HW2 Models...

[JAL-18]

EH_AceTFL: Could you repost the Kushan Destroyer in .zip format?

Thanks for all the hard work guys!

[EH_AceTFL]

naahh.. zip again.... now all will be happy (self unpacking KushanDestroyer NOW AWALABLE) :

Download: www.republika.pl/ehacetfl/KushanDest.exe

Grah.......................................... i tried to make Turranic Head Quater ... and efect is...... pretty

See:
Download: www.republika.pl/ehacetfl/brokenstation.exe

Also see cool looking Kadeshi Command vessal (i sended it to Paperstarships too)

Download: www.republika.pl/ehacetfl/kadeshics.exe

[Jimmy C]

I don't know if the people making models already know this but, in the Tanis Shipyards mod forum, the is a docked thread about a program that extracts the ship model files from HW2 and renders them! I think some of the people on this thread might find that useful if they haven't read it yet.

[EH_AceTFL]

nahh Jimmi... HW2 models are too detailed to be maked as unfold... but when i get working HW2 3d file, i will try with them ( i cant now becouse i get only 1 face in deep exploration, and errrrrror in papekula............ damit)

[Nerath]

Ace, did you do that on purpose because I request the most annoying ships ever? What's with the Raider base? I can't even figure out how to put it together...

[EH_AceTFL]

hlip Nerath.........
Base is UNPOSSIBLE to make..................... you can try papekula save i have sended with and see....... some Cata models have surfaces errors that makes them be cuted when i add it to papekula.. Sorry guys, not my false (same happen with Somtaaw Dred and Command ship........)

[EH_AceTFL]

but hmmmmmmmmm well...... in fact somtaaw cs model is .. possible!! This will be TONS of work, but i can unfold it if you want..

edit: Nahh sorry for error. This model is broken. Faces overlaping
/me gets

[Enterprise-E]

If only the ship model extractor for HW2 would work...
i have some interesting plans...

[TyrealMathias]

it works fine

[Nerath]

Okay, if you can do the CS without it being shredded by whatever creamed the Outpost, go for it. Oh...and what does hlip mean?

Unpossible? What's papekula? And what does cuted mean?

[EH_AceTFL]

Elements are overlaping!! You cant make Somtaaw CS becouse it will be bigger then it can be! Simple, Some faces are at same positions (or faces are inside parts) need

Edit: KITH BLOOD!!!!!! 510 posts 23089 views and 35 pages!!!

[Nerath]

*cough*needsticky*cough*

You know you play too much Homeworld when you use exclamations like Kiith's Blood (or whatever variation of spelling you have)

Sorry for the slow-ness of my brain, Ace. We're running out of model ideas...sadly enough...

[EH_AceTFL]

my idea: Unfold all HW models.. This will be ton of work, so i cant do this at my own, but if you help, im sure this will be possible :clap:


Note to Enterprize E - can you upload needleship(Kadeshi CS) to Papermodels? I posted it on page before.

[Enterprise-E]

Nerath, why are you so deconstructive?

I find the exclamation Kiith"s Blood cool. I like real fanaticals, like me. all my school notebooks are full with HW drawings:-)) Today i have drawn a Vaygr Battlecruiser in my physics notebook.

And i dont think we are running aout of model ideas... there are sooooo many ships need to be done. Not to speak of HW2...
And there are almost no Cataclysm ships available... IcePirate had a multi-beam frigate, i have asked him if he posts it to me, but he didnt react.

EH_AceTFL, dont forget to make assembly instructions for your models. Don't try to be done as fast as possible with a model, try to make logically arranged, good detailed quality models.

[Nerath]

Deconstructive? Hey, I was making a joke. I guess I didn't make it humorous enough. I didn't mean to accuse anyone of fanaticism. I'm nuts over the game, too, and I'm not making fun of saying things like that. I have tons of fanfic random typed stuff on my comp and I draw my HW characters endlessly as well. (just not in my physics notebook he he). And I have actually managed to get 2 friends hooked out of a group of peeps that doesn't seem to care about HW, if they even know about it. So, hey, I just thought Ace's "Kiith's Blood" thing was funny.

Hm...I dunno, well, I wasn't thinking much about Cata. It seems that a lot of their ships are un-foldable, as Ace said about the CS and Outpost. Or is it just those two? I guess my brain was weird when I wrote the out of ideas comment - there are a lot of ships left.

Unfolding all HW ships - that's a cool idea.

[EH_AceTFL]

naaaah Enterprize.. I made instