Internations Campaings Rigged?

[ChoasLord98']

It appears to me that every Great Crusade, or Armeggeddon campaing launched always ends up with the Forces Of Good winning? Is it because theres just more people who play good? Or is it cause people are pansies and dont wanna see galaxies destroyed? Anwho gimme your input onto this subjet and I'll see what you have to say.
(No I'm making this just cause I play Chaos)

[Talos]

it is true.So to change this iam going to make some campainngs like the great crusade and will see wat happens with great players behind chaos

[ChoasLord98']

Oh my god someone is actually on my side with this topic!
Thanks for your input dude! By the way you Iron Warriors did great in the 13th Crusade thx! :bandit:

[Hellscream]

um... they won at Armageddon? That planet is all but destroyed, orks are everywhere and cant ever be fully removed. The surrounding sectors have been stripped of their defenses just to keep Armageddon in Imperial hands. They had to take ships from the Tyranid counter attack fleet. Glazskul is still out and about.

Cadia is all but lost, Chaos can go wherever they please now. Necrons/C'Tan are making a comeback, Tyranids are rampaging, and the Tau take whatever they please. Sounds like the Imperium is losing to me. Maybe the Emperor is needed to bring order back, hrm... me thinking resurrection soon :P

Also i think that this thread is supposed to be in W40K background and fluff room. That and, wtf is up with all the capital letters....

[ChoasLord98']

Sorry its a habit to put capitals on everything I find it looks alot more profetional!


EDIT by peer: it does not. stop it.

[Chaos Lord]

from the fulff ive seen and herd the emporer is coming back, and so are the primarch's
but yes the imperium is finaly buckling under the wait

[Stormblade]

Well it sure looks one hell of a lot less representable to me.. and a lot harder on the eyes. However I think that it may have been rigged slightly... chaos did win in the 13th crusade, Cadia is decimated, but I think chaos should probably have control over the planet...

[ChoasLord98']

Okay, okay! From the input I've been getting on this thread it seems as though people did find the campaings slightly rigged. I must admit the 13th one did go well, but still, why can't Chaos ever have their fair win? We never got Cadia even after we decimated the damn thing! And plus there is only so many loyal Marines (erm- a thousand per chapter?) But Chaos has almost 3 Times as many marines and chapters/groups! I just dont get tt. Good guys suck. Next Crusade I'm gonna decimate those Emperor bastards! :bandit:

[Pike]

Moving this to the proper forum.

[Aajz Solari]

from the fulff ive seen and herd the emporer is coming back, and so are the primarch's
but yes the imperium is finaly buckling under the wait

well i dont believe that because that would be the end of wh40k story line :)

why ?
Because all primachs said that they would return to fight the final battle against the chaos space marines .
The emperor is a cripple , his soul bounded in a destroyed body , well i heard rumors that his soul is slowly leaving his body in time , to be reborn . There is a fraction in the Inquisiton that is searching for the Starchilds , kids of the emperor with mortal womans. they believe that the emperor hides himself in one of those.well and he is no longer the "emperor" there is a council on earth that rules the mankind.

no offense on the emperor :)

[peer]

ChoasLord98', please stop capitalizing every word. It makes your posts horribly hard to read.

I've edited your posts in this thread to make them easier on the eyes; I hope I won't have to do so again.

[chocolate]

Slightly off aajz. I cant remember the exact details, but slowly the emperor is being tempted by chaos, and the astronomican is dimming. Once he is gone completely, he will merge with the sensei (a group who believe that once this happens they will become immortal. Actually they will be sacrificed to complete the star childs birth). Currently, the Illuminati are paving the way for this to happen. They are considered heretics, and must also make sure that the Emperor himself never learns of them. Otherwise he will realize his fate, and attempt to resist it.

[Dimension]

the official website stated a victory for the forces of disorder (not just chaos). however, its more or less a stalemate. nothing really changed if you look at the way the game is being played.

