Bayonets?

[Tantalis]

I was reading band of brothers and i read the part wher EC strap bayonets on their guns and charge the enemy right, so i was thinking CoH should have bayonets to charge the enemy with.
I no its not that useful but it would be fun takes like 10 riflemen squads and just charge the enemy.

It would make the game more realistic

:sam:

I was thinking more of a skill like your riflemen strap bayonets on their rifles and get a speed boost and charge the enemy with a low chance of getting surpressed or sumthing.

[Panama]

CoH is suppost to be a really shooty game though, adding bayonets would make it to brutal Dawn of War like.

[solidus]

too bad that means creating entirely new animations for melee attacking...aside from the stats of it all and the fact that there will be people complaining about rangers not being able to knife the tanks *rolls eyes*

[Brat_Boy]

Um, that wouldn't be realistic at all. Strapping on bayonets and charging shooting enemies is...retarded. Why use bayonets when you can just shoot them?

[Busby]

WWI was the last time Bayonet rushes were used in mass, melee combat in WWII was uncommon because of SMGs and Shotguns' close range firepower.

[n00bie51]

It would make the game more realistic

Wrong. Bayonets were almost never used in WWII, you're thinking about WWI. Usually people got shot before they could get close enough to each other.

However, I wouldn't mind bayonets, because honestly I find it ridiculous how a riflemen squad can get shot a dozen times without dying, thus allowing them to get close enough, which then one might appreciate a hand-to-hand combat function.

[Tak]

The Russians did bayonet charge occassionally throughout the war. It was incredibly silly of them, but they did. Their main battle rifle (MN91/30) had a rediculously long bayonet, and soldiers could be reprimanded for removing the bayonet without being ordered to!


For the curious, the Mosin Nagant 91/30 was sighted at the armory with the bayonet attached, so accuracy suffered when it was removed (opposite is true for the M1, K91, LE).

[Tantalis]

Dont forget the Japs with their bayonet and bonzai charges with katanas i no its kinda stupid idea, but it would make the game more fun

It would be usefull skill tho to pinned down enemies and heavily covered enemies y sit ther shooting wen u can hop over the sandbags and melee them without the cost of nades (munitions) This is basically when bayonets were used in WWII. Oh and it would make another use for smoke nades cuz i never seen any1 use them. just think throw a smoke nade and charge

[Tak]

The problem is though, with implementing it the 'suspension of disbelief' will have to go out the window, or the game will ahve to become balanced around one-hit kills.

Dawn of War's melee system is GREAT, but it's because the universe sorta allows for units taking rediculous amounts of damage before dying. A WWII soldier getting stabbed/slashed multiple times would just be...weird.

With shooting damage, it can always be chalked up to misses or grazes or whatnot, but it's really hard to do something like that when you see soldiers stabbing each other in their greens and greys.

[Busby]

Yes you jump other the sandbags and instantly die to a SMG burst to the chest.

[vman456]

It would have been nice of them to make animations for melee combat, just so it would make any WW1 modders' job easier. But hey, I still love Relic.

[Shadykid0012]

I think it would be pretty cool to have melee fighting but not bayonets just the butts of rifles,stabbing with knives,and from what I saw from SPR the helmet throwing.

[milkycookie]

No, Bayonet charges happend quite often in WW2. In fact the last official recorded bayonet charge happened in the Vietnam war by American troops on an NVA position in that infamous valley..cant remember now..i think it was the 7th Air Cavalry.

I think the more infamous bayonet charges were done by the Japanese rather then the Germans. Since their doctrine was more WWI then WWII. Sure they had a lot of experience in the China Theater, but the China Theater was more WWI. In fact Chinese units were frequently armed with chinese broadswords and frequently charged the enemy even when under HMG, Armor and Artillery fire. Both Chinese and Russians and at a latter part, the Koreans and Vietnamese frequently charged positions with fixed bayonets. It's kinda of a commie thing.....

The real value of a bayonet charge would be it's shock value rather since it's a real 50/50 thing.

I think the Russians didn't just do Bayonet charges, they locked arms and charged the enemy with no weapons. :o

Now that takes brass balls.

[Tak]

Definately the source of inspiration for the power of the waagh if you ask me


Hurragh!

[BlueJackal]

I think not too long ago in Iraq (a year or two ago), a unit ran out of ammo, and then charged the enemy position, suffering no casualties and killing dozens of Iraqis. Some Scottish unit?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223179,00.html

And there's more articles, where that came from. Though it turns out three British soldiers suffered minor wounds.

