What's so special? [Archive] - Relicnews Forums

El Russo

26th Apr 05, 7:51 PM

I swear this screenie (http://www.relicnews.com/images/coh/courtyard2.jpg) is nigh-on identical (in terms of style, building and soldier placement, as well as tactics it seems) to a mission of Medal of Honor (I think) I played at a mate's house the other day.

Odd that, considering I rarely play these sort of games. However, this one does have my attention. Hope it stays that way...

terracomm7

26th Apr 05, 8:12 PM

I just hope it doesnt focus around the US like every other WW2 game... gets dull and repetative.

Soulblighter

26th Apr 05, 8:14 PM

it focuses on able company in the united states armed forces... whether that means the airborne or army we dont know.

IcecreamLtDan

26th Apr 05, 9:03 PM

I need a little more information than Able company to answer that. Omaha beach was where the 1st and 29th infantry divisions as well as the 2nd and 5th Army Rangers came ashore. There were several able companies though, I assume, it's probably based on one of the Army Ranger groups. Omaha beach was the bloodiest assault of D-day and is where the movie "Saving Private Ryan" is based on.

ObsceneName

26th Apr 05, 9:26 PM

I believe the 4th division was on Omaha beach too.

IcecreamLtDan

26th Apr 05, 10:34 PM

Actually I believe they were at Utah beach. Take a look here.

http://www.ku.edu/heritage/abilene/ikedday.html

or here

http://www.sproe.com/o/overlord.html

A176

27th Apr 05, 3:38 PM

i am not impressed

where are the canadians

Maximus Decimus

27th Apr 05, 3:53 PM

Running over the hill counting how many germans there are for the americans :salute:

Zurgnoff

27th Apr 05, 3:57 PM

They tried a landing in 1942, didn't work so well.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-die-e.htm
At D-day, they landed on Juno Beach.

Burns

27th Apr 05, 8:20 PM

Well it looks good. I have a feeling its going to be kickass though!

IcecreamLtDan

27th Apr 05, 8:44 PM

A176, are you asking where the Canadians are in the game, or where were they during D-Day? They were involved heavily in the D-day invasion and i'd be happy to give you some links to read if interested.

General Nuke Em

27th Apr 05, 9:09 PM

The Canadians are jumping into Berlin to kill Hitler, following Uberjumper's lead. ;)

n0z3k1ll3r

28th Apr 05, 1:31 AM

They tried a landing in 1942, didn't work so well.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-die-e.htm
At D-day, they landed on Juno Beach.On the contrary, the Dieppe raid was a success. Just not in the definition of "success" you're probably meaning. The aim was always to test what tactics, weapons, etc would work against Hitler's Atlantic Wall without alerting the Germans to the fact they were doing it.

TheLoneKnight

28th Apr 05, 1:46 PM

I, too, want to see multiple nations represented in the "Allies" side. Not just those annoying Americans. I want to see Canadians, Australians, English, and the dozens of other Nations that were involved in the war.

If only because Americans always get the "omg, we saved the world. YOU OWE US!" thing in these sorts of games. It's always American this, American that.. Ugh.. =_=

Zurgnoff

28th Apr 05, 7:40 PM

The problem with including a lot of allied nations in games like this, is that a lot of the equpiment they used was standardized with the other nations involved (for example the Sherman), and although they certainly had some of their own distinct equipment, most of it (especially infantry weapons) wounldn't function in a noticeably different manner, or it simply isn't well known enough for the mass market to care about. Essentially what you come out with is a group of armies with different accents and uniforms, that all play the same. The same goes for the Axis, honestly who is bothered that the Austrians probably won't be making an appearence?

SquidDNA

28th Apr 05, 7:47 PM

Hi, mod them in!

I mean, Relic and THQ want to sell games. Yeah, its kind of disappointing that your favorite nation gets left out because they focus on the story with the most market appeal. Well, this is your opportunity to tell a story about it by doing it yourself.

A176

29th Apr 05, 6:34 PM

squid: i dont know if i should laugh at that post or not :(

Bonnet

29th Apr 05, 10:43 PM

I am so going to mod in the French.

