was rescued by the harlequins (not the dark eldar).

ALSO it says that ELDRAD ULTUAN IS DEAD is this true i might of read it wrong but i think his soul was devoured by the talisman of vaul he tryed to find which had been corupted by slannesh i may be wrong can someone plaese tell me since i think eldrad is one of the coolest caracters and it would be krap to see him to be dead !!!!!!!!!!

[Eldannesh]

I just read that on the games workshop website, he is. The talisman was being controlled by Slannesh :( Its really annoying he was so gud!

[Fang]

Well I suppose if Eldrad is dead then they have to redo the eldar codex since we need a new uber character (the phoenix lords dont count) now that he is dead. I hope they dont discontinue that model though cause it is pretty sweet.

[WimpBastard]

Hmmmm.....I wonder what Slaanesh is doing with Eldrad's soul....

[Ghost Maker]

It says in the same white dwarf that before he left to go to the talisman with his warlocks he appointed a succesor so maybe this succesor is a new powerful character they will introduce in the new codex.

[NjalStormcall]

Hmmmm.....I wonder what Slaanesh is doing with Eldrad's soul....

Squicking it, I'm sure.

[Deathwing]

And humans aren't allowed into the webway; only that one Inquisitor has ever entered the webway. and a load of tzeenchian daemons and marines durring EoT.

The Inquistor was Jac Draco, right? ( Read it in a Ian Watson novel )

He entered the webway and the BL together with his Cullidus Assassin and a Imperial Fist Space Marine ( Lexandro D'Arquebus, if I remember correct).

[Cailet]

Well Czevak seems to be in close co-operation with the Eldar and has actually been in the BL (within the WW) and Ravenor (I need to get that book) is connected too... I'd say there have been a few over the millenia.

[Inquisitor Mau]

The Inquistor was Jac Draco, right? ( Read it in a Ian Watson novel )

He entered the webway and the BL together with his Cullidus Assassin and a Imperial Fist Space Marine ( Lexandro D'Arquebus, if I remember correct).

And a Squat :p

[Deathwing]

Oh yes, I forgot about Grimm. And they took the Eye of a navigator with them ( as a map, right? ). Perverts

[NightHaunter]

Hmmmm.....I wonder what Slaanesh is doing with Eldrad's soul....
Well I hope he's/she's enjoying whatever he/she does with Eldar souls, because he/she pissed off alot of Eldar players pulling that stunt.

Not that I care, he's one less thread to Tzeentch's master plan :D

[NjalStormcall]

Slaaneesh: Ooh! New footstool!

*places feet on the twisted, deformed soul of Eldrad*

Remember Slaaneesh' throne room description? Fun :)

[NightHaunter]

LoL :D

[NightHaunter]

I think Eldrad deserves at least to be a head cusion or something :) .

[Cailet]

He'll probably escape, cunning bugger that he is.

[Espi0n]

Yeh he obviously will, but only time will tell..

[TheWatcher]

He'll probably escape, cunning bugger that he is.

Gonna have to be cunning. It's not like he can just seduce a Daemonette into breaking him out ;)

Maybe during visting hours an Harlequin will slip him a file in a cherry pie...

[|AXiN|]

I have to say I was pretty happy when Eldrad died, just as I was when Tycho died. The preponderance of special characters was a hangover from 2nd Ed, where characters ruled supreme. And, Eldran has been 'on the verge' of a natural death for, what, 12 years now?

[Captain Zog]

Yeah, his body was crystallising i believe, his natural life was almost up, i'm surprised GW didn't send him out in a blaze of glory.

[NightHaunter]

Yeah, his body was crystallising i believe, his natural life was almost up, i'm surprised GW didn't send him out in a blaze of glory.
Yeah I was quite suprised by that myself. Tycho died quite honorably, surrounded by the bodies of his fallen enemies.

It is quite ironic how Eldrad used to give alot of shit to humanity and ended up dying trying to protect a human world. :)
But I doubt that he will come back, he's strong but I doubt he's THAT strong.

On another note, I wonder why Cypher wasn't included in the new Codex: Chaos Space Marines as he is one of the more important special characters.

[TheWatcher]

Didn't the Dark Angels nail him during the EoT under guise of the "voice of the Emperor" or some such?

[NightHaunter]

They captured him, but while they were shipping him to the Rock for interrogation he disappeared from his prison cell, he's a sneaky bastard that one.

[TheWatcher]

Ahh I see. Aye, that he is...

Maybe he'll be the one to break out Eldrad then? And to bring it back on topic, maybe they'll grab Czevak whilst they're at it.

[NjalStormcall]

Nah, it just seems like someone keeps whisking off Cypher when he's in trouble. Its like he's the favored son of some God or another.

[NightBringer]

when did eldred die? links please :)

[TheWatcher]

Its like he's the favored son of some God or another.

Isn't everybody these days?

