HomeWorld Two Missions

[Koshy]

How about a mission In Homeworld 2 where you go back in time to say stop the Turanic from attacking in the last Mission or Maybe you are the one who disabled the defenses on the Hyperspace inhibitor. Just a few interesting ideas.

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Koshy brother of Kosh Cousin to Bob

[Koshy]

:)

[Koshy]

:)

[Omi-kun]

How about an 'expansion pack' where you get to play as some of the minor races, such as the Turanics, Kadeshi, and the likes. But the main campain things well be where you win, and if you like you can play against the missions where the Kushan wins and you'll have to try to defeat them.

[skywalker]

From what I've seen the races are NOTHING like HW/C... :/

But there should be multiple race support, and inverted storylines. By that I mean that if in HW SP you played as the "bad guys", you could play as the kadeshi, turanics, etc and try and stop the evil evil kushans from getting to hiigara, etc
Like opposing force to halflife.

[BeatBoyNBK]

With all those races involved, I will need a DVD-player onces HW2 launches... :D

And these are expensive months... :(

[Tygre]

Time Travel = Evil. No time travel, plz relic.

[BeatBoyNBK]

Originally posted by Tygre
Time Travel = Evil. No time travel, plz relic.

Don't want to cause- or solve any time paradoxes.
They tend to be a reasonable source for a headache.

It's either that, or I've been watching too much Star Trek :D.

[Arioch]

Time travel is the crutch of the bored science fiction writer. Right up there with parallel universes, mind-posessing aliens and the holodeck malfunction in terms of plot-abuse. :)

[MrNonchalant]

I have to agree with him there.

[Sun]

not causing the time paradox while at the same time saving the galaxy from completly falling into a useless darkage would be an interesting twisted challenge to a mission... highly entertaining, but the Turanic Raiders did not help the emperor at the last battle at Hiigara cause they were too busy running from the Black Death Union. ;)

[Tygre]

Although they could make it so that as soon as you create a time paradox in the time travel mission that every point in the area has a MS explosion...thereby ending time and space by locking up your computer.

[reki]

actually, this is a cool idea - i hear relic were going to introduce some characters to hw2.. maybe Marty McFly could pilot your MS and Doc could replace Karen Sjet as fleet command?

"Great Scott!!! We're under attack!!"

[Reaver]

and the time machine can be the MS and Carrier, hehhe, wonder what the hover board would be?

[MrNonchalant]

howabout, your caffiene fueled, over-active imaginations?

[Koshy]

It wouldent cause a time Parodox because if the hyperspace inhib. defences were disabled in HomeWorld due to you traveling back in time then you would have had to travel back in time to prevent a time parodox because your going back in time would have already have happened in the future and afected the past

[MrNonchalant]

Let's try to work through that one:

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[Tygre]

He said you had to go back and do it because it already happened.

However, if you fail, there would be a really messy time paradox. Like i said, Time Travel = ev0l.

Then again...if it worked in the past, you're guaranteed to accomplish the mission based on the fact that you DID. Anything you do will be what had happened...and then it gets all confusing again. I don't mean to be redundant, but

Time travel = the most confusing sci-fi concept you can come up with.

[MrNonchalant]

I understood what he was saying, as a concept. Heck, all someone has to do to understand that aspect of time travel is read Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern books, there's one in particular which I can't remember now. What I didn't understand was the relevance to the storyline. For instance:
hyperspace inhib. defences were disabled in HomeWorld You had to destroy them in Mission 14: Bridge of Sighs. Therefore, no time travel, no problem.

[Koshy]

I may be mistaken but in homeworld didnt they say that the reason they chose this particular inhibitor is because its automated defences had malfunctioned or something that is what I ment when I said the hyperspace inhibitors defences and I always thought that was very nice how its defences just exploded right when we were making our return to Homeworld.

[Tygre]

Possibly a member of the imperial resistance did that...or it was really just a malfunction based on really really really lucky coincidence. I know what you're getting at, but if you want to make time travel as realistic as games are expected to be now, you have to factor in all those other things about paradoxes and stuff, which frankly gives everyone headaches except the writers who get paid for it. (plus the people in migrane research studies :p) And don't say a game doesn't have to be that realistic. Might as well cel-shade HW2 while you're at it.

[Koshy]

But just for the sake of an interesting mission where you would go bak in time having to be stealthy in order prevent your identity from being Known Perhaps the Bentusi tiped you off seeing as thier advanced tech.

[Zartax]

Time travel can never cause a paradox.

Now you say: What if you go back in time and kill your mother before she gave birth to you? That would create a paradox.

Then I say: Well, since you are here and alive you obviously didn't succeed in killing you mother when you went back in time.

