Space Marines: Do they sweat? And some other questions.

[SlowFocusGuy]

No really, do they sweat? And if they do were does the sweat go?

Servitors looks kinda gruesome in game. Now who in the right mind would want to be something like that? BTW what is the book he's carrying and what does the sign around his neck says?

How does the space marine do Court Martial? Can a Space Marine retire and if he does retire...what does he do then?

[MacBeth]

I cant remeber about the sweat.
there failed recruits,they become thralls/serfs, and if they show a knack for tech there made into servitors.
there really aint such a thing anymore in 40k,its either your loyal or your a heretic.so its serve or die.
marines cant retire,there life long warriors.

[Ramrod]

lol, loving the thread title.

alrighty, first off, they probably do sweat, and it probably goes where common sense dictates it would: downwards. maybe the boots have some kind of moisture absorber.

being a servitor is a punishment. the same way being turned into an arco-flagellant, or being put into a penitent engine is. they are basically dead people being kept alive by their cybernetics, and having the cybernetics think instead of their organic brain.

SM carry out summary executions (source:2nd ed fluff, the punishment of the SM 5th company for failure during battle). i have no idea if an SM even NEEDS to retire, since they live for hundreds of years, and will invariably die in battle.

[SlowFocusGuy]

...geez....the Space Marines dont sound all that great all of a sudden.

So lets say I get drafted into the Space Marines. And lets say that I turn out to be a not so great warrior...and I've failed tech school. I would be turned into that thing? You mean I cant just go back to being a civlian? WTF! Not to mention that if you dont fulfill your mission...your whole unit is exucuted?! Dude that's extreme.

Is the imperial gaurd any better?

BTW what is a thrall/serf and arco-flagellant?

[MacBeth]

its a honour to be a marine,and if you were taken into the marines you proably earned it.it really depends on how you failed,you could just serve them for the rest of your life.

the IG are just normal troops like out soldiers,ya proably shortend your life span by 90 years but what the hell its not a great palce to live.

[SlowFocusGuy]

Dude this universe sucks...

[MacBeth]

no one said it was a flower garden :D
harsh time means harsh rules

[Gabekun]

Space Marines do sweat. One of their 19 implants is an organ called the Mucanroid. It is implanted in the lower intestine, where its hormonal secretions are absorbed by the colon. These secretions initiate a modification of the sweat glands. It is activated by certain chemotherapy, and as a result the Marine sweats an oily naturally cleansing substance which coats the skin - it protects the skins against extreme temperatures and even offers a certain degree of protection in a vacuum.


*geek*


That's from Index Astartes I, btw.

[Cashew]

See the thing is, in the imperium, very few people are in the right mind, religious fanaticism and all that fun stuff. And why the hell does it matter whether a space marine sweats?

[SlowFocusGuy]

See the thing is, in the imperium, very few people are in the right mind, religious fanaticism and all that fun stuff. And why the hell does it matter whether a space marine sweats?

Cause I thought it would be funny that if a Space Marine fights long enough he would eventually drown in his own sweat.

[Ramrod]

Dude this universe sucks...
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war!

being turned into a servitor isn't just SM, its the whole imperium. and no, its a punishment for a crime like espionage, rioting or kidnapping. not for getting bad grades.

but no, you don't get summarily executed for failure, but for cowardice or disobeying orders. that's what happened to the UM 5th co.

and no, you would not be able to go back to civilian life, but instead would probably be recruited by your planet's defense force as a middle-rank soldier, since you have recieved limited SM training (and possibly implantation of bio-mods).

the imperial guard are my favorite arm of the human military, because unlike daemonhunters (psykers) and SM (superhumans), they are still normal. and they can hold their own against anyone. they rule. unfortunately, they are cannon fodder. and drug use, thievery and murder is common within the IG.

a serf is just another (quite common) word for slave or servant.

this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110108058&orignav=10) is an arco-flagellant. don't really look like it's fun to be one, does it?

