My 500 Point army , and how i can expand on it.

[Lord_Tiamat]

Recently, last night actually, i was setting up a 500 point army to pit against my friends small tau force of firewarriors and kroot.

Here is what i managed to come up with.

Chapter Name: Green Dragons
Commander: Lord Tiamat
(Part of the backstory, they call all commanders, Lord.)

2 Space Marine Tactical Squads=
300 points

Add Ons-
2 Veteran sargent Upgrades,
1 with Plasma Pistol and Chainsword,
1 with power weapon and bolt pistol.

+60

360

2 rocket launchers
+20

380

2 Flamethrowers
+12

392

1 Commander
+45

437

Terminator Armor for commander
+25

462

Power Weapon for commander
+15

477

Jumpack for Commander
+20

497

Storm Bolter for commander
+5

502


Now, just to clear up confusion, yes, i know i have built rocket lauchers into two squads with flame throwers.
However, my squads are broken down like this.

Unit 1- Alpha
Veteran Sargent, Flame Thrower, 3 Standards with Bolt Guns.

Unit 2- Beta
Veteran Sargent, Flame Thrower, 3 Standards with Bolt Guns.

Unit 3- Charlie
1 with a rocket Launcher, and 4 regulars.

Unit 4- Delta
1 with a rocket launcher, and 4 regulars

So, what do you think? And How can i improve this?

[Durlag]

Hmm maybe some Vehicles would be nice for you.

I think of a small Biker team (maybe 2 bikes and a trike or something like that) Only Rines are not best choice i think

[Brother Wolf]

First and foremost. Terminators CANNOT have jump packs. That's a MAJOR no no... Ok, lesse here. Anybody remember the minimum unit size for Marines? Is it 5, incl the sarge? (Damn it's been a long time since I've even read my codexes)

I'd take the 20 pts for the jump pack and trade it in on something w/ juice for the missile launcher teams. Say, Plasmaguns. Ordinarily, I'd suggest Meltas, but if the ML teams are for fire support, you need something w/ some range, so Plasmaguns it is. Other than that, is seems a respectable 1st outing.

[Lord_Tiamat]

Alright, i'll scratch the jumpack, or i'll switch the termy armor to artifcier Armor. Ether is good. Anything else?

[Brother Wolf]

4 tactical Squads
-5 men each
-2 squads w/ ML and Plasmagun
-2 squads w/ Flamer
-2 vetsgts, 1 w/ PW and SB, other w/ PW and BP

Commander in Terminator armor w/ SB and PW

499 points. Very sweet.

[ShortStroke]

5 man is combat squad and 10 man is tactical squad. Or that's atleast how GW puts it on the boxes and 1 or 2 places in the codex.

[Lord_Tiamat]

Ok, Brother Armand... But, If i do change 1 Missle launcher to a Plasma Rifle, shouldn't i just combine the Missle launcher Plasma Rifle squads? Or should i combine the Flamer Plasma Rifle squad since the Plasma rifle also has powerful assualt.

So, i could do this.

Alpha- Missle Launcher, Plasma Rifle, 8 bolt Rifle regulars.
Beta- Flamer, Veteran sargent, 3 regulars
Charile- Same as Beta.

or, this

Alpha- Flamer, Plasma Rifle, Veteran Sargent with Storm Bolter, 7 Bolt Rifle Regulars
Beta- Missle Launcher, 4 Bolt Regulars
Charile- Flamer, Veteran Sargent, 3 Regulars.

Or i can keep the four squad standard. what do you think?

[Brother Wolf]

No guy, that's Missile Launcher and Plasmagun for EACH squad. *grin*

Kepe the 4 squads. As you get time & Money, expans them into full 10 man squads. Maybe migrate some other heavy weapons into one squad to make it a devatator squad. That's be cool. Add a couple termies as a retinue for the commander adn you could be to 750-1000 in no time, w/ just the purchase of 20 tacticals and 4 Termies.

Just a thought. Here's another. A quick expansion to 1000 points and it'll only cost your 2 purchases. A dreadnought and a single 10 man plastic tactical box. (Not counting storm bolter bits, of course). Make 2 new vet sgts out of the plastics and juggle the troops and boom, different setup.

