God I hate GW!

[senor_kickass]

Every one. Go to the GW online store and take a look at your army. see anything? Guess what. Gw raised prices on blisters by $1, and raised prices on vehicles and some elites by $5. Remember the $15 XV8's? $20 Remember the $35 basilisks? $40. Remember the $25 Grey knights? $30. Remember the $55 LRC? $60 frikking bucks!

I dont see how GW can continue to operate if they continue to raise prices. I can't even afford the tanks I want now!

[Cailet]

Go here (http://www.eldaronline.com/community/index.php?topic=69352.0) to join the club and conspire to bring the prices down.

Everyone here join and we can make a difference!

:comment:
"We shall overcome!"

[Imperial marine]

there are no price raises in england

[Cailet]

Not yet but it's only a matter of time. I'm UK as well.

[Lyphen]

I used to buy them at hobby stores, prices were usualy alot lower.

[Soupy]

Welcome to the wonderful world of the falling dollar. As US currency has fallen against the British Pound and the Euro, imports from Europe will cost Americans more.

[Civik]

funny, the dollar was worth a lot more four years ago... ;)

[JStallion]

www.actionvillage.com has the prices reduced from GW's. It's not that much, but saving money is saving money.

[senor_kickass]

Buy stuff on ebay NOW, Before the auctioneers can raise their prices to compensate gw's. I just saved $9 on a hammerhead!!!! :bandit:

[Lord Malcom]

Welcome to the wonderful world of the falling dollar. As US currency has fallen against the British Pound and the Euro, imports from Europe will cost Americans more.


Many of the plastic kits are now manufactured in the U.S., So the value of the dollar wouldnt matter. In fact if that was the true reason then the prices in the UK would drop---I DONT THINK SO.

[Noir]

Fear the Warstore (http://www.thewarstore.com/)

[Vijil]

Welcome to the wonderful world of monopoly. GW have an effective monopoly on sci fi TT gaming, and so they'll continue to raise their prices until their profits stop going up with each price rise.

Consider that they have an addictive product that ties people in very effectively through some very clever marketting, and its perfectly feasible that their prices will continue to rise.

"Conspiring" to bring GW prices down can only work if

A: Everyone stops buying GW products. Yeah right.

B: People turn en masse to a smaller competitor system. Yeah Right.

C: People join together and start a competing company that achieves similar market share without being shut down by GW through hard business. Yeah Right.

D: People get illegal about it en masse. Yeah right, its simply too hard to replicate GW stuff. Also, GW would get very nasty, and probably put their prices up to "cover costs" and to let you know that its not working.

E: People sign some sort of huge petition asking for the prices to come down lots, pretty please. lmao, wtf ever. GW are a stock exchange listed corporation with shareholders, therefore under european law it is illegal for them to take any action which they know will reduce profits, no matter how nice it may be.

I hate to be cynical, but this simply is not going to work. The best option is C, but unless you have either shitloads of money (like, really shitloads), or manage to recruit Danald Trump as your advisor (also requiring shitloads of money), you'd be stupid to take GW on head on. Unless you could saturate the market with better cheaper products (unbelievably hard), you couldnt get them to drop their prices. If they did drop their prices, they'd undercut you so bad that without Bill Gates funding you you wouldnt sell a thing... or would go bankrupt. Then GW would simply put the prices back up. If you think any of the other ideas might work, then post here and Ill tell you in detail why they wont.

If you have a genius new idea I havent listed, Im all ears. Then I'll tell you why it wont work.

Surprise me.

