Emperor?

[Dagg]

since I took interest in dow i started reading about wh 40k universe. could you guys tell me who is this?
http://us.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/games/40k/spacemarines/extras/art/images/2b.jpg

could it be the mighty Emperor?

[whats_true]

no, Defanatly not the Emporer. the Emporer is a rotting corpse in the golden throne. i am not sure if this is a character, but to me it looks like a commander of the UM. they might have more on this


If you ask me, you should have asked this in th Fluff part of the section.

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this was the Emporer before the Heresy
http://www.gameforums.ru/uploads/306479-emperor.jpg

[CenturionCajun]

That is either Marneus Calgar (current Chapter Master of the Ultramarines) or Roboute Guilliman (the Primarch of the Ultramarines). The Emperor, when he was still active, wore a suit of Golden Armor and had dark hair.

http://sabertoothgames.com/horus/news.jsp

The guy in the middle of the pic a little down is the Emperor.

[Anakaris]

This who ye be looking for:

Marneus Calgar (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/catalog/spacemarines/sm_MarneusC.htm)

[Macharius]

Most likely the Primarch, Space Marines that massive are a rare sight. Hes big, even for a Space Marine.

[nodachi]

IIRC those gloves he is whereing are some superrelic which combines 2 powerfists with 2 bolters (one below each fist) or heavy bolters, i dont remember which

[CenturionCajun]

Yeah, they function as a storm bolter in battle but still allow him to fight in close combat with a power fist. I believe they are called the "Gauntlets of Ultramar" or something along those lines. The Chapter Master of the Ultramarines wears them as part of his armor.

I agree that that is probably Roboute Guilleman considering the Horus Heresy era marine armor behind him.

[Long_Shot]

No. That's Marneus Calgar.

How do I know? I've touched the new Codex Space Marines, and that's the picture they have to show him. The artist was a bit too joyous with showing off his size.

[Anakaris]

No. That's Marneus Calgar.

How do I know? I've touched the new Codex Space Marines, and that's the picture they have to show him. The artist was a bit too joyous with showing off his size.

Well, given the fact that in both the model and the picture he's got a bionic eye on the left side.

[CenturionCajun]

How did you get that blessed tomb two months early? I must know!

[Dagg]

thanks you guys. still I'm a bit disaspointed that thats not the Emperor.Damn this guy is big ;/

I have some more questions through :D hope you dont mind

What are Dreads? Why do they say "even in death i serve" or "i have returned" .I mean those are mortaly wounded marines in there or something?

What are skull probes? This unit looks more like a chaos unit ;/

[Gerog]

Marneus Calgar > You
Gauntlets of Ultramar > All

Whilst on the topic of the Primarch.. Where is he?
Thats the only gripe i have about this game.. None of my favourite Special Characters
Where is Marneus? Where is Dante (for you blood angels scum ;))
Im hoping a mod will be made to include some of these characters

Dreadnaughts are basically badly injured space marines wired into a walking bomb shelter, with guns

[Two Beans]

What are Dreads? Why do they say "even in death i serve" or "i have returned" .I mean those are mortaly wounded marines in there or something?

What are skull probes? This unit looks more like a chaos unit ;/

The space marine equivilant of "life support" with guns and powerfists. Chaos Dreds are the same, except the marines inside usually aren't as happy about it.

And I think I read somewhere that the probes are skulls taken from traitors, heretics, and criminals all bionic-ed out to better serve the Emperor.

[Triz]

Dreadnoughts are technically sacrophages with arms and feet: designed to hold the spirit of deceased (well as close as possible anyway) great Space Marines so they can continue to serve the Emperor. That's why they keep saying 'I have returned' (they were dead, but in the Dreadnought they can come back to fight).

Chaos Dreads are the same exept it hurts to be inside one of those (the reason why they are so pissed off).

[CenturionCajun]

They arn't spirits they are actual marines. Their bodies were so horribly injured that in order to keep them alive they were placed inside a Dreadnought. Only the greatest warriors earn this honor though. They can never leave the Dreadnought because its the only thing keeping them alive.

