Sensi or Star Child

[DarthFelth]

right which do you think is gona be the way the emperor would come back and why.

For me its the sensi idea, the star child idea just dosnt sit right with me, i mean this whole being reborn thing dosnt work for me, it would if in fluff about the emperor it didnt say how the fact in him coming to be was more to do with the fact that the shamans of old were losing the abilty to be reborn, how they formed into one super soul so they could always protect against chaos, so their knowledge wasnt lost forever. To me i dont see how being a supersoul is gona change the fact they couldnt be reborn. I mean if you tried to power something with 1 dead battery it isnt gona work, if you add anouther 10 wot difference is it gona make really.

Anouther thing why be born into and a never aging body, why? i mean if they could be reborn it wouldnt be required, then you have while the emperors spirit is in the warp, how chaos is searching for it, ok so your floating in the warp right, times running out, you have the abilty to be reborn would you wait to be found or would get you butt in gear and get yourself a new body.

Then now lets say that he wa reborn, how many psyhics are suddenly gona be door ways to daemons, sure witch hunters might fight them back but how do you think they are gona react to a really strong psyhic being teh way the imperium now, you really think they ar even gona know hes the emperor and start cheering
"YAY our emperor has copme back to save us"
ermi doubt it, i really think they are just gona try and kill him to be on the safe side, could you blmae them really.

Wot about warp travel, weres the emperors life that allows for warp travel to be safe?

Just a few points, anyone else have any ideas?

[MacBeth]

the sensi idea is a home cooked plan by guys who fear that the emperor is faltering,they also know of the star child and wait for him,but as I said there gettin a little worried about this.so they keep it from everyone,even the emperor.
and why question what the emperor can do?he could proably be reborn it just takes along time,unlike the shamans,maybe he gained a power that the shamans thought he couldnt,remeber theres not that much fluff on either of these topics,they think that the sensi will save them and the emperor but they just think this,but they know that the star child is around.

and if and when the star child is around he will proably grow up fast and the Illumintai will proably get to him first.
and plus I think people can feel his devine presence and tell who he is,Im sure many chapters could tell who he is.
and plus the emperor would probably sway them with his words and convice them who he is,it cant be too hard for him.

[DarthFelth]

they can feel, well it didnt take a long time for the shammans to form into one and be born so i doubt that this process would take longer, if anything it would be easier, after all when they were reobrn they were as powerful cos they were him so no difference at all, yet again why would it be quicker as far as we know it wasnt quick the first time or people might ahve thought something was up, yet again he managed to hid from the real world how many years before he decided to take power, i dont think he could ahve if people could feel his presece ;) u could sat the star child is something cooked to keep people happy because the sensi i dea is alot more hidden, Also they know, if they knew that they wouldnt have cooked up the idea in the first place. so basicly everything upi said could be applied to what you said about the star child really, not word for word :p

[MacBeth]

remeber when russ and the emperor firsts met,everyone thought he was just a wanderer,it said his divine aura was concelled and that his towering phyique was cloaked by runes of disguise and confusion. whos to say he didnt do this threw his many years on earth,
and seeing as the emperor is the most powerful thing in the universe it may take longer to be reborn than the shamans,for he was twice the power all of them were.
and you keep saying that the shamans lost there power to be reborn,that is true,but think that since he is all the shamans power he may of gained a small amount of being reborn from some of the shamans. we really cant know until GW tells us.
I prefer the star child idea over killin the sensi.

and since the primarchs grew up fast I think the emperor can too,and since he was born during BC people could of thought he was a god's child and you dont kill the child of a god.
and seeing as chaos cant find the emperor in the warp or before he was born the first time I doubt they could find him this time.

