screenie of hiigara and moon questions

[Tamriel]

there is this screenshot of hiigara and its moon:
http://www.well-of-souls.com/homewor...022103_008.jpg

when i saw it, and thought about, and i wondered why the planetary structures r that big?
i mean when they arrived there, they were about half a million kharakians (btw, the game crashed in version 1.01 when u rescued all 6 cryo bays... ;-p )
even if they were very fertile there cant be more then a few million hiigarans after 100 years.

even cities with several million pll on earth arnt visible from space, and this structures on hiigara r darn huge!

just want to hear some:"we dont know anything, but we can still speculate" answers.

[Kirtar]

Well if youve seen star wars episode 2, in the end dooku's ship is approaching coruscant and you see all these lights and stuff from the mass of buildings. It is probably like that. Plus the Taiidan were there for a while before that so they probably could have build that much.

[ÜberJumper]

Tamriel:

Hiigara appeared to have been inhabited at the end of Homeworld... so they could be left over structures.

I'm thinking there was a massive breeding program undertaken when the Homeworld was re-taken. There was mention of Cloning and DNA storage in the storyline, so perhaps there was some massive undertaking to setup mass-produced hiigaran offspring. Hopefully the story-casters at Relic will let us know.

[Alliance]

its 100 years, and 600000 horny kushans, what do you expect?

[BenJAMin]

Hmmm.. assuming some traditional human generations and family values..

Each couple has 10 kids (seems crazy to us, but it wan't that uncommon even in the 100 years ago).

Through some lab help, they are all born in 5 years (mmm.. fertility drugs..). You'd be considered strange in society if you weren't a twin.

In the first 30 years, the first new generation has grown up, married, and has had their 10 kids.

Population:

HW +1 year, population = 600,000
HW +5 years, population = 600,000 + 3,000,000 kids (huh, I'd rather face the Vaygr!!!)
HW +30 years = 3,600,000 + 15,000,000 kids
HW +55 years = 18,600,000 + 75,000,000 kids
HW +80 years = 93kk + 375kk kids
HW + 105 years = 468kk + 1,870 kk

Two billion kids! I hope they kept the native Taiidan on as nannies... :naughty:

[malignus]

Yes, assuming that they all live to, say, 140 years of age, and that they reach sexual maturity before the age of thirty, those figures will accurately reflect the population. Of course, that's probably a best case scenario.

[--G()re--]

I don't want to think of my favourite sci-fi race as a newly formed culture consisting of test-tube babies with "it being uncommon to not have a twin".

It's not what I would see it all as... Who knows how long a Hiigaran year is... who knows what procreation is like in Homeworld for the Hiigarans (and all other spieces for that matter.) I will asume that there society is built up healthy and normal. And there buildings are all oky dokey.

[Retroboy]

I did the math on a case where the numbers were a lot closer to unassisted terran breeding, and the final population came out to a heckuva lot less than a billion.

I think it was 4 kids per family (i.e. the population doubles every 20 years, less those kicking the bucket of old age), 90% are breeding couples, 600000 starting, and worked out to something like 33,600,000 at year 100. Still a fairly good number.

However, Karan's still kicking around, which suggests life extension works. If so, this number is closer to 38,000,000, not including losses in the Beast war.

Now, back on topic.

My thought on the planetary markings
Essentially they're superhighways that use maglev to move cars from one point to another very very quickly. In other words, they're traffic circles.

-- Retro

[Arwan]

what no one figured in global disasters. you know huricanes, tidal waves, fluding, tornados, earthquakes, moonquakes , volcanoes, wild animals,accadents, murder, suicide, disease, still born babies, miscarages. among a small few.

factor all this in and i would think that there population would be significantly lower. im thinking atleast 10 million lower than what retroboy's frist population calculation was.

[The5thElephant]

It is also possible that many of the Taiidani citizens who lived on Hiigara were allowed to continue to live there (if they weren't supportive of the old government), and I am sure there were a few billion Taiidani living there.

[--G()re--]

Erk, I dislike the idea of Taiidani living on the Kushans home... it just makes it seem soo violated... if it's true or not...

Err... hmm the Hiigarans had made it a couple of thousand light years (40 000 LY if im not mistakin) on a struggle to get to Hiigara. Through that expierience and there advanced tech they should've been able to disperse or control a buncha natural disasters. Plus medical tech must be quiet advanced so im sure there are no "still-borns" n stuff like that... eeew...

