A film about Space Marines.

[Thrud]

We all must hope one day a movie will be made of the WH40k universe, but what will it be about. I think the Hours Heresy would be too big to feature in one film.

My question is this:

Would a film about marines be boring?

Space Marines are not you average joe, and are, in my own opinion a bit pretentious and boring. A better film could be made if it were centred on the IG, as these are normal average people, with a greater potential for drama. Marines come across more as programmed killing machines.

[wookieman]

I finished a novel called space marine. it was very good. a film would be good if they based it on that book. It's about three guys recruited from different levels of a Necromunda Hive collony, and how they are recruited and turned into Imperial Fist space marines. They build up a bond and become brothers, it's very moving and shows some neglected aspects of the space marines.

The old codexes went into much more detail about them. It even listed all the organs that are implanted into a person to turn them into a space marine. But now they did it all in the Codex Astartes that they have in white dwarf.

[Thrud]

I thought recruits had to be at a childs age

[Dooks Dizzo]

Best bet would be an animated series. There is no way to encompass all of 40k into 2 or 3 hours.

If they did an animated movie, using the graphics from say Final Fantasy and made it inot somethign like eight two hour episodes they could start to touch on 40k.

[Mortious]

I thought recruits had to be at a childs age

Im guessing that depends on the chapter.

For the Space Wolves to get recruited you have to "die" in battle, but only after you have proven yourself worthy of the honor...

If I were to age a SW when they are accepted in, I would say mid to late teens.

[BlindManBoots]

I know that thats true for Grey Knights. All are trained from birth.

[MacBeth]

I think the latest you can be taken is 18, its better to take em young when the organs have more affect on a growing person.

the space wolves take people who proven themselves in combat,not people who die,what ya goin to do with a dead body.
they do take warriors who proved themselves,but are dieing from wounds.

[Dooks Dizzo]

I know that thats true for Grey Knights. All are trained from birth.

Um...no.

They are recruited like everyone else.

However their psyco-indoctination has a tendency to wipe out or crush down all memories prior to recruitment.

read 'Grey Knights' by Ben Counter. Great 40k novel, and it's about our personal favorites, the Grey Knights.

[Ramrod]

this thread went from bad to worse.

SM in general -> SW -> GK

:yech:

i would like to see a movie focusing on IG but including some SM, as the guys nobody ever sees off the battlefield (they'd be praying), and rarely see ON the battlefield (they'd be behind enemy lines).

[Gabe'Oss]

I saw a couple of years ago at Games Day Australia (3 years ago I'm pretty sure) and They had on display a small animation trailer to a WH40k movie - I've been wondering what happened to that project... anyway just thought you guys should know

[Liberator11]

Movie on Horus Heresy can be done...in series juz like LOTR & Star Wars...

I suggest Gaunt Ghost series first...its more close to present days...Space Marines are more towards Clone super human which may not attract well...more like Terminator in most minds who is new to 40K

[Coey]

For the record you have to die to become a SW. They bring back the Wolfbrother to become an initiate.

[Von Doom]

It whuld be cool If the story was about an IG grunt that becomes a SM captain...I have a trilogy in mind...

[Coey]

But that's immpossible.

[Liberator11]

From First and Only all the way to Traitor General...

I guess best will comes from necropolis ...city biuld for any imminent war yet still consume by it no matter how much effort to fortified it

The second batch of Ghost from Veghast will sees men struggle for fame and status juz like present day army organzation...

[-hydra-]

There are warhammer 40k movies at Gameday events in Sydney,Australia they are short films though.

[-_Phoenix_-]

Note: Dead people are dead. You can't revive them.

The wolf priests rescue people who are dying. By fighting until they are mortally wounded by conventional (i.e. low tech) medicine, thet prove themselves worthy of becoming a SW.

[Gerog]

Making a movie doesnt mean it will have to include every little detail in Warhammer history.. it would only need to focus on a particular event, or series of events
It might just be me, but when you say that the IG are average joes.. that doesnt really exite me. who wants to see a movie full of average people? Not I

[Liberator11]

IG plssss...too close to starshipp trooper flop show

[Wempler]

Note: Dead people are dead. You can't revive them.

The wolf priests rescue people who are dying. By fighting until they are mortally wounded by conventional (i.e. low tech) medicine, thet prove themselves worthy of becoming a SW.