Then you say: But I havn't traveled back in time yet, so I still have the chance.

To answer that I say: Well, that might be true but you do have arrived in and left the past a long time ago, and thus, in your future time travel back to the past you will not, or should I say didn't succeed in killing your own mother. The thing is when traveling back in time, you arrive before you leave.

[OmegaRenegade]

Going back in time and changing anything creates a paradox, take this for example: Lets say you went back in time and stopped the titanic from sinking, all fine and great, except that that would change the future (or present) and you couldn't have gone back in time to stop the sinking because it wouldn't have happened, thus creating a paradox. Course that only works in the time as a single linear stream theory, in Quamtum theory every event that occurs spins off into a new parallel reality, so lets say that the moment you started reading this a new universe was created identical to this one except you hadn't read this post. But in this theory time travel its impossible to change your present. Take the titanic theory again, in quamtum, you'd have to travel back in time, and into the universe that resulted from your universe being created (which is almost impossible since there are millions of universes being created every second according to quantum) and even if you could go back and undo it, every universe that was created from the titanics sinking would be destroyed since the event that spawned those new universes didn't happen. That destruction would also encompass your universe in which case you wouldn't have gone back in time to change anything because you weren't around, thus creating another paradox.

Ok, that's all, I gotta go get a coupla advil now.

BTW if your looking for a good time travel game try the Journeyman Project 2 or 3, or if you want to read a book that gave me a severe headache read "the end of eternity" by Issac Azimov. Timelines by Micheal Chrighton was good too.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by OmegaRenegade
Going back in time and changing anything creates a paradox, take this for example: Lets say you went back in time and stopped the titanic from sinking, all fine and great, except that that would change the future (or present) and you couldn't have gone back in time to stop the sinking because it wouldn't have happened, thus creating a paradox. Course that only works in the time as a single linear stream theory, in Quamtum theory every event that occurs spins off into a new parallel reality, so lets say that the moment you started reading this a new universe was created identical to this one except you hadn't read this post. But in this theory time travel its impossible to change your present. Take the titanic theory again, in quamtum, you'd have to travel back in time, and into the universe that resulted from your universe being created (which is almost impossible since there are millions of universes being created every second according to quantum) and even if you could go back and undo it, every universe that was created from the titanics sinking would be destroyed since the event that spawned those new universes didn't happen. That destruction would also encompass your universe in which case you wouldn't have gone back in time to change anything because you weren't around, thus creating another paradox.

Ok, that's all, I gotta go get a coupla advil now.

BTW if your looking for a good time travel game try the Journeyman Project 2 or 3, or if you want to read a book that gave me a severe headache read "the end of eternity" by Issac Azimov. Timelines by Micheal Chrighton was good too.

Did you read my post? Please do and then you might understand why time travel doesn't create paradoxes. This applies to the single linear stream theory, in which I believe.

About the quantum theory, I believe that there would be only one universe anyway, due to the fact(?) that the laws of physics will decide how everything reacts and happens. This will affect the world so that there is only one possible outcome of history. But thats another story. :)

[OmegaRenegade]

So you think that the time stream is stable enough to resist a time travelers efforts to change it, that by the fact that since you haven't done it you can't do it, or won't. But by going back in time to change anything would create either a paradox or simply a rather large cascading distortation wave, resetting the future to reflect the change in the past. Either way changing something in the past would cause something to happen, the time stream would be changed drasticly, maybe causeing a paradox. But whose to say a paradox is a bad thing?

[Red Kerensky]

time travel sux, how about instead some missions where u can be turanic raiders, bentusi tradeships and T-Mat, and Kadesh :D

[Mazar_Paktu]

i remember reading (but i might not have read it) somewhere that the hyperspace inhibitor had malfunctioned about ten years earlier, but maybe that's just me imagining things...

p.s. screw time travel, you'd have more paradoxes and loopholes in the plot than you can shake a stick at... didn't any of you read that short story? it was in the compitition.

[[RBA]Zero]

charector interation:
Scotty: We need more berrilium crystals. I think shes gonna blow.
IKill: O great now i have to take the tiadan with two acvs.
Scotty: You think thats bad. Did you eat the meatloaf in the cafeteria.....

more non-sense

1:o look is that an ion beam?
2:Um... dunno order an acv to investigate
ACV:Hell no! Im quitting. I applied for the new job at the cafateria.

even more non-sense

Captain: Look its the beast!
Officer(listening to headset):la la la
Captain: Officer send an order for a squad to intersept their scouts.
Officer:la la la
Captain: I said...
Scotty: I think im gonna be sick!
Captian: Meatloaf?
Scotty: yeah
Captian u know even the suicidal mimic drivers dont eat that stuff!

damn dialoge
i say t hell with charecter interaction
SPELLING AHH!