[BenJAMin]

Retro's numbers are certainly more likely, though I suspect that family size would be a bit bigger given how vulnerable the Hiigarans would feel with such a small population.

Hmm.. it makes you wonder who was on Hiigara for the last few thousand years. From the ending movies it looked like there were some cities. Did the Kushans kick a few billion people off the planet when they arrived? Maybe Hiigara was a forbidden planet, and the only population was a caretaker/ garrison.

I agree that the circles are some kind of transport system. When things got too crowded near one ring, you'd start building a second ring further out.

-Ben

[Kirtar]

Maybe Kushan multiply like rabbits. I'm still guessing that the part of the planet with all the lights on it is like coruscant, one really big city. After all, in the credits it said "Special thanks to George Lucas for the idea."

[Zurgnoff]

they probably arn't all residential structures theres also going to be business structures and there could also be large (probably very large) numbers of industrial structures Im willing to bet it takes quite a bit to rebuild a planet =P. Also that appears to be the only city there if all the kushan are living there its gotta be pretty big. Next, other Hiigaran exiles from elsewhere in the galaxy could have shown up. finally some of it may be landing ports for space vehicles which would have to be huge considering the scale of the ships not to mention the accomodation of other races ships (like the bentusi) who only have extremely large vessles

[Arwan]

maybe there huge industrial areas of the planet where the components of the new MS were made. or maybe all the people on the plant wanted to live near one another and so there is only 2 huge cities. yet another idea comes to mind. there plnet may be considerably smaller than earth so a city on the surface of there planet may look much larger than it really is when compared to a city on the surface of earth.

you and i must have been typeing at the same time zergenoff.:anime:

[mrmin123]

rofl at first i thought that hiigara's half was burning up

[No1_Killer]

what people forgot in the numbers where that there was likley alot more than 600,000 on the ms,considering that they would proboly need more than 100,000 to actully run the ms. so just say 20,000 die as pilots you still have another 80,000 or above

[Alpha_1]

Have you forgotten the pyramids, or the mountain drwings in Peru? There are many 'manmade' structures that are visible from space, it is just a matter of the right light.

BTW at night you CAN see all major cities from orbit, we use a LOT of lights!

[Retroboy]

True, Alpha, but they're nowhere NEAR as light-emitting as the Hiigaran screenshots. The U.S. coast just looks like a bunch of tiny pinpoints rather than a big mass of coloured lights.

The pyramids and particularly mountain drawings in Peru are barely visible in low earth orbit, and you certainly can't see them unaided from the moon. They're really not that big.

From what I read some long time ago, that shot, which looks like it's roughly halfway to the moon, would only show one manmade artifact if taken of earth and from the same distance - the great wall of China.

No1-killer, I took those figures into account by noting that Hiigara would still need a space fleet to defend itself and so that base population would stay in orbit, HQed on board the momship and act as the armed forces. They probably wouldn't be having kids.

-- Retro

[silent watcher]

Hmm...it seems pretty dominant on these forums that they're structures...I'm not sure about Hiigara, but I always thought that the circles on the moon were some sort of markings drawn on the surface, like the Nazca lines in South America, only on a larger scale. If you look closely, it resembles the markings on the Guidestone. I thought that the Hiigarans, as a monument to their struggle and their return, had made those drawings on the moon's surface. As for the planet, I suppose the motivation were similar, since it also looks like the drawing on the Guidestone. They do look like lights, don't they, although that's one huge city. If you think about it, it's sort of odd that they'd have lights on in a perfect geometric design; do they have some kind of electrical rationing so that ships looking down from space can see the pretty picture?

[Rebel]

Here's an interesting idea. Consider the Kharakian world. A complete desert with very little space and very little beauty.

The Kharakian's reclaim their legendary Homeworld, and find it to be a very lush planet in comparison. Not to mention, they now have limitless amounts of space to build in.

Now, the center part of the megalopoli would most likely be a very dense city. The Kharakian ways had led the people into a tight style, since the land space was very limited, however, they soon realize the extent of land they have. Explorers radiate outwards, and soon, small settlements sprout up. However, a problem of supply soon becomes necessary. This stagnated growth outwards quickly, since all settlements were dependent on the city.