[Draken2034]

IG would be just like us, you fail in a mission, it depends on how you failed it, but youd get tried in a court if it was serious or your fault. if it was something like you ran cause your gun malfunctioned and there was like...200 orks running towards you then theyd let that slide.

im saying this since someone said something about IG.

[SlowFocusGuy]

The IG sounds a bit better. Are they truly just cannon fodder or are they actually a force to reckon if the planets are aligned just right?

[Gabekun]

The IG sounds a bit better. Are they truly just cannon fodder or are they actually a force to reckon if the planets are aligned just right?

Ehh, well, a single marine can probably do the work of 10-20 guardsmen, and still survive :P

[Ramrod]

gabekun, take those words back! :argh:

the IG are the backbone of the imperium. while the SM get all the glory, there are only one million space marines, compared with billions of guardsmen. there is always fighting in the 40k universe, and definitely more than 80% of that fighting is done by the imperial guard. they are irreplaceable and more important than any other organisation the imperium of man has, including the ecclesiarchy (witchhunters go home!).

on the battlefield, a space marine can do the work or 10-20 guardsmen. but in the grand scheme of things, all have done the same amount of work: helped defend humanity.

--Roddy666, Imperial Guard player and damn proud of it

[Cashew]

It's still true man. You have to understand, 1.5million worlds in the imperium, 1 in 5 men is in the imperial guard, THEY ARE CANNON FODDER!

It's true. Get used to it.

The SM's are glory hogs though. The Imp guard has fought many more battles.

[Ramrod]

well, if you read my second post in this thread, i did say IG are cannon fodder. but for gabekun to suggest one marine was more valuable than twenty guardsmen...

lord solar macharius would be turning in his grave.

[Dimension]

well, to start things off, Armageddon without marines is safer than Armageddon without IG.

furthermore, IG are always a force to be respected, precisely because they are cannon fodder. oh, and their hideous mass of big guns probably has something to do with it as well.

[Greeny]

i love the IG, they really are ruthless ie steal a bottle of ale from your commanders drinks cabinet and you'll be shoved in a penal platoon :argh:

Also the IG commissars are very much like the nasty commissars of soviet russia, not allowed to retreat, take one
step back and you got your own leaders gunning you down.

They're also very old fashioned, volley fire, immense discipline,
floggings and even the good old bayonet charge exists in the 41st millenium :nana:

[Ramrod]

slowfocusguy, i am terribly sorry that my beloved IG hijacked your thread. they will probably all be shoved into a penal platoon and shipped into the Eye of Terror now.

IG, it was good while it lasted :salute:

[SlowFocusGuy]

It doesnt matter. But I dont like the imperial guards all the much either...

Is there a Airforce or Navy?...or maybe it's a Spavy or Spaceforce..

[Greeny]

Roddy's last chancers :D

[Gabekun]

Don't get me wrong, I respect the Imperial Guard, and understand that they risk alot. I never said that the IG are worthless... just stating a fact, that the Space Marines are superhumans, and can do the work of many normal humans

To put it bluntly, the IG are the grunts, while the Space Marines are the elite special forces - they can't operate without eachother, or rather they couldn't operate effeciently.

To quote from the 3rd Ed rulebook... "The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Imperium"

[Cashew]

It doesnt matter. But I dont like the imperial guards all the much either...

Is there a Airforce or Navy?...or maybe it's a Spavy or Spaceforce..

It's the imperial navy, which you can see in the specialist game battlefleet gothic. The airforce isn't a stand alone branch, they are attached to guard units.

[Ramrod]

lmfao @ spavy. oh how i wish it were called that.

the imperial navy, focusguy. the imperial guard, in space! well, kinda. they are probably the least humane of the imperial services. ratings (NOT ratLings, guys. basic crewmen) are treated like slaves, and the navigators are people with psychic powers who are literally forced to navigate until either the warp drives them mad or the strain turns them into vegetables.

seems you're out of luck, slowfocusguy. in 40k, it would be high time to pick a service and dig in for the rest of your short life.