[Srealth_Dragon]

now lets say you already got a pretty good industry going like microsoft or even better ikea. you just buy gw and lower the prices youself :D

[KlownDC]

i dont know how its working in america, but here in canada they raised the prices of boxed stuff (that was around 35 cdn) by 5 dollars, lowerd the price on most tank sets (which were between 50-55 cdn) by 5-10 dollars, and raised the price of boxed army deals (which were 120cdn) by 10 dollars.

no matter where you live gw stuff is expensive. in my oppinion its too expensive. to buy a plastic leman russ battle tank unpainted and unglued costs 50 dollars cdn. in contrast buying an already assembled expertly painted die-cast metal king tiger tank with painted crew (which is 1.5 times larger than the leman russ) from a hobby store costs 30 dollars cdn.

on top of that 25-30 dollars cdn for a 3rd edition 40 page codex is just rediculous. remember the 2nd edition codex(s)? those things were 3-4 times larger than these new ones and were stuffed full of interesting stories, origins of the race, weapon descriptions and art. i pity the person who starts an eldar race now since gw prints nothing anymore that explains the origin of the eldar in any detail. on top of that the old books were 15 or so dollars at that point. the new codecies are not worth what they are selling them for.

[/rant]

[Havock]

yeah, the price is the main thing that is deterring me from getting "into" it.

it's an expensive hobby.
but then again: hobbies are generally pretty expensive.

did some militairy scale-model building when i was young, man, that sure has become expensive as well.

but GW is indeed pushing their "monopoly" too far.

[JStallion]

Unknown<ID>, went to your site and...
Unfortunately Games Workshop will no longer permit retail stores to sell Games Workshop products on the internet via an online shopping cart. However, we can continue to sell Games Workshop products both by telephone and mail order.

[Long_Shot]

Logically...

In comparison to say...Hasbro, do you really think GW actually competes?

It's basically a singular chain, that is not widely known or advertised. It does not have a lot of stores, or a lot of publicity, which means that it doesn't sell as much, and still has to cover marketing costs, and it seems to be continually epxanding so that just gets more and more expensive.

There's no competition or anything. It's all on it's own.

So, while it is hideously expensive, and most likely inflated price wise, it's also needing to pay for all of it's production, shipping, employees, stores, and the whole kit-and-kaboozle.

[Dimension]

funny thing is that with all the price hikes, i didn't actually see a notable increase of advertising. pretty much all of the stuff you mention had to be paid for ever since the beginning of GW's life. the question remains, WHY are there price hikes? the only plausable excuse is the increasing price of tin. seriously, they haven't really come up with a lot of new fluff compared to 2nd ed now, right? most models will stay the same, so they didn't have to hire new creative minds to think up fluff and create new models.

[Van]

I am so glad i got sufficiently pissed at GW when they axed 2nd ed. that i quit WH40k then and there. Three armies finally completely finished and now they want me to go out and buy new codexes, rules books and new minis to replace the ones they just invalidated?


Get bent GW.



WH40k: Dawn of War, if its the game we all hope it will be, will fulfill any lingering Warhammer 40k urges.

[Thalasion]

Hey Vijil I think idea D could work. 1 person who can make models from scrach mackes a small selection of models, gets some casts of them done, sells them on the net for half what GW does. Shure they would be lower quality and less models to choose from but at half the price i think people would buy.

[Hellbound]

Longshot has got it right and i agree totally so quit ya whining as GW has to pay for better stuff they are doing (new terminators) some way and the price rise cant be too much

[FeloniousPunk]

Hey Vijil I think idea D could work. 1 person who can make models from scrach mackes a small selection of models, gets some casts of them done, sells them on the net for half what GW does. Shure they would be lower quality and less models to choose from but at half the price i think people would buy.

That might be an ok plan - until GW find out about it and send their lawyers after you.

[orkdom]

I hate to be cynical, but this simply is not going to work. The best option is C, but unless you have either shitloads of money (like, really shitloads), or manage to recruit Danald Trump as your advisor (also requiring shitloads of money), you'd be stupid to take GW on head on. Unless you could saturate the market with better cheaper products (unbelievably hard), you couldnt get them to drop their prices. If they did drop their prices, they'd undercut you so bad that without Bill Gates funding you you wouldnt sell a thing... or would go bankrupt. Then GW would simply put the prices back up. If you think any of the other ideas might work, then post here and Ill tell you in detail why they wont.

