Define "dying race" ?

[Icarus]

I've never heard an exact definition of how the Eldar are a "dying race". It is repeatedly mentioned how they have been dying since the fall, but i would like to know exactly how.

Is it simply that they are dying in the sense of more dying than being born since the great fall? Or that there simply can be no more eldar, they are a dwindling finite number? I always assumed it was the latter, that there could be no new eldar souls could come into existence since the birth of Slaanesh.

Or is it something else?

[TS_ahriman]

Is it simply that they are dying in the sense of more dying than being born since the great fall?

Bingo.

[Dalveldrin]

I always took it as a matter of perspective. They used to own the galaxy and were all powerful... now... not so much. They are little in numbers.

[Abyss]

Well...Eldar was once a great race we all know tat, they wanted perfection and had a better brain then humans so they can express things better then us, they wanted everything soo perfect they began forming cults and lust started to overcome them, soon they started to become insane, while this was happening Slaneesh was sleeping, when all the eldars began dieng the way they wanted perfection was soo strong that awoke Slaneesh, soon he came and started devouring souls of Eldar, then Khaine went to war with..it he was defeated, soon the Eldar was in such a disarray that small groups of Eldar still sane fled away on Craftworlds. The goal for Eldar is that once they all die they will form in the Infinity Matrix and band into one power and overthrow Slaneesh This is wat i think happened please correct me if im wrong

[Kaptin Zed]

The Eldar reproduction cycle is so slow and well-controlled that they cannot produce offspring fast enough to replace their dwindling numbers (due to nigh constant war).

This doesn't mean there are "few". The Craftworlds could still very well hold billions of Eldar apiece. It's just they are gradually losing population.

[Sarcastic Jedi]

Eldar are an arrogent race just like humans, only humans can actually lay claim to the galaxy. The eldar can't.

[Abyss]

Eldar can still fight to the death and never give up :D

[Coey]

The Eldar will go out with a wimper, not a bang, that;s for sure.

[Icarus]

Thanks for answering my question :beer:

On a gloomy note: imagine how bad it would be to be the last ever Eldar.

[Spazhazzard]

Have any of you read about the Rhana Dandra? Its the final battle against Chaos where all Eldar will unite and the Phoenix Lords will lead them to battle. All the Phoenix Lords are prophesised to die in this battle along with the entire race (from what I understand anyway). So much for not going out with a bang.

[BRAINoff]

the rhana dandra is not only the final fight between chaos and eldar. the Rhana Dandra will be the final fight between all the material universe and the Warp, where everything will be annihilated. Fuagan will be the last living entity to fall. after that all the eldar souls will unite into one being called Ynnead. the god of death. and he will lead the new eldar race into their old glory...

weird :D

[Spazhazzard]

ok, looks like I only got half the stick again.....

[-_Phoenix_-]

the rhana dandra is not only the final fight between chaos and eldar. the Rhana Dandra will be the final fight between all the material universe and the Warp, where everything will be annihilated. Fuagan will be the last living entity to fall. after that all the eldar souls will unite into one being called Ynnead. the god of death. and he will lead the new eldar race into their old glory...
Rhana Dandra, the Wolf Time or whatever you want to call it, is the last final battle between Chaos and pretty much everything else, where all sorts of prophecied things including practically every other primach crawling out of the woodwork and every Eldar Phoenix Lord showing up is supposed to happen.

Will Chaos rein supreme in the Universe or will it finally be beaten back into the warp from whence it came ? That is what will be decided.

Onto corrections :) Fuegan will be the last Phoenix Lord to fall, not the last living entity, hence it follows not matter who wins, all the Phoenix Lords will die. I apreciate you might have your entire little idea about Ynnead BRAINoff, but TBH we don't know much about it really. Lots of stuff flying around the net, not actually much but a couple of lines in the Eldar codex actually in print. The upshot is there appears to be the possibilty of a new Eldar god being created called Ynnead...and thats about it. We don't know how, when, where or why. Anything else is pure conjecture.