They do not need to die, or come close to daeth. They just have to fight very, very well.

[-_Phoenix_-]

I was just trying to correct previous posters, you're correct in that you don't have to be mortally wounded before a wolf priest chooses you, just that it happens a lot from what I can gather.

[Thrud]

Making a movie doesnt mean it will have to include every little detail in Warhammer history.. it would only need to focus on a particular event, or series of events
It might just be me, but when you say that the IG are average joes.. that doesnt really exite me. who wants to see a movie full of average people? Not I

I didnt mean not have Marines in full stop, but not focusing on Marines.

Come on, how can you have drama if the focus of attention is on super-human warriors, who are religious nutcases.

It would be boring! Think how rubbish the first two star wars films have been, despite dazzling special fx. You need to feel sympathy for the lead characters.

This would make it even more difficult to film the HH. As where do you focus the action?

If I were to make a film I would have a kind of Private Ryan in space. I would have the Marines come in right at the end - and turn on the IG survivors at the end of the movie for having come into contact with Chaos, despite overcoming insurmountable odds. Killed by your heros without a second thought, that would for me sum up the WH40K universe perfectly

[Coey]

Ragnar died but Ranek bought him back.

[Bloodtalon]

You could do the Horus Heresy in a 3 hour film. trust me, ive got the whole thing typed into my comp with timings and all.

start with a narrator intro describing the Great Crusade. Clips of the recovery of the Primarchs along to this. The film would have to focus primarily on about half of the Primarchs and only touch on the others.

have a battle of some kind (Orks? Chaos worshippers?) with Space Marines arriving to rescue Guardsmen in trouble. Afterwards a big celebration to show a more human side to the Primarchs and connect with the audience (I'm guessing Leman Russ would be heading up the celebrations!). show the personalities of some of the Primarchs for later and also establish the relationships between them. The fall of the primarchs will be much more effective on screen if we see just how far they fall

The Emperor takes Horus aside and makes a big deal of giving him the title of Warmaster. Horus hides it well, but it clearly dissappointed.

Another battle, woth Horus commanding the space marines from his ship in orbit. he uses his new title to place the marine chapters where they are best suited, using whole chapters as pawns (e.g. sending both Blood Angels and World Eaters into frontal assault together, knowing that their rivalry will cause them to try and outdo one another.

Afterwards everyone cheers the Emperor even when Horus did all the work. He is jealous, but again hides it. The Emperor says he will return to Terra to run the ever-growing Imperium.

Horus undergoes ritual of CHaos unknowingly and turns.

Reports of strange behaviour by Horus cause the Emperor to dispatch several legions to investigate on Istvaan V.
On Istvaan V Ferrus Manus, Corax and Vulcan gather their armies before a seemingly alone Horus and stride out to meet him. After some argument Horus springs his trap. The loyalists fall back to the landing site, but are met by more traitors

[One of the primarchs who dies on Istvaan V, maybe Vulcan, is firing while falling back to the "allies". He is saying something like "Brothers, Horus has turned on us! He has..." he stops as he turns. We see one of the traitor primarchs waiting, gun outstretched, pointing at him. Primarch smiles.]

The battle for Terra begins. I'm sure most of u know enough about this to imagine how amazing it would be, and i cant list the dozens of cool scenes i can imagine. But one in particular is this:

[Chaos drop pods are landing and releasing Chaos Marines. ranks of Guardsmen are firing in an organised manner. The first rank, kneeling in front of the second, fires a volley. As the officer orders the second rank to aim, another officer shoots him and says "aim!". The second rank, as one in a wide camera shot, all aim down at the guardsmen knelling before them. One kneeling loyalist turns. traitor officer: "FIRE!"]

Now that my friends, is the potential for a film.

[Gringo]

Seriously, one day they will make a film on WH40k....when they do it has potential to be the next Star wars / LOTR, especially if its a trilogy. They would need to get an excellent director obviously though, I think someone like David Lynch would be perfect, his Dune film was awesome, has a similar dark & gothic feel about it, though due to him compressing an entire set of books into one film its a bit of a mess story wise and confusing...