[DarthFelth]

right you say it might take him along time to be reborn, ok, it didnt take this long for him to be reborn, how come it didnt last time, rememberthe year he was born in, its the same soul, it didnt take him thi long the first time and for him to be reborn the shamans had to merge, i can say it didnt take this long because if it did the shamans would ahve been about before the dinosaurs ;)

The primachs were designed to grow that fast, he isnt designed remember, and no they cant, i think thats more to do with the goldern throne as he couldnt hide the Primachs from them.

I wasnt on about in them times, im on about the present timeline of 40k, cos then maybe, but im not on about as a child, more a young man, he would still have to learn certain things again id imagine, perhaps the degree of control he has over his powers now, this isnt fact, but possible. Just remember in 40k wot any strong psyhic would represent, a strong doorway for daemons, i dont know wether this aura is more tech or more cos he is, i cant say, but it could very well be tech like a iron halo, you have to admit it could be, im not saying it is, but could be, i dont think the idea of a star child is bad bt i think the whole being reborn is dodgy, im not saying i know, but im saying on wot GW has said, the whole reason for him forming the supersoul might suggest he cant be reborn, well to me, the star child is a nicer idea, but then again, looking at how dark th fluff of 40k is, it does seem to clean, 40k is never that clean

[Trickv2/BjornT]

in regards to the Emperors power, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts

[DarthFelth]

dosnt mean he can be reborn, well it didnt take this long last time, he was just as powerful ;) he would ahve to be or he wouldnt be the same guy ;)

[Paradise]

I find the Starchild idea crappy, at best. I'm very fond of space marines(I play Space Wolves and Grey Knights), but a lot of the fluff just makes me want to puke. May the emperor die a terrible death.

[Col_Gaunt]

The sensei, well are they actually salvation or are they some inquisitors cooked up story to gain power 'look look, if we want to save the imperium, you've gotta let us do whatever we want' kinda thing.

the star child, well i dont know much about this(where can i find the fluff on it?)
but as for it convincing everyone its the emperor dont know how that woudl be recieved, in the Gaunts Ghosts novels Saint Sabbat came back did some miracles if i remeber correctly and convinced people, reborn emperor could do that or hell return withthe remaining primarchs as proof to who he is

[Grendel Rose]

Frankly I wonder about both of those option. I mean at this point the emperors psychic essence is held by such a thin string to his body that it would be immnesly hard for him to be reborn in any real manner. Mind you though their are many in the Inquisition who beleive it would be possible to revive him in his current body,a nd others who think that would be blashphemie. It's all damn confusing.

[DarthFelth]

erm, the sensi isnt that, its nothing to do with anything offical, infact the people involved dont even know the master plan, infact they ahve no idea about being chucked into the goldern throne, perhaps u need to re-read it.

As for the rebirth, right so people ant gona fear pyshics while hes being born and not protecting everyone, you know wot will they become door ways to daemons. Then again you could say that the star child is just a just a kids betime story thats got blown way out proption :p

[Grendel Rose]

Yeah I wasn't really commenting on either the sensei or the starchild because I'm not hugly fond of either theory. I tend to confine things to the how the Inquisition and to a lesser extent the illuminati would like things to work.

[MacBeth]

maybe he's waiting for something,biding his time.
maybe when some of the priamarchs come back.
I really dont know about it.maybe he was hurt so badly that his powers arent what they were when he was walking.
maybe he has to wake up first.
or he's looking for a body that could hold his power.

[DarthFelth]

hmm, i dont think it matters considering they came back from the dead ;)

[Coey]

There needs to be a dire need for a saviour for humanity for him to come back, which he will. And the Emperor techically isn't dead, physically or his soul. And I agree, they will be sceptical about him, but he is the Emperor, one of the most powerfull pyskers in the galaxy, he should be able to show them who he really is and why he has come. And other pyskers will probably see his aura if he wills it, or sense him. And if a deamon tries to enter him they would die, he is a being or purity, a Deamon would die trying.

And the Chaos gods can't find the Star Child, it's in a place where they can't go, even if they did find it they would have a hard time killing it.

