Predator vs. Land Raider?

[Elusive Pastry]

Which one is better vs. infantry and armor? I know predator damage is a little higher, but there doesn't seem to be a big difference between the two. Both apparently can have the same number of lascannons and heavy bolters.

Also does anyone use these in lieu of dreadnoughts or whirlwinds?

[Strybjorn]

I usually have one land raider, a couple preds, one whirlwind and the rest dreads.

[fitterbin]

The best part of the land raider is the machine spirit

Depends on the situation and the opponent, but I usually use landraiders and predators moreso than WW and dreads. Of course LR and Preds are a tier higher than the other two.

[ilia1986]

I ignore LRs. Useless unit IMO. Upgraded Preds + dreads is the winning combination.

[fitterbin]

LR using machine spirit is a great meatshield

[ilia1986]

Professional gamers dont need meatshields. They crush everything they encounter on thier way with thier army ;)

[cryomerk]

mmmmmmmmm....meat...

well, i dont usually use preds or LRs... im more of an infantry and dreadnaught type of guy. but IMO, i think LRs are pretty usefull as they are powerfull and provide good fire support aswell as armour.

[FrostPaw]

A good tactic with a Landraider is to load it up with a full unit of terminators with either a commander/Librarian or an apothecary then send it into battle with a few supporting units.

It'll take a few minutes for them to destroy the landraider and just as the enemy sighs seeing it blow apart out pops a full unit and carrys on fighting.

[DunceCap]

A good tactic with a Landraider is to load it up with a full unit of terminators with either a commander/Librarian or an apothecary then send it into battle with a few supporting units.

It'll take a few minutes for them to destroy the landraider and just as the enemy sighs seeing it blow apart out pops a full unit and carrys on fighting.

A full unit of terminators cannot fit into a LR, you can only fit 5 and that's not a full unit, you can get a terminator squad to 8 members with full reinforcements and I doubt that will fit in a LR without popping a few rivets :)

[FrostPaw]

Clearly duncecap you live up to your name. Only an ignorant idiot would tell me I'm wrong without even having the common sense to try it in the game first. Why even bother posting such useless uninformed crap?

[Erasmus_Tycho]

You can fit a full unit of Terms into the LR in DoW, although unfortunately you can't do so in the Table Top game, which I am sure is where he drew his conclusion from. And if not, then, well, he does live up to his name :D

[Dedalus]

landraiders draw a lot of attention. so if you deploy 1 LR and loads of dreads/marines, you can get your LR to draw a lot of the fire and encircle the enemy with your smaller troops.

pred is good, just can't take as much of a pounding as a landraider.

[DunceCap]

Clearly duncecap you live up to your name. Only an ignorant idiot would tell me I'm wrong without even having the common sense to try it in the game first. Why even bother posting such useless uninformed crap?

Why thank you, did I insult or flame you in any way with my posting????

I have not yet tried it in game, I went on experience from the tabletop game and from what I read online ( http://wh40k.mednickonline.com/modules.php?name=Units a website reccomended in the official readme file) about DoW and from what I heard only 5 will fit even in DoW.
So I guess they taken some real liberties from the original GW rules.

So am I getting this right, you can fit 8 termies PLUS a Leader unit ie. 9 "large" guys. Or am I missing something here, is it limited to only Librarian or can you stick a Force-Commander in there with the 8 termies?

[FrostPaw]

You havn't even played the game, I've been playing since the beginning of closed beta and you decided you could tell me I was wrong on something in the game. You have never even played the game for christ sake why are you telling people they are wrong on game tactics?

You still can't see why I think youre an idiot?

Why on earth would anybody who hasn't played the game start telling people how the game works? Thats just plain ignorant I really don't care if youre offended you deserve to be.

This forum is about the computer game it's not about the Tabletop game.

Too many people here think they know enough to speak about things they have not the slightest clue that's what annoys me.

[DunceCap]

You havn't even played the game, I've been playing since the beginning of closed beta and you decided you could tell me I was wrong on something in the game. You have never even played the game for christ sake why are you telling people they are wrong on game tactics?

You still can't see why I think youre an idiot?

Why on earth would anybody who hasn't played the game start telling people how the game works? Thats just plain ignorant I really don't care if youre offended you deserve to be.

This forum is about the computer game it's not about the Tabletop game.

Too many people here think they know enough to speak about things they have not the slightest clue that's what annoys me.

Seriously, who is doing the insulting here??

I never said I hadn't played the game, I just said I hadn't tried that exact maneuver yet (IE. stuffing Terminators into a Landraider)
In part because on MY computer I can neither join or start multiplayer games and the tutorial stutters to a standstill after about 10 minutes play, not much time to try out anything with high or midlevel units is there?

Only time I have gotten anywhere in the game was on my wife's computer and my access to that one is limited.

And do you expect me to bow down and worship you because you where in closed beta? Grow up will you..