[SlowFocusGuy]

There's got to be something more then dieing in this universe. Oh let me guess, if I happen to be born rich and powerful I can live a comfortable life were I would never have to touch a gun in my life?

Bah if I was destined for this kind of life I would just enlist into the IG and hope that I would be able to take out a Ork or two. Cause being a SM would suck if it means I would have to strip everything of me that is me.

[Ramrod]

i don't think that last line is very true at all. i think space marines are encouraged to be individuals (like contemporary special forces), by writing their own litanies on their armor, getting piercings, and having families (some SM are not infertile, but this is a geneseed mutation. SM are supposed to be infertile).

and focusguy, it sounds like you're wanting for some "nice" race goodness. look into tau and eldar.

[SlowFocusGuy]

Well being in active duty for like 364 days a year doesnt sound too fun.

But I'm not looking for a nice race (though it looks like non of the race are nice), just a race that I can relate to. The Tau looks cool...their battlesuits things looks like a mixture of Macross and Heavy Gear. But I dont understand why the Tau is out to kill humanity unless humanity is out to kill Tau.

[Ramrod]

while i am writing this post i am sure dimmy is writing one too.

the tau aren't out to exterminate anyone, rather to induct them into their society. they are not peaceful by any stretch of the imagination, but they are the least warmongering race in 40k.

and the imperium wants to exterminate all non-humans, in self defence.

[Rafi]

Wouldn't it have been simpler to be an ork? No questions, no doubt, just certainty of purpose and living your life the way it was intended.

[Ramrod]

lol, in that case, tyranids have it easiest since they aren't self-aware, only the overlord synapse creature (i don't think it has ever been mentioned by name anywhere), controller of the hive mind at large, is.

and i guess dimension didn't reply to the suggestion that tau are a race of exterminators.

[TheBladeRoden]

So are there any females in the imperium, or have they all been eliminated because you can now engineer humans in artificial incubators?

[Ramrod]

:O heretic! the ecclesiarchy deems growing humans in "vats" is against the divine word of the emperor. too bad the adeptus mechanicus is not in charge, since they did it with a certain famous, excommunicate chapter (<dum-dum-DUM>). it would allow the replenishing of SM chapters to happen MUCH faster, and would allow for more than just one milliom SM, since it wouldn't take as long to train one. he'd be grown, instead.

women are all over the place, as they are here. in fact, females are allowed in the imperial guard. and the fighting arm of the ordo hereticus is all female, the sisters of battle (battle nuns, to put it bluntly).

[Dimension]

there's plenty of females around. militarily, they are confined to the ordo hereticus, and the assassin temples though.

please note that the above is BS.

here's a bolter bitch.
http://figurepainters.com/40k/sisters/pictures/sister5.jpg

[Ramrod]

dimmy, thats not... entirely... accurate.

there are two female last chancer models, and one female tanith ghost model. women are allowed in the imperial guard, they probably just rarely join because of fear of rape or something. after all, these soldiers will not likely ever again see their wives...

[Gabekun]

Hm. I thought I remembered just reading about an entire regiment of female imperial guard.. could be wrong though.

Don't forget that GW itself has produced a Female Commisar miniature, albeit limited production.

[ShadowFox]

Cause I thought it would be funny that if a Space Marine fights long enough he would eventually drown in his own sweat.

I am pretty sure the power armor takes care of such things. It absorbs all bodily waste and disposes of it.


it would allow the replenishing of SM chapters to happen MUCH faster, and would allow for more than just one milliom SM, since it wouldn't take as long to train one. he'd be grown, instead.


Not that simple. Fabious tries that kind of stuff all the time, and the results are usually total failures. You can not just "clone" a space marine because his organs are not actually part of his genetic code. Now one could clone people who are genetically matched for organ transplantation. This would save time as the chapters would not have to go to feral worlds to recruit potentials and do gene tests. On the downside these cloned recruits would lack the expierence as the ones raised on the feral worlds.

[Toebot]

yes there are imperial guard female units and for the name of the nid hive creature it's called a dominatrix.

[kalju-luopio]

Well being in active duty for like 364 days a year doesnt sound too fun.