[random human]

hmm... I reckon they should add shotgun into the game... It'll be so ku to see everyone shotgunning everyone in close range!!! :haha:

[RaptorJesus]

many times the dirty close up fighting in the jungles of new guinea with Australian and Japanese forces turned to bayonet/ melee. tho australian forces also had a big advantage with owen gun/thompson for close range.

[n00bie51]

I think I would rather have hand-to-hand combat rather than bayonets if it came down to it.

[DougyM]

No, Bayonet charges happend quite often in WW2. In fact the last official recorded bayonet charge happened in the Vietnam war by American troops on an NVA position in that infamous valley..cant remember now..i think it was the 7th Air Cavalry.

I think the more infamous bayonet charges were done by the Japanese rather then the Germans. Since their doctrine was more WWI then WWII. Sure they had a lot of experience in the China Theater, but the China Theater was more WWI. In fact Chinese units were frequently armed with chinese broadswords and frequently charged the enemy even when under HMG, Armor and Artillery fire. Both Chinese and Russians and at a latter part, the Koreans and Vietnamese frequently charged positions with fixed bayonets. It's kinda of a commie thing.....

The real value of a bayonet charge would be it's shock value rather since it's a real 50/50 thing.

I think the Russians didn't just do Bayonet charges, they locked arms and charged the enemy with no weapons. :o

Now that takes brass balls.

The latest bayonet charge was the Brits in iraq.

A sqaud got pinned and ran low on ammo so the officer ordered a charge and the british troops asaulted the insurgents and killed 20 in hand to hand combat without taking any casualties.

But... i still dont see any reason why bayonets should be in CoH... hand to hand was not common at all.

[Azraiel]

Two words, Building assault

[dezztroy]

Yeah, melee rushes would be awesome, just imagine tons of riflemen getting mowed down by mg42s :P

[Sturmhaubitze]

Rommel once did a bayonet charge on a French soldier during WWI, after he'd run out of ammo. He got a bullet in his leg for his troubles and accomplished nothing from it. This pretty much led to him saying (not exact quote) "The winner of an infantry battle is the one who has one more round in his magazine".

Russian troops still did bayonet charges because they worked with what they had. They had superior numbers, but not enough armaments to translate that numerical advantage into superior firepower.

[WalkerK19]

Building assault still better with SMGs and flashbangs. Seems from history in WW2 till today, hand to hand and bayonet rush applied when you are out of ammo or in a pinch.

[Chaos1187]

I remember playing the Dawn of War Winter assault demo, then a year later i was thinking about how much fun it was to watch those little melee fights so i went out and bought it.

Bayonets would add something to this game, consider having a pinned squad and rushing them with volksgreniders but not being able to finish the job because rifles suck at close range, solution! bayonets.

A sniper, same thing. Imagine the satisfaction.

[lordkosc]

Hehe I'd love to see something like this, would sort of add that DOW close range attack feature that COH is missing....

[rhorta]

Hand to hand combat was pretty common in WW2, using spades (even with sharpened sides) as close combat "axes" etc. Eastern front, but even western front.

Once you get in close, as can happen in CoH, I do miss the ability to have some kind of melee attack option, using spades, knive/bajonets, even fists.

Besides, there's a good chance that some future add on will have some kind of commando units, special ops etc.

If Relic adds Brits, Soviets and perhaps some elite German units (lets call em Waffen-SS).

[JAM]

As well as a last ditched effort to attack if you run out of ammo or you're in a difficult situation, charging with cold steel acts as a force multiplier to those charging and as a hugely demoralising effect on the defender if it's employed successfully.

The Scots have been at it for years! :fencing:

In practice, the Highland charge proved so effective as much because of its psychological impact as its physical one.

Although it's Hollywood I know, it's hard to forget the end battle in Saving Private Ryan where they resort to throwing helmets at one another. I can imagine extremely intense close combat in every theatre in WW2. Modern weapons definitely do not mean hand to hand combat is obsolete.

[milkycookie]

The latest bayonet charge was the Brits in iraq.

A sqaud got pinned and ran low on ammo so the officer ordered a charge and the british troops asaulted the insurgents and killed 20 in hand to hand combat without taking any casualties.

But... i still dont see any reason why bayonets should be in CoH... hand to hand was not common at all.

Which Iraq? the first one or the 2nd one? anyways, wadda can i say? bayonet charges are used up till the present.