[NightBringer]

actually horus is more like lusithur... the most favoured of all the angels. to which i belive are the children of the powers that be (dont personally belive ther is one "GOD" or many "GODS"

[NjalStormcall]

Well, most of the 40k gods don't snatch people to safety(arguably the Emperor grants sanctuary in the Empryeen, but you're still as dead to a physical world). Actually, in retrospect, that sounds almost like what the Laughing God, given his love of trickery and mastery of the webway, would do.

[Defcon]

IT's actually a rule for Cypher in the old Chaos Codex: "Divine Protection"

Divine Protection:

Cypher is protected by an unknown Chaos power who spirits him away at the last moment if danger threatens. This is represented by allowing Cypher a 4+ Invulnerable save on 3D6 against any attack or other damage that reduces his wounds to 0. This is a special save that is made when Cypher is killed and may be taken after his armour save. If Cypher makes the saving throw then he suddenly disappears from the battlefield. Remove the model as if he had been killed, but do not award any Victory points to the opposing player.

I always liked Cypher. I'm just happy they got rid of Doomtrain for Fulgrim's Champion, Lucius

[Ghost Maker]

Actually wasn’t eldrad crystallising or something and was going to become a big psychic crystal?
Sorry for the spelling

Oh and it tells about eldrad in the white dwarf 287 the one with aragorn on it in the eye of terror summary theirs a story about him going on the talisman plus it tells how he appointed a succesor as i said earlier i hope this successor is a new special character.

it says at the end of the story bit
"It was the power of she who thirsts. the great enemy... Slaanesh
Eldrad tried to free his spirit from the talisman, but it was already too late. the darkness reached out to swallow him and his soul was dragged screaming into the depthless heart of the blackstone fortress for al eternity"

I still think its crap he’s dead. bad way to go seeing as he’s an important character and shouldn’t have been killed by slannesh since that bitch (pardon my French is the great enemy damm I wish Khorne would kick her ass!! :bandit:

[Captain Zog]

I think its a clever ploy by GW, rather like in the Gaunts Ghosts books with the Liijah Cuu character, a psycho who (****SPOILER****) kills main characters.(****SPOILER****)

You hate the way the characters die, but it seems more realistic, not everyone can die saving the planet/galaxy, the million to one chance but it might just work often turns out to be a 999,999 to one chance (And therefore doomed to fail)

[NightBringer]

yeah but eldrad uthran being killed by slannesh? come on hes the greatest farseer who ever lived, surely unless he saw it coming and never said anything to anyone, wouldn't do something that reckless

[DarthFelth]

sorry i thought the black stone ate him as such, not that minor god ;)

[NightHaunter]

Here's the link from the White Dwarf mag NightBringer:
http://www.eyeofterror.com/uk/assets/eot-conclusion.pdf

[TheWatcher]

yeah but eldrad uthran being killed by slannesh? come on hes the greatest farseer who ever lived, surely unless he saw it coming and never said anything to anyone, wouldn't do something that reckless

Maybe he saw it but thought he could change it? Maybe he thought he had to go anyway, because his duty required it of him?

Wasn't there something similar about Sanguinius forseeing his own death, but going to fight Horus anyway? (Which, imo, just makes the dude even cooler. Go Blood Angels!)

[KingKupo]

At the time Eldrad could not do his 'see futures' trick, Hence he could not see the blackstone was corrupted by slaanesh.

[Cailet]

Read Shadow point for a description of the phenomenon in full. Basically at certain points there is all to play for and the event creates a shadow around the primary players which screws with future-sight.

[Majestyk]

I read somewhere that the Emperor wants Cypher to come kill him so he can be reborn. Therefore, assuming that's true, and a bunch of people have confirmed this for me, it would make sense that the person who watches over him is the Emperor.
Of Course, if all the stuff about the Emperor wanting to die is WRONG, then that just pitches that theory out the window, doesn't it?

also, I wouldn't be too surprised if Eldrad resurfaced, all it says is that he was dragged away screaming by a daemon into the warp. I would think he'll just go a few rounds with the daemon and then meander his way back to realspace. he's a tough old nut.

[NightBringer]

i think that the emporer is the one that is the protector of cyphur, seeing as it does say a mystirous chaos power (nothing more mysterious in the warp than something good lol) seeing as the fallen angels only ever really want to kill dark angels and visa versa

[NjalStormcall]

The Fallen angels, depending on who they were, either have become:

1) True chaos worshippers
2) Completely nihilistic and masterless rogues.
3) Fights for humanity seeking to redeem their guilt.

For both #2 and #3, they feel guilt for what they have done. #2 just wishes to shrug it off rather than trying to atone for it somehow...from what I understand, the majority of the Fallen actually belong to that category. That said, all of the Fallen except perhaps the true Chaos kin appears to have some sort of kinship with Cypher.

And yes, the Emperor is probably Cypher's protector.

[NightBringer]

i think they are defo a mix of 2&3,, defo not 1 tho, they may b able to fight with chaos armies, but also ig aswell

[Cailet]

There is a theory (probably incorrect) that the Dark Angels are really heretics seeking to cover their asses by taking the 'fallen' (who are loyal to the Emperor) down. cypher is therefore their worst nightmare as he has the potential to totally blow their cover.