But I'm not looking for a nice race (though it looks like non of the race are nice), just a race that I can relate to. The Tau looks cool...their battlesuits things looks like a mixture of Macross and Heavy Gear. But I dont understand why the Tau is out to kill humanity unless humanity is out to kill Tau.

Yes, the Tau, they are propably the hippiest and happiest kind in the whole wide universe of WH40k(they are young, and it will surely diminish when time passes). They believe in better tomorrow and unity of all who do not oppose them.

The Tau kill humans because the Imperium will not subdue under their command. "We fill fight you alien, we will fight you to the last drop of blood" or something like that was once said by an Imperial Fists captain to a Tau ethereal, who tried to cut a deal with the Imperium.

And to the sweat question, in Dune, Frank Herbert gave the desert people stillsuits and I think power armour has a similar system for recycling fluids. This way they dont have to carry tremendous amounts of extra liquid with them, but they can simply re-use most of their sweat and urine.

[Hadrian]

I've never read anything that suggests that Space Marines are encouraged to do anything but fight and be devout to the Emperor.

However, they are still human, if superhuman, so likely they have many of the same desires and personalities of normal people, they just have greater willpower and control.

And yes, the universe sucks.

[Lord Anubis]

1. people who fail to be marines are "donated" to the apothecaries for research
2. as mentioned before, SM sweat is an oily substance that protects the skin from all kinds of stuff
3. they don't retire, however if their schedule permits it, they may visit their home planet (given that you live about 100 years and they see fit for you to visit)
4. if a marine lives to the age of 300 (projected lifetime), then he is a master at battle and would probably be put into a dreadnought or the like after his body dies
5. IG suck. take a look at your SM figurine. in REAL life, the IG would reach to the hawk/skull on the space marines chest. IG do the dirty work and are the mass units that suck. Space marines are the elites.
6. Possibly the oldest living space marine is Kharne the Betrayer. While technically he isnt a SM anymore (hes a champion of chaos), he is 10,000 years old. thats what you get for satisfying the blood god.

[-_Phoenix_-]

Lord Anubis, theres loads of CSMs who date back to the Horus Heresy, Kharn isn't exactly unique in that. The oldest 'living' loyal SM i'm aware of is Bjorn the Fell Handed.

[FatalTheRabbit]

On a similar to normal humans reaching to about the skull/wings on a space marines power armor...it seems like the SM in DoW dont seem very tall. They look about the same height as the other races. As far as i know the eldar are not 8 feet tall...

[kalju-luopio]

Actually, if I remember correctly, the Eldar are taller than average men(only thinner). Orks are huge piles of green meat and chaos marines, well they are marines. So I think they look ok in DoW.

But yes truly, Space Marines are a lot taller(and bigger, and faster and..) than average men. Some people say they are more than 8 feet tall, but more likely a little above 7 might go closer. Then again, who knows exactly. Say between 7 and 8 and you can't be wrong.

If I ever get finished with my live-sized-space-marine-living-room-decoration it will stand nearly 8 feet tall.

[SlowFocusGuy]

Well the more I read about the Tau the more cool they seem. Too bad they dont sound all that tough in TT. I dont know but it seems like nobody really cares for the things outside of SM and CSM. I mean just look at the amount of artwork for those two compare to everything else....

[kalju-luopio]

Maybe because they are two most popular armies.

It is really a matter of learning how to play. You can win any army with any other. Tau are not close combat oriented, so if you like a ranged combat army, they are the ones for you. Dont just stare at the individual statistics of the units, there is a lot more to it that makes an army good.

[chocolate]

Orks iz da best. Wez kan only be 'timulated by tw0 dings- noise an speed! Dats what Jerviz says anyhow! We Kant be beat either, and we are da ardest of da ard! Wez dont care wheder its da beakies or da oomies, wes Orks n wez made to fight an win!

[DDZ_Goldstrike]

Yarr, wut Khoko sayz.

Green iz bezt!!!