[whats_true]

the best way they can make a movie, is if they base it on a charater, like Logan Grimnar, or Commissar Yarrick. Why? besause there lives are interesting and you get to see a REAL (strongest of the strongest) solder of the imperium in combat. your safest bet though would be the IG, because there lives are shorter compaired to a SM who chould live for hundreds of years. thus, the movie would be not as long as a 3h film.

[Phyr_Negator]

GW likes money, that means auditory must be 13-aged teens to make film economically successful(you can't get a lot of cash from few fans). That also means PG-13 rating=> NO blood, NO slaughter, NO violence, NO massacre... that will be anything but NOT WARHAMMER40k
(That suggestions posted by Hamster - translated from Russian)
Search in google - Damnatus - fan film as I remember still in production. Well at least Blot Thrower created very good music with text based on WH40k Universe...

[tiberious]

they were actually making a movie about sm but then they ran out of money and could'nt finish the film.

[Mc Sarge]

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That´s just how i would imagen a good movie on the Horus Heresy, but....

You would need big amounts of money to pay the minitures, bigatures, special effects etc. to make it look good (to really show the greatnes of structures, weaponry,the battles) and even if it would be a animated movie it would still be too expensive (see Final Fantasy). But a low budget WH40K movie would just be wrong.

As Phyr_Negator pointed out, to appeal to a bigger audience they would probably want it to be a 13 rated movie and we all know that that wouldt suit WH40K.


But imagen, the mighty imperiall Palace shining in the fire of the orbital bombartment as Demons and traitor Space Marines try to reach its inner sanctum while being bombardet by the defending Troops. :smash:

[Lord Anubis]

i think this has been discussed before...
Pg13 would kill the movie

[eversor]

IG would suck, it would just be like anyother hollywood war movie, nothing special, like someone mentioned Starship Troopers (IG vs Tyranids)...

[Coey]

Deathwatch would make a great movie, just replace nids with Tau.

And a Horus Heresy film would own, but unfortunalty we can all guess who will be given some part in the film.

*cough* Bloom *cough*

[dlood]

Deathwatch would make a great movie, just replace nids with Tau.

And a Horus Heresy film would own, but unfortunalty we can all guess who will be given some part in the film.

*cough* Bloom *cough*

Hmm... Schwarzenegger as the Emperor, Bloom riding in on horse as the leader of the Eldar and ... perhaps Sly Stalone as Horus?

[Coey]

That would be the worst film ever.

The Govenator would be someone like Dorn or Guileman.

Bloom would be Sanguinus.

[ShadowFox]

I still think an anime would be the easiest route.....

[dlood]

Well, true, it would definitely make production easier. Also, I think a WH40K movie would look better as a series. It'd really be hard to make ALL that scenery for a movie in my opinion. Then again, The Chronicles of Riddick had very nice looks in the Necromonger ships (reminded me of WH40K a lot).

[Lord Anubis]

please dont kill the 40k universe with something as stupid as ANIME. Anime is JAPANESE. WH is BRITISH. At least make it into some good old fashioned Marvel comic. In today's age there is anime overkill. Kids don't watch spiderman comics or batman or x-men. NO, they watch Pokemon and sailormoon.
Please please please, never ever suggest anime again

[ShadowFox]

I was thinking of an anime more along the lines of Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, or Animatrix when it comes to making a Warhammer 40K movie.

Who the hell watches pokemon?

[Tholomas]

Maybe something more on the line like the Heavy Metal movies?

[Scalphunter]

starring Arnold Schwarzenegger ... 'i'll be back Tyranid scum'

lol

[Bloodtalon]

Mc. Sarge

I take ur point about cost. you'd hav to try and get someone big like New Line Cinema behind it, possibly combining it with GW's own profits (GW's profits last year were into 7 figures. That's PROFITS, not just takings!)

If u could get one film going, the Warhammer fanbase alone could make it big.

if ur going to do a trilogy it just HAS to be the Eisenhorn trilogy of books. I swear Dan Abnett wrote them as a film script. audiences would definately latch onto Cherubael, kinda like a psychotic Gollum (in terms of audience reaction, not personality of course.). Course, u'd have to find the right actors. I'm thinking maybe Michael Keaton (the original Batman) for Eisenhorn, he's got the right kind of mood and attitude, and by now he'd probably be about the right age. I feel sure there is someone out there perfect for Cherubael, probably whoever would also be perfect for carnage in Spider-Man, but i just can't think who it is.