[chocolate]

Nothing changed except for the orks, who are building an absurdly large amount of gargants in the Skarus sector. Whether or not GW bothers to make this have any impact on the game remains to be seen. I think they are busy with SoC right now anyway.

[Dante]

why do people say cdia is decimated? its not, otherwise chaos would be everywhere, and Abadon would have succeded. casdia is the last planet standing, but has taken great casualties. read thw white dwarf issue that has eye o' terror battle results, it explains what "happened"
Also the good side was winning up until the end, when chaos just exponentialy jumped in wins... :(

[chocolate]

As somebody who played forces of disoreder. We were totally disorganized (makes sense for armies coined under, forces of disorder). Then we got our act together in the mid to last weeks and started kicking good a**. Cadia was decimated. It has been effectively reduced to a bunch of shattered cities, filled with chaos and IG remnants battling it out. The reason no results have been shown (results meaning, cool new minies)is because despite what they say, GW will never allow their universe to change. Admittedly, they did add some more plague marine minis, but thats about it.

[Gastrian]

Because of tactics. Imperium forces won more oftenbut due to a poor grasp of the rules their extra wins counted for nothing.

It also appears ChaosLord98 has no idea what he's talking about. The forces of good did not win the last campaign. There are more Loyal Space Marines then there are Chaos. The Imperium has been making new space marines since the end of teh Horus Heresy, the Chaos factions have had to make do with what they were left with after the conflict plus one or two chapters going over too Chaos.

[chocolate]

Slightly wrong Gastrain. Thanks to good ol Fabius Bile, chaos can get as many more CSM as it wants... provided they can pay the price (although I would just threaten to put a bolter shell in his head).

[FeloniousPunk]

Slightly wrong Gastrain. Thanks to good ol Fabius Bile, chaos can get as many more CSM as it wants... provided they can pay the price (although I would just threaten to put a bolter shell in his head).

Making CSMs is one thing, but where do they get the armor, implants, weapons, etc. etc. from? A Space Marine is nothing without all his kit. I find that the hardest thing to believe about Chaos, that Chaos could support anything like a serious industrial base to keep its armies equipped well enough to even bother the Imperium. Sure, they get new infusions of traitors every once and a while, steal equipment on raids, still have some kit left over from 10,000 years ago, etc. but that surely could not be enough. The Imperium has a hard enough time keeping itself equipped and keeping enough knowledge to still build and operate the old gear, it's hard to see how a bunch of demon-infested freaks could do it.

It's worse in BFG, given how Chaos seems to be able to build gigantic advanced ships far in excess to anything the Imperium can make, like the Planet Killer, despite the fact that they are, well, Chaos. :confused:

[KingKupo]

Chaoslord 98', Have you ever looked at the organization of SM? there are more SM than Chaos because of the succesor chapters, meaningn that while the Ultramarines chapter itself has aprox. 1000 marines it has countless successor chapters. Go read some Fluff from directly after the end of the Horus heresy and you'll see i'm right.

IF chaos wins, That would mean the end of 40K unless you want to play a few matches of CM against CM for the 1.000000000st time.


Oh and Bile has his own bodygaurd of genetically engineered abominations and if you were to kill him all the other legions would immediaty look for you and rape you


good guys suck

There are no good guys in 40K, but any army calling themselves evil does deserve to die tough.

EDIT: they steal the equipment of dead bodies and chaos makes it works(almost as stupid as orks their "we believe it works so it works theory"). They also have slaves to build their ships and a few installations for tanks and defilers.

[Hellscream]

They also have a bunch of Adeptus Mechanius Traitors from the Heresy as well. They would oviously hold knowledge of how to make the necessary equipment. They probably dont have the most uptodate weaponry, but whatever they got is still effective. That and everything is bless by the Chaos gods to work better.

As for killing Bile and the legions coming after you... well sacrifices need to be made :)

Who you calling stupid? We orkses never be beaten.... you know how the rest of it goes. WAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!! :)

[Talos]

bile labs where destroyed by i cant rember his name

[Dimension]

you mean that inquisitor that ended up fighting with eldar /harlequins?