Zurgnoff

30th Apr 05, 12:19 AM

French standing military at the start of the war, the french resistance, or Vichy France?

Starblade

30th Apr 05, 7:02 AM

I demand that Uber be a hero unit in the game. ;)

Bonnet

30th Apr 05, 1:57 PM

The standing military at the start of the war, the entire army will have a special move activated 15 minutes into the game, it will be called "Retreat".

KPMaker

1st May 05, 1:40 AM

Some of you cry babies, if you don’t like America Themed games then get off the posts, don’t buy the game, and go sulk in the corner with your can of worms. :cry:

The U.S. might not be perfect but they contributed on a great scale to combat the threat of Fascism and the threat of Communism. They also give more aid than just about any other country in existence. So yes the world does owe the U.S. some gratitude, instead they get slammed left and right while most countries sit on their butts and do nothing; unthankfulness and pacifism are the key words of the day.

Though, I do agree that I would like to see more than just the U.S. and Germans in the game. I’m hoping at least 4 fractions; maybe the U.S., Germany, the British, and Russians. I would also like to see maybe an option to recruit some special units such as the French resistance, the Canadians, or the Italians. Also, Japan and some Indian code talkers for an expansion, corresponding to the latter part of the war.

Lastly, I think throwing in some special units per fraction will make the game much more special. (e.g. U.S. Rangers, French Spies, the famous SAS and stealthy commandos, and so on…) :up:

terracomm7

1st May 05, 2:04 AM

Canada contributed since the start of the second world war and defended britain, US finally got off their ass cause of Japan in 1943.. otherwise they would of most likely continued their isolation (if Hitlet did not declare war on them either ), but that is water under the bridge . Anyways got a little off topic, wondering if it has an euphoric multiplayer experience :p with various win conditions, and what else they will bring to the game that is different.

Ammon Ra

1st May 05, 3:32 AM

WW1/2 games are over done.

"how many allies does it take to take a beach-head?"
or
"how many assasinations does it take to kill hitler?"
or
"how many bunkers must be taken to force the axis forces to retreat?"

And TBH the graphics of those screenshots looks like a HL WW2 mod...Dod maybe? for an rts that's quite good, but still, WW1, and two have been overdone.

who cares about destroyable terrain, in the end Tank rushes and scout rushes will win. :p

However it does appear that relic is moving more towards a more "Ground control" type of game genre, which is good, 'cuz there is no notification of how you'll get your units.

And yes i would have prefered a space RTS, or atleast a WW3 scenario, or a space-ground rts, or something more "interesting"...

Aron_DeTomado

1st May 05, 4:56 AM

I wonder... If the Allies get SAS wil the Axis get Lufthansa?

Retroboy

1st May 05, 6:44 AM

[o/t, kinda]
I think anyone that starts ranting about what country did what in the second world war and how that makes them better or worse as a country should be kicked. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge the facts of what actions were taken in the context of a game or to speculate on what the game will contain based on historical reality, but it's quite simply trolling or flamebaiting to start frothing at the mouth with nationalism or anti-[insertCountryHere] sentiment.

[edit to correct typo as per Starblade]This is a game-focussed forum, not one for political debate. Move the nationalism crap to a GD thread if you'd like, but keep this forum on the subject of Company of Heroes, otherwise we'll be wading into a morass.

-- Retro

Starblade

1st May 05, 7:13 AM

Retro, I'm pretty sure this IS a game-focused forum.

EDIT: I like how the ad at the top of the thread right now (on my screen, anyway) is about wargear.

Soulblighter

1st May 05, 9:50 AM

Canada contributed since the start of the second world war and defended britain, US finally got off their ass cause of Japan in 1943..

1. 1941
2. we were sending supplies as well to britain
3. FDR wanted to go to war, however the people he represented did not want to, due to the great depression and the fact that people still remembered the first world war and the last thing we wanted was to be involved in another bloody mess in europe.

I could go on to say that if it was not for Hitler's mistake of bombing London for 60 straight days due to his anger over the bombing of Berlin, thus avoiding key airfields and other important targets for two months, and allowing the RAF to rebuild, was the true key to victory for the brits... however such a calus statement would insult those who lived in London, and showed more bravery then i can possibly imagine.