[Alpha_1]

DunceCap just change monikers with FrostPaw,

He is obviously the one more deserving of the name.

FrostPaw, you need to back off junior, take a chill pill, he said he read the info on an official site supposedly in the know about the game. For that matter this is a beta and it may come to pass that the landraider is limited to the tabletop's level of hold capacity. It makes no difference how long you have been in the beta either, you are not the one making final decisions on how the game develops so you may as well reign in your ego now.

[FrostPaw]

You two should go play games together.

It amazes me you defend somebody who gives false information he didn't originally say he'd never tried it he just dismissed my suggestion of a valid tactic until after I told him he was wrong. He didn't say "I'm not sure but...." or "I havn't tried it but I've read...." NO he said "A full unit of terminators cannot fit into a LR, you can only fit 5 and that's not a full unit"

The general way these beta boards work is you play the game then form an opinion based on experience then give it, if you need to ask about something then you do. Posting innacurate information dosn't help anybody. If you havn't tried something who are you to say it dosn't work? Really you should educate yourself on the game before posting like you know what you are talking about.

Terminators like marines can be assigned a single transport the size of the unit is irrelevent the transport can carry a single unit that is where the game logic comes around.

By the way the closed testers made the suggestions that helped shape the game you are playing now. Actually the length of time spent playing the game does make a difference, I mean the reason they have a closed beta is to polish the game more before the open testers get to try it. If what the closed testers said wasn't important they wouldn't bother having a closed beta they would just leave it open.

"Junior" dear dear....how condescending from a 38yr old too. You want to self appoint yourself defender of the ignorant go ahead but don't speak to me like you think you are my better.

[SilentBotts]

Why are you always fighting? :fight:
Can't you see that your tearing this family apart? :weep:

[Mr Orc]

I think you will find the whole point of the closed beta was to eliminate all major bugs. e.g the ones that make the game crash or greatly unbalance the game.

And i would not say that those on the closed beta shaped the game that every one is playing now.

[RedKiller]

Land Raider are by far the better choice against vehicles. They dont have much more health, but they take damage MUCH better. The armor (a value not shown) is much higher and it takes a lot of punishment, even more with machine spirit!

I always try to get two, because they take a hell of a beating and kill vehicles faster than anything else.

Predators are quite good against infantry, but take more time and ressource to be effective against vehicles.

Just as example. One land raider destroyed 2 fire prisms and had more than 50% health left. Two predators (without upgrades) lost to 2 prisms, destroying only one.

[jarlelin]

Just to get this clear. One fully upgraded predator, with one dual-linked lascannon nosemounted, and one regular lascannon on each sidemount, gets pounded by a single landraider. Testet it a few times and the landraider is pretty superiour.

Now remember that all the upgrades you make to the predator takes firepower away from anti-infantry and into anti-tank, and with all the upgrades the predator is somewhat more expensive than the landraider, and still can't transport, I would go for the landraider 9 times out of 10 if I needed an anti-tank tank.

The predator is the better choice vs infantry though. That is, it is the better choice between the two, it would rarely be the best choice if you didnt necessarily need a tank for you situation.

J Li

[Manhammer]

RedKiller, that is because the Predator is an anti-infantry tank before you give it lascannons (an upgrade that makes it cut through vehicles like a hot knife through butter)

Bah, beat me to it :p

[WorldBurner]

It amazes me you defend somebody who gives false information

Well, info he had gotten from an official source. Which for all intents and purposes means it should be true. Apparently, due to an oversight or something similar, this information was proven wrong. No reason to start flaming him. Just give a "I've done it, so apparently it's like this" form of answer instead of calling him an idiot. And being in a closed beta gives you no right to be a jerk. It just makes you l337 ^_^

[gimpfarfar]

No...being in closed beta only proves that you're foolish enough to actually PAY to download stuff from fileplanet :P

(Since the closed beta was for paying subscribers only, right?)

[WorldBurner]

Not sure about that. Maybe it was like the open beta, but without an announcement ^_^

Still, they oughta open classicfileplanet.com and label it as a fan-site ^___^

[Alpha_1]

I can say landraiders are to be feared. Having lost to just 2 of them (well massive marine squads but just 2 LRs), I know I can't let a Marine player get to them if I want to live long. Those damn things are powerful and tough.

FrostPaw,

If you had been more considerate in your reply to DunceCap and just pointed out your experience rather than foamed at the mouth like a rabid weasel, no responce would have been made. Perhaps you should learn a little restraint when correcting someones error or lack of knowledge. That is how your opinion is respected by your fellow posters, not by flaming new arrivals.

Live and learn, BTW I used the term junior because your responce was like that of a 15 y/o Counter Strike haxor voice spammer. Actting like an adult gets you treated like one, especially online.