[ShadowFox]

Maybe something more on the line like the Heavy Metal movies?

If you have seen the Animatrix short called "The Second Renossiance" they show the war between mankind and the machines. Thats pretty much what I think of if they would make a Warhammer 40K movie.

[dlood]

please dont kill the 40k universe with something as stupid as ANIME. Anime is JAPANESE. WH is BRITISH. At least make it into some good old fashioned Marvel comic. In today's age there is anime overkill. Kids don't watch spiderman comics or batman or x-men. NO, they watch Pokemon and sailormoon.
Please please please, never ever suggest anime again

That's a bit of a generalisation there. Those who watch Pokémon and Sailormoon are too young for WH40K in my opinion.

Also, I have seen a lot of anime. Does that mean I never read Spiderman or the others? Heck, I have the first issues of Superman, Transformers, Spawn and X-men. I only have the 2nd Ep of Spiderman. *mutters*

Anyways, Anime is still a good and valid possibility. Although, I would rather have the original Warhammer art designers superwise it, cause we don't want big eyes and stuff.

And ShadowFox is perfectly true about "The Second Renessaince" (sp?). It was exactly how I would like to see a WH40K anime.

[Davidtq]

I see a movie based around the horuse heresy, character driven about the emperor and his relationships witht he primarchs, lots of brief but very cool action sequences (kinds of like the opening shots of star Wars Ep3)

As for costs, why does it need to be so bad, I reckon CG is upto the job of creating a movie acceptable to the tt gamers, 2.5 hours of movie done in the style of the opening movie of DoW would be acceptable to me, no need for star actors, just a few voice talents. Allmost all the computer models they need already exist. I dont think GW would WANT the influx of interest from a cinema release, they prefer to stay reasonable small, if you ahve ever read their corporate statements. But a series of CG dvd's for the TT gamers could be very profitable, Id be more than happy to fork out £30 for a GW dvd.

Dune why do people go on about dune, what you have seen of dune is nothing like what was originally created, its about a quarter or the originally intended film. I would hate for GW to be given the LoTR treatment, with storylines butchered by a director who felt his "ART" was more important than the original storyline. I want a movie conversion, not some non players idea of what would appeal to a 13 year old.

David

[Thrud]

Dune why do people go on about dune, what you have seen of dune is nothing like what was originally created, its about a quarter or the originally intended film. I would hate for GW to be given the LoTR treatment, with storylines butchered by a director who felt his "ART" was more important than the original storyline. I want a movie conversion, not some non players idea of what would appeal to a 13 year old.

David

On LOR... If wh40k movie has the feel as close as the LOR movie, I will not be too upset.

There were only a couple of liberties taken, and I would rather they were taken so I can enjoy a movie of this scale.

WH40k is far less accessable, as there is very little to link it to our own world.

Space Marines dont fall in live, or have families, and dont do anything except fight. I cant see how a mainstream audience could fall for this.

The IG, on the other hand, are just abased on ordinary people, so you could sympathise a bit more, as they feel more human.

On Dune....

The film had the problem of not having enough time to lay down any background or plot. But I thought it actually looked close to how I imagined the book. It had the right feel for most of it.

The TV series of Dune made a better atempt at the story, although most of the acting was not up to scratch, and the effect and general "look" and feel was awful.

I wonder what kind of tv series you could get out of 40K. I would go for a kind of Farscape / Buck Rogers, "man out of time" style, because at least you could relate to a character.

The problem is we are talking 40 odd thousand years into the future, and lets face it, by then there wont be much to link back to our own time.

[The Despoiler]

Its gotta be either Deathwatch or IG for the movie.
As for Dune. You *have* to read the book before you see the movie or it will suck ass like nobody's business. That more recent czech Dune mini-series you can watch without reading the book and still enjoy it.

[ShadowFox]

Space Marines may not fall in love, but they do form deep bonds of loyalty and brotherhood that run much deeper those formed by normal soldiers.

[Davidtq]

What I hated so much about LOTR was the way the heart was cut out of the heros, good and wise kings became cowards and traitors, etc etc, the mythology of the sword histories were stripped out, I would hate to see a 40k film where sanguinius had a sudden bout of cowardice and chickened out of fighting the demons, and only just got talked around to boarding horus's ship. Or where the emperor was never a warrior, or where space the imperial guard held the space ports on terra by themselves without kahn, or worse still where space marines exist but have no link to the emperor etc etc. Why not make Leman Russ a girl? why not at the same time makd robute and rogal into a pair of petty thieves and clowns.