If you have a genius new idea I havent listed, Im all ears. Then I'll tell you why it wont work.

Surprise me.

C could never possibly work out. back during 2nd deition, there was a company that started producing models called "orc commandos". sound a little familiar? the company then had the chance to feel the lovely divine retribution of the emperor, and was immediately blasted off the face of the earth by en masse sueing...any company w/ something that GW decides it doesn't like hangin around is gonna have its owners in for a huge load of debt, and there's no stoppin' GW after it starts. ( GW sees an upstart company and notices the mould for a model called dwarven cannoneers looks strangely alike to their own dwarven thunderers, but it costs a bit less... :banned: )

here's an idea: EBAY

[Noir]

What about Blizzard? :p

[Dimension]

"hey look, that Tyranid looks just like mrmin123's avatar!Funny that!"

[Code_Shark]

You have to look at the fact the the people at GW probably expected people to be angry about the price hikes. So there has to be a good reason for them.

>Possibly a new factory because of the new armies or something?
>More Stores?

[donut-IG]

I feel bad for canadians , i feel bad for myself.
someone please think of the Canadians!

[spacewolflord]

If you hate them so much why don't you look on line and find a different game to play with the same models you got or use there models. Ive looked and some of the other games out there look a lot a like. Try Warzone and the sadly defunked Shockforce

[Dante]

Games workshop is pretty evil with their prices...maybe. Well at least there wont be a huge/major prive jump for a while...right? i mean the rhino has remained a constant 25$ for the longest time and only recently did they jump to 30. So hopefully they will stay at this price for a long logn time...i mean the prices now are bearable if not a little irratible to my wallet. I am still buying stuff from their stores, but not exclusively anymore. I have started browsing round ebay and stuff. Also Gw banned internet sales of thier products! jeez...talk about market control. oh well...

[spacewolflord]

I have seen on the forums else where a way around that. CALL THEM. They will still sell over the phone. A bit of truble but evryone needs work on their personal skills once in a while

[Code_Shark]

If you are in Georgia go to a store called The War Room www.thewarroom.com
their prices were a little lower befare and have stayed the same even through this.

[Pherdnut]

Maybe you guys should just check out Mage Knight or Dark Ages or something. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's wargaming lite but still fun. I played a little 40K once and it was much fun but the prohibitive cost was what kept me from getting hooked enough to buy my own stuff.

[No Surrender]

Pherdnut: When I buy minitures I want to know exactly what I'm getting in the package. I absolutly hate the idea of collectable minitures. Cards are slightly better because you get more in a pack and they're cheaper but with minitures it's just impractical. Also, I have a grudge against WizKids for what they did to the Battletech Universe.

[Vijil]

people keep saying this is to do with the price of tin. NO its NOT.

Its the fact that they are a monopoly. Thats all the reason they need to put their prices up.

[Ork_Boy]

C could never possibly work out. back during 2nd deition, there was a company that started producing models called "orc commandos". sound a little familiar? the company then had the chance to feel the lovely divine retribution of the emperor, and was immediately blasted off the face of the earth by en masse sueing...any company w/ something that GW decides it doesn't like hangin around is gonna have its owners in for a huge load of debt, and there's no stoppin' GW after it starts. ( GW sees an upstart company and notices the mould for a model called dwarven cannoneers looks strangely alike to their own dwarven thunderers, but it costs a bit less... :banned: )

here's an idea: EBAY

Im pretty sure the people of who own GW have always been a little paranoid about everything and they move quickly to strike any large(Or small as shown above) opposition with lightning speed and 1.5 million lawyers.
Anything even hanging on to games workshop for instance, Orc Warriors, who are green, Are certainly in for a sue.

