Massed FP v Chaos

[HexHammer]

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Please forgive me, if my rookish ways offend you and the post seems too long and whiny, but it was QS on Kasyr Lutien.

The Whining
I have recently played the most emberresing game in a long time, not that I played particula bad, but playing 3v2 because an enemy had bad lag and voulentarily dropped, and still being unable to do any significant outcome to the battle, was hurtful to my rotten Chaos heart.

After a longwinded defense of my allied, I advanced towards the enemy and he had put up his FP to guard the chokepoint

I used many combos preds as primary and horrors, then tryed with PSM ..even the sorcerors full spectrum of spells and CL!
Desperately I builded a stronghold with turrets!!!

Nothing worked! ..NOTHING!

Balance Proposal

Eldar
- FP lose 900 hp.
- have less benefit from Avatar of Kain's production bonus.

Chaos
T4 damage upgrades for:
- Horrors + 25% v veh_med/high
- Preds + 25% v armor_med/high building

T4 HP boost for:
- Preds +800 hp
- PSM +300hp

Corruption +60% damage, yes it's need it badly considering the tiny area compared to Oribital Bombardment and Eldric Storm.
People tend just to step out of the area, and laugh you in the face.

(I dunno quite how to balance the units, I would let you wise people to refine it, I just threw up the ball)

[Deathscythe61]

You started the post out well, and then it just led to very poor suggestions...
This would weaken Eldar tier 3 quite a bit (no increased infantry production - avatar of khaine doesn't boost vehicle production!)

Also, upping t4 chaos preds would damage all the other match ups, and PSM are quite deadly as are!

[HexHammer]

I know I suck at balancing stuff, that's maybe why I wrote this?

(I dunno quite how to balance the units, I would let you wise people to refine it, I just threw up the ball)

But still Chaos needs buffs as they simply are too weak in last tier.

[CenturiusLotD]

Maybe you should not rely so much on that tier. A heavy Berserker rush has always given my Necrons fits, and they simply cannot handle it face to face without a big res orb revival. I don't play online, but I skirmish a good bit and it would seem to me you're waiting for your stronger units to develop instead of taking advantage of a tier 2 strength that Chaos clearly has. 30-40 Berserkers are insanely tough to stop without some ridiculous firepower.

[Deathscythe61]

Late tier chaos is best utilized with their cloak CSMs - wipe out detectors and it'll be a nightmare. Chaos late game is actually pretty good - improving the Daemon prince and Bloodthirster would help, though. (Namely, making Daemon prince permanent even after death and upping hp).

I'd recommend trying an oblit drop, perhaps? Oblits are actually pretty effective now that they've been fixed. Move preds from the front to open up the drop zone, and then squish the FP's? Just a theory.

[grendizer]

Lol deatscythe, this dow /WA forum, not DC

Hexhammer prisms are imba. The best chance you have is using mass preds with projectiles with rhinos. Use their smoke to protect your preds. And try to have them spread enough so prism ff doesn't affect them. If the eldar is noob enough to use only fp discarding infantry use horrors too. If not psm to take out his infantry.

However, try to kill eldar before fireprisms.

[HexHammer]

@ grendizer
Good idea with the preds, though I tryed with horrors and preds, that didn't work, that's why I got so fustrated, but smoke might be the solution.

It's just hard killing off enemies when trying to keep the n00b allies alive.