[Coey]

But compared to what all of the SM can do against Chaos, the Eldar's part will be a footnote. Because the Eldar will presummably only want to fight Slaanesh, then every other god, while the SM will be kicking the shit outta the other 3's legions.

[-_Phoenix_-]

Roughly speaking, theres 1,000,000 Space Marines.

Now, i'm going to be delibrately conservative. Theres 5 named Craftworlds. I'll guess each craftworld carries around 2,000,000 Eldar, Iyanden probably more like 500,000 due to the Tyranid attack. So thats 8,500,000 million Eldar all together. At a guess, 20% at any one time are on the path of the warrior i.e. are aspect warriors. Thats 1,700,000 aspect warriors and exarchs. Then consider of the rest there are Warlocks and Farseers, and every other Eldar is trained to act as a guardian.

Plus all the unnamed Craftworlds, plus 2,000,000 Eldar/craftworld is a conservative guess, plus the Exodites, Dark Eldar and Harlequins...

Those 1,000,000 SMs are beginning to look a bit small aren't they Coey ? :P

I'm sure Eldar will have more of an impact then SMs on the final battle.

[DarthFelth]

Well...Eldar was once a great race we all know tat, they wanted perfection and had a better brain then humans so they can express things better then us, they wanted everything soo perfect they began forming cults and lust started to overcome them, soon they started to become insane, while this was happening Slaneesh was sleeping, when all the eldars began dieng the way they wanted perfection was soo strong that awoke Slaneesh, soon he came and started devouring souls of Eldar, then Khaine went to war with..it he was defeated, soon the Eldar was in such a disarray that small groups of Eldar still sane fled away on Craftworlds. The goal for Eldar is that once they all die they will form in the Infinity Matrix and band into one power and overthrow Slaneesh This is wat i think happened please correct me if im wrong

kinda more like the eldar brain experiences more extremes of emotions, they eldar race tried fighting the urge for lust this only made erm want erm more, this want and desire and then embrace is wot created Slaanesh, when he awoke thats wots caused all the eldar to die,

As for dying race, erm, they are dying out that should explain it all, but wot they said about the birth rate and the al that otherstuff

[-_Phoenix_-]

http://uk.games-workshop.com/40kuniverse/citadelminiatures/eldar/eldar.htm


The Eldar race have proven to be a deadly foe and useful ally. They are a dying race and their number dwindle daily. They have no homeworld to speak of, but instead inhabit gigantic spacecraft called Craftworlds.

[DarthFelth]

its also the birth rate ;)

[Kaldaris]

There are more than 5 craftworlds,The big 5 are the most known ones.The Rhana Dhandra is the Final Battle between Eldar and Chaos when nearly all life in the galaxy has been extinguished-the last Good vs Evil battle.However it doesn't say that Eldar race will die,the winner hasn't been determined and never will be,unless GW goes bankrupt within the next week so they speed up the timeline.The thing about the Eldar numbers dwindle daily is applied to ALL races(except Harlequins I guess) especially the Imperium since its the biggest.

[Coey]

Aren't there more craftworlds floating around out there?

EDIT:Nvm, :Slap: <<< me

[BrotherLucius]

How I understood it was that before the fall, when the Eldar died they entered the warp to be 'reborn' again...since now slandeesh (spelling) is eating anything getting into the warp, the eldar now have to store their souls in to soul stones, so hence they cant be 'reborn' anymore.

however, that doesnt explain the whole birthing cycle, and why they are having kid problems.

[BRAINoff]

Rhana Dandra, the Wolf Time or whatever you want to call it, is the last final battle between Chaos and pretty much everything else, where all sorts of prophecied things including practically every other primach crawling out of the woodwork and every Eldar Phoenix Lord showing up is supposed to happen.