Chaos Dreadnoughts have Chaos Marines in them that usually didn't volunteer for the duty and were feeling fine before hand. This turns them into very pissed off and crazed killing machines on the battlefield.

Ork Dreadnoughts and Killa Kanz are just big old crazy Ork machines. They have an Ork inside pulling levers and driving them around. This means they arn't near as steady or powerful as the Marine versions and don't last long. Course, there are hundreds of them so that makes up for it.

[Kasrkin]

yea the guy is calgar...the Gauntlets of ultramar give it away ;)

if you want to see the emperor, then buy the new rulebook, (or just go in the shop and look) and go to page 127...the guy on the right covererd in gold is the man himself :D

the guy on the left in black is horus...and the guy lying dead by his feet is the blood angels primarch (sanguinius)

[sandy77uk]

I thought the ork dreadnought had a gretchin inside?

yeah that dude is the Ultramarines leader

if you can get a copy of rogue trader (2nd edition) or even a copy of the rule book for the Horus Heresy 1st edition then theres a superb pic of the emperor (basically a massive head inside a vat with all manner of cables and s**t coming out of him)

imagine the tubes the aliens are in, in independance day

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yea the guy is calgar...the Gauntlets of ultramar give it away ;)

if you want to see the emperor, then buy the new rulebook, (or just go in the shop and look) and go to page 127...the guy on the right covererd in gold is the man himself :D

the guy on the left in black is horus...and the guy lying dead by his feet is the blood angels primarch (sanguinius)

Thats an old old pic, unless they've re-draw it, and its a cool pic at that :D

[<DAB>FallenZero]

Def not the Emp. Just some tough Ultramarie. The emperor isn't even a marine, is he?

[kombat]

Whilst on the topic of the Primarch.. Where is he?

Well the primarch of the Ultramarines is said to be locked in a stasis field to avoid death. It is said that the Night Lords Primarch poisoned him and the have no antidote for it.

[Kasrkin]

but gulliman is slowly healing ;)

and sandy77uk...they have redrawn it...it looks really good :)

in the previous rule book, there was a dioramma with the emperor and horus...altho the emperor was all in white and horus was in red...i prefer the new pic :)

[Triz]

The Space Marines were created in the Emperor's likeness weren't they? It would explain why he looks like one himself.

[The Collector]

Skull probes are built from the skulls of dedicated Imperial servants. The skull of a Heretic is either for skull-piles or for stomping on.

That dude is probably Calgar, since Calgar got the Gauntlets of Ultramar from a Chaos Champion, long after Guillman died. The fluff describes him as a really big dude for a Marine.

[CenturionCajun]

Well, in the cover art for the upcoming 4th Edition Space Marine codex it shows Guilleman fighting in front of the Imperial Palace wearing the gauntlets so I'm thinking they have been around since him. They have just lost the art of building them and can only maintain the pair that Calgar wears.

[LordBane]

It's Marneus Calgar, as everyone else has said. He's the leader of the Ultramarines. The Ultramarines were maligned a bit in the 3rd Edition rules and lumped into the "generic" marine pool with only a couple of underpowered characters to make them stand out from any other "vanilla marine" chapter.

Marneus Calgar is a joke in the 3rd Edition rules. 4 wounds, yes. Lots of attacks, sure. But no invulnerable save and the Gauntlets of Ultramar count as powerfists, so he always attacks LAST. Come on! A special character that is the leader of the (arguably) most powerful Space Marine chapter in the Imperium, and he's fodder for anything with a power weapon that crosses his path. Hell, even a meltagun or lascannon hit and he's hamburger. Tigurius isn't much better. The only decent special character the Ultramarines have in the 3rd Edition rules is Captain Invictus.

Chapters like the Blood Angels, Black Templars, White Scars, Space Wolves and Dark Angels are more popular because they have nifty special rules and characters that are actually plain old nasty.