I could also mention that if it was not Hitler's mistake at Dunkirk, listening to his Luftwaffe commander, thus stopping any forward progress of the armor and infantry giving three days to the british forces to escape across the channel due to cloudy conditions that stopped the use of the airforce.

btw welcome to the forums:). It will definately be interesting to see what E3 brings and how much of the gameplay is shown to press.

Scribble

1st May 05, 9:59 AM

2. we were sending supplies as well to britain

Ahem... the operative word is Selling, not sending :P

eskimo_socks

1st May 05, 11:04 AM

We can all sit here and be nationalist, Esinhower did some damn idiotic things in Europe which were dominated more by politics rather than any military priorities.

But frankly if Hitler was a bit more astute and didn't make some of the mistakes he made (mostly, attempting to invade Russia, but also deciding to bomb london rather than the airfield), we would most likely be sitting in a Europe led by the Nazi's now.

IcecreamLtDan

1st May 05, 12:32 PM

Guys, please keep the discussion civil. All countries involved in WWII did their fair part during the war. No need to point fingers about things that happened over 60 years ago. I would suggest that some of you check the history books before posting dates and such.

A176

2nd May 05, 2:56 PM

simple fact of the matter (as ammon said) -> "just another war game"

Penitent

3rd May 05, 7:20 AM

So defensive all of a sudden, someone said they hoped there were more nations represented in the campaign, no one acused the US or anyone of anything...

Anyway, what lines will the campaign follow? Big battles and assaults with lots of troops, or raids and smaller scale stuff with a couple of tanks and a hundred men?
Juding by the graphics I guess the latter since they look quite demanding, I'm not sure if my computer can handle it actually, then again DoW works fine on it if I keep some of the settings on low.

"just another war game"
Like all RTS's? :D
It all boils down to tanks, infantry and maybe flying units really in the majority of RTS games and a map to fight on, unless its space based like Homeworld I guess, if you get tired of that your tired of RTS games.

A176

3rd May 05, 3:10 PM

Recent wwii games should have something unique (and blatant) in order to attract an audience.

The MoH series was liked because its modern graphics, coupled with real life scenarios, provided on helluva experience of war. CoD was loved because it had more of a storyline than its competitor MoH. Even RTCW/ET were amazing because of the asskicking action.

What does Company of Heroes have to offer me? Just deformable terrain?

We say "just another war game" because most of it has already been done to death in this current gaming generation. The only thing that would draw me towards CoH would have to be a cinematic experience even better than the recent Brothers in Arms.

TBS

3rd May 05, 3:22 PM

You have a good point, until E3 I dont think any of us will know exactly what CoH has to offer that is truly unique.

n0z3k1ll3r

7th May 05, 10:44 PM

I'd really like a British focus for once. They're about the only nation that fought for the entire duration of the war, from the invasion of Poland to the defeat of Japan. They contributed more to D-Day than the Americans (I'd say 75% of the ships + their entire nation as a launch base counts as more ;)), and without Britain as a launching platform the US couldn't have done squat.

Plus you'd get more variety, between the American Lend-Lease tanks like Shermans and Pershings, and the British Cromwell and Churchill tanks (both of which are awesome)

Mirage Knight

9th May 05, 12:09 PM

I'll second that request for British armour and infantry. It wasn't just the Americans that won the war in the west. In addition to establishing a larger foothold at Normandy, the British secured major cities including Antwerp - a large port city that proved vital to the Allies' advance into the Reich.

Funny you should mention the Cromwell n0z3 - it was actually superior to the M4 Sherman in several respects.

n0z3k1ll3r

10th May 05, 9:54 PM

The Sherman was crap in all respects bar the one that counted: production capability. 50,000 crap tanks is still a force to be reckoned with. The Cromwell on the other hand remains in my opinion one of the best medium tanks of the war, being faster than almost any other comparable tank along with a quite highpowered cannon.