[Sir Guppy]

the imperium lost the eye of terror, but at the end of the campaign all the good players posted victories on cadia, so it ended up at around in imperial control - abbaddon was denied total victory.

On Armageddon the Imperium won but only slightly, armageddon is still really screwed up.

In a campaign "return to damoleces" it was a tournament, in which the tau tried to take over imperial areas, or the imperium came to take back tau areas, the imperium won convincingly i think.

I myself would like to see the imperium spilt its self apart, i would like to see a new age, where all the planets are seperated from earth and each other, all sort of organised rule is lost and planets have to fend for themselves. i think that would be really cool.

[chocolate]

This what always confused me about Bile... why bother with the whole protection thing when you can just threaten to kill him? Although he does have a bodyguard, I dont think that they could go against an entire legion of chaos. In fact, looking at the game rules it seems that most of the "improvements" and experiments Bile make dont create "super" space marines. If in official Fabius had his labaratory burned, Chaos is in big trouble.

[Dimension]

as far as i know, tau expanded their empire by a good deal (relative to its original size anyways).

[Sir Guppy]

This what always confused me about Bile... why bother with the whole protection thing when you can just threaten to kill him? Although he does have a bodyguard, I dont think that they could go against an entire legion of chaos. In fact, looking at the game rules it seems that most of the "improvements" and experiments Bile make dont create "super" space marines. If in official Fabius had his labaratory burned, Chaos is in big trouble.

becasue if you kill he you cant get new CSMs and thats what the tratior legions really want.

[Lord_Maccarage]

Guppy, what you have to realise is that GW will never want to have to change the story too drastically. If they just say that one race has been defeated, a lot of gamers will have armies that are completely useless and will be quite annoyed to say the least. admitedly, they have done that before but only with smaller groups, not intregal factions. if anything too big happened, it would spoil the game. i would prefer GW to rig the campaigns slightly if it meant that the 40k universe would continue.
also, GW want to continue making money from all their popular lines, they wont close one down for the sake of story.

[chocolate]

I belive that the only time an army was dealt with was the squats. I didn't play back then, but they seemed to be unpopular (considering that most armies in 40K have a large following, it doesn't seem likely that this will happen again).

[Athair]

Dark Eldar also got the boot recently. You can still play them, but the owner of the local hobby shop said they stoped making more models. If they are making "too small" an income, they just close down the army.

[chocolate]

You can still buy em online. I just dont think there are any plans to make new editions of them.

[Sir Guppy]

or a codex, the dark eldar I think are gonna be made in small numbers still but will only be avaible via mail order. its cos they suck and no1 plays em, and they got ripped apart in the EoT.

[Chaos Lord]

Making CSMs is one thing, but where do they get the armor, implants, weapons, etc. etc. from? A Space Marine is nothing without all his kit. I find that the hardest thing to believe about Chaos, that Chaos could support anything like a serious industrial base to keep its armies equipped well enough to even bother the Imperium. Sure, they get new infusions of traitors every once and a while, steal equipment on raids, still have some kit left over from 10,000 years ago, etc. but that surely could not be enough. The Imperium has a hard enough time keeping itself equipped and keeping enough knowledge to still build and operate the old gear, it's hard to see how a bunch of demon-infested freaks could do it.

It's worse in BFG, given how Chaos seems to be able to build gigantic advanced ships far in excess to anything the Imperium can make, like the Planet Killer, despite the fact that they are, well, Chaos. :confused:

they take over worlds that could make all this for them
and they steal old equipment from the dead loyalists ect as well as their dead

they dont make the ships
the slaves build them...

plus they get the odd renegade SM joining them
and i dont think they would have a problem with cloneing

[Sir Guppy]

renegade SM? no SM had turned since the horus heresy

[chocolate]

Chapters near the Maelstrom send in a steady influx of renegade SM and recruits for the red corsairs stationed within. Something about him being real charismatic or somefing.