[DarthFelth]

i never said a daemon would try and enter him, im saying that while hes gona, being reborn daemons will use other pyskers to enter the world, people will fear any psyker that appears cos he isnt gona grow up quick, he isnt a primach who was designe that way, as for chaos not being able to destroy the star child, if that was the case he wouldnt be hiding ;)

Do people need him, erm yes, they will always need him, he would do alot better being fully alive that trying to use his body like a puppet as it say only a small part if his body still lives and thats whot give him a connection to the real world, teh fact is that is has been way to long, way to long, i mean in all the time he ahs been about was he needed as much as now, no, yet he dosnt come, he just hides in teh warp and acts as a puppet master, people tell of this magical event that will happen when he is reborn and destroy the chaos gods, that i really doubt, its way to clean for 40k, the sensi idea is even more likly cos it isnt clean and would prolly make him stronger, how would sitting in the warp all this time amke him stronger i mean he could have recreated the dead primachs in teh time hes been wasting in the warp, yes wasting, it says how hes starting to lose his mind ,well when that started dont yay think it would ahve been a good idea to be reborn so by the time he is "needed" he isnt totaly insaine and use to anyone.

my closing note is, starchild idea dosnt add up

[Coey]

His soul has joined with the good side of the warp itself, he doesn't know what he's doing probably, when enough people need a saviour he'll notice and go "ah!" and come back somehow. It's 40K, it'll happen.

[DarthFelth]

so they dont need one now then, ohh i seee, thats right, if he dosnt know now, just after a huge chaos invasion, the return of the wolf kinf, necrons actually setting their alarm clocks, wot is it gona take, horus being reborn and unplugging the goldern throne after killing everyone on earth, hmm

[Greeny]

I thought the High lords were keeping his body alive in the Throne preventing him from finding a new host?

[Coey]

so they dont need one now then, ohh i seee, thats right, if he dosnt know now, just after a huge chaos invasion, the return of the wolf kinf, necrons actually setting their alarm clocks, wot is it gona take, horus being reborn and unplugging the goldern throne after killing everyone on earth, hmm


Yes.

[DarthFelth]

lol thats so lame coey that really is, so who designed the goldern throne then ;) anyways dont yay think it might be abit late then

[Coey]

The Emperor when he was able too told them how to make it.

And it will take Horus or someone of a similar power to come for the Emperor to notice it's presence in the warp and go "Ah balls!, Time to get horribly maimed again" and come back and layeth the smack down.

[DarthFelth]

ok so why did he want the goldern throne built which is "stopping" him from being reborn, i mean if he could be reborn he could of just told the primach that he shall be born again into anouther body, i mean wouldnt that make alot more sense?

[Coey]

He was dying, he wasn't immortal anymore. The fight with Horus weakened him severly, both in the flesh and his soul.

And maybe he doesn't know he can be reborn.

[DarthFelth]

but you saying that he can be reborn, wouldnt the all knowing all powerful emperor know wether he could or not?

[Greeny]

We need him for warp travel, all other ways are too slow. Don't forget we just came out of a war with horus, thousands of worlds were still being fought over, or needed supplies or equipment to rebuild. All of which must be brought via ships travelling through the warp.

[Coey]

He maybe doesn't, but there hasn't been a need for him to come back yet, nothing like the Heresy has happened since the Heresy, only when a saviour is needed will he come back, it strengthens his soul and gives him pupose, or something like that. It's like a psyhic bucket of cold water, if you will.

[DarthFelth]

dude, he is needed, he will always be needed, and anytime he was to be reborn, we would lose warp travel which i ahve alrady said, would it not be better to lose that before rather than during a time like that?

so now he isnt all seeing and all knowing, so he when he was lots of shamans he knew he wouldnt be able to, but now hes one, he isnt sure, so why wait till i time when we are at war when gods like khorne will be even more powerful, i mean a large war, why wait and risk it?