Burns

16th May 05, 10:05 AM

I hope it doesnt turn out to be Americans vs Germans. The setting has been done... to death, something new wouldve been nice. I do like the whole destructive terrain bit. the recent PC Gamer has a great before and after shot of a battle, and it looks crazy. I hope this game will be well optimized.

n0z3k1ll3r

16th May 05, 9:59 PM

Having just seen the film Downfall, I'm beginning to think a German perspective in a game would be... amazing. Not just "play as the germans" but understanding what it would really have been like fighting in the Wehrmacht at the end, the sheer force of desperation being all that kept them in the war.

Almost sad really... the Wehrmacht was arguably the greatest fighting force in history, they deserved better than the slow 6 year death they got...

CrimsonAngel

17th May 05, 1:17 AM

I woude like the germans to actuly talk german or atleast use a Heavey german accent.

Its true the Wehrmacht was a stong fighting force the problem is it over extendet it self.

Dizzy...

Demon_Eyes

20th May 05, 4:37 PM

Well after reading all the E3 stuff, I can safely say all the USA-Bashers will want to skip this game ;) good stuff on covering Able company. I am truly impressed with the advances in the RTS genre that the title is trying to accomplish, less micromanagment of units and more focus on the strategy of the game, the physics will add a lot of dynamics as well. I am Total history buff though I don't always remember things that well, as such I enjoy the WW2 theme since it is my favorite history topic.

Company of heroes looks like it will change the standard for RTS, at least for me, in a similar way Call of Duty did for me with FPS games with its immersive gameplay, AI(at the time) and the nice touches such as ironsights/grenade and mortar effects on view etc, if the game can pull off everything that is intended.

Radeonis

21st May 05, 7:33 PM

hey all first post on these forums!

Well I would just like to chip in my 2 cents. I know that No matter how much we want Relic to add in all the nations that played a part in the war I dont think it will be really a option. I can only think that they will come out with somthing like they did in DoW that lets you custimize your units colors and such. With that they might make you able to put on the design other contries have, other then that I think it will be a American dominated Campaign.

TheLoneKnight

21st May 05, 8:38 PM

That's just it-- this game ISN'T about WW2 on the larger scale. It's about a single company of American soldiers (paratroopers, I believe), who were dropped/sent in at Normandy. They went on to pwn Germans all over the place 'til the war ended.

I doubt we'll see custom army painting, however.. Maybe custom insignia (ie; for the sides of tanks or whatnot). But to be fair, in that era there weren't exactly alot of "pink 'umiez". Though it would be completely, and acceptably, hilarious if there were. :D

I just wish we could get a WW2 game that DIDN'T focus on Americans once and a while. :(

I mean, what's the point of a WORLD WAR when only two sides are ever shown? ._.

General Nuke Em

21st May 05, 9:10 PM

They fought all over the world?

Radeonis

22nd May 05, 12:40 AM

I dont see why if they included it in DoW why they wouldn't in CoH. It wouldnt seem that hard, atleast from my perspective

TheLoneKnight

22nd May 05, 12:50 AM

The fighting was world wide, but it was a World War because most of the world was actually involved in it. Australia, all of North America, Russia, Italy, Japan, China, all of Europe, not to mention the battles that went into Africa.

Not just Americans and Germans, as video games so often portray. :(

As for the paint scheme thing: I just don't see it happening. Warhammer 40k was awesome because of its different races and teams within each race-- the custom editor was there to help you realise at least a visual representation of just about any race-based team that you could get.

Also: I just don't think I can take fighting innumerable Pink-uniformed Germans in multiplayer. I think my brain would just explode.

Radeonis

22nd May 05, 10:36 AM

You have a really good point there....I my head would explode seeing about 100 pink uniformed germans running at me also.

Ammon Ra

23rd May 05, 2:45 AM

Its true the Wehrmacht was a stong fighting force the problem is it over extendet it self.
Exact same reason why the roman empire crumbled, and the US is starting to feel the effects of over-stretched forces aswell. [not an invitationto talk about current geopolitics]

Pink shermans...? :rofl: I'd burst out laphing, which would probably give victory to the pink shermans...hehe. Wouldn't add to the realism, so how wlse would the teams be customizeable, if, indeed MP is only USA vs 3rd reich Germany.