At first, supplies are probably directly shiped out to each settlement, but as they grew more numerous, a better method was derived. The transport ring was first created. the ring was a giant system used to deliver goods to waypoint towns. It itself was basically a giant city, with residents living alongside its massive structures. The delivery system would have allowed people to disperse even further out, and therefore more rings would be built. By this method, the only concentrated populations would be around the central foci and on the rings themselves, with small amounts of people (very likely scientists and environmentalists) living in the settlements in between.

[Rebel]

The moon would be built in a similar way. As can be seen on its surface, there is a smaller second ring, connected by a transport lane to the main one.

Also, the fact that their are lights between the rings on both the planet and moon seem to suggest that there are small groupings there, as I theorized above

[ASnogard]

Add also the defensive considerations of a race who have witness the effect of a attack from a orbiting fleet against a planet , I for one would add a lot of armor and bulkheads with the ability to seal off sections. You could also add multiple routes for rapid transportation , dedicated defense points and heavily shielded civilian safe zones to that list , which would considerably bulk up a city's size and visibility.

[Tamriel]

nice it became a good discussion...

i would doubt that their policy is/was get as much offspring as possible!
the things u need to support (feed/educate ...) that many children would simply overwhelm such a small society.
when u have to build anything from the ground u cant take care of 10 children.

also a natural development would not concentrate all pll in one city.
there should be plenty of places on a planet worth to settle on.
(minerals, space to grow food, access to waterways)
but on the screenie it seems they just started to colonize one part of coast, which grew a while, while other parts of the planet look completly untouched.
(north-eastern and south-eastern parts)

if the design was not just made to
"look good" there is still something unknown about the structures.

maybe some kind of linear accelerator to bring stuff into orbit?

in addition: why should an transportation system be extended over the ocean like it is there?
why should someone want to go there?

[British Agent]

Or maybe the designers of the game wanted to make it look cool and didn't realize that it would spring a hige discussion on population density and how far objects can be seen from space.

And the did a good job, it does look cool.

~Brit

[Tangent]

The Mothership was crewed by 50,000, and the game designers estimated that 5 Cryotrays would be saved. That some of us saved all six was just unexpected. And not factored in. On the web-site (Cataclysm's site, which has some good information even if you hate the game (which I don't)) it stated that 550,000 Kushan made it to Hiigara.

It is likely that the population of Hiigara doubled in size after 3 years (giving each female Kushan a year between babies). It would take 8 years after that before the next doubling of population (to 2.2 million). Mind you, this factors in such things as twins and also deaths. Thus by the time Homeworld: Cataclysm starts up (15 years after Landfall) we have approximately 2.85 million Kushan. The Taiidani took the most losses in that, but it is probable that the Hiigarans lost around 100,000 in the Beast War.

Once the first generation starts breeding (and we could probably assume that if females became fertile after 14 years of age, that marriage and childbearing could very well start around the 15th year of life - mind you, this is not an Earth culture, and even in the United States there are States where women can be wed at the age of 12, with parential consent). Thus we now (assuming an even division of male/female births) have an additional 120,000 women giving birth every two years.

This is without using technology to assist. Now let's assume that, without using cloning tanks, that Hiigara's council has decided that the most important thing is to get the population up. The easiest way to do this is to encourage female births through drugs - if the Hiigaran genetic sequencing is similar enough to human that females are XX and males are XY (or some similar varient), then a drug that inhibits the Y-chromosome sperm.

The first 255,000 children born will be predominantly female. And every 255,000 children after that.

The second thing to remember is that the Mothership was a *colony* ship. It is quite probable that, with the Sleepers, the majority were not male. Instead, there may have been a 60/40 split (with some discripencies such as among the Somtaaw, who were predominantly male).

In addition, fertility drugs can allow for twins, triplets, or more to be born. Thus after the first year, Hiigara's population doubled or more, with numerous twins and triplets being born. Medical technology purchased from the Bentusi would ensure that these children remain healthy for the most part (some exceptions would always arise), allowing for the population of Hiigara to skyrocket into the tens of millions in just under two decades.

It is entirely feasible to see a population of Hiigarans that is over a billion strong, and even the Hiigarans looking to colonize new worlds once again.

Remember, however, that we don't need billions of Hiigarans. We need only 50,000 or so to crew the new Mothership.

