New Miniature Rumours at Portent.net

[Deathwing]

The link below leads to the WH40K rumour section of Portent.net.

There are some Pics of new Miniatures. Space Marine Veterans!!

What do you think about them?

http://www.portent.net/news/2/10


See for yourself and discuss.

I think, they're cool. Especially the one with the big axe. Looks kind of an Emperors Champion.

Something that seems not to fit very well is, that on one model, the Boltgun doesn't have a clip. The Bullets are hanging out of the gun like on Chaos weapons. But that's the only thing I don't like about the new minis.

[Asklepios]

Which model was that ?
They look awesome, I don't want to know what they are going to cost...

[Deathwing]

The Model with the axe is the 3rd pic, the one with the not so well fitting ammo is the one on the last pic, armed with a Bolt pistol and a Mace.

Yup. The price will be higher for them as for normal Marines, I guess. But sadly GW knows, that people who like the Mini, will pay a bit more than usual.

[Dante]

so is it like a vet squad or is it individual vet sargents? remember all those old vet sargents with crazy power weapons? it could be like that...They look awsome tho. Some of the weapons are crazy! (big axe, and some sort of mace or blunt beating weapon...)

And also under those there are some cool models too! like the new Chief Librarian Tigurius of the Ultramarines! he is way less static than before. i love the new termies!!!\

thanks deathwing!

[Deathwing]

Not a big deal. Sharing information is what fans do. :bandit:

If it's going to be a squad or individual models, I don't know. But I guess they will be individual models. This way, more people will buy them. Or maybe one person will buy more blisters. They know how to get our money ***Grumble ***

Keep an eye on this site. It seems that at least some of the rumours will come true ( like the new Termies).

[Thalasion]

Mmmmmmm...... power mace.

[Jono]

Those are some cool looking models! There are a few bits I don't like but it will certianly create some more conversion options. :D

[Ramrod]

AAAAAAHH omg!!! *splurge* those new termies are the sexiest thing EVER!

those battle for macragge marines are retarded. three-piece marines for n00bies. they should keep it the way the rest of us veterans started: with the same models as everyone else.

[rocket_Magnet]

looks nice, i wouldnt be surprised if these are new and upcmoing models, the space marine codex is in the process of being rewritten

[Stormblade]

Well yes RM thet are the up-and-coming veteran squad for the new codex. They've been revealed by GW before at other events apparently but this is the first time someone got a screenshot of them. Looks like they get to pickout wargear individually to me and I wish we could get a better pic of the lightening claw model than just semi-overhead...
::EDIT::
An idea... poaching team! the moment you see new models and the like somewhere else how about you post a topic about it on here? just so everyone knows about them?

[Athair]

New Eldar HQ (mabey)! I hope the Eldar do get a new HQ. The Avatar is supposed to be pumped up to Greater Daemon level too.

[Sir Guppy]

im not sure i like those, the one with the axe looks stupid its much to big, remind me of the horrible horrible slayer models.

[peer]

They all look very nice, except the one with the axe.

[chocolate]

I don't think that 3 piece models are retarded. IT makes them easier to assemble (I'v always had problems with the arms slipping off of half made models). If you want conversinon models, you still have the old ones.

[Athair]

I'd like them to do a 'ball and socket' type thing. So you really don't need glue, and you can possition them however you want. Making single possition models lacks originality.

[Dante]

why dont you go out and buy some legos instead? there are tons of possibilties then! :jk: that would kinduv defeat some of the fun of modeling tho, You have to make choices, like if i make this dreadnought claw pointing down and this one up...then there! it looks like it wants to stab you...Stuff like that. but i would apreciate ball and socket joint like the nids have. those are set but also give you awsome options for poses! for now ill just green stuff and model the lil' lines between the armour plates for space marine...

[Van]

Excellent, a new Tigurius mini. Maybe Marneus Calgar will get a reworking too. He certainly deserves it. Ultramarines are in need of some luv from GW.


Too bad i dont play TT anymore.

[Deathwing]

Would be cool if they make new models for the chapter masters.

I have read in some older threads (don't know which ones) that the Primarchs will return? Has anybody also heard that?

If yes, maybe there will be models of the Primarchs in the future. That would be great.

[Stormblade]

Deathwing the Primarchs are supposed to return for the final battle against Chaos. I think GW want to make money rather than end the game correct? they'll probably make new models for some of the chapter masters...