I felt lotr was visually amazing, but cut the heart out of the story, they stripped out so much of the backstory, which was what tolkiens work was all about. I would hate to see 40k as just a visual feast with the legend and myth stripped out. who wants techmarines that are merely army scientists instead of technoreligious nutters. Theres plenty of eye candy out there, I've been ing GW for so many years because I love the backstory \ alternative world which they've created. Exactly the same reasons I loved LOTR, Tolkien did an amazing amount of work to create LOTR, creating languages and extensive histories etc. Peter jacksons work cut out all links to that inf avour of jokes about dwarf tossing? and smoking dope?

I wouldnt want a conversion to appeal to the commercial audience, i want something true to GW style, and I dont think GW would sell their souls for a box office hit either.

Someone mentioned starship troopers, I believe that a lot of space marine \ tyranid style actually comes from the book on which starship troopers is based.

[The Despoiler]

Yes you are right about LotR but Mr Jackson still managed to capture all the boring bits at the end of 'Return of the king'
As for starship troopers there's a picture in an old white dwarf that shows a couple of people in terran army costumes reading a battle report between IG and 'nids

[Bold-Jabba]

i pitty you fools..............get a life

[The Despoiler]

If you think we're sad then get the hell off of these forums cuz they're populated with other people just like us. If you're just gonna be rude then I suggest you leave before you are forcibly removed.
Anyway I personally have many more hobbies than just warhammer. I surf as often as I can and I regularly play several sports so think before you speak as well.

[Tholomas]

I think it would be much more interesting to do a movie that reveals the W40K universe rather then on emotions. I've never played the game before but the universe of the game is incredibly interesting to say the very least.

[Noise Marine]

what's more sad, the geeks who play the game and enjoy the backstory or the rectard cockmonkeys who come on their forums and flame them? Go figure ..

(This insult copyright Q-Target enterprises, inc. (http://www.trickery.net/vb/member.php?u=259))

[Davidtq]

rectard cockmonkeys :D, Ive never been much good with the insults :)

For the record on getting a life

I am a married man, I GET PLENTY. got 2 kids and 1 on the way :) which is all the life anyone needs.

I have lots of interests:-

Rallying - back in 2000 I led my class in the British Championship.
Cars - in general anything fast or classic
Music, Anything from metal to dance, but have a problem with manufactured pop.
Birds - generally Parrakeets, but like larger parrots as well.
Tropical Fish - particularly large aggressive cichlids dovii trimac etc.
Beach stuff - Having lived out my life in a tourist resort, surfing, boats are part of the territory
Reading - Anything and everything, but LOTR gets read at least once a year.
Computers - they are where I earn my living
Carpentry - I make ALL my own furniture, it saves a fortune, some of my work has ended up on display in shops.
DIY - electrical, structural or plumbing, Im prepared to give it a go
Sci Fi - Yes Im a star wars fan, and for the record I have no problem with Jar jar Binks - which having been a fan from the old times puts me in the tiny minority - a place Im pleased to occupy :), but I also enjoy star trek, starship troopers, anything involving lots of guns and star backgrounds.

I have plenty to do in my life, without trolling on forums on subjects which I have no interest in.

David

[The Despoiler]

Tholomas: A movie requires emotion to succeed. Any movie that doesn't have emotion whether anger, love, etc. Won't bring in much cash. Being an international business GW would want as much money to generated from this film as possible. This being the case the film would probably require anger, passion and fear at a minimum. A war without those would just be like Necrons vs. 'nids or thousand sons. War is SCARY and inflames the passions as well.
"Oh no Jones you're hit! I swear vengeance!"

[Tholomas]

I was talking about having the movie based on what happens in the universe rather then having it "rely" on emotions. Yes you need emotions in a movie but what I meant was it shouldn't be the centre of it.

[Merforga]

There was a Warhammer movie being produced from memory a couple of years ago in Australia as some people said. It was an animated movie and the sneak peeks looked awesome. However they sorta just died...i think it was some financial reasons or something. But it is a shame. It would have been a big hit and many more people would have gotten into Warhammer 40k i believe but yeh...