I heard, however, that they have listened to the thousands of complaints about how gimped Marneus is and that he's going to be significantly buffed in the new Space Marines Codex. We'll have to see.

[CenturionCajun]

I love the Ultramarines with a passion and have a good size table top force of them. Their fluff is so great and I just love the stories about them defending Macragge during the Hive Fleet assault. I too have heard that they are getting a major upgrade and a more unique feel in the new Codex and I can't wait to see it.

[Iurius]

I love the Ultramarines with a passion and have a good size table top force of them. Their fluff is so great and I just love the stories about them defending Macragge during the Hive Fleet assault. I too have heard that they are getting a major upgrade and a more unique feel in the new Codex and I can't wait to see it.

I'm a fervent Ultramarine player too, and I can't wait either!
It wasn't the Night Lords Primarch, but the Emperors Children Primarch (in mostly deamonic form) who poisoned Roboute. Roboute did kill him though...

And the Space Marines' gene seed was taken from their Primarchs, who have a genetic connection to the Emperor. Thus making him kind of the super-grandfather of the bunch.
There is a chapter, namely the Grey Knights, which is said to have the gene seed of the Emperor himself...awesome
(another favorite of me in TT)

[waren_alkar]

Also, isn't terminator armor made using a piece (albeit a very tiny one) of the Emperor's armour? And Grey Knight armour uses much larger pieces?

At least, that's what I heard.

[PHoenix_UK]

Yeah, their is a single sliver of the emperors armour built into that large skull icon on the right shoulder of every terminator armour created. DOW kind of pumps out termies by the dozen, and you watch em get waxed fairly fast... in fluff those suits of armour are thousands of years old, and just keep on ticking...

Sadly in TT they die fairly often as well ::frowns::

[waren_alkar]

heh, yeah. That Emperor must've had once massive suit of armour.

Though back to the topic at hand. Looking over those Codex pics on the Games Workshop website, it's nice to see one for a Crimson Fist marine. For one of the very first chapters (way, way back when they only had MK5 armour marines) they haven't been well represented more recently. Their colour scheme wasn't bad either.

[<DAB>FallenZero]

The Space Marines were created in the Emperor's likeness weren't they? It would explain why he looks like one himself.

Are you sure? That sounds too much like something out of The Bible. But maybe you're right.

[xenos182]

it calagar he wears modified term/power armour is a weird combo. you can tell because size of his head is tiny in the armour primarchs were giants even compared to marines ( takes a primarch 3years to reach full size) as for terminator armour it isnt made anymore according to the fluff but it must be because alot term armour get waxed beyond repairablity quite often. ( was orginally the replacement for the mk armours but was found to be too heavy and difficult to maintain for long term production). there were marines before primarch with the emp using basic genetic modifying tech. the primarch were the ulitmate creation superhuman beings with a genetic code able to be used in normal humans ( ie gene seed) anyhow they were all identical genetic beings until the chaos gods sort put aside there fighting and sort chuck them in the warp, however even they didnt manage to destory them as it was beyond even them, but they did corrupt pretty much everyone capsule some were just werid like sanguinius with the wings ( although partial due to the radaition on baal) increased life and genetic code link ( his death scream damaged his gene seed thus the death company). obviously space wolves the fangs and body hair and increased senses. and some were down right corrupted inside but appeared loyal outside, horus and co ( just need to buff his pride enough for chaos gods to take affect)

as for primarch power aside from horus with his choas enhanced gifts they were no near as powerful as the emp but sanguinius killed the biggest bloodthrister ever encountered during the battle for the emp place at the ulitmate gate and russ killed a titan ( jumped off a skyscraper)

[PHoenix_UK]

The OLD SKOOL fluff basically was that the emperor was some form of deity on earth kind of guy (though it never confirmed that he WAS a god, just that he was an extremely powerful... individual). He created the Primarchs to be the genetic templates for the space marine legions, twenty in total, and the chaos gods, realising the power inherent in these primarchs, stole the growth chambers and threw them into the warp... hence the poor buggers all turned up in random systems and a fair few of them had odd mutations to deal with... that they've passed on to their genetic "Children", the marines.