[Dante]

renegade SM? no SM had turned since the horus heresy

What bout the 21 founding chapters? The chapter the lementers helped tunred to chaos! and also if some one desired they can make their own amry fluff into saying that their chapter turned chaos just recently balh blah blah. But their hasn't been a great heresy since the Horus one, where half the legions went chaos..if that happened again...well that would be uber bad! :D

[Sir Guppy]

o well maybe im wrong but as far as i was aware no SM since horus Heresy has turned.

[rocket_Magnet]

having recently read the fluff on the eye of terror, the overall campaign was a minor choas vitory cadia is a write off, eldrad ulthran is dead (he tried to contact the hear of the vaul and slaanesh was waiting for him), so if anything most of the vitcories you see is becuase more people play good forces, the local store, which has its games unrelated to worldwide campaigns... the staff member running the game will have a game plan (such as a game script and most of the time will have determined who they want to win, and will do certain to make sure that side does win , trust me ive seen my local stores "war book") but on the worldwide scale therees no way to fix it, about the tau campaign in the eye of terror according to the fluff they colonized 4 new planets creating a halo around thei central homeworlds, so i dont know if they got battered, but they seemed to have made some advances, as for the primarchs and the emperor returning, i doubt it, i think thered have to another major worldwide campaign where imperials take another hammering, theyd have to be in a bad state before bringing that soryline in imo (well done if you read that withoutthe aid of paragraphs or basic punctuation :))

[davidbowie]

Armageddon was screwed by the fact the phone\result monkeys put whatever results they wanted in.

[Tigurius]

GW always makes it balanced. Nobody wins, nobody loses. We pretty much lost Cadia, but controlled space, so it balances out. No fluff changed, no chapters destroyed, Chaos still Chaos. Orks vs IG, roughly 50% and 50%, everyone is happy...

[Sir Guppy]

so if anything most of the vitcories you see is becuase more people play good forces

i really dont understand that arugment it makes no sense at all. just because more people play good forces doesnt mean automatically mean the good guys get more wins. a good force still has to play a bad force to get a victory.

for example in this club their are 20 good players and 10 bad players. on a single night 10 games are played by bad guys against good guys. the most number of good victories that can be reported is 10, because only ten games were played and their is only 10 people to play against.


Armageddon was screwed by the fact the phone\result monkeys put whatever results they wanted in.

i have to ask what is that based on? its very likely just exgaerated hear say.


No fluff changed

i think the fluff will change in the new 40k rule book, thats what the EoT was meant to effect.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

To come into this late and respond for the first time ...

Given the Eye of Terror campaign results, I can't see how Choas won. If anything it was draw.

[Sir Guppy]

nah it was a minior choas victory, with the tau and orks making gains, and the dark eldar being obliterated by the eldar.

[Aajz Solari]

renegade SM? no SM had turned since the horus heresy

hmm lets start :
Sons of Malice
The Pyre
Steel Cobras
Children of Purgatos
Warp Ghosts
Extinction Angels
Violators ( read the book demon world they are worshipping slaanesh)
Red Corsairs (not really a chaos marine chapter because many of them once where former members of other loyal chapters)

well there are alot more :)

[Sir Guppy]

really? im not to great on SM fluff, so ill take your word for it. are these chapters in black libary novels and stuff?

[chocolate]

Maybe. I know that if they weren't he got it from a page detailing different color schemes and making new chapters on the back of Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

[Grim_Reaper47]

the reason is because if the bad guys won it's all over for the good guys that why.GW made the 40k universe where nobody win's Imperium can't attack the eye and choas can't attack Terra or take down Cadia because of it's good defence systems.