[Ramrod]

Red wunz go fasta!!!

orks rule, slowfocusguy, look into them. they are a very warlike race, but its cute how they're so dumb :D

[chocolate]

Bah, sometimes ya need a git ta get da job done right! Wez certainly more succesful then dem puny Eldar, da stunties, or da oomies aren't we?

Out of Orky voice, its certainly true that the Orks seem to easily expand, thrive, and prosper in comparison with all the other races in the galaxy. As one Eldar said (in 4th ed book) the Orks are the perfect race. They can't be defeated or go extinct, there moral as a species can't be broken, and, inevitably, they always outlast their enemies.

[FabianX]

Most of the races got there pro's and con's, an outlook on the galaxy for example the Imperium have a bit of a bleak one right everywhere they look they find more enemies like Rome they see themselves beset on all sides by foes and worst from within as well now while the Tau have a unfounded one they are optimistic that the galaxy is a good place but with the necrons, chaos, and nids they are in for a wake up call sooner or later, IMO.

[Ramrod]

i agree fabian, but i say let the tau have their happy moment in the galaxy. you wouldn't tell a 3-year-old who just learned about christmas that saint nicholas is just a story someone pulled out of their ass, would you?

PS. one little full-stop goes a long way. :p

[Hadrian]

Again, why the Tau have always bothered me. They're like the retarded hippie comune of Warhammer 40K. Their fluff often makes no sense whatsoever, and their society is a concept that will never work in a world where the Chaos gods, Necons, Orks, and Tyranids are a reality.

The reason why most of the fluff and artwork is about Space Marines is they are the "main characters" of the 40K game, and always have been since the beginning followed closely by the rest of the Imperial organizations. Plus, they are all human, so the perspective is familiar for readers.

The more you write fluff from the perspective of the alien races the less believable it becomes because it gets humanized. These other races wouldn't see things from the same perspectives we have, and thus it's harder to write stories that we as readers can relate to, yet still be true to the fluff.

[SlowFocusGuy]

While the Orks are cool beyond cool, they're a bit too simple.

How about the CSM? Theres gotta be something good about them or else why would people even thinking about turning Chaos? I'm pretty sure that if the average joe is turned to Chaos he's pretty much screwed. And I'm pretty sure that once again the SM who gets turned will get all the cool stuff. But speaking of which, why is there only CSM? Could there be a Chaos Ork? Or a Chaos Tau?

[DDZ_Goldstrike]

A long, long time ago in a game edition found only on E-bay.......

[Rafi]

While the Orks are cool beyond cool, they're a bit too simple.
But speaking of which, why is there only CSM? Could there be a Chaos Ork? Or a Chaos Tau?

Historically GW has presented orks as unaffected by the charms of Chaos, tho with a few exceptions. Stormboyz used to be orks in the rebelious phase of their lives and so did un-orky things like wear uniforms, march in lines, and (occassionally) worship Khorne. Also, occassionaly a daemon would get sucked out of the warp into the mind of an ork weirdboy and be unable to take over the host (orks being very strong-willed) so you'd have possessed weirdboyz (the bloodthirster possessed one was awesome), and you would get the occassional possessed snotling (from taking trips through a Shokk Attack Gun).

Orks aren't simple, BTW, they have massive amounts of fluff available (including a book that is only fluff, no rules).

[FabianX]

Chaos Space Marines are the stable troop for Chaos but like the Imperium the PDF/IG (cultist for chaos) are the more used force as their are a lot more of them then the Marines (equals less cost in TT) their stats may suck so they tend to be seen as only cannon trash to screen for useful units but they get the job done if you are hurting looking for cheap units.

[LordZon]

The Tao are comunists. They believe they have found the greater good. But in reality they aren't too much better.

If you want to see who the Tao hang out with, look at the Kroot.

Someone said be an eldar... Oh boy that's a joyous afair. If you are a Dark Eldar you torture just so that you feel alive. And if you are regular Eldar you have to wear a spirit stone or lose your soul to Slanneesh.