[Noir]

Unknown<ID>, went to your site and...
Unfortunately Games Workshop will no longer permit retail stores to sell Games Workshop products on the internet via an online shopping cart. However, we can continue to sell Games Workshop products both by telephone and mail order.

Apologies for waiting 5 days to reply to a post but...that's exactly what the Warstore does :p

[Lysit]

there are no price raises in england

Realy? I can remember 4 major ones and a dozen where blisters were increased in price, or quantity was reduced (eg 3 models to 2).

Anyone remember 15 pound for a box with 2 rhinos in it? Now its £20 for one.

[Rath Cycle]

Just greedy people at GW :(

[Ark_Z]

I gotta say that the prices on GW miniautures is a bunch of crud. Since I began playing 40k, prices were raise two or three times. And without stores being able to sell the miniatures anymore, it's either E-Bay at about 1/2 the normal price, Hobby store for 5$ less than retail, or the whole frieken price! :madashel:

[Fend]

:( Think of the australians.

when i began 9 years ago i could buy a spacemarine Captain for $9 (thats pretty cheap here in aus). now it costs $21 bucks!

when i began they still had goblin spider riders. and they were only $5 !

o_o OMG 2 rhinos! WOW. i wish i was in england 9 years ago o_o

Maybe we should look at this from another angle...

- Gamesworkshop has shareholders. greedy little people who urge them to push prices up so when it comes to them getting alittle of their earnings, they can afford to go buy a new hotel or sail around in sydney bay like reynald rivkin.

- The models have improved over the 9 years. I remeber once you could buy a 5 - 12 man squad of old plastics for $15. you could make an army super cheap and super fast. now you get 8 - 20 (depending on the army) minis for $40 bucks. and thats only based on the last time i went to gamesworkshop (1 year ago). now that im hearing bout all this new price hikeing im begining to wonder if i want to go back. (fear of what i KNOW i will find on the pricetag).

- On another REALLY far out idea... as alot of Veteran gamers may notice over the last few years there has been a huge influx in newbies, despite the price hikes. now with all these little 8 year old kids Flooding in wanting to buy minitures (which they only had instock for the die hard gamers before hand), they decided to price hike to scare the little kiddys off (kinda like putting on a really ugly mask). This didnt work. instead , the veteran gamers began leaving and the newbies kept coming. now 4 price hikes later it seems all the veteran gamers in my neighborhood have given up :( i havent seen anyone else converting / painting or fielding new minitatures in atleast 2 years. those who i do see are newbies fielding their cruddy painted blobs of pink pokadot ultramarines all armed with powerswords and plasmaguns that dont overheat because they have bionic auguments. what a load of crap. I belive the problem here is the customer. maybe if GW became a mail order only buisness... or based itself on the top of some inaccessable place (like mount everest), i would see these exciteing golden days return. but no. Instead i have found myself sitting in a corner like a recovering heroin addict. Wanting to continue that hobby i had so much fun with, but on the other hand superglueing my wallet to the roof so i wont be tempted to spend on what is now becoming an increasingly pointless and ridiculous hobby. I really want to start a new army but on the other hand i may as well take up smokeing. its cheaper and more satisfying.

[kais 54]

i have not been effected really as i live in england but they have all this money why dont they put adverts on the tv and stuff like that

[ZzGashi]

i kno this is a little late but just go to a hobby store and get the minitures
first of all: prices are a tad lower
second: u dun have to pay for shipping :D

[Havock]

I don't really think the books will be that difficult, i mean, if you know someone else who plays it as well, why not buy one book together, saves half the price and after a while, you don't really need it directly with you anymore :p

[Fend]

all the dudes i know are Extreemly Reluctant to pass their codex's around... theyre like men possessed when it comes to "the secrets of Khorne" or "the mystique of the tau" or "the Unknown terror of the hive" or sum shit. :/ You can only really share the rule book and the monthly white dwarf :/

[Thalasion]

This comment is inappropriate. - Triceron

[kais 54]

when gw raised the prices to scare kids of it did not work the snotty nose little kids just go mummy daddy can i get some models and they get some.they are so annoying little kids as they think they are better than you and all gw did was scare veterans off
and in gw they said that kaskrin had different ruels than normal storm troopers
ps:cadia ruels

[Ark_Z]

:( Think of the australians.

when i began 9 years ago i could buy a spacemarine Captain for $9 (thats pretty cheap here in aus). now it costs $21 bucks!


