The GundamMod [SEED] ,!! Image Very Heavy !!

[Dark Lord Revan]

It has to do with the characteristic of the beam. The positrons are held by a magnetic field that prevents is from disassociating. The magnetic field ceases to hold the particles when it hits something, int his case a ship. However, the particles need time to disperse, so the ships doesnt blow up all at once. It will penetrate into the ship, then disperse inside it, causing a non-instant internal explosion.

Tanhauser, however, simply consumes its target since the beam it firse is very thick. Or at least it was when it was fired at the girty lue. It seemed to get weaker and smaller everytime it next appears in the show -_-

[Eric072691]

I noticed that, but I think it was the angle it was viewed from.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Nope. When fired at the girty lue the view was from the side and the beam was clearly as thich as the girty lue itself. Ep49 when akatsuki intercepted it, it was also seen from the side and barely thicker than a lohengrin shot. In fact, there is a short view of the beam coming straight on as seen by ramius thru the window, and its really more or less the same as lohengrin when dominion fired at AA.

[Zerosystem]

When Ramius saw the beam coming at her, we can attribute the lohengrin/tannhauser beam to just being reused footage. I'm pretty sure the Akatsuki tannhauser negation's footage was also that of the Strike's negation of Dominion's lohengrin, but instead of the Strike being destroyed, the Akatsuki survived. Here's proof, at least of the oncoming positron shot:

White Base Gallery - Gundam Seed - AA and Dominion
http://www.gundamwingzero.com/public...%20-%20561.jpg

G-Seed.com Gallery - GSD - AA and Minerva
http://www.g-seed.com/gallery/displa...bum=49&pos=763

Note that except for the image size and slight difference in quality, the animation is exactly the same.

[Eric072691]

Sorry bout that, I haven't seen it in a while, but thinking back to Lohengrin Gate, The Tannhäuser shot was only as big as the mobile armor with positron reflector, I think it was a Gells-Ghe. So the beam does get somewhat smaller.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I noe its reused footage. What im saying is that they didnt bother to keep tanhauser consistent, and that even in the end, they decided heck, lets just reuse footage, no-one will notice that tanhauser's now the same strength as lohengrins, giving minerva LESS firepower than AA.

Some ppl say its cuse they deliberately reduced power. That doesnt make sense. There was no reason in each instance for the power output to be reduced. In fact, for example killing the eaf fleet in ep12, it should have been as powerful as possible to destroy the maximum number of ships. Instead it was roughly the same width as the zamazah that blocked it. You could say AA doesnt need such a big beam to be killed, but then again, they didnt have any compuctions about using full power on the girty lue.

[Eric072691]

Now why would they use a lower power on something they know will block it, wouldn't you use full power in an attempt to fire through it?

And I fully agree with you Revan, It just seems that they didn't try to be consistent in the show, and that you can say there are 3 different Tannhäuser beam sizes, the max size as it was attacking the Girty Lue, the middle size of the zamzah, and possibly the small size of the Lohengrin. We did get to see the Tannhäuser fire as it was shooting the debris of Junius Seven, though I don't remember how big the beam was (too much red from heat).

But who knows, perhaps the wanted to use full power on the girty lue to destroy the ship and everything aboard it, then used different power settings for different situations.

but thats just my thought on it.

[Zerosystem]

Perhaps they wanted to use a lower power to prolong the time of the positron beam fired. If you wanted to cut up Junius 7, would you want to drill a hole or make a crater through it with a single powerful shot, or would you want it to be more like a laser beam, cutting it lenghtwise?

[Dark Lord Revan]

Good point, that would make sense for the eaf fleet and junis seven....

However, that doesnt hold up when applied to AA. There's no reason to prolong the shot when targeting a single crusier. In fact the larger blast would be more accurate.

[Eric072691]

They might have wanted a quick shot due to weapon charge time.

[bucky699]

Hey guys has this mod got an estimated release date yet? or at least an alpha so we can check it out. N hey revan causing trouble over here aswell are we :P

[Dark Lord Revan]

What? Bucky? How can you be here???

Oh yeah, this is the internet.

I aint causing trouble. Im just being a usual wiseass.

[Eric072691]

I don't think it is trouble, more like a debate about the Tannhäuser's beam size.

[bucky699]

hehh yes im here boi im everywhere :P

and yea the Tannhäuser's beam size is very incosistant one minute its wide next lil then even liler. oh and revy boi is always trouble but hes fun trouble aint ya boi.

[Vagyr Admiral]

What are you working most on? fxmod or gundam seed?

[Kou Uraki]

is this mod still going on? there hasn't been much updates on it...

[Zerosystem]

Should still be, it's just that they haven't released the mod.

[bucky699]

Well i hope theres an update soon, i love our mod that me n my friends are making for empire at war but the HW2 engine is way better for space simulation then EAW could ever dream of and i love the seed universe.