[Mad_Scientist]

What?
How did [RBA]Zero's post get here. It was in the character interaction thread.

[iwanthw2]

It's funny though, and it's not quite the same.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by OmegaRenegade
So you think that the time stream is stable enough to resist a time travelers efforts to change it, that by the fact that since you haven't done it you can't do it, or won't. But by going back in time to change anything would create either a paradox or simply a rather large cascading distortation wave, resetting the future to reflect the change in the past. Either way changing something in the past would cause something to happen, the time stream would be changed drasticly, maybe causeing a paradox. But whose to say a paradox is a bad thing?

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say here. You can change the past and by that affect the future. But whatever change you do when you go back in time has already happened, since the change was in the past. The things affected have also already changed, before you start your journey back in time. So whatever you plan to do in the past have already been done, by you, in the past, your destination.

[BaronX]

Single Player
2 possible races. Kush-Tai Alliance and their ally the ?

Missions 1-4
The continuing adventures of the Kush-Tai Alliance or ? VS the Taidan Imperium.

Missions 5-8
The threat from beyond (not Beast or biological or Borg) just a higher tech evil.

Missions 9-12
Finding out who the evil is and preparing a counterstrike.

Missions 13-18
The Galaxy at war. Meet up with all the old races and either fight or recruit them.

Multi Player
Joint missions or Deathmatch.
Joint Missions better. :D

My two cents.

[Tygre]

That's quite a long sig you've got there.

Aw, 18 missions again? Howzabout 24.

[Koshy]

I was thinking that if you went back in time and killed yourself being born wouldn't all your clothes and stuff stay there because they would have been created regardless of your death.

[BaronX]

Originally posted by Tygre
That's quite a long sig you've got there.

Aw, 18 missions again? Howzabout 24.

Sure 24 would be cool.
In fact lets go with 24 sp and 8 mp co-op mission with an expansion pack of 12 and 4.

more better :)
better good :D

[Zartax]

Originally posted by Koshy
I was thinking that if you went back in time and killed yourself being born wouldn't all your clothes and stuff stay there because they would have been created regardless of your death.

Well, how do you kill yourself in the past? If you die in the past, you cant live in the future, and cant go back and kill yourself. Therefore you cannot kill yourself in the past.

[Koshy]

You would to be able to kill yourself in the past but what it would do is delete your life in a wave and get rid of all you did and affected

[Tygre]

No, because you affected that moment that you went back in time, and you wouldn't be there to go back in the first place. If you were stupid enough to kill yourself in the past, the universe would lock up like the crappily made machine it is.

FORGET TIME TRAVEL CRAP! THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE!

Yes, multiplayer co-op sounds good. "Now you AND A FRIEND can cut a burning swath through the galaxy to get to one tiny planet!"

[Koshy]

You know that you post alot of replys on here

[Tygre]

Yes.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by Tygre
No, because you affected that moment that you went back in time, and you wouldn't be there to go back in the first place. If you were stupid enough to kill yourself in the past, the universe would lock up like the crappily made machine it is.

FORGET TIME TRAVEL CRAP! THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE!


Time travel isn't crap and it can never lock up the universe. :)

And here's why:

You are right in that if you kill yourself you woudn't be there to go back in the first place.

So, what happens if you go back and try to kíll yourself is that you fail to kill yourself.

You know (but have probably forgotten it, since it would otherwise be unusually stupid to go back in time and try to kill yourself) when you decide to go back that some years ago (for instance) someone who looked JUST like you (:)) tried to kill you, but failed. Then you go back, fail and realise that you were the one who failed some years ago.

The thing is, whatever is affected is affected BEFORE you start your travel, since your journey is through time. All the consequences of your journey through time can be read in the allready existing historybooks. Whatever you are about to do, you have already done.
The history doesn't rewrite itself to adapt to the changes you make, the history is written the right way at once, since all the changes you make are made when that history is created.

I know this sounds kind of complicated, but it really isn't, if you give it some minutes to settle down in your brain before you give it up. :)

[BaronX]

Originally posted by Zartax


Time travel isn't crap and it can never lock up the universe.

You are correct in my understanding BUT it still is a writers shortcut and I personally would not like to see it part of HW2.

I hope whatever they do is as original and fun as HW.

My two cents.

[Sun]

okay

who deleted my fucking post? :D

[Koshy]

What post are you talking about??

[bluevorlon]

Baron, I have yet to see one of your posts longer than your sig,
cut it down please,

thanks

(oh, time travel is 99% of the time, a writer's shortcut)

[Zartax]

Originally posted by BaronX


You are correct in my understanding BUT it still is a writers shortcut and I personally would not like to see it part of HW2.

