Tyranids
 

There are very tiny hints here and there that there has been a previous Tyranid invasion, and that was responsible for the destruction of the 'old ones' mentioned in the Necron Codex, and with Old One eye, who was dug up on a glacier after 10000 years of being frozen, now this means there were carnifexes in the galaxy that long ago. Also the geanstealers that were on teh moon of ymargl (or whatever). Equally when the hive fleet first attacked it already had beasts with the DNA of orks (biovores) and eldar (Zoanthropes) (possibly, not certain).

Now why did the Tyranids leave? Why are they back where they were again? Well there are also small hints, but this is basically very speculative, what if it was the astronomnicon that is drawing it? It has reletively recently been put up, we know the hive mind has knowledge of the warp, and how come the Eldar don't use war beacons like it, they certainly have the technology? Perhaps they know that the Old Ones were destroyed by the tyranids, because the astronomnicon drew them there.

It's very speculative, but intereseting none-the-less, and perhaps if the galaxy is going to survive, they're going to have to turn the thing off, or indeed someone is going to have to unplug the golden throne :P

The Old Ones were destroyed because they used their psyker powers to excess. Warp anomalies destroyed their cities and nearly wiped out life in the universe. The Necrons went into hiding as warp entities called the Enslavers came out to do their thing.

Actually, Zoanthropes weren't around until just recently. I've seen it mentioned that the Administratum took notice of the new "Zoanthrope" species roaming the battlefields only AFTER the hive fleets had been in our Galaxy. As well, how do you figure biovores are modeled after orks? they don't really exhibit any orky traits, such as battle-lust, or numerical superiority. In fact the only way they're similar is by the bulkyness.

Squigs (rippers) use to be the tyranid's cannon fodder. Old One Eye was from hive fleet behemoth.

no he's not, old one eye is specified somewhere, not definately int he codex, but somewhere ina whtie dward article he was dated to be from a lon long time ago. Old ones died of warp storms? Ok, but if they used their psycic powers too much, maybe they used a astronomnicon or whatever? Probably not. Bleh, just a theory

The theory behind the Biovore is that the Tyranids have assimilated the DNA of Orks and adapted their breeding and life cycle into a biological weapon.The Biovore fires spore mines from its back in a similar fashion to an Ork when it’s reproducing. Although spore mines were likely being used by the Tyranids before they encountered Orks they combined it with Ork DNA to make a small living field artillery unit. The features of the Biovore also appear to be Ork-like.

Old One eye is from Hive fleet Behemoth (well thought to be) it was discovered by an Archeo- pirate on Macragge. There is a section in the new Codex that details 3 encounters with species/races that are now thought to be Tyranid Hivefleets – Tiamet M35 Ouuroboris M36 and colossus M38. there are thought to be may different varieties of creatures located across the galaxy that display Tyranid characteristics which dose lend weight to you’re theory.

again to the how do you figure biovores are modeled after orks question.

if you look in the older nid codex from 40k v3, theres a spider graph of the species with a small imperial blurb under each silouhette specifying/speculating on the species DNA. biovore=ork zoanthrope=eldar?

Really? Well I feel like an idiot then, that bit of info just sitting right in a codex.

Okay, so yeah, I can see the ork - Biovore connection now.

Tyranids are like the oldest race in the galaxy and seem to have been here for a long time. It is just the first hive fleets were farming life to produce biomatter for them consume later on. Ironically that sounds almost like the oldones. That would be a weird plot twist that the tyranids are like old one exodites. Tho I doubt it.

Well actually Necrons are the oldest race in the galaxy. 60 million years give or take. The nids were probably a pile of goo evolutionarly speaking when the necrontyr were battling the old ones. By the time the nids where counquering their galaxy (if the fluff can be trusted) the necrontyr had become the necrons you know today and had already harvested most of life in the galaxy.

As to whether the nids had entered the galaxy much earlier than thought, why not? They probably didn't start sending in whole hive fleets till more contemporary times but there's no reason to think they didn't scout ahead.

Nids being old one exrodites? can't see that one being true. Only because the old ones invested to much in keeping what they had in this galaxy (IE orks, Eldar, and much later humans) that it seems uncharacterisitic to simply abondon their creations. In fact they wanted to stay so bad they unleashed the enslaver plauge (we now know them as rouge phsykers).

the necrons are dead. and the time it takes to cross intergalactic space is could be longer than 60 million years. We don't know what galaxy they came from. Also the tyranids are probally the same generation that left their galaxy. Each hive ship could be hundreads of thousands of years old up to millions. Tho it is hard to say.

No, Tyranids have never been to the galaxy before.

And no, they're not the oldest in the galaxy, because they're not FROM this Galaxy. They're from another universe far off where they devoured everything, and drifted through space dormant till they found our lovely lil hell hole. There is no link between them, the old ones, or anything else. The Tyrranid are the foreign exchange student who steals your girlfreind. And then plants eggs in your chest cavity.

The Tyranids are most likely not attracted to the Astronomicon due to its limited range. It does cover the majority of the galaxy, but it does not reach out beyond our own galaxy. Now that they're in our galaxy, they may be drawn to it, but it coulden't have attracted them from another galaxy.

