Close Combat I & II

[Aymes]

Anyone here ever play Close Combat I or II? Close Combat by Atomic Games/Microsoft is my favorite game of all time. I went by the name AudioKing on the Microsoft Zone. I really love CoH, but I have either been playing 1v1 or with random partners. It would be cool to reunite with some old Close Combat friends playing CoH.

[Whodunnit]

i have CC 3 and 5, great games indeed, but i never played online at all.

[vman456]

I've only played demos of those games, but I must say, they were absolutely phenominal. Very well done, very rich.

Anyone know any games similar to the Close Combat series?

[AppleHead]

Blitzkrieg Series? You should also try this game called soldiers:heroes of wwii(the most realistic WWII game i've ever played)

[Comstedt]

Close Combat 3 is my favourite among them, got 2,3,4,5, 4 is probably the worst. Most realistic games I know, altough Combat Mission 2 : Barbarosa to berlin isnt bad either,

[muzrub]

Its hard to beat the Close combat series and I must admit I rate all squad based WWII games against that brilliant experience of playing those games.

I only wish that Company of heroes could come close to the CC, in terms of how troops are used and more realistic combat ( Hell you could even run out of Ammo! ).

If a Close Combat game had the graphics of COH I'd never play another game again.
I just some of the modders take a page out of the CC hand book!

[Kyranzor]

Close Combat: A bridge too far was my favourite... in my mod i tried to replicate the feeling of CC by using some of the infantry squads that feature in CC: invasion normandy and most other CC games, like ad hoc rifle, and half rifle...

such awesome games. you DO know that if you hold down alt in-game and move the mouse around you can make the camera angle 90 degrees and play the game CC style? i do that all the time...

[muzrub]

Kyranzor- you just sold me!
Dude I'm gonna check that out.


Now all i need is someone to make a CC version of COH with accuracy and I'll be in grognard heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW can you fix that angle?

[Kyranzor]

fix that angle? you mean the start angle for the camera? its all in the camera.lua file
i made the camera able to zoom out almost twice as far as normal COH because the camera is way too close in vanilla COH... and the default angle i think i made a little higher. you can just use Alt and move the angle up of course

[Corsix]

This thread isn't really about modding...

[Warnstaff]

I have, and played CC3 for quite a while. Unfortionetly it became too slow paced for my de-evolving (at the time) taste in games Sitll find it boring, but when it came out, it was pretty damn good. I just wish that the tanks wern't relegated to driving around every single obstacle, especially when they could crush most of them with little or no effort.

[Nik the Brit]

my favourite in the closecombat series has got to be CC4: battle of the Bulge.Oh theweeks of fun i had playing that game. Choosing to be the americans needed true skill. you started off with some infantry and a couple of at guns against panzer divisions. For the first week in the game you was constantly retreating until sherman relief arrived and even then beating the germans was near impossible!

[rhorta]

CC2 and CC3 were my favorites, CC4 was disappointing and CC5 a little better.

CC2 & 3 were pretty nice for MP, at least on LAN with a buddy of mine.

If CoH were somehow modded into something more similar to CC2/3 I'd also be in wargame heaven.

Hopefully there will be some talented people who share the same feeling.

It would make a good game into something great. IMHO the basic engine could support more realism, add a couple of new maps and away we go.

[Skyhawk]

Played them all, CC 2 was my fave by far.

It was my a favourite game series of mine, but CoH certainly is a step up for me. You can say there were elements of CC that aren't in CoH but the reverse is certainly true too.

In competition unfortunately I felt CC became predictable. Lines of sight were well known to good players and initial deployment was everything.

[Jace11]

I take it you all know the rumour of Close Combat 6 and I'm not on about that 3D game "First to fight". Rumours are there is a new one in the offing.

There are also Close Combat Marine and Close Combat RAF Regiment, but you can't get those unless your a military type...

