Panzerfaust

[Oryhara]

Has anyone else noticed how weak the faust is, especially for 50 munitions? I mean, it takes about 3 shots to kill a jeep, thats 150 mu! So I have 2 suggestions for this:

1. Reduce the price
   The price should reflect the power of it. Something round 10-15ish. Still probably won't be use a whole lot because you still need alot of shots.
2. Increase the power
   Increase the power of the faust so it can atleast take out a jeep in one shot. The price would remain the same.

Incase you haven't figured it out yet, only 1 of the 2 suggestions are supposed to be used. Since I'm not very good at balancing, I would appreciate some feedback here.

[TNT]

Three shots to kill a jeep? You sure youve been shooting panzerfausts and not coke?


Im sorry... That line was just too tempting. No offense meant :P, but seriously, I find it the exact opposite. The allies get no such free early-game weapon, and it pretty much owns a jeep in one shot, coupled with the damage done by the volks.

[OjKa]

Dude, i'm addicted to panzerfausting. You shouldn't even be using it on jeeps anyway, the Volks can kill it easy enough

Tell me that Panzerfausts are weak when you micro 3 Volk squads behind a Tank Destroyer :raincloud :raincloud

[Jock]

Panzerfausts in my experince (which is the receiving end) are great at their job. As an ally player, they are a real pain in the ass.

[Pengu]

They are too expensive for what they do. Considering the allies can get a grenade and sticky bomb upgrade. The only thing it has on that is range, accuracy, and the fact that it has no timer. This becomes a problem when you want to fluch out infantry from a building. For the same cost the allies can lob twice as much firepower into a building as axis can. Same for anti tank. 30-40 should be the cost 50 is really excessive.

[Tiresias]

bear in mind the panzerfaust often survives the squad I'm not sure it can be considered UP

[FatalTheRabbit]

That's just not right. Panzerfausts can take something like 1/4 of a sherman's health with a rear or side strike. If you saw one having such difficulty killing a jeep, a unit which dies in moments to even a volks squad, then maybe they weren't direct hits.

[DatonKallandor]

No no no. Many people seem to be confusing Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck. Panzerschreck is the 75 ammo squad upgrade, which can be dropped and picked up. The schreck is fine.

Panzerfaust is a 50 ammo per shot Volksgrenadier ability, which is underpowered. It barely gets a jeep to 50% with a direct hit. For less cost allied riflemen can throw stickies that deal much more damage.


Daton

[Starfisher]

Lower the ammo a bit, maybe, but I've seen it used with such effectiveness that it doesn't seem very UP. People who know how to use it snipe my flamethrower squads

[theBlind]

Jep, panzerfausts do nearly no damage against jeeps. Bug?

I think that for what they do (and what they can do) they are a bit expensive. Somethign like 35 or 40 munitions would be more accurate, imo.
Or, comparing the volksgrenadiers and the rifleman platforms and what those can do, I'd say go for 15 munitions and a 1.5 minute cooldown.

[Tiresias]

oops yeah panzerfaust, yeah that could do with a bit of a buff (but not much)

[TheDeadlyShoe]

I think if it was 40 munitions cost it would be fine.

It's better than the sticky bomb in some ways, since you can use it against a building and it has a longer range. So having it as cheap as a sticky bomb wouldn't work.

[TNT]

I find them highly annoying in early game, because many players use it as a grenade that does not need to be developed, long before allies can research grenades or BARs.

[OjKa]

The panzerfaust is perfect, you certainly should not buff it (i use it at least 5 times a game)

And anyway, if you have a Volk squad attacking a jeep, the jeep ain't gonna do much. Just rifle it to death.


HEIL PANZERFAUST

[TNT]

The panzerfaust is perfect, you certainly should not buff it (i use it at least 5 times a game)

And anyway, if you have a Volk squad attacking a jeep, the jeep ain't gonna do much. Just rifle it to death.


HEIL PANZERFAUST

Jeeps are excellent for flanking enemy troops and slaughtering them while they are already pinned down. They are highly mobile and fairly tough, I think they are underused. Plus they kill the god damn snipers.

[lordkosc]

I was thinking 25 munitions and leave it at its current rate of firepower, on average it takes 2-3 panzerfausts to take out a jeep.

[OjKa]

....

Why do you keep comparing it to a jeep?

Why do you people even use it on jeeps? Volks can kill it fast enough with rifles.

Panzerfaust is fine. Cost is fine. Damage is fine.
If it cost anything less then i'd just spam Volks everywhere and panzerfaust even more :comment:

[DatonKallandor]

Why do you keep comparing it to a jeep?

Why do you people even use it on jeeps? Volks can kill it fast enough with rifles.

Because Jeeps counter Volks and panzerfausts are supposed to kill vehicles. If the weakest vehicle the allies have survives 3 panzerfaust hits and the rifles kill it faster, you know what that means? Panzerfaust is weaker than 6 rifles. Why do we pay 50 ammo for 1 shot again?


Daton

[theBlind]

Because Jeeps counter Volks

nope.