[Greeny]

He is locked into the Throne, he cannot leave that shriveled husk of a body until the throne stops feeding that faint spark of life. The high lords won't end him because IF he is reborn
they will lose warp travel which is unnacceptable for a mere theory, but personally i think they're more scared of losing their power, they are corrupt. Thousands of battles are being fought and still they fight between eachother, they've made a mess of his Empire, and if the Emperor does return he'll probablyu hang them for high treason :banned:

[DarthFelth]

the emperor asked them to build the damn thing, so thats anouther kinda problem, he designed it, he wanted to be put into it, i see alot of different answers that go against each other, one hand, ohh maybe he cant, then oh he dont want to, oh he isnt needed yet, he come back when hes ready then, ohh he cant leave.

Actually he could order them to turn it off, he can still speak, he can still move his hands, fair enough not with ease, so u think the high lords would actually refuse to turn it off, they fear him, he says jump you say how high ;)

[Coey]

There are only very few cells left alive in his body, he can't talk.

[DarthFelth]

yeah he can, he is the only person that can give it the ok for the creation of a space marine chaptor ;)

[Greeny]

I don't believe he's spoken for quite some time.... maybe someone can correct me on this.

[Coey]

The life support unit known as the Golden Throne was quickly built to encase the Emperor. His powers survived, but his body was shattered. At first he was able to communicate semi-coherently for brief periods, later he lapsed into complete silence. That silence has remained undisturbed now for almost ten thousand years.

He can't tell anyone anything. ;)

[Sarcastic Jedi]

It's not like the High Lords of Terra would just stop making space marine chapters they could just say the Emporer spoke.

[Greeny]

Exactly, thank you both of you :beer:

[DarthFelth]

The Golden Throne
The fight with Horus was waged both in the material universe and in the warp, their bodies and their spirits battling for survival. The Emperor's body was all but destroyed, and his psychic powers were also dealt a severe blow. The forces of Chaos melted away. Some of those not too long in the service of Chaos were suddenly free from its illusions and quickly switched sides, fighting with all the more vigour in their attempts to make amends for their treachery. The Emperor's body was hastily returned to Earth and placed in a life preserving bubble.

The life support unit known as the Golden Throne was quickly built to encase the Emperor. His powers survived, but his body was shattered. At first he was able to communicate semi-coherently for brief periods, later he lapsed into complete silence. That silence has remained undisturbed now for almost ten thousand years.

Released from his body, the Emperor's psychic power, his soul, was cast adrift upon the tides of the warp, to be carried on the random undercurrents and eddies of the Sea of Souls until such time as it was ready to be reborn. Although the Powers of Chaos hunted tirelessly through the warp for the Emperor's soul they could not find it. The warp is huge, and its energies dispersed and flowing. Like the shamans of old, the Emperor was at one with the whole warp, so his soul melted easily into it and so remained hidden from the Chaos Powers.

Although the Emperor was dead by an ordinary understanding of the word, while some of his cells still lived they provided a link through which his spirit could communicate with the material universe. While his body was relatively fresh it could be animated, and was even to speak a little. Thanks to this the Emperor was able to supervise the construction of a special psychic life support machine called the Golden Throne.

well i made abit of mistake, then again atleast its the only one i have made ;) \ anyways it dont say when he stopped talking :p amd im damn sure only the emperor can give teh word for the creation of more chaptors

:smash: :smash: :smash:

anyways so back onto how the star child is the more correct fluff cos you say so, you have anything to add other than

"its alo more pretty and nice than the seni idea"

im still waiting ;)

[Athair]

http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp/sensei.shtml
Nice Critalhit info on both subjects

GW will probably read this and make both correct... :D

[DarthFelth]

lol dont be using my links you :P

anyways i wouldnt listen to gamesworkshop, i mean christ anyone that made the squats and killed them the way they did should be shoot

(for both, the creation and the lame ending :p)