Sadly the original "Star Child" storyline for the emperor, his reincarnation etc... has been slowly lost over the years of development, and we're left with a big void as to exactly whats going to happen to the decrepit old piece of flesh... though he looks a hell of a lot healthier in the 3rd ed artwork than he ever did.

As for Marneus Calgar, he's an exceptional leader, but bear in mind he isn't known for his brutal combat abilities or his overwhelming strength etc... he is known as a magnificent leader of men, diplomat, overseer and generally all round "Kind of guy you'd vote for president in a perfect world" bloke... He isn't meant to be an insanely powerful marine (though he's certainly a hard ass and no mistake), and certainly shouldn't be compared to the likes of Logan, Ragnar, or even the campest of camp, the blood angels.

He's everything a marine should be, but on top of that he's an exceptional governor and administrator... hence the reason the realm of ultramar is so bountiful.

[Hostage]

does every primarch has "special powers" ? russ got keen senses and fangs ,sanguin got wings etc.?

[CenturionCajun]

Well, they each had their own area of expertise that they developed. It was because their bodies adapted to the environments that they grew up in.

[Triz]

And because Games Workshop wanted to distinguish the Chapter's :P. Ultramarines has the least (if any?) special qualities, atleast they did before the new Codex. Thats why most people thought of them as the 'Vanilla' Marines.

I read in White Dwarf they wanted that to change though.

[Furiousmonkey]

Special abilities of primarchs

Sanguinius, Blood angels: fastest and best in melee, had wings . Died fighting horus

Leman Russ, Space wolves: Strongest in h t h. dissapeared after saying he would return at wolftime

Lion El Johnson, dark angels: Very strong with sword. Fought his second in command who turned chaos. citadel blown apart. saved his second in command and turned him back from chaos. dissapeared. expected to come back with Russ

Rogal Dorn, Imperial fists: Defence expert. Launched an attack on a chaos barge. all they found was his skeletal fist

Roboute, Ultramarines: Strategist and thinker. Chaos fulgrim slashed his neck. as he was dying they put a statis field around him. Thought to be healing

Jaghati Kahn, White scars: Lightning raid expert. Dissapeared into eldar webway during raid

Corax, Raven guard : Infiltrator. somewhere on eldar craftworld in the black library studying how to defeat chaos

Vulcan, salamanders: Stubborness.Dissapeared expected to come back

Ferrus Manus, Iorn hands: Machine expert led final push against horus's fortress never seen again. might come back

And now the despicible traitors who cast their lot with horus during the heresy.

Horus, Black legion: warmaster. Sanguinious made a hole in his armour in the final battle of the heresy on horus's barge. Horus killed him with a psycic attack and then the emperor fought him. Horus tore off the emperors arm and eye before the emperor could gut him.

mortariton, Death legion: Ability to resist toxins. lives in the eye of terror

Angron, worldeaters: bezerker, lives in eye of terror

Fulgrim, Emperors children. Genetic expert. some say dead some say alive noone but he knows the truth

Magnus the red, thousand sons: psyker. lives in eye of terror

Night haunter, night lords: Crazed psycopath. assasinated

Peturabo, iron warriors: Siege expert. lives in eye of terror

Alpharius, Alpha legion: master of tricks. Roboute killed him with one sword strike

lorgar, word bearers: master of words: lives in eye of terror

I hope that helped.

my personal fav is sanguinius

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ohh and pheonix

DONT EVER CALL THE BLOOD ANGELS CAMP. THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST AND THE SECOND MOST MOST LIKED CHAPTER OF SPACE MARINES AFTER THE SPACE WOLVES.

well according to a poll they did on games workshop a while back.

[3zekiel]

Ah, yes, the Blood Angels. I used to play the tabletop game and we (my Blood Angel playing buddy and my Dark Angels) took on our smart-assed Tyranid friend and whomped him good. Not a kosher game by the book rules, but the point counts evened out. Where'd my Dark Angels place on that poll, anyway?