I have 2 copies of CC2, I sold CC3, I still have CC4 and CC5. 2 and 5 being the best

[Notoco]

Finelly I see some people who know what is CC.
CC2 -5 all big hits (maybe not 4).
I play even CC1 - some of you remember this poor graphics and features - but at that time this game rocks my PC.:gonemad:
If they could mix a bit Coh and Cc this might me another HIT.
Also I'm still waiting for some MMORTS like CoH or CC - this will be my game heaven :flamer:
CoH with bigger arena/maps more players .... ah I need to stop dreaming

[Echoman]

Matrix games just bought the rights to CC and are talking about making a game called CC: iron cross.

[ceejayoz]

Moving to general discussion.

[littlegreencube]

I didn't like CC1 or CC2. CC3 and CC4 were sex. CC5 was just a rehash of the same old.

[molo]

I used to play on the Zone as FlyMolo and GDS_FlyMolo.

The CC series are some of the best games I've ever played (A Bridge Too Far in particular, especially with mods like RealPara), and they're why I can't stand normal RTS games. If someone mods CoH to play just like Close Combat, including ammo and pre-game deployment, then maybe I will buy it after all.

[Starfisher]

I loved CC. I'd buy and play it again if I had the time.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

I recently tried to install CC1 on my laptop but the installer freaked out. It won't initialize in XP and you can't install it using a DOS emulator.

Tried CC3 too, but the disk is kaput.

Played CC3 multiplayer several times. I absolutely owned at that Berlin map with the river running diagonally through it. The russians had tons more resources but you could do incredible amounts of damage with well placed units.

[CrazyThumbs]

CC3 all the way. I haer they are re-releasing most of the CC series to run on current systems and such, with new maps and the like. And CC6 I think is in the same 2d graphics top down view.

[hiddensmoke]

I resently acquired a copy of CC:5 on Amazon. Great game but I had to use an older computer to use it or it lagged horribly. Great fun though. I did play all the others besides number 4 but that one was supposedly not that great. Great games and I would love to see another game played out like CC:5 just you know a more Total War like over map. One with moving fronts and real logistical issues. Things that I can sink my teeth into. Yes I'm a total control and detail freak, taking an hour to do a single turn in games that include many details.

- hidden, detialironicus

[Halftrack]

I really like the idea of modding CoH towards CC!!
But how could that possibly work?

At least we have to wait for the official mod tools...

By the way, why was CC4 such a disappointment to you?

[Firelance]

The highest I ever got was CC3 (I played CC5, pretty good). Bridge Too Far was a great intro into the series (I never played the original past the first map) and got me into the deep, dark world of military strategy. Seeing as the only other person who would play me was my father (a former US Army Sgt.), I got my ass handed to me a lot.

Then we both moved up to Close Combat III. Last year, I finally got enough skill to try Hero level (beat back the Germans on the second map of the first operation in the Grand Campaign). When my father challanged me next (and he came up with scenarios meant to challange my misconceptions on armor, on using snipers against large groups, etc.), he played as the Germans to my Russians.

I had shit for requisition points, and all I could afford were 45mm AT guns. My father never got them, opting for the 76mm Infantry Guns...

Protip: Infantry guns lack long-range penetration. If it says AT and its early war, go for the 45s if you can't get or afford 76s.

Getting back to it, I completely stopped him on the third map of the operation and forced him back to the first map where I won due to a newly acquired 76mm AT gun. By the time the second operation was underway, he got me to the map just outside Moscow and I annihilated his forces. It was a brutal slugging match of epic purportions (for the kinds of games we usually played), and he stated over the chat, as we were in different rooms, that he had to quit.

In our "Post-Battle Discussions", he had nothing to say for me except "You've gotten much better in the last year. How'd you figure all that out?"

"I got really intimate with finding the best spots for the guns, and knowing what to do with the Russians on a shoestring budget."

"That certainly pays off... I'll have to play you again sometime."