The Imperium for the most part is a group of jack boot Nazis. They exterminate those that are diffrent from them. And murder thousands of psychers each day to satiate the emperor on his Golden Throne.

Now you want to get into really messed up.. have someone nice explain about the C'Tan.. Those poor fools on Mars have been worshiping the deciever with out knowing it.

[Hadrian]

The Imperium is strict and fascist because it has to be.

[Ramrod]

wow, lordzon, thats pretty anal retentive.

you complain about being eldar just because they have to wear a little necklace? do you still resist when your mommy tries to dress you? :p

also, it's tau. T. A. U.

also, the mechanicus have been worshipping one of the dormant c'tan. thats either the outsider or the dragon, NOT the deciever. also, christianity/islam/judaism DO NOT FACTOR INTO 40K. there is no "satan" or "jesus" or "jehova" in 40k.

tao is a disgusting typo. awful. honestly. i'm not even smiling at that.

[Deathscythe61]

The imperium has the be xenocidal; imagine if they tried negotiations with the 'nids. For all we know 'nids would've played along and the next thing you know the whole imperium would have been conquered without a single gun fired.

[LordZon]

One of the C'tan is the hive mind.
One of the C'tan is acting as the machine god, and I believe the Laughing God of the Eldar. Read the new Necron Codex carefuly.
One of the C'tan is Death, and is such in the race memory of all races in 40k.

Geeze, dude. You don't capitalize of your sentences, and you attack me for mispelling the Tau.

And there are strong religous sybolism all over 40k bud. The Imperium draws heavily on the gothic cathedrals of old europe. The space marines are akin to the knights templar. Gee, the Black Templar come to mind.

And what exactly was anal? The eldar are a sad race, much like the high elves in fantasy. The farseers see their doom and all they can do is buy themselves time till they finally die. They care nothing for life other than the Eldar. They created Slaneesh and nearly were exterminated by that event.

I think, the religious symbolism I pointed out, offended your "NOE WAYZ DUDE>> 666 IS teh coo|3st number" ever attitude you have.

[Ramrod]

yes, because my username makes me a satanist. just like a guy called "the_pope" would, in fact, be the pope.

there are four c'tan, not three. i don't have the necron codex anymore. read it once, gave it away. i dislike that army. pure cheese.

i don't capitalise my sentences, but i try to correct my typos.

there is religious symbolism, but not any symbolism as obvious as "the deciever is satan, god's favorite angel who fell into sin" or "saint celestine is really the virgin mary."

what was anal was that your reason to not be eldar is just wearing a spirit stone. that has got to be the most superficial reason i have ever read against anything.

[LordZon]

My reason for not being Eldar had more to do with ... oh I dunno know having a soul. And to drive it home... WORSHIPING THE GOD OF MURDER. They are not nice folks.

i don't capitalise my sentences, but i try to correct my typos.

That is one of the most hyprocritcal statements I've seen in awhile. You jump me for messing up the spelling of a MAKE BELIEVE word.

Ok, I feel like I'm winning the special olympics now, this arguement is finished.

The fourth C'tan is sleeping.

[Ramrod]

not a make believe word. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tau) i may not capitalise my sentences, but i am cultured.

and there was nothing hypocritical about it, since 'not capitalising' is not 'making typographical errors', just ignoring typical grammatical rules because it is very convenient for me.

you did not say the eldar didn't have souls, you said they'd lose their souls to slaanesh if they ever took of the spirit stones. very different. and worshipping the bloody-handed god is just their little flaw, as every single race in 40k has one.

[Hadrian]

Well, I guess you're gonna have to go wake him up now, won't you?

God dammit, treed...

[Ramrod]

treed? what does that mean?

and although the 4th c'tan is sleeping, he's the one on mars. the deciever is awake which is why necrons can field him, zon.