[Dimension]

in theory, if the good guys lose, it would still be
orks, which can't really be killed as easily and can't be corrupted

vs nids who are uncorruptable, and numerous

vs chaos, tho i don't know how they alone could stop the C'Tan, all the while steering clear of taking high casualties from orks and nids

vs Necron, who cannot be corrupted and might be very numerous, as well as having powerful leaders in the form of the C'Tan. Necron can possibly fuck up chaos good due to the fact that they might seperate realspace from warpspace permanently.

oh yeah, and possibly dark eldar. but seriously, i doubt they'll ever stop slowly wasting away. and they were never ever of serious number to begin with.

[Thalasion]

I think when the dust settels from that battle nids would come out on top.

[Dimension]

i suspect that might be the case. on the other hand, we don't know how many necrons there truely are. i doubt orks or chaos could be the ultimate victors though. orks can't get their act together, and chaos are just not numerous enough.

for one thing, they lose the advantage of being able to terrify the enemy. a nid is a monstrous creature by itself, used to devour its own kin, and being devoured as well (rippers especially). most are probably not smart enough to feel terror, just confusion when guidance is lost. the smarter ones don't care if some big ol demon just came into life by emerging from a giant blood explosion, not to mention most chaos things are only marginally more scary than a carnifex, if at all. a necron... well, do i even need to spell it out?

and of course the fact that the C'Tan have the power to seperate warp from realspace, and chaos is hard pressed to survive outside of the warp.

[Imperial marine]

what i don't understand are the primarchs i mean the blood angel primarch is dead as a example how can he come back to life there could be another battle for earth or terra as its called cadia will probaly be taken back by the imperium and what if they replace DE with a new race i think the eye of teror will be attacked but the imperium will fail not to menton i think now eldrads dead the craftworld he came from [whats it called its near the eye of teror] will be destroyed by a chaos invasion and slannesh will be there to take the souls of the eldar on that craftworld tzeentch will make a plan to attack the tau and commader farsight will attack the orks at armergedon the tyranids will take more planets and kill more and much much more

[KingKupo]

i don't think wingboy is coming back. On the other hand, primarches like Leman Russ, Ferrus manus, Lion El Jhonson and perhaps Corax will because their death is not confirmed and there is alot of guessing at this. And then we have Roboute Guilleman who's corpse's wounds are said to be slowly recovering even tough it is kept in a stassis field.

Ulthwe isn't gonna get sacrificed to slaanesh soon. they have alot of seers doing the farsight trick and craftworlds need to be assaulted bysomething as large as a hivefleet to have a chance to fully destroy it destroyed.(actually that chance would be 100% seeing how Kraken almost succeeded in taking down one and that was just a part of it's full fleet)

[Penitent]

Cadia isn't decimated, it is in Imperials hands as is the space surrounding it, a lot of it is in ruins but buildings cab be rebuilt, I imagine there is some semblence of industry left anyway, they have to train all the young cadians to fight, you could argue every person born on cadia has a lasgun and knows how to use it, making it difficult to take cities at all.
Every street has been "cunningly designed by imperial architects" according to codex EoT to make taking them that much harder. Cadia with its population of hundreds of millions of military personnel is one of the most secure places in that sector, even if great destruction ahs been wrought upon it. Cadia should really just be a place where the Imperium can bleed the chaos forces dry.

*Edit: Wow I revived a really old thread, heh.

[The Collector]

Codex EoT has a list of Space Marine Chapters now working for Chaos. I do not count the Heretic Legions.

And yes, the guy that survived the Badab War is now in the maelstrom, totally evil piece of junk.

[SocialSecurity]

As to Tyranids vs Necrons.. HOW exactly, as an organism with absolutely NO warp-related powers, do you destroy a star-god that causes immense damage whenever you destroy his shell and keeps recoagulating the fragments once you do together? Seeing as how the C'tan are planning to separate warp and realspace, and the hivemind is in warp space, the Tyranids are SCREWED. Same for Chaos. Orks need the WAAAGH to make some of their crappy tech work. Therefore, Necrons would slay everything. Then again, they DID conquer the galaxy far faster than the Imperium did, and with 65-million-year-old tech to boot.

[Aquila]

Gah. The answer is YES.