[Fend]

why do they always have to Re-write the rules when there good as they are :'(!

[Stormblade]

Fend are rules good as they are? if you play with original rules... Rhino rush! Marines win. Other transport rushes as well...
Update rules from all over the place... lots of errattas and loads of confusion...
And most bikes suck in both =/ or at least marine bikes do...
'Nids don't have all that effective medium sized stuff. Hive tyrant usually beats wariors hands down and does more stuff then them. Raveners die way too easy and lack much punch. Genestealers get reamed about as bad as guants and cost way more as well as being slow compared to the rest of the army. The only good things in a 'Nid list are usually monstrous creatures, cheap guants and fast guants.
Guards have useless models like techpriests, sanctioned psykers, priests way overpriced commisars wasteful doctrines...
I don't see the current rules as all that good...
::EDIT:: For some relevance to the thread itself... Veteran marines are pretty much useless. However it looks from the models that GW are making them useful once again :D.

[Dante]

You think that they'll make the new rules for them so they can all have uber weapon upgrades (ie blunt beating weapons...giant ugly axe)? that would be awsome...but then another problem comes up with new codex is that the chapter varients are gonna need new codexes also! Unless they will make 'doctrines" like the Ig codex...

[Asklepios]

Actually, I read that this was precisely what they wanted to implement to facilitate the founding of custom Chapters in the new Codex: something akin to IG doctrines.

[Stormblade]

Yeah their supposed to have a semi-doctrines style thing for the marine codex. Its supposed to be something like you take away from this to gain in that... like lose some speed to get more firepower or something.

[Ramrod]

hehe, athair wants 28mm action figures! :P although that would be cool, it wouldn't be the GW hobby anymore, and half the fun would be gone. i sure as hell wouldn't collect them (this is why prepainted heroclix never interested me).

i want more tau minis. their army, although the unit list is longer than the necron one, is a bit bland and samey. i want a unit that sticks out like a sore thumb (although that would be very untaulike. maybe a mon'tau unit...?)

and stormblade, i think thats the best idea i've ever heard. will finally make the invincible space marines interesting to collect. the vanilla ones without special rules are boring, and the ones with special rules are made uberpowerful, with few weaknesses.

i never collected SM because i always felt they were the easy way out. maybe with this doctrine thing i might consider starting a small SM force.

[Dante]

but with the doctrines there is a chance that the special chapters loose their special rules (like with the catachans, they are just specialized ig now), like death co.!( oh no...i cant play Tt without death co... :argh:

[Deathwing]

Deathwing the Primarchs are supposed to return for the final battle against Chaos. I think GW want to make money rather than end the game correct? they'll probably make new models for some of the chapter masters...

Yes, that's also what I've heard. But as said, I heard rumours about the returning of the primarchs earlier than the final conflict.

And why not making models of the primarchs? Enough people would buy them, even without the possibility to send them to battle. Perhaps some people would buy them to built a battle scene ( is it also called Diorama in english?)

And also it would be fair to make models of the Primarchs, because the model of Leman Russ is already available.

[Stormblade]

If I remember right, the leman russ model was from RT or maybe 2nd edition, they would not fit in with the games now they would just be too powerful and I don't think many people would collect them without being able to play with them. It would be expensive to make whole new minatures which loads of people are unlikely to buy. Having said that I wouldn't mind a model of Corax... and I know a couple of people who would love a model of Sanguinous...

[Deathwing]

To get back to topic:

It seems as if the rumours about the Veterans will come true. Almost forgot: There also will be a new Apothecary.

Check out this Link:

http://www.games-workshop.de/news/previews/Warhammer40k/default.htm

or look at these two images:

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/Image1.jpg

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/image2.jpg

[.Lexx]

ok, that apothecary is way too cool. looks like those vets have access to the armoury(maybe like a 50 point limit or something?) As for the new marine codex... its aparently going to be a "matrix" of doctrinelikeness (i know its not a word). also termis are apparently getting an upgrade from 2+/5+ to 1+/4+ to negate the ap2 weaponry (still fail saves on a one though, and a huge points increase :vikingb: . Oh, and a word on those 3 peice marines.. theyre for noobs who cant glue together 9 pieces of small plastic for thier basic trooper. but yeah, those vets look very cool :werd:

[yetanotherplayer]

Methinks I'll wait until I buy some Termies then. Probably'll be out for the Christmas Rush. I have looked at Veteran Marines in the SM Codex, and they seem like they could be a cheaper alternative to Assault Marines. Don't know about the new Codex, though... *prays army will still work well*

10 man squad of Veteran Marines: Base cost: 180 pts. Ct Sergeant: 12 pts. Terminator Honours for rest of squad: 90 pts.
Total: 282 points, 3 attacks per model.

