Who thinks roughriders should be taken out of the IG army list?

[CanadianGaurd]

I'm sorry, but a horse cavalry fighting along side futuristic army men just looks dumb. Okay, so maybe the IG are'nt suppose to be the most hi-tech force in the imperium but with the vehicles they have they don't NEED horses!

I say GW should replace roughriders with Stormtroopers on dirtbikes! These bikes would look light enough for Stormtroopers to deepstrike with out of a dropship. I know for a fact that U.S. Army Rangers and Delta Force use dirtbikes, and can even parachute out of planes while riding them! So this would'nt be unrealistic at all.

[CommisarJagnsi]

BAH! I love my Rough Riders. Anyways, how does melee in a future make any sense? I know I would shoot them before melee any day of the week. So you might as well let people charge with explosive lances and bio enginnered horses if they wish.

[JediNeophyte]

Some are alright, like the Death Riders of Krieg. But I agree, the generic Codex:Imperial Guard Rough Riders should bite the dust. The only Fast Attack I have any real interest in using is my Hellhound.

[panfist]

Warhammer 40k is full of anachronisms, some of which make sense and some don't. I think it adds to the appeal of the game as a whole. I kinda like the rough riders.

One thing that illustrates how little sense this game makes is that generic troops like imperial guardsmen can kill space marines in HTH combat. Imagine a hockey player in full gear, facing off against three warhammer geeks. The only way the geeks would be able to hurt him is bending his limbs in ways they shouldn't go, and that's assuming they have the strength to overwhelm him, which they probably don't. Space Marines are probably proportionately stronger to a guardsman than you or I would be to a pro hockey player (they ARE superhuman), and I'm sure power armor provides better protection than plastic and foam shoulder pads. If power armor is as great as the fluff makes it out to be, I doubt any normal physical attack would do much. So just play the game and don't pay attention to how realistic it is.

[Thalasion]

I like the roughriders and would hate to see them go, but i think they should have the choice of horses or bikes.

[No Surrender]

Horse Cavalry was used widely and to great effect by the Russians in WWII (which the IG is modeled after in alot of ways).

There are advantages to horses being that your average 30 ton tank makes a hell of alot more noise than a horse. Horses get stuck less easily in bad terrain and can go almost anywhere infantry can go. Also, calvalry is flexible in that the riders can dismount and act as regular infantry when the situation dicatates it (not in 40K though) and lastly, grass is alot easier to find than petrol if you're cut off from supplies enabling them to conduct independant operations behind enemy lines.

[Jorghan]

The armies of 40k are kind of futuristic low-tech armies. They have some stuff that is better than what we have today, and some stuff that are actually worse.

I think the rough riders are cool, and that's all that matters, so they should stay.

[Thimn_Witt]

The roughriders are a great unit and they make perfect sense to have in the guard army.

They move faster then infantry so they could ride up ahead and scout and come back, and it offers a vast array of tactical choices (charging, fleeing, tank hunting, flanking) that is hard for a normal infantry squad to do.

Having calvary in the 40k universe is also common. In the Guants Ghost's book Straight Silver there was a imperial regiment that rode into battle on something akin to a Emu.

[ThirdDanScoota]

They need SOME kind of hard-hitting infantry, c'mon. I love those lances, and i'm sure marines dont. The reason they are there is because all of their really hard stuff is in their vehicles, and they need something to balance that a bit. The Rough Riders do that, making them a fast, combat option that packs a hell of a punch first charge. I do admit that i dont like the horses much... But i'm more of a marine player, Chaos or loyalist, but in saying that, i HATE the way Plague-marines look, all bloated and the like. The Rough Riders, should be kept.

[Ramrod]

rough riders own.

but i agree with thalasion. i wish they could pick from bikes or even xeno mounts like in Chapter Approved's creature feature last month, other than simply horses.

they've removed all the usless units with each new edition. if a unit is in the new codex its because it serves a purpose.

[Civik]

So why not build the models riding bikes?

roughriders make sense in a world which isn't quite as technologically adept. Which you can create using the latest guard codex.

[Sir Guppy]

i think they should stay. they are their for a themed army list. in world war 1 armies were still using calavary (well until they got slaughtered by trench warfare) but what im saying is that they serve a purpose, but hardly anyone takes them because they die so easily. i mean you could field an attilan rough rider army. everyone is mounted. you could say the mounted men are the calvary elites of the attilian society, while the footsloggers are poor dudes who dont have horses. i think they should stay.

[CanadianGaurd]

Man, thouse Attilian riders - such an eye sore! They just don't look good next to cadians.

[CommisarJagnsi]

Man, thouse Attilian riders - such an eye sore! They just don't look good next to cadians.

Because Atillian riders are like 10 years older then Cadians...

[Ramrod]

civik, at one point i was aiming to, but the cost of building my own converted bikes from specific bitz would have brought it up to more than the price of a leman russ tank for 5 rough riders.

definitely not worth the effort. i would rather cadian rough riders on bikes, catachan ones on xenos, and krieg ones on cyber-horses. i would buy that.

[Sir Guppy]

Man, thouse Attilian riders - such an eye sore! They just don't look good next to cadians.

so you can say the same of any other guard army incl. the catachans. the cadians put them all to shame. also cadians are as tall or taller than SM.

[Asklepios]

RoughRiders rule :)

I especially like them in the new Epic:Armageddon, as I can deploy all my IG Bikes and SQUAT Bike and Trike Guilds as Roughriders :D
This fully captures the Roughrider spirit in my opinion, the abovementioned variations, especially the bike one (why not even make them trikes ? :D) should all be implemented to improve the Roughriders in 40K :)

[No Surrender]

As for why horses are used instead of bikes: It is possible to steer a horse without using your arms. It's a bit more difficult with a bike.