[Hellraiser]

I always destroy jeeps with my volks without using panzerfaust's. Jeeps have paper armor they won't win in a head on fight with something better than an engineer/pioneer. Panzerfausts are good against armored cars, halftracks and all that scary stuff that the enemy can deploy before you can get a fully shrecked grenadier squad or an AT gun.

[Oryhara]

The fact that the rifles destroy jeeps faster than the fausts says something.

[OjKa]

Maybe because you don't need an Armour Piercing rocket to kill a jeep?
Have you even seen Panzerfaust hit clumped infantry? You can halve them in a second

[ShortyMcNostri]

It's never taken me more than 2 panzerfausts to kill a jeep. The first one generally brings it to very little health.

[Thoragoros]

Panzerfausts were some of the most effective anti tank weapons of the era. Look them up on wikipedia, they were both effectuive and cheap.

These are both underpowered and over price

[Ax3]

Panzerfausts were some of the most effective anti tank weapons of the era. Look them up on wikipedia, they were both effectuive and cheap.

These are both underpowered and over price

Agreed.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

It doesn't slaughter a jeep because a 280 manpower unit isn't supposed to be able to one-shot a 220 manpower unit.

That says nothing about effectiveness against tanks. It works pretty well for that...just costs too much.

[OjKa]

now i remember why i left the relic boards on DoW ;\

No offence but some of you just know nothing and should just be quiet.

Panzerfausts are no overpowered, will you stop fucking comparing it to a jeep?! Why you would waste 50 munitions on a jeep is beyond me anyway. Jeeps DO NOT counter Volks. Jeeps kill snipers and can just about kill engineers if they are not in heavy cover.

Panzerfausts can kill infantry squads. I've seen them wipe out 4 soldiers many times due to them all clumped up. You wanna cheapen the Panzerfuast? Ok sure, i'll just spam Volks for fucking everything the allies have - Infantry, Light Armour and Tanks.
They are not underpowered. They are not over expensive. They are fine. Now for those people that don't know wtf they are talking and have only used 1 Faust on a jeep just don't comment please.

[PuGGy]

Ojka is right. Panzerfausts are only meant to give volks a fighting chance against enemy armour. It also makes sense for them to be less effective then sticky bombs cos you have to spend 40 fuel getting them.

[DatonKallandor]

And less ammo to use them. For more firepower.


Daton

[Thoragoros]

Okay......So a single shot of panzerfaust should cost almost as much as the light machine gun upgrade for Grenediars?
Gonna start spamming Grenadiars now?

The simple fact of the matter is that a panzerfaust should cut a jeep in half!!! GOT IT? IF IT CANNOT KILL A JEEP WHY THE HECK DOES IT EVEN DAMAGE A TANK AT ALL?

[Boomstar]

The only time I've used it was against shermans a few times if I wasn't ready with stugs ot grenadiers with shrecks. The damage was ok but the cost for one shot was simply to much. If its that effective vs infantry just make it less so (I've never thought of firing it at infantry i'll give it a try my next axis game).

[Bonnet]

The panzershrecks of the Grenadier squads serve the function you are asking for quite well. Volks squads where never intended as counters to rifle squads or allied infantry in general. They are early gernades for the german, and they serve that purpose fine.

Also to those arguing that they where far more effective in real life, of course they where. No one has said anything to the contrary. But this game isn't balanced on real life, so leave it.

[DatonKallandor]

Also, a stickybomb destroyes a Axis Bike in one hit. And it costs less than the panzerfaust but has the same role.


Daton

[n0z3k1ll3r]

The bike's cheaper than the jeep though.

[Trizzdog]

To find out why the panzerfaust is useful, shoot it at a destructable target other than a tank or light vechicle

[Russian Ninja]

You know what I find the Panzerfaust very good for?

Killing Snipers.

It's true: the thing never misses and if any Allied sniper is stupid enough to stop moving whilst he's shooting the Germans, well then he can go eat a rocket.

Considering that, 50 Munitions isn't that bad a price at all.

Considering what it's supposed to be though, the thing really should have its anti-tank damage toned up at least.

[PuGGy]

I think you guys are reading into this a bit too much... its a simple ability that you get very early on without having to upgrade anything. It isn't suppose to be brilliant, or even cost effective. If it was cost effective there would be no point in getting panzershrecks or at guns.

[Oryhara]

You have to upgrade your HQ to get it. Does that not count as an upgrade?

[Phazon]

Panzerschreck isn't overpowered, however it does cost a bit much. Taking into consideration that the Allied stickybomb costs only 25 munitions, has a 100% chance of hitting (the damn bomb flies like a frisbee towards the target) and will most likely score a critical hit no matter where its placed on a vehicle (even a Tiger will most likely suffer engine damage if its thrown on the front of the hull).

A Panzerschreck is like a one-use Panzerfaust, and its effectiveness on vehicles depends on the location it hits unlike the sticky bomb.

[DatonKallandor]

For the love of god, learn the weapon names. Panzerschreck is what Grenadiers get. PanzerFAUST is a one-shot 50 ammo for Volksgrenadiers.


Daton

[theBlind]

Btw, thanks OjKa for the sniper tip. I never saw so many snipers fly so high to so many places at once.

Rest in pieces!