Robert "Xellos" Howard

[Retroboy]

Without some kind of automated cloning, moving a population from a base of 550000 to over 10 million in 20 years means either every female having 30 kids (hrm - bit of a problem with that one), or females start getting pregnant at 15, and every 1stgen female has one kid a year. (Of course, all this assumes that Kushan physiology ~ Human physiology, and Hiigaran year ~ Terran year).

Ow. I'd be buying Pampers stock right quick!

-- Retro

[Swiftiee]

Considering the Hiigarans were more advanced then we are in our present time, I think they would've mastered cloning and genetics. Thus, instead of mass producing twins, I think they could have varied the clones to give Hiigara a bit of variety.

[Rebel]

The point of the posts I had above means that there may not have BEEN 10 million. Rather, maybe 4 or 5 million for the superstructure with 2 million interspersed. And of course, we can't rule out the idea of multiple births at one time. Perhaps Kushani anatomy allows them to have 10 children at a time, and perhaps their children are born smaller and have a greater pubescent growth spurt.

[silent watcher]

You know, call me an idiot or a moron, or whatever, but it seems to me that, you know, our Earth population seems to moving along veeeerrrrryyyy slowly. If humans have been indeed around for a million years or so and just now we're hitting the 5 or 6 billion mark? Looking at these figures, we should have populations in the (latin for big, big number)-illions. Even if they had the cloning and genetics, I wouldn't be too sure they'd be organizing factories to output a couple hundred babies a day. It's a little something called "common sense," folks. How many of you would volunteer yourself to be cloned because "we don't have enough people?" Better yet, how many of you wouldn't resist when the military volunteered you for a cloning program? How many of you wouldn't protest when they said you would have to have one child every three years, no exceptions? How many of you wouldn't protest when your chromosomes were altered to produce only boys, or girls? In other words:

How many of you would willingly give up your choice in creating life? How many of you would willingly give up your right to your child? How many of you would willingly give up choice?

Reality check, 50 cents.

And this whole topic is getting off subject, anyway.


[edit] IRT tangent, why would an essentially immortal race like the Bentusi have advanced medical technologies anyway? It's redundant.

And your numbers are based on ideal situations. You've forgotten to include death rate, infertility rate, infant death rate, accident rate, abortion rate, sickness rate, and a million other random and not-so-random factors that could throw the numbers off-track. Which is why the Earth's population is proportionally really low than to what you got there (a billion people from 500,000 after only a hundred years? Think again)

[Kirtar]

Maybe they lay hundreds of eggs at a time. That would do it. Of course I have no idea how or why this topic got to this point but... oh well.

[Arwan]

i remember posting something simular not to long ago

[Annubi$]

I assumed there was already a considerable population of Taidan on the planet, and that the Hiigarans just enslaved the men and raped the women, leaving numerous unclaimed children, rapid homelessness, and societal degredation. However, all that forced intercourse could of resulted in a mass population boom, and horrible race relations.

[F'Lar]

im sorry this is off topic but replying to something said earlier. the only thing that can be seen from space is lights. not the pyramids, not the great wall. just lights

[Cooker]

I could assume kushans are highly automated, therefore GDP per capital could be enormous, due to their high income, their inferstructure could be enormous per population. assume there are quater a billion kushan each owning his / her own sky scraper, that could prduce one big city visible from space. remember there are only 25 crew in a 200 meter long firgate, then you could assume an average citizen owning his / her own sky scraper / factory or shoping mall

you can not effectivly speculate image of a socity with average income of Earth equiverlent of 1,000,000 a month ....

[F'Lar]

you guys have to remeber that there where taidan living on hiigara for a long while before the exiles got there so there are citys and all that spit

[Cooker]

well, even if everything was rebuilt
you are talking about a race capable of building a heavy cruiser a few kilometers long under 2 minutes. just wonder what they could build in 100 years.

[F'Lar]

thats a good point but the speed in homeworld is way off. i read or heard somewhere that it took something like 6 months to get home. now i dont know about you but i beat the game in about 3 days. that is no 6 months so a HC was built in more like acouple of hours at the fastes, im thinking 5 to 6 but yeah.

[Cooker]

you spend most of your 3 month in hyperspace and about 3 days fighting.

[John Sheridan]

Yeah, that's where the time discrepencies come from.

Also, there is probably a very large Taiidani population remaining on Hiigara. Remember, Captain Elson was Taaidan, and he was instrumental in bringing down the Empire. As I see it, The Hiigarans, in retaking their Homeworld managed to liberate a large portion of the Taiidan from a corrupt government.