10 man Terminator Assault Squad: Base Cost: 420 points.
Total: 420 Points, 3 attacks per model.

Now, the Terminators do have power weapons that you can reroll missing hits, but for the price it may be more effective to take along a Dreadnaught and give the Vet. Squad a Rhino, or pack along a Predator.

In my opinion it'd be better to go with a half squad of assault Termies, for those sticky situations. Then, you send them in with your HQ and can still manage fairly large numbers of enemies. My Terminator Librarian has taken out a 10-bike Ork Warbike squad before.

Oops... sorry about that. But if the veteran marines are made even more deadly in the new Codex, it may become a little more economical and effective to take a few Termies and a few Vets. The Vets to keep the odd close combat charge at bay and away from say, a Devastator squad and the Termies to hit the HQ.

But anyways, I LOVE the look of those veterans.

[Di$array]

yeah "battle for macragge", i wonder if that the theme of the 4th edition WH40K you have your space marines and tyranids in the big £40 box set, with rule book, etc.

[yetanotherplayer]

Possible...

But why concentrate on the ULTRAMARINES??? Give the non-standard Chapter players something!!! I just hope that the Heavy Weapons Scouts and Veteran Sergeants aren't Ultramarines only, i.e. big U's modeled onto the shoulderpads, arms and chests.

If so, what're modeling knives for?

If that is the new boxed set, SM and 'Nids, I'd get it. I kind of like Tyranids, and I need more Space Marines.

[Dante]

Well with the advent of the new codex, the ultramarines and all those other "vanilla sapce marines" will be plain no more! new doctrine stuff will allow them to be specialized. Which is good. Also the Ultramarines are getting some pretty nifty units that hunt tyrinids. there are rough designs of a librarians that uses a dead nid and taps into the hive mind, and vet. Nid hunts that have double sided chain swords! hehe they look very cool...

[Di$array]

Well with the advent of the new codex, the ultramarines and all those other "vanilla sapce marines" will be plain no more! new doctrine stuff will allow them to be specialized. Which is good. Also the Ultramarines are getting some pretty nifty units that hunt tyrinids. there are rough designs of a librarians that uses a dead nid and taps into the hive mind, and vet. Nid hunts that have double sided chain swords! hehe they look very cool...

hey Dante where did you get that info ??

[Mr Shadow]

Marines such as Space Wolves and Blood Angels will be standardised but vanilla marines will have access to more variety of upgrade, just without the integral rules of the set chapters.

[Dante]

hey Dante where did you get that info ??

Games day. one mr. phil kelly was kind enuf to explain to a huge group of people what is happening with the new Space Marines. then some other dude...(forgot his name) was explaining the designe process of the figures and showed some people what they wanted to do with the space marines. And also special chapters (ie Blood angels, black templar) will get thier own codexes in the far future (according to Mr. Kelly)

[Di$array]

what a great piece of info, cheers for that :beer:

[KingKupo]

Possible...

But why concentrate on the ULTRAMARINES??? Give the non-standard Chapter players something!!! I just hope that the Heavy Weapons Scouts and Veteran Sergeants aren't Ultramarines only, i.e. big U's modeled onto the shoulderpads, arms and chests.

If so, what're modeling knives for?

If that is the new boxed set, SM and 'Nids, I'd get it. I kind of like Tyranids, and I need more Space Marines.

Ugh, if you used that grey mass that's located in the upper parts of your skull, you'd realize that basic marines can represent any chapter(except grey knights of course.).

from what i read in a Wd is that the battle for Macragge set will actually be a tutorial where new players learn the game playing.

[yetanotherplayer]

I was referring to the specialised Battle for Macragge figures. I thought it was obvious...

And I gave an example.

[Dante]

but those marines dont have the ultramarine sign on them... kupo is right.