Since then, my father has been getting really peculiar about his tactics (using large amounts of heavy mortars to take on Tigers and sometimes even King Tigers!). Not to say its not valid, its just a rather interesting way of approaching the problem. It certainly makes things more interesting for me the next time I play him.

So... anyone up for a game of CCIII?

[Caesar]

CCIII was great fun indeed. The hell with all those that claim realistically based games are automatically not fun.

And give up on CoH. The engine simply cannot handle being modded to run a game with proper engagement ranges. Supreme Commander will be a much better place to start looking.

[molo]

Both 2 and 3 were amazing with some of the user-built patches like RealPara and RealRed - much more realistic, and a lot more fun to boot. They're still available if you do some creative googling.

Also, if anyone gets Close Combat 1 running on xp, let me know how to do it... the CD is sitting right here.

[Deaths Abyss]

bridge too far is my one and only copy. Still loved the game and creating my own scenarios. Loved giving myself loads off king tigers and flamethroers against full vickers HMG army with fireflys.

[Agdune]

I've got CC3 and CC5. CC3 keeps dissapearing on me, so it doesn't get played much, which is allright, I prefer CC5's campaign setup more anyway. Nothin' like trying to hold off a full American infantry battle group with a FMJ trainee group

The only downside I can think of is that the AI is very stupid, and seems to just make moves at random. Pity.

[molo]

That's kind of odd, the earlier games had pretty fucking evil AI.

[hiddensmoke]

Yes CC5 seems to have pretty stupid AI I admit they can make good moves while Defending but they are worthless on the attack and on the Strategic map they seem to just attack brainlessly. I've never lost a battle to them. I only lose or get a ceasefire when I want to.

- hidden, tactical practical

[Jedi2155]

I have the CC Trilogy, and I almost beat through CC5. I <3ed 1,3 and 5, although 2 was mediocre to me.

[vman456]

Also I'm still waiting for some MMORTS like CoH or CC - this will be my game heaven

Amen brother, I would love to see multiple battlegroups duking it out with eachother over territory. A huge online persistent campaign would be awesome. Now that would feel like a real war. Each player could only get so many requisition points per week and they're allowed to spend it as they please. I picture something like Shattered Galaxy except much more advanced and using the CC engine.

Great game but I had to use an older computer to use it or it lagged horribly

Yes I had this problem too but it was easily fixed by setting the compatability mode to Windows 98. Just right click on the .exe icon>propterties>compatability>check 'allow compatability for' and select win98.

This should fix it.

At the moment I only have CC5. Trying to get my hands on CC3 because I hear that's a great one.

Yes CC5 seems to have pretty stupid AI

Yea, I was wondering why I'm able to stomp through the campaign without any losses after only playing 1 or 2 scenarios before hand. For the record, I'm germans and both sides are set on the same difficulty. I picked germans because it showed they had lower force strength and I wanted a challenge.

[vman456]

By the way, shouldn't this be in the general section of the Company of Heroes forums? Think you made a mistake when you moved this thread...

[hiddensmoke]

Uh no this is Close Combat... not Company of Heroes. This is a general topic about a game, not a general topic about COH.

- hidden.........

[Caesar]

God help us the day someone lumps the two games together.

[molo]

When that day comes we will also consider Command & Conquer and The Operational Art of War to be in the same genre!

[MajorFreak]

yes, i still have "A bridge too far" (CC2) installed on my computer. I heard cc3 was the best for modding, and i did like that game...except it seemed a bit more arcadey than #2.

If anyone's interested i'd love to play a campaign. I discovered one can play an internet campaign and even save progress. it's great fun...my nephew and i played the grand campaign and after a dozen battles he started whooping my ass (course, i was heroic german and he was recruit allies giving him stupid advantage)

• well, okay maybe not that much, since multiplayer rules for cc2 was that the germans were overpowered. But, wow, my nephew started getting EVIL on me. hehe...too bad he got bored before he learned how to sneak his flamethrowers effectively.