[silent watcher]

Originally posted by John Sheridan
Yeah, that's where the time discrepencies come from.

Also, there is probably a very large Taiidani population remaining on Hiigara. Remember, Captain Elson was Taaidan, and he was instrumental in bringing down the Empire. As I see it, The Hiigarans, in retaking their Homeworld managed to liberate a large portion of the Taiidan from a corrupt government.

You don't know that for certain. We don't know if the Taiidan ever lived on Hiigara or if they were even aware of its presence (besides the Emperor and his advisors). The Bentusi state in their little spiel after Tenhauser Gate "...your lost homeworld..." Now, I realize that could be intrepreted any way you want to, but to me, it says no one but the highest Taiidani imperials knows where Hiigara is until the Kushan come along. It's more realistic if there were indeed Taiidani on Hiigara, but there's something very Homeworld-ish to the idea of coming home to an untouched paradise.

IRT cooker, that sounds slightly off, your statement about the GDP. Remember, they're in the process of building. It's unrealistic to believe they're just gonna be fine and dandy; think about what they have to do. They just have to start all over again, grow crops to provide food, build towns, cities. Food rationing, energy rationing, water rationing, all to be expected in such a society. They won't be owning skyscrapers anytime soon. First off, where would this "high income" come from? Would Sajuuk rain down money from heaven? Have they genetically-engineered a tree to grow gold coins? They would barely have an economy, even half a century later. Before starting commerce, they need to establish an industrial base. They could get that, although most likely limited to raw resources, not manufactured goods. However, their trade would not go so good, since the Republic is weak and in turmoil. The Bentusi, regardless of what they call themselves, don't seem much like a real "trade" group, just guys that wander the galaxy selling high-priced weaponry. They definitely do not have high income or high GDP.

:yas: j/k

[Tamriel]

if there had been a taiidan pop on hiigara why should they lock themselfes out from hyperspace (the heaviely guarded inhibitors) ?

also the 14th mission (the big asteroid) was to buy them time to get reinforcements, if hiigara was an important colony it would have at least some defenses for its own.

another thing :did the hiigarans developed a comercial system like ours?
they r in a very special situation, "money" would be quiet worthless in the beginning of the resettlement, and if the hiigarans were clever enough to keep it that way it would strenghten them.

if ever *real* communism exist it will have a big advantage.
imagine what a nation could do if it has not to pay money for something!

what prevents us from flying to the mars? or makes the ISS take that long?
it is not the technology, but the political issues and the money!
now the hiigarans could avoid both this problems.they r already completly united, and could invent another system of living.

i also assume that trade in the normal style would be quiet useless to the bentusi.
if u have a galaxy and a that fast way of travel hyperspacing is, u can just go somewhere to get what u need.
why should u buy resources if there r hundreds of systems where u get them for free? (i wondered why the bentusi do no harvesting themselfs?!)

but technology! imagine what a race would do, if it could save some centuries of technical development!

[BenJAMin]

The last two posters have a point: the Taiidan may not have colonized Hiigara, they might have done their best to erase its existance.

Btw: Do we know that it was the Taiidan who defeated the Kushans in the first place?

If the original Kushan empire were as advanced as it sounds, they might have build to last. The cities shown at the end of HW and in the HW2 screenshots may have been from the original empire. A little excavation here, a little dusting there, poor some gas in the generators and plug in the lights!!

-Ben

[Cooker]

"IRT cooker, that sounds slightly off, your statement about the GDP. Remember, they're in the process of building. It's unrealistic to believe they're just gonna be fine and dandy; think about what they have to do. They just have to start all over again, grow crops to provide food, build towns, cities. Food rationing, energy rationing, water rationing, all to be expected in such a society. They won't be owning skyscrapers anytime soon. First off, where would this "high income" come from? Would Sajuuk rain down money from heaven? Have they genetically-engineered a tree to grow gold coins? They would barely have an economy, even half a century later. Before starting commerce, they need to establish an industrial base. They could get that, although most likely limited to raw resources, not manufactured goods. However, their trade would not go so good, since the Republic is weak and in turmoil. The Bentusi, regardless of what they call themselves, don't seem much like a real "trade" group, just guys that wander the galaxy selling high-priced weaponry. They definitely do not have high income or high GDP. "

Kushan is very advanced and highly automated, the might have a very high drone to population ratio, therefore probabilty very high income.