I hope whatever they do is as original and fun as HW.

My two cents.

Ah, finally someone who understands what I'm talking about.

Do you realise what this means in the long run? (Eeerrnn! depth warning! Eerrnn!)

It means that there is a destiny, that everything (history) can only be in one way. Whatever you, me and everyone else does is already in a physics-kind-of-way decided. This also means that we, humans and all other animals and living beings have no willpower. Fun, isn't it? :)

[Askr]

Originally posted by Zartax
Ah, finally someone who understands what I'm talking about.

Do you realise what this means in the long run? (Eeerrnn! depth warning! Eerrnn!)

It means that there is a destiny, that everything (history) can only be in one way. Whatever you, me and everyone else does is already in a physics-kind-of-way decided. This also means that we, humans and all other animals and living beings have no willpower. Fun, isn't it? :)

Actually, it probably means that there are a finite number of decisions able to be made by any one person in any given situation, and that if they try to eliminate themselves, thus creating a paradox, their decisions about how to do so will be severely limited; so limited, in fact, that they will ultimately be unsuccessful.

This does not, however, mean that there are no decisions to be made. Each decision affects each subsequent decision. The decision to kill one's self may, in fact, not cause a paradox at all, but may instead prevent time travel altogether.

How's that for a twist? Just thought I'd drop a few lines of BS... ;)

[Beast]

heh. Stick with epic, forget time travel.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by Askr


Actually, it probably means that there are a finite number of decisions able to be made by any one person in any given situation, and that if they try to eliminate themselves, thus creating a paradox, their decisions about how to do so will be severely limited; so limited, in fact, that they will ultimately be unsuccessful.

This does not, however, mean that there are no decisions to be made. Each decision affects each subsequent decision. The decision to kill one's self may, in fact, not cause a paradox at all, but may instead prevent time travel altogether.

How's that for a twist? Just thought I'd drop a few lines of BS... ;)

Eeeerrrn! Depth warning 2! Eeerrnnn!

First you have to define what is to make a decition. If a person have several options, why does he choose one, and discard the others? Is it really he who chooses, or was the choice already decided through the laws of physics? I mean, why would we be so extraordinary special that we have the ability to change the state and reactions of matter and energy outside the laws of physics as we want to? This have to be done in order for willpower to exist. If we can't, which is what I believe, all our choices in life are just reactions of what happened right before. Which makes us just an extra advanced biological computer.

[Tygre]

I was gone for the past three days...modem was screwing up on me. In english we had Romeo and Juliet - and the teacher wanted to know whether we thought they were fated to die in the beginning or it was their choice.

:idea: You're saying what I was thinking late a few nights ago... there isn't any free will because it's just a whole bunch of matter and energy reacting based on the conditions it was in, and those conditions are there because of what happened before that, so on and so backwards to the original cosmic explosion or whatever.

Weird...I think of something and several other people think of it at almost the same time without knowing.

btw...i leave for a few days and you add all these cool smilies? hmph.

[Koshy]

Does anybody have the Xtasy 6964?

[iwanthw2]

No.

[Zartax]

Originally posted by Tygre
I was gone for the past three days...modem was screwing up on me. In english we had Romeo and Juliet - and the teacher wanted to know whether we thought they were fated to die in the beginning or it was their choice.

:idea: You're saying what I was thinking late a few nights ago... there isn't any free will because it's just a whole bunch of matter and energy reacting based on the conditions it was in, and those conditions are there because of what happened before that, so on and so backwards to the original cosmic explosion or whatever.

Weird...I think of something and several other people think of it at almost the same time without knowing.

btw...i leave for a few days and you add all these cool smilies? hmph.

Well, I for one have "known" this for quite a long time now. :) But it's good to see more people who have come to the same conclusion.

Note: I almost convinced one of my classmates, who is a member of Jehova's, that this is fact and that there is no free will. He couldn't deny the logic in it but since he isn't Vulcan, he didn't care at the end. :)

[Tronno]

Bah. Temporal paradoxes. Do you think space and time could have possibly been created with such a glaring oversight? Obviously, we're dealing with numerous universes which are individually affected by your actions. Thus, if you travelled back in time to kill yourself, the residents of an alternate universe would see an older version of you appearing out of nowhere and killing...yourself. Therefore, you'll be able to observe a future that is affected by your death without actually dying.

Or something. :wtf:

[Tygre]

Zartax: I think i may have been contemplating that in one way or another for a while now...but I hadn't really been thinking that hard about it.

Frankly, I don't really like thinking about this stuff. And trying to explain it is even worse.