I still remember with fondness the demo multiplayer map. *sigh* Shijndel Road *sigh*

[vman456]

They've announced that CC6 will be released in 2007 a while ago

And they're also re-releasing many of the games in a bundle pack sometime soon. Hopefully this will help the community grow even more.

Maybe if there are enough CC fans here that are interested we could start a relic clan? :P

[Arctander]

I was a long time CC player. Played every edition, though CC3 was my best for playability and mods - loved the RealRed and the 1940 mod (the earliest part of the war is my favorite time period of WW2 - tanks that were very vulnerable, but also manuverable.)

Anywho, I really thought CC5 had finally hit the spot, and the mods that were in the works (that never came to fruition) allowing you to control such a larger scope of the war, where each fight was an unknown, and you could customize the troops that you brought to bear on an area of the map... wow... I had dreamed of that.

For me, the great flaw in CC all along had been the inevitable nature of each fight. You knew who was going to win, and who was going to lose. It was just about how well you fought it and delayed or overran in each battle.

[Cobra5]

Hey, I thought I was the only one who played these games, CC3 all the way. Haha my mom always use to say, "How can you play a agame where no one speaks english?" Ah those were the days, being a child gamer...

Anyway, they are not rumors, they are making CC6:Cross of Iron. And not only that, but, they're rereleasing every other CC, to work on XP, increased resolution, and perhaps more maps.


I forget the link, sorry, but look it up on google...

[vman456]

Actually, if I may correct you cobra, I believe Cross of Iron is just the re-releases. CC6 is yet to be titled if I'm correct. Though I think I've heard rumours that it will be titled Phoenix Rising or something...

[CrazyThumbs]

If CC6 is Phoenix Rising (I think it's something like that) Then it takes place in modern times but in North Korea, I really don't know what they're doing though, hopefully they stick to WW2.

If only CC3 met CoH graphics.....don't even know what to say.
I've always been trying to do that, start my own game, much like wildfiregames (if you've ever heard of them). But I can never get the project off the ground. As of now its taken a backseat since I have an interesting thing going with a Red Orchestra mod.

whats the point of re-releasing to xp if vista comes out soon?

[vman456]

If only CC3 met CoH graphics.....don't even know what to say.

Amen bro, Amen.

Though I'd prefer a Warhammer 40k setting (:P), I think a WWII setting is more essential to the series.

I liked the Requisition Points system in CC3 and the Interactive Campaign (where you could choose what battlegroups to send to where) of CC5.

People should jump on the opportunity to make CC-esque games.

[CrazyThumbs]

Just checked up on CC news. CC Cross of Iron is the re-release of CC3 with some added features, which will hopefully be out by Christmas.

And I remember seeing a WH40k mod for one of the CC games, can't find it right now though

Heres a useful site with loads of mods and some info in the forums about Cross of Iron (haven't looked yet) http://www.closecombat.org/CSO/index.php

[vman456]

Yep I know that site. There was a warhammer 40k CC mod in the making, unfortunately it hasn't been updated in years so it is presumed dead/cancelled.

It broke my heart when I heard there was one in the making but no longer being worked on. CC engine + Warhammer 40k is what I want in life.
Here's a page of screenshots of it:
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS...nails&album=98

[CrazyThumbs]

I'm sure you could start your own 40k mod when Cross of Iron comes out, it's supposed to be easier to mod along with other things.

[vman456]

I was actually going to start modding CC3 (I like the requisition points system better than the force layout in CC5) but I figured I'd save my strength for CoI or CC6.

Though I may need more of a team than just me. Not exactly a lone wolf figure I must say, at least not in the modding world

[CrazyThumbs]

I'm sure you would be able to find other people that would be willing to help, especially around here.
I'd like to help but I'm already in charge of a WW1 mod for Red Orchestra, and I might make a few models for a mod for 0AD (for those that don't know what game that is go here www.wildfiregames.com)