Also i dunno if u've coverd this already but i aint reading all these pages to find out, but will you b doing Destiny aswell or jus seed

[Dark Lord Revan]

ive seen both seed and destiny renders here...so suppose its both.

[BitchX]

Hmm, that means Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice would be in...which translates to utter p00nage of their opponent

[Dyson]

hope they are deleted from the timetable

[Zerosystem]

Meh. Even in the UC Gundam mod, which is quite playable to teh extent of being finished, bits/funnels haven't really worked as was hoped.

Beam sabres don't work well anyway, because the closest we can get is a supershort ion beam that 'stabs' enemies.

[bucky699]

infin-j and S-freedom should b ommited due to the fact that they are on the same team and omni powerful, in otherwords the balancing would b wayyyyy off.

PS: how many teams u doin like obviously ZAFT and EAF but are u doing ORB or "The three ships alliance" as a team? cause if u arnt then i spose u could put the s-freedom and Ininf-j on seperate teams like infin-j on zaft and S-freedom on EAF. (cause kira was initialy a EAF pilot and Athrun was originaly a ZAFT pilot)

[Dark Lord Revan]

A mobile suit is only as good as its pilot. Strike freedom and I Justice can still be owned. Their not really that much better than destiny and legend, so its still a bit fair. They can just make build times and cost higher for i justice and s freedom, and limit to one or the other at a time only.

[BitchX]

Well, a good MS is bound to give its pilot certain advantages over his opponent. Ofcourse, if the relative skill levels arent the same then even the best MS could not save its pilot if he doesnt know how to use it. But, considering the stuff we see Freedom and Justice in GS, and later S-Freedom and I-Justice do in GSD, they both would seem to be atleast on par if not superior with their opponent über suits.

About limiting them to one or the other at any one time isnt the right solution IMHO. During the course of both GS and GSD, we continuously see the Freedom and Justice working together. So it would atleast be more in line with the series to have them available for the player at the same time. Altough one of each ofcourse. I think price and build time balancing would be more on par with the GS and GSD canon. Afterall, both were extremely experimental suits at their time.

[fxmod9ccn]

[bucky699]

Sweet looking nazca cant wait to play it in game, ps i know you must get annoyed at this but how long till at least a beta on this mod do you think just a rough estimate is fine.

[kywrnjs]

How to can I download this mod?

[Dyson]

beautiful model, cant wait to kick some feddie butt

This mod is nt completed, so U cant download it now, and we dont know when, hope We do it soon

[Astrayred]

Sweet!Glad to see that the mod is still going on well.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Nice nazca model...i had almost believed the mod dead...guess i should know better.

[fxmod9ccn]

SEED MOD 1.0beta will be released in next month.

[mysticknight14]

Woot. Nice.

[Dyson]

Best News

EDIT:

If the mod is going to be released so soon... could U please post some more screenies? at least some Federation units, pleeeeeeeeeease :P

[bucky699]

hmm well i think we can just wait for the mod.

and dude its SEED not UC no feddies hahaha its the Earth Alliance and Zaft :P i know im a pain in the ass nitpicking like that but i just love to do it :P

[Dark Lord Revan]

Well, sometimes i still refer to the ea as feddies out of habit, give the man some space bucky lol

[Dyson]

Well, in both UC and CE "earth Alliance" is called Rengu, in original version, not to mention that a federation and an alliance, are quite similar IMO.

So, those bastards will still be Feddies, no matter what they call themselves XD

[fxmod9ccn]

Here we introduce a game videos of SEED MOD。
Download：
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ox0hwt

[bucky699]

BAh revan you know me better then that by now i show no mercy for i shall recieve none!!!

And sweet im gettin that vid now

[Dyson]

Link not working bad luck.

If someone could please post a mirror or upload it to youtube...

EDIT: ok, firefox fault

[bucky699]

worked for me nice looking effects, but isnt Yzaks zaku from destiny spose to be blue, or is that a mass production model cause as far as i know its not mass its a custom loadout.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Well, its white, so either a commander unit or rey's unit. except that the slash pack never got shown in the show on a white unit, doesnt mean it cant.

[delayclose]

wow..the reload animation is pretty neat!

it would be great if you guys use custom sounds instead of the stock ones :P

[Dyson]

yeah, using the shows sounds gives the mod a huge difference, as U can test in UC mod.

That zaku is really something but I want to see some feddi units

[Zerosystem]

Oh wow, that reload is made of so much win...

I want this mod NOW!

[mysticknight14]

Wow that reload animation is amazing. This is top notch work.

[Mad_Barber]

If I remember correctly, there was a regular ZAKU Warrior with a Slash Wizard pack in the episode 45-50 area (don't remember exactly which episode)

[Dark Lord Revan]

Actually, there were a number of them at orb, and some of those in the messiah battle also had the packs.

[0wndre]

great job on the mod. we all wait anxiously to get our zakus to trash the higara and vagayr fleet.

[bucky699]

pft higara and vagayr dont stand a chance against the might of the ZAFT special forces!!