Will Chaos rein supreme in the Universe or will it finally be beaten back into the warp from whence it came ? That is what will be decided.

Onto corrections :) Fuegan will be the last Phoenix Lord to fall, not the last living entity, hence it follows not matter who wins, all the Phoenix Lords will die. I apreciate you might have your entire little idea about Ynnead BRAINoff, but TBH we don't know much about it really. Lots of stuff flying around the net, not actually much but a couple of lines in the Eldar codex actually in print. The upshot is there appears to be the possibilty of a new Eldar god being created called Ynnead...and thats about it. We don't know how, when, where or why. Anything else is pure conjecture.


ok well, probably i took a bit too much of an eldar look at this :D
of course for the eldar they say fuegan will be the last and they will be revived through ynnead. well anyway. there are a lot of different versions. it just depends from what point of view you see it :D

not only the craftworlds, exodites, harlequins and 'whatever eldar' will fight in this battle but also all the eldar souls from the infinity matrix will 'somehow' take action.

but as has been said. this will never be known for sure anyway, since this would be the end of warhammer: 40k :p

[Kaldaris]

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Well with sex comes pleasure,does it not? It was pleasure itself that brought down the Eldar civilization(not nesseariarly from sex but part of it) and the creation of Slaanesh,so that swhy the Eldar reproduction cycle is slow because of the fear that they might return to their old ways.

[-_Phoenix_-]

If you'd like to re-read my post, I do indicate theres more then just 5 craftworlds :)

The final battle isn't just Eldar vs. Chaos, it'll involve all the 'good' races.

Kaldaris, i'm I reading your post correctly ? You seem to indicate the imperium is a dying race ?!

[Kaldaris]

No what I ment was the imperium loses men everyday as do all the other races. WH40K is a state of constant war so everyone is Technically "dying".

[Dimension]

phoenix: who knows? for all intents and purposes, the imperium "might" be a dying race at the moment. however, i doubt anyone, probably not even the high lords would care, or maybe even know. humans are numerous and abundant, and won't likely be wiped out.

Kaldaris, assuming a reproduction method similar to humans (as has been hinted in the fluff) females produce eggs without the necessity of an orgasm. males need to orgasm. however, a male ejaculates ONCE, and you have enough sperm on your hands (snicker) to fertilize millions of females, just from ONE male. there might even be ways to extract semen without orgasm.

so orgasm is not a prerequisite to reproduction.

(i wonder if there is some kind of sex aspect by the way, eldar channeling all facets of their personalities into controlled aspects and all...)

[Coey]

An Exarch of Porn, hmmmm

[BrotherLucius]

wasn't it writen some where that only 2% of the total population of the Imperium actuall see war (im talking about the civilian population here)

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to put it in a little perspective on the military side of the humans again:

lets say only 10% of the total worlds in the Imperium (of 1 mllion worlds) had to give just 1 regiment (roughly 3,000 troops). witch is a very very small number compared to even a small planet (i.e. pop of 6 million)

then thats 3000 troops of 10% of 1 million (100,000) planets

thats a total of 300,000,000 troops; thats right 300 million man army, just after a call of only 10% of the total planets and ONLY asking for 1 regular regiment.

As you can see the Imperium has plenty of people to spare, and have no trouble with being 'dying off'.

[DarthFelth]

wasn't it writen some where that only 2% of the total population of the Imperium actuall see war (im talking about the civilian population here)

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to put it in a little perspective on the military side of the humans again:

lets say only 10% of the total worlds in the Imperium (of 1 mllion worlds) had to give just 1 regiment (roughly 3,000 troops). witch is a very very small number compared to even a small planet (i.e. pop of 6 million)

then thats 3000 troops of 10% of 1 million (100,000) planets

thats a total of 300,000,000 troops; thats right 300 million man army, just after a call of only 10% of the total planets and ONLY asking for 1 regular regiment.