[Kirtar]

I dont remember seeing the big city lights from space at the end of HW1. This means that you either only saw the daytime side of the planet or, they built it after they took the planet back. I think the former is more likely though.

[BenJAMin]

Originally posted by Kirtar
I dont remember seeing the big city lights from space at the end of HW1. This means that you either only saw the daytime side of the planet or, they built it after they took the planet back. I think the former is more likely though.

I'm going to complete HW again in the next day or two, so I'll have to give you an update, but IIRC:

You see the day side of the planet and the "light side" of the angel moon in the last mission. Any structures would not be visible on the planet, and the moon structure you see on the HW2 screen would be on the "dark" side of the moon (assuming they are tidally locked).

I think that in the final movie you see the Tiiadan symbols burning with a cityscape in the background. It was a long time ago, so I could be wrong.

-Ben

[Tamriel]

there IS a burning imperial sign.
but why should it be on hiigara?

it should IMO just show the downfall of the old empire.

i dont remember one thing indicating that the empire ever build a big colony on hiigara.

[JAL-18]

And the fact that the Taiidani flagship is hanging around in orbit doesn't clue you off? The fact that they burn the Tai symbol(in in the background there is a huge city. They fact that you see them breaking down a statue? That they say something like: "..all remnents of the old Taiidani Empire were erased..."

The inhibitors were to keep people from going IN to Hiigara. They can easily get out. (The 3 warp gates in "Bridge of Sighs")

The Bentusi directly reference the Taiidan in their "In the First TIme.." speech

"....The victors, the savage Taiidan..."

There is plenty of proof for the Taiidan presence on Hiigara.

[silent watcher]

Originally posted by Cooker
Kushan is very advanced and highly automated, the might have a very high drone to population ratio, therefore probabilty very high income.

What the hell do drones have to do with anything? Automation doesn't mean good economy. Even anyone who knows the basics of economy knows that establishing one can be a long and arduous process and that technology doesn't mean your economy gets jumpstarted right away. Considering the state of things as they are, Kushan probably aren't even keeping track of their GDP. There's too many things to be done before they begin to worry about imports and exports. They need to establish an agricultural base, an industrial base, they need have a surplus of raw goods and items, they need to combat millions of problems. When they settle the coutnry, they are, essentially, now a third-world developing country and there's a lot to do before they can even think of building skyscrapers and shopping malls.

And again, where would the income come from? Do the drones make money or something? Their currency would be worth very little, since they have little to back it up. Sure, they could just start pumping out factories and buildings, but why would they do that? There's more important things to be doing right now. Hiigara for them is what the Americas were to the European settlers in the 1500's.

I hate to say this, but you may have to read a little more into economics before writing anything further.

[silent watcher]

Originally posted by JAL-18
And the fact that the Taiidani flagship is hanging around in orbit doesn't clue you off? The fact that they burn the Tai symbol(in in the background there is a huge city. They fact that you see them breaking down a statue? That they say something like: "..all remnents of the old Taiidani Empire were erased..."

The inhibitors were to keep people from going IN to Hiigara. They can easily get out. (The 3 warp gates in "Bridge of Sighs")

The Bentusi directly reference the Taiidan in their "In the First TIme.." speech

"....The victors, the savage Taiidan..."

There is plenty of proof for the Taiidan presence on Hiigara.

The flagship could have come in through hyperspace. And as for that Taiidani symbol, who said that was on Hiigara? It could easily be any one of the settled planets throughout the Taiidani empire.

And perhaps the Taiidani were the victors. So? It may have been their priority to make people forget about the Exiles. The Bentusi state that it has been outlawed to have the info about the Kushan Exile for thousands of years. They didn't want anyone to know about it, to forget, to never remember a time when the Taiidani weren't in power. Perhaps the Taiidani almost lost the war and didn't want to be reminded of it. Or, a good possibility, the Kushan empire before the Exile was as corrupt and powerful as the Taiidani empire after. Perhaps the Taiidani were freedom fighters, to liberate the galaxy from an evil power. And after the war, the Kushan homeworld remained as a symbol of that evil and oppression and they wanted to blot it out, to make people forget about the evil that once almost destroyed them. However, prophecies of the Exiles' eventual return, plus uneasiness about the evil still out there, lead the Taiidani to build three automated inhibitors, in the case anyone, especially the Exiles, would ever try to return home.