[Erasmus_Tycho]

I'd have to say, that things did get a little outta hand there, I dunno, LR's and Pred's, I like LR's better, but I can field more predators (2 LR's for 3 Preds) LR's are cheaper in the long run than Predators are (gotta upgrade them three times to get the same tank busting capability as a Land Raider.) but Pred's are easier to get, and it's easier to pay more in small chunks than a lot in one.

It really also depends on the fight or style of fight I am taking to my enemy. when I do a slow build up, and inch forward, I use LR's as my front-line tank, and repair with my servitors as I inch forward.

When I TP Full Termie squads and drop Dreadies, I use predators as they move faster and can cover the ground to the enemy base quicker.

Each of the two Tanks has it's own strenghts and weaknesses that can be used in the right situations, as it seems to be the way with all the units in this game.

[Transition]

I admit Frostpaw jumped the gun a bit but DunceCap should have admitted to not playing the game several posts back and in doing so errodes his position even further and comes off as a complete troll. Your troll award is being now added to the ignore this user list and the first to be added.

Constructive thoughts help a lot in fostering conversation, insighting flames from others only gets you ignored.

[Patch]

Seriously, who ever bothers to transport stuff anyway?

[SiphonBox]

as was mentioned, dont forget that LR is a transport for a reason...to either transport mechanics or infantry. Infantry that cant jump or teleport on their own is useful for packing inside then using machine spirit to move towards the back lines of the enemy, the unpack and pincor your opponent, works wonders on the unsuspecting enemy (the enemy that clicks his whole army, clicks A + your base and goes away to take a leak or something). otherwise, I cant find a good use for the LR except that it packs more punch than an unupgraded predator, so if you need something fast to defend your base, get a LR, but when assaulting, predator is the better choice, deffinately

[BrianGeneral]

Somehow LR's and P's are useless.Dreaddy rules:D

[Firecrak]

you CAN fit a full squad of termies into a LR, thats what it says on the damn description, you just need to reinforce BEFORE you load them. Also I have heard, but not tested, the fact that a fully upgraded LR can fire all 3 guns at once on the same target, or at the same time at least, where as a pred can fire main gun + MAYBE a side gun if it chooses, but usually only main gun.

[Garibaldi]

Well actually you can bring a Predator Annihilator (the upgraded one) to fire more than one LasCannon. It's constantly keeping him moving, then he'll fire Main gun and one side mounted at the target, tested it on an Eldar Avatar.

Up to date i've prefered the Predators, upgraded, to one Land Raider. But they are indeed more expensive. I would call that a little mismatch.
As to the question who uses Transporters:
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You can ship Tacticals through a Whirlwind barrage as long as you have no orbital relays. Afterwards a concentrated Drop makes em rather superfluous.

oh and an afterthought:
If I had had Rhino transports early in my last game, my Tacticals would have been in time to save my ally on the left flank from being swamped by scouts, being myself on the right flank.

err, i said early, didn't I?
really early.
Oh well, point is you can move your fire support much more faster to combat areas.

[ilia1986]

If Transports and LRs and Vypers were 1 support cap, Im sure ppl would use them a whole lot more often.

[RedKiller]

Somehow LR's and P's are useless.Dreaddy rules:D
Dreadnoughts rule against any infantry, yeah. Pretty much wipe the floor with them. But they suck hardcore against any other vehicle. Even with their anti-vehicle upgrade and their 3000+ health they dont hold up against other vehicles very long. It seems their (internal) armor value is much lower than the predator's or even a land raider's.

Try a land raider and watch what kind of punishment it takes. Amazing.


you CAN fit a full squad of termies into a LR, thats what it says on the damn description, you just need to reinforce BEFORE you load them. Also I have heard, but not tested, the fact that a fully upgraded LR can fire all 3 guns at once on the same target, or at the same time at least, where as a pred can fire main gun + MAYBE a side gun if it chooses, but usually only main gun.
All tanks turn themselves toward their main target and fire all guns (main gun and turrets at the side). But once engaged in close combat they usually only fire their main gun.

Double Post


Up to date i've prefered the Predators, upgraded, to one Land Raider. But they are indeed more expensive. I would call that a little mismatch.
Use Land Raiders, they take much more punishment than predators and come with more firepower against vehicles than predators. If you upgrade predators with laser cannons you pay much more time and ressources/energy than simply buy a land raider.

[FrostPaw]

If Transports and LRs and Vypers were 1 support cap, Im sure ppl would use them a whole lot more often.

Youre right, If Landraiders only cost 1 Support slot I'd use 20 and never bother building anything else :p Don't think that really solves the issue without creating a much larger one though.

[Erasmus_Tycho]

Frostpaw, I think he was referring to the Rhino and the other transport tanks, and the Landspeeders and Vypers ;) not the LR which is a mobile weapons platform with transport capabilities.

LR does not = Transport ;)

Rhino = Transport :p