[Dimension]

pulp fiction quote.

what seperates tau from most of the other races is that they a) know that they have a dark side b) have it under control by following the tau'va and c) aren't xenophobe. furthermore, yes they are communists. doesn't make it bad though, because communism is great when it works. for the tau, it works. case closed.

as for the original question, i do think space marines sweat. they are bigger, and as such have a smaller surface per body volume, which makes it more crucial to be able to regulate body temperature by sweating. the suit is probably air conditioned, but why expend energy when simply moving the air around inside it, causing the sweat to evaporate can do so much to keep a marine's head cool?

the sweat is probably gathered, and then sold as a fetish item and/or holy relic, to middle class imperial citizens. the high lords of terra then use the money to pay dark eldar prostitutes. they really know their stuff, those.

[kalju-luopio]

Mars, are you sure? I think he's slumbering in our basement. There is one room I never dared to enter. Sometimes I can hear humming and clanking from there.

[Varvidos]

Roddy666 is Swiss, so that explains it.

Furthermore, he's Swiss French.

I used to go out with a Swiss French chick...bag o' laughs that one.

[Ramrod]

that explains what? :wtf:

and no, i'm actually born in latin america and raised all over.

swiss french are nowhere near as bad as swiss germans. swiss german is a desacration of real german, and swiss french is identical save for slang and a few superficial differences, such as the names for the numbers from 80-90.

[Hadrian]

Treed, it is a racing term. Refers to the "tree" which is where the starting lights in a drag race are placed. Getting treed means getting beat off the line, having a better reaction time. He said the 4th C'Tan is sleeping. I wanted to post immediately after it with my Pulp Fiction quote, but without quoting his post (thus preserving the funny only for those who were able to spot it and put it together). However, you beat me to it.

[K_R]

Lord Anubis, theres loads of CSMs who date back to the Horus Heresy, Kharn isn't exactly unique in that. The oldest 'living' loyal SM i'm aware of is Bjorn the Fell Handed.

Bjorn is old, but the Space Wolves of the 13th Company are older than he. And they're still running around in their 10,000 year old Power Armour (ie. not "living" in a dreadnought). If he's still alive, I would say Jorin Bloodfang is the oldest living loyalist marine.

[-_Phoenix_-]

K_R, well they're probably about the same age and I wouldn't be entirely sure 1 year is actually a finite period of time within the eye of terror :) Point taken though, i'd forgot about the 13th company and to be fair Bjorn has been asleep for most of those years.


One of the C'tan is the hive mind.
One of the C'tan is acting as the machine god, and I believe the Laughing God of the Eldar. Read the new Necron Codex carefuly.
One of the C'tan is Death, and is such in the race memory of all races in 40k.One of the C'tan is most definately not the hive mind.
One of the C'tan may be the machine god.
One of the C'tan is also most definately not the Laughing God of the Eldar.
One of the C'tan is responsible for the racial memory of death in all races, bar orks.

I'll give you one out of four all together :) You might need to read your codex better :)

[Sikotics]

A Space marine can fight better than 10-20 guardsmen. more like 100-200.

[Dimeron]

K_R, well they're probably about the same age and I wouldn't be entirely sure 1 year is actually a finite period of time within the eye of terror :) Point taken though, i'd forgot about the 13th company and to be fair Bjorn has been asleep for most of those years.

One of the C'tan is most definately not the hive mind.
One of the C'tan may be the machine god.
One of the C'tan is also most definately not the Laughing God of the Eldar.
One of the C'tan is responsible for the racial memory of death in all races, bar orks.

I'll give you one out of four all together :) You might need to read your codex better :)


Hm... Kinda new to the whole warhammer 40 k thing, but can someone explain to me who are the c'tans? and why would bunch of AI robots worship them?

Also, what do you mean by racial memory of death. :confused:

Thanks.

[Davor]

The C'tan are sun leaches, they were "found" by the Necrondir, (sp?) who were extremely short lived and jelous of the "Old Ones." The Necrons made a deal with the C'tan. They would give them bodies, if the C'tan would grant them imortality. Welp, since the C'tan are really damn evil, they backstabbed the Necrons, instructing them to put their awarenesses into living metal robot constructs, that rendered the entire race immortal souless slaves.