Commander (Terminator Honors, Artificer Armor, Iron Halo, PW, SB)

Command Squad: 5 models (Terminator Honors, Meltagun, Plasmagun)
-Vet Sgt(PW, SB)
[303] 331

Tactical Alpha: 5 models (Flamer)
-Vet Sgt(PW, BP)
[111]

Tactical Beta: 5 Models (Flamer)
-Vet Sgt(PW, SB)
[116]

Tactical Charlie: 5 Models (PG)
-Vet Sgt(PW, SB)
[116]

Devastator Delta: 10 Models (3ML)
[210]

Dreadnought (Extra Armor, Heavy Flamer, TwinLinked Lascannon)
[140]

996 Total

Technically, you've only added 10 infantry and a dread for another 500 points, but the scope is a little different. Fisrt, since your Commander model is actually in regular space marine armor, I thought he could take Artificer Armor, (for the 2+ save), an Iron Halo (for a better 4+ Inv save), and Terminator Honors, (to gain the +1 attack). Add in his command squad, (also w/ terminator honors and a vet sgt), and you have a very potent assault force watching after their commander. Combing the heavy weapons into 1 squad and perch them on a hill somewhere for focus firepower and the other 3 squads are free to move. w/ 4 mobile squads and a dread, you are more likely to take table quarters or move to neutralize a threat than before.

[Lord_Tiamat]

Ohhh, ok. So that would do sort of a

Missle launcher, Plasma Rifle, 3 Standards
Missle Launcher, Plasma Rifle, 3 Standards
Flamer, Veteran Sargent, 3 Standards
Flamer , Veteran Sargent, 3 Standards


Makes sense...

As for the addition thing, that sounds pretty good. a Devestator Squad, a few extra tactical squads and some Terminators would be great.... But shouldn't i throw in something vehicle based?
Maybe, speed? I was thinking toss in a couple of scouts as cannon-fodder and ranged combat.

[Brother Wolf]

I edited the prev post, check it and tell me what you think...

btw- I hate it when people refer to scouts as cannon fodder. (poor lil guys)

They simply have a different role. Buy a blister of 2 scout bolters, 2 blisters of 2 scout snipers and a blister of 1 scout heavy bolter. Throw that down on a table quarter using infiltrate and see if your enemy can get close while being pinned the whole time and rattled by bolter fire. 4 Sniper shots, (hit on 2+, wound on 4+), 3 Heavy Bolter shots, and 2-4 Bolter shots depending on range.

That is a seriously solid 141 points right there... (Of course, that's also $32, yipes!)

[Don Gonzo]

looks like you've got a nice little force happening.
Hmm...Green Dragons, Tiamat. I'll assume you know who Tiamat is...;)

I've always thought Land Speeders w/Multi-Melta were a good investment.

Admittedly i only have 1 in my 2500pt SM army, i just got over-excited buying dreads :D

Termies are great, they soak up fire like nothing else.

:EDIT: Looks like i'll be getting some scouts....2 bolter, 2 sniper, 1 HB, thanks for the idea.

[Lord_Tiamat]

heh, yeah, i know who Tiamat is.
I thought it would go nicely. I also named the commander Tiamat, so that might be a little interesting. Heh, thought no one would notice.

Brother Armand, I gotta say, you have seriously helped me out through this. I owe you alot, man. Thank you again.

[Brother Wolf]

Brother Armand, I gotta say, you have seriously helped me out through this. I owe you alot, man. Thank you again.
Beer makes for good payment. :beer:

I love putting armies together. If I could get paid to do that, that'd rock. Alas, armchair generals are too numerous. The glut on the market keeps salaries down.

Hey, wanna take the above force to 1500? Add in the scout squad I described and a pair of 5 man assault squads, or maybe an assault squad and a land speede w/ MultiMelta. Mmmm. That'll give ya some speed for another 500 points. Handful of blisters, box of marines, box of land speeder. prob run ya about $100-120 depending on the shop. Assault marines are, btw, the worst BUY in terms of $$$, but a best buy for your army. And GW knows it.

btw- saw a GW rep at the shop over lunch. Talked about the Marine codex and saw some goodies up close. Looks tight folks. Looks really tight.

[Lord_Tiamat]

Ok, This is what i currently have-

2 Tactical Squads, with two flamers, two missle launchers and two Veteran sargents with CQ weapons and bolt pistols.

Force Commander with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon.

Landspeeder with either a Heavy bolter or a Mult-Melta.

What should i purchase to upgrade these guys into a proper force?

And is there anywhere i can get just bits of weapons and such?

[The Despoiler]

You can order bits sprues online but they don't tend to sell many in the shops (maybe in Nottingham).
I would reccomend getting some scouts with sniper rifles and a predator also some assault marines would do well in your army to make it more versatile.