[XavionDeosXIV]

Agreed, the Blood Angels pwn. The angels of death codex is my fav :bandit:

[Dubplate]

Two Beans,

That Soviet Marine team is kick ass! Thank you.

[Last_Crusade]

How does the last post relate to here? Anyways... I think some of my fluff is messed up. I know Guilliman was poisoned and put into stasis when fulgrim cut his throat. Alpharius was also killed by Guilliman. But i thought angron was dead too killed as a demon prince. I cant remember where...

[Iurius]

Guilliman defeated Fulgrim first, and later succombed to his wounds. Angron was banished on Armageddon by the chamber militant of the Ordo Malleus: The Grey Knights

Ultramarines are not to be ignored just because they don't have flashy special rules....I wonder what the codex has in store for us

[Triz]

It's Marneus, because when you go to www.games-workshop.com and then check out the SM page it has that picture, called Marneus-small.jpg

[3zekiel]

Generalized SM battlecry: "FOR THE EMPEROR! DEATH TO THE FOE!!!!!"

[CenturionCajun]

Angron wasn't killed by that he was just forced to head back to the Eye of Terror. He still lives there killing like a maniac in the name of the Blood God.

[Reapray]

Wasn't Lion El Johnson also extremely resiliant to toxins and damage? He survived for 10 years alone on Caliban, one of the Imperiums most deadly death worlds when he should've died within the first few minutes of exposure.
He also grew to look more lion than man (though the mutation didn't pass through his geneseed as it did with the Space wolves.)

[mercy]

:smash: :smash: my belefi from friends that have read some books about 40k is that th emperor is jesus second coming or so owning ork gos to chaos gods later being stabbed by some chaos dude the emp bleived he killed in the bak and aws placed in the golden throne - life support of somthing

[Smokeypancake]

How are Blood Angels camp? On a roll of 1, they have to move closer to the enemy. That would mean they are the LEAST campy of Space Marine armies.

[Trenchus Ratus]

I haven't played TT in years but when I last fought against the Blood Angels, Commander Dante looked like a fairy standing on tip-toe weilding a magic wand (my opponents paint job didn't help either). I think I noticed that right before Abbaddon slapped the shit out of him for being a big gay :)

(take that with a pinch of salt ;) )

[Mephet'ran]

How are Blood Angels camp? On a roll of 1, they have to move closer to the enemy. That would mean they are the LEAST campy of Space Marine armies.
Hmmm. let me see. When we charge, we get an additional two characteristic bonuses. We forgoe shooting, but you can't shoot and charge with bolters anyway. So: Getting closer = charging faster and Blood Angels = unparalleled in combat 1st turn(they can match up to GK) so yeah... I see how their movement bonuses are a bad thing.

[Smokeypancake]

Mephet'ran, that was the entire point of my post. I was defending the Blood Angels. Plus they get the Death Company and Furioso Dreadnaughts.

[General Blaze]

Death Company = Uber Meatshields of death. :p

[Andaius]

Ok, that was Marnius Calgar, I play the Ultramarines and am well versed in the WH40k fluff, epecially the ultras. Those "big hands" that you speak of are the "Gauntlets of Ultramar" won from a foul chaos lord in battle by Gulliman himself (Ultramainres Primarch) They are twin powerfists with built in bolters that fire together in effect like a strom bolter. Ok lesson over! ;)

If you want to see a pic of the Emperor here's one here (http://www.coolminiornot.com/76202) I couldn't find the whole pic of him facing Horus like in the new 4th edition manual. I happened on this mini w/ a "insparation pic" that is basicly a hacked off focused on the emperor only verion of that. You can also see that guys fantastic work in trying to model "Him on Earth".

Thats if anyone is still interested, so Dagg if your still looking thats what the Emperor looked like in his glory days.

[Question]

Someone should pull out the pic of marneus calgar with "bling bling" jewellery.