I agree with Fend. I wasn't playing when the stuff was almost or even 1/2 as cheap. At my local hobby store, people say how everything was less pricey n stuff. All I know is GW is pushing it's monopoly way too far. $45.00 US for a Tyranid Hive Tyrant is a gyp. And even in the year I've been playing, prices went up two times. Once 15% on everything, and then about 5$ on boxed sets! :banghead: Just to not give GW anymore money and to save, I use E-Bay! :jest:

Double Post

And also, how they got a bigger manopoly, is the obvious reason that basically everyone knows, was that the stop selling them to online stores, so the stores could sell to other people (I.E. www.ecrazyeddies.com) and also now only yets most stores order items by phone! For some reason the only place I see them is Hobbytown USA, kinda odd... :loco:

[Fend]

45 Bucks AmERIcan is :screwy:

:disgust: i think its about time... Fend unleashed sum Kung fuu on GW's Ass... :num:

[101stCadians]

This raising of prices cannot be tolerated, for now my Grey Knights cost lots of MONEY as well as points!! **Sniff**

[Hellshammer]

ya last time i went to a GW store i went in for like 2 pots of paints and i come out 100 bucks poorer i dont even remember what i bought -_-

[Fend]

i think weve all had that experiance. i remeber once going in there for a white dwarf, and coming out with half a Skaven army :| i mean sheesh, they sure to employ really good salesmen. i mean, The players in the store do half the selling, ever wondered why so many young people land jobs there (ive seen 3 13 year olds working in my local GW!!!)

[iceheart07]

to suggest without any hard evidence that GW raised prices in order to scare off newbies is ridiculous. There is no company in the world that would ever employ such a tactic, no matter how hard line. Both of those practices, raising prices, and scaring off newbies, are considered bad business and to do one in order to accomplish the other would be the worst business move possible. The prices must be raised in order to accomodate GW's expansion, perhaps, however a better idea is to convince GW to sell off the liscence to game and movei publishers to cover the expansion costs, which would lower prices on miniatures and get more people buying them so that it is benificial for all. :fight:

[Dannyboy2]

to suggest without any hard evidence that GW raised prices in order to scare off newbies is ridiculous. There is no company in the world that would ever employ such a tactic, no matter how hard line. Both of those practices, raising prices, and scaring off newbies, are considered bad business and to do one in order to accomplish the other would be the worst business move possible. The prices must be raised in order to accomodate GW's expansion, perhaps, however a better idea is to convince GW to sell off the liscence to game and movei publishers to cover the expansion costs, which would lower prices on miniatures and get more people buying them so that it is benificial for all. :fight:
To let you know, the guys at games workshop are loons. I went to a GW once and the guys had to finish painting an ork before i could even ask him a question about paints. Thats absurd. And GW could employ that tactic because the "experts" Will still spend there gaming dollar on GW stuff. And do you ever notice that the LOTR stuff is a lot lower in price????? Rock on :mrpantha:

[peer]

I hear the Illuminati is actually behind all this.

[Grim_Reaper47]

Think about it,look at all the pictures,paintings of pics and on models,novels and hundreds of other story's,make campaings GW does that must cost millions.They have to pay all these people to do these things so they can interest you.Those pictures you see in those books must cost thousands maybe millions.Those are really good drawings they have.But I do agree there stuff is too pricey.They can make 5 plastic marines for 60 dallors if they wanted to because they have no compition.

[Triceron]

Well now you know why the figures are so expensive, its because they're using all that money to make more paintings!