Veterancy in Company of Heroes Info - Updated Dec 13 (Vehicle Info)

[Relic]

Hey guys, every few weeks I will be updating this with information on veterancy in CoH. Thanks to the fans who requested this information and designer Blake Gilroy for putting this together.

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Standard Allied Infantry Squad Veterancy Bonuses
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Affects: Engineers, Rifleman, Airborne Infantry, Rangers, Heavy Machine Gun Squad, Mortar Squad

Level 1 Veterancy

- Slight accuracy bonus
- Slight cover bonus

Level 2 Veterancy

- Slightly faster rate of fire for small arms
- Suppression resistance, harder to suppress
- Received damage slightly lowered

Level 3 Veterancy

- Slight accuracy bonus (Stacks with Level 1 Veterancy for a significant accuracy bonus)
- Damage output increase


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Standard Axis Infantry Squad Veterancy Bonuses
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Affects: Pioneers, Volksgrenadiers, Grenadiers, Stormtroopers, Heavy Machine Gun Squad, Mortar Squad

Level 1 Veterancy

- Permanent but minor health regeneration rate

Level 2 Veterancy

- Infantry armor is upgraded to elite status, higher resistance to small arms fire (Pistols, Rifles, Machine Guns)

Level 3 Veterancy

-Overall durability/toughness bonus


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Sniper Veterancy Bonuses
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Affects: Allied Snipers

Level 1 Veterancy

- Sight Radius bonus
- Slight cover bonus

Level 2 Veterancy

- Can move at full speed while camouflaged
- Suppression resistance, harder to suppress
- Received damage slightly lowered

Level 3 Veterancy

- Weapon range increased

Affects: Axis Snipers

Level 1 Veterancy

- Permanent but minor health regeneration rate

Level 2 Veterancy

- Infantry armor is upgraded to elite status, higher resistance to small arms fire (Pistols, Rifles, Machine Guns)

Level 3 Veterancy

- These elite snipers can now fully utilize their semi-automatic rifles, they now track and fire at 2 targets before having an extended aim/reload time.

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Standard Axis Vehicle Veterancy Bonuses
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Affects: Axis Panzer IV, Stug IV, Panther

Level 1 Veterancy

- Slight damage reduction from received penetrated hits

Level 2 Veterancy

- Machine Gun crew is added to the tank, top machine gun is now manned

Level 3 Veterancy
- Armor Skirts added, vehicle armor is harder to penetrate

[Viper114]

Well, now I finally know what each level does now. I knew there was some sort of bonus acquired with Veterancy, just didn't know what exactly.

[Dread Moose]

thanks buggo, hopefully you do axis infantry next.

[FalseMyrmidon]

I assume that applies to only the allied variants of the MG team and Mortar team?

[Corsix]

(Exact numbers removed as per Buggo / Designers request)

[FalseMyrmidon]

Where'd you get those numbers?

[Relic]

In talking to the designers I think it's important NOT to post the numbers here Corsix. Reason being is that several of them are wrong And that they can be misinterpreted. There are too many factors in the game that make those numbers really confusing. (for example if they are behind cover, if they are moving, if the enemies are behind cover, etc).

We specifically decided against posting numbers for that reason.

[fenwe]

Thank you much! I second the request for Axis veterancy info

[theBlind]

I *knew* there was a cover bonus in there. Thanks for reassuring me I'm not crazy.

[Timeless]

What about for Axis infantry? Why only start with Allied bonuses? As of now, minus the occasional games so that I can know my enemy better, I'm strictly an Axis player. I've been waiting forever to find out if it's worth paying so much for these vet upgrades as the info that was posted on PlanetCoH makes it seem that very few are in fact ever worth the trouble.

aka Timeless_OMO (Old Men Online)

[lordkosc]

Once again Buggo comes and gives a kick ass post!

[NFIH]

In talking to the designers I think it's important NOT to post the numbers here Corsix. Reason being is that several of them are wrong And that they can be misinterpreted. There are too many factors in the game that make those numbers really confusing. (for example if they are behind cover, if they are moving, if the enemies are behind cover, etc).

We specifically decided against posting numbers for that reason.

Why not just add in all those "riders" as kind of footnotes then? (I'm sure people will "get" it.) No need to get rid of the numbers entirely.

[theBlind]

NFIH, whenever numbers are posted and people are told that those numbers are not the be-all-end-all, people almost always simply stick to the numbers and even use them as arguments.

[NFIH]

Hmm, maybe. But what, exactly, will prevent people from using those numbers anyway? If it's not Corsix who posts them here you know that once the tools come out someone will break out those numbers and post them here or elsewhere and people will use them as they see fit. That's why I would suggest Relic take command of the situation by posting "official" numbers with all the caveats/riders included and then if someone wants to argue numbers based on something else, then everyone can interpret those numbers in the proper context--namely that those numbers aren't "official."

That said, I'm probably grossly underestimating the maturity level of the bulk of CoH's online community so it wouldn't surprise me if you're right.

[Relic]

I think it would be good for Corsix and others to post that information in another thread. Some of the numbers we've seen out there are flat out incorrect, so it would be better to keep the "official" information and other information separate.

Nevertheless, the information Corsix posted is very interested and deserves its own thread.

I will post some more information here soon -- we'll try to do the Axis next

[Victrix Legio]

Can't say that I'm looking forward to being even close to right about Axis unit veterancy. Good to hear the official word though, and thanks again for taking the time out to post all of this.

[MenacingVitamin]

we'll try to do the Axis next

and vehicles/tanks please.:nod:

[Timeless]

IMO, Axis should have been done first as Axis are the ones that actually have to decide whether or not the upgrades are worth investing into. Allies just get them as they kill, for free.

[FatalTheRabbit]

Ok, how about giving some of us a bit of credit? If it's such an issue why not include some information on their nature, so we can interpret them better? When I read your response I saw "hi, you're too stupid and we're too lazy."

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... It is relieving to see some contact with relic though.

[Timeless]

Yes it is, instead of the agonizing silence they have traditionally put us through.