The Eldar do not use any sort of warp becon, because they have to use for one. Sure they could generate one, but they would not use it. They do not traverse the warp in the same manner we do. They use a system of stable warp tunnels refered to as the Webway, which is a much more efficent method of warp travel.


-Stick

@Brother: When you say they have never been here before, what are you saying? Before Behemoth? Genestealers were around before that. There have been several fleets that merely failed and broke off to become part of a planet's ecosystem (commonly on Death Worlds. Catachan Devil, anyone?).

I dont think they failed. There were sent to seed places with more life than normal. I doubt they were ment to consume anything I mean they have tyranid plants for goodness sakes.

Noone can say how old the Nids are. Perhaps they are the oldest race ever... perhaps not. Probably no-one will ever know.
The Nids must have visited us before we knew of them. As genestealers are based of human DNA. Therefore they must have killed some humans and the reports never got back to the Imperium...
And genestealers (or a version of them) were the first 'nids encountered...

Those were hive fleet forerunners sent to prime the way. There is no evidence the Catachan Devil is related to the Tyranids.

My point is the Tyranids were not here a bajillion years in the past or something, they're an occurence of the recent millenium

There is no reason to assume the tyranids have to have been here before. For one just because geensteelers have our DNA doesnt mean they have been here before. The human race is scatered all over the shop, even in the empire colonies could be wiped out and never really be missed. Also what is to say that during the golden age humans didnt make contact outside this galaxy or meat the forrunners of the nid fleets and get killed or even escape and draw the nids after them.

I wasn't meaning that they had been in the galaxy before and had left. Just that they arrived well before anyone in the Imperium knew about it.
A few centuries perhaps?

The Genestealers existed for a few centuries and were thought to be aliens native to Ygnarl. When the Hive fleet proper arrived, we noticed real quick because the dieing started.

Let’s clear a few things up here



The Genestealer is not based on the DNA of a human it is a Tyranid virus the that transforms its host and future generations into a twisted version of the original host species and a Tyranid organism. The Ygnarl Genestealer is based on a creature that was native to its moons.



READ post 6, it’s safe to assume there could be others that pre-date these but haven’t been recognised yet.



See above

The old Tyranid codex says otherwise.

Bottom of page 37 has a chart.
Under the tilte Alien DNA are the


This comes from the GW site. And Jes Goodwin, who help create the nids.

Genestealers are based on human DNA? You know I always thought that was just the Genestealer Hybrids.

http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp...estealers.shtml

I know it's old fluff but I wasn't aware it had been superceded, except to say they are a kind of Tyranid scout organism.

ORIGINALLY it was implied Genestealers were a seperate species, but when Tyranids found them one of two things happened (no one knows) 1.) Their design was so perfect the tyranids didn't need to change anything, and breed them as is in their hive fleets (like the short lived zoats who rebelled) or 2.) The Genestealers, with their genestealy powers both physicall and psyker, latched onto the hive fleets like parasites, fighting along with them, but not controlled by them, like rats on a human world (rats would probably fight off ripper swarms who attacked them when the 'Nids invade)


As for are Tyranids older than Necrons? If they come from a different Galaxy (which they say they do) , then yes, by far. Nid's arriving now had probably already set out before the C'tan or Old ones had even become amoeba's. That being said, its entirely possible, smaller hive fleets have already been in the galaxy before the imperium existed. The imperium covers a small part of the galaxy...who knows whats going on in other parts.

Wll the Humans and the tau are on opposite side, i believe, so we can assume We've explored the galaxy fairly well.

A Genestealer can be based the DNA of any creature or race not human DNA. There are Genestealers that are based on human DNA and these are represented by the models. I repeat Genestealers are not based on human DNA in the same way as a Zoanthrope is to Eldar and a Biovore is to Ork. You can get Ork, Eldar and Tau Genestealers. The first ever Genestealers encountered weren’t even based on human DNA.

Actually they stress many times, even the imperium is but a small part of the galaxy. Most of it is infested with orks so you can't delve too deep into it, but who knows whats on the other side of the orks?

Who is old one eye?

An old Carnifex that was sleeping on Calth.

More Orks...
And they just get bigger and bigger.
What is beyond them? Even more Orks...

Then after that who knows... Hopefully not too many races as mean as the Nids.

On the up side if you believe in the saying "There is always a bigger fish" you can be optimistic that the Tyranids will eventually run into a race more dangerous than themsevles and be taken down...

Old One Eye was half-killed by the Imperium when he was part of Behemoth. He was subsequently held in a kind of hibernation in the ice until some idiot dug him up.

Tyranids by the older fluff came from a distant, unknown galaxy. No known Old One interference. Not seen any contradictory evidence.



Look at how it is written. The square brackets are used to denote the probable genesource. The normal brackets denote that it is the Human variant. There are Ork and Eldar variants on the template that I know of (the Eldar half-breeds are SCARY!).

I just mistyped it. It was all in square brackets.

It doesn’t matter what brackets they are in. The Genestealer is not originated from Human DNA in the way you are thinking. The Genestealer adapts and changes the DNA of its hosts.

Well for all we know every otehr galaxy in the universe might already have been eaten by the nids!

Cailet, the fluff never said he was killed, only that it was hit by a plasma pistol in the head before "some Hero of the Imperium" got killed. Perhaps in the snows it was probably too weak to get anywhere and just took a nap until some poor sucker woke it up.