As a side note.....i cant fathom why this is considered dow strategy.....

[Andaius]

I don't either, I was just answering the question ;)

[Gammadion]

Here's the only picture of the Emperor that I'm aware of before he was put on the Golden Throne. It shows Horus and the Emperor squaring off aboard Horus's Battle Barge, with the body of Sanguinus underfoot.

http://www.games-workshop.es/warhammer40k/campanas/horus/images/horus_vs_emperor.jpg

Basically, Horus was the Emperor's favored son who betrayed him and turned half the Space Marines to Chaos. Horus attacked Earth and nearly won, but the Emperor was able to teleport himself and some of the loyal Primarchs (as well as some soldiers) to Horus's Barge (A battle barge is a tremendously huge spaceship designed for troop transport and orbital bombardment). Sanguinus reached Horus's chamber first and unwisely challenged him before the Emperor got there.

The Emperor utterly destroyed Horus, but suffered wounds so great the only way to save his life was to place him on the Golden Throne, which is a massive life-support system among other things.

Here's a small version of the re-doing of the picture. The full version is in the 40k book and is just jaw-dropping IMO.

http://sabertoothgames.com/horus/images/lore/hh_as_emperorvshorus.jpg

[First And Only]

Wooow I haven't seen that pic, looks like it was taken from the Horus Heresy CCG.

*sniff* Poor Sanguinius!

You know it's funny, but I never made the connection of the symbol for the "Eye of Horus" with the "Eye of Sauron" until now.

[Gammadion]

They're printed in different editions of the rulebook. The black and white one was from the first edition, the color one is from the new fourth edition. Pages 126 and 127; a full 2-page spread for that image. It's just plain sweet.

There's not really an Eye of Horus artifact that I'm aware of. There is the Talon of Horus that Abbadon uses, though.

Edit: Those eyes would probably be symbols of Tzneetch. Horus served Chaos Ascendant (and is the only one other than Abbadon to have done so), so he'd have symbols from all four gods and Undivided as well. The shredded skins would be Slanaash, mummified heads could be blight grenades from Nurgle, and Khorne doesn't really need symbols, just lots of killing.

The Emperor's sword or claws would be a cool weapon, but as far as I know the only relic he's left is the Crux Terminatus, the small shard of his armor placed into the shoulder pad of every Terminator suit that gives it its supernatural defensive qualities.

[First And Only]

I distinctly remembering there being a chaos symbol called the "Eye of Horus" that is shown in that artwork, but I could be wrong.

[Aron_DeTomado]

That pic was allso included as a poster in the WD 300.

[n0z3k1ll3r]

Hmmm. let me see. When we charge, we get an additional two characteristic bonuses. We forgoe shooting, but you can't shoot and charge with bolters anyway. So: Getting closer = charging faster and Blood Angels = unparalleled in combat 1st turn(they can match up to GK) so yeah... I see how their movement bonuses are a bad thing.CSM parallel them exactly. Furious charge = Blood Angel charge only without the compulsory movement.

[TheLoneKnight]

You know, looking at the initial poster's picture.. I gotta say, that Ultramarine could hide a dozen children in each of his hands and no one would ever notice.

I mean, those are giant freaking hands.

You know, it must be a real pain in the butt for him to shave in the morning. I mean, just imagine him trying to hold a straight razor with those hands. He'd either snap it, or lose it in those gigantic freaking hands.

*stares and obsesses further*

[n0z3k1ll3r]

I think they're powerfists... powerfists are always bloody huge for some inane reason. Trying to shave in a powerfist would also be an extremely bad idea. You'd lose the razor and probably your entire head.

Reminds me of one of the best WH40k comics I ever saw... Imperial Guard Colonel with a powerfist going up to a farseer... "No hard feelings... Shake on it"

[General Blaze]

I have GOT to see that comic someday. :D

[n0z3k1ll3r]

heh... draw one yourself Blaze, your good enough.

[General Blaze]

Me? Nahh. I know a lot more people at deviantart who are way better than me. :p