As you can see the Imperium has plenty of people to spare, and have no trouble with being 'dying off'.

i think your figures are way off, thats prolly more like 2% :p

[BrotherLucius]

well either way, if only 2% of the planets gave just 1 regiment, then that means it is 1/5 of the figure I had previously so thats what...60,000,000 troops, still very impresive for only 2% of the planets that give less than .05% of its population (given said world has 6 million and gives only 3000)

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see my point, humans are definatly not dying off here.

[Kaldaris]

Im not talking about Dying on a galactic scale.The Imperial Forces dont come out of Battles unscathed there is always casualties.

[BrotherLucius]

oh, sorry misunderstood you there Kaldaris, my fault, but your right in your earlier post, I think the High lords dont care how much they lose, they feel (according to the numbers) that they have plenty to go around.

[Spazhazzard]

YAY!!! More people to slaughter!

Anyway, in a really old White Dwarf there was an article about a Rhana Dandra being played in a Games Workshop store. They didn't say who won though...

[DarthFelth]

Im not talking about Dying on a galactic scale.The Imperial Forces dont come out of Battles unscathed there is always casualties.

opps thats wot i thought you mind, my bad

[firefly31]

every race is dying, they all kill each other come back for more and die a bit, the thing is the eldar probably will die before a lot of races. i rekon that if this were happening and not just a game then eventually there would be so few people left in a small number of races that there is no more war (the universe is a big place its hard to find 50 orkish men and woman on a remote planet far far away, you'd need an army the size of the current imperium) then give it about 100 years and once again you'll hear the death of a million men of all races dying. BUT... as warhammer is a game eldar or any race is not dying, for the purposes of story and background they are but its never going to affect the game. btw this post is probably completely off topic and makes no sense at all.... hehe look at the smiley :)

btw put simply in wh40k the definition of "dying race" is good story for another army. LOOK! smiley! :)

in story terms dying race is not really doing the eldar justice as all races are slowly dying, singling them out is just not fair

[DarthFelth]

it is cos races like the marines actually ahve so many people in them they can lose the amount of people eldar do and not even notice thats the difference ;)

[Spawncraft]

Well necrons don't really die they are destroyed then phase out to the nearest tomb world if in their own tomb well their buggered

[DarthFelth]

necrons are already dead as far as im concerned, all its gona take is army that has a thing about melta weapons to make sure they dont get up again :D

[ironcurtain]

Nuke tomb world

Problem solved :up:

[Spazhazzard]

Why use nukes when you could always make an appointment with Abbadon on his planet killer?

No appointments on wednesdays though.

[Spawncraft]

I'm suprised why the necrons don't attack Planet killer they could they destroyed the blackstonne fotresses..

[Imperial marine]

Have any of you read about the Rhana Dandra? Its the final battle against Chaos where all Eldar will unite and the Phoenix Lords will lead them to battle. All the Phoenix Lords are prophesised to die in this battle along with the entire race (from what I understand anyway). So much for not going out with a bang.
reminds me of ragnarok

[DarthFelth]

ahh, i wouldnt mind front row seats to the final battle doubt it will last very long ;)

[Raistlinuk]

The Eldar are a dying race and their souls are doomed. Each Eldar carries a soul stone to trap their souls inside so that when they die they arnt taken by Slannesh. Neither of which i consider to be a nice end.

[RAMBO]

heard that an ancient eldar psycker was in fact controlling gazhull to destroy the imperium

[DDZ_Goldstrike]

heard that an ancient eldar psycker was in fact controlling gazhull to destroy the imperium

You might be thinking of when Eldrad(sp?) manipulated Ghazgull to prevent him from attacking an Exodite world.

[RAMBO]

nah, i really readed somewhere that some eldar guy ( really fucked up name, maybe a damn old psyker, more old than eldrad i heard) was in fact concetrating all is energys to control ghazkul in order to destroy the imperium, he's kindof the cause of the lust that orks have.