The C'tan are also extremely vulnerable to warp energies. So much so that they strive to seperate the Warp from the material relm entirely. Wile you may think that's a good thing, it would just mean the C'tan and their Necron slaves would be free to harvest all life from the universe.

The four C'tan remaining are the Deciever, the Outsider, the Nightbringer, and the Dragon. The deciever tricked most of the C'tan into eating each other, and has been the cause of much anoyance. He however is not the laughing God, even though they both enjoy tricking others. The Laughing God is a warp entity, and if a C'tan ever entered the warp, they'd be destroyed. The Outsider was driven insane by the Laughing God, and is currently out somewhere building a dyson sphere. The Nightbringer is death, and was able to "visit" all races save the Orks before he was driven into exile (but has returned I think). The Dragon is more then likely the Machine God, slumbering on Mars, don't know much about him besides that.


Now as for Space Marines. Servitors are NOT failed marines, they are criminals. Infact, if you were to fail the tests to become Space Marines you'd probably die doing it. More then likely though, if you weren't fit enough to contest at becoming a marine, you would just be turned away and sent home.

[DoomKnights]

Ok people you got my to get my lazy ass login in for this. Ok first to be a SM you have to give your life up for them. Meaning you basicly sign your soul to them. You then do a trial by rights. Normaly this is tribes or hive people who agree to take the first step. This step is they take all those who want to join(around 50 sounds about right) and one by one they have a dualing terny. Two men go in one man walks out. You can forfiet and leave without death, but in these times thats showing so much weakness many just would rather die(and if you come back a failure theres no hope for you back to where you came from). Also with those 50 men around 5 are left(alive that is) who are accecpted into scout training. They are given thier first organs after a week or two of training. MANY and I cant stress this how much of those who train find their bodies reject the organs which means they then become servents(the SM have a full second branch inside their chapters just for this) where youd be a servent to a SM or speicalise in some sort of work in the chapter. Many who's body doesnt regect the organs die in combat, because they are sent out to infultrated and do all the dirty work for those who have already done the training and are full SMs.
It was read after the ritual, training as scouts, the percesntage was around 5% of those who actauly become SMs so good luck!
AND servitors are two kinds of people. First they are those who were damned for hanis crimes(heretic, killing someone important and such) or they are second home grown. YES you heard me they grow them without but the most instintive brains. No thought what so ever. They dont even feel pain nor do they feel feelings. There now please go slam your head on a wall for me. Thank you have a good night! :smash:

[Servitor]

I think servitors are cool :borg:

[MaD_hAmiSh]

NECROMANCER!

This thread is almost a year old..... Why did you post in it? The post is pointless too.

If I could find the thread necromancy picture, it would be here.

[Servitor]

Sorry :mute: this is my first day on dis forum

[SlickWilly]

Well try not to make it your last, little man.

[Dark Hunter]

Now now, don't be too harsh to the new guy.

[Angry_Smurf]

Yeah, theres nothing wrong with raising the dead.... wait, oh yeah, raising the dead IS wrong. Sorry. What were we talking about?

[SocialSecurity]

Raising the dead would be QUITE fun. Free legions, and it would help Al Sharpton to be quiet if they mobbed his conventions.

Anyway, as to the C'tan...

The Outsider, I'm fairly sure, is still in statis.
The Dragon is implied in the writings of Corteswain to be the Machine God. Even if he isn't, a C'tan MUST be the Machine God; why else would Necron ships make a suicide attempt on the Noctis Labyrinthus?
The Nightbringer is, yes, the embodiment of death which imprinted itself into all races minds and creates thoughts about the horror of death and mortality, according to "Nightbringer."
The Deceiver, well, deceives. I believe he also sealed away most of the Talismen of Vaul. The Necron Codex implies that he sealed away all or almost all, but Abaddon used some at one time, so he could not have sealed away all.

[MaD_hAmiSh]

Dude......

Let it die.

[SlickWilly]

Just DIE already!
Be disturbed by my Ewok!

[Angry_Smurf]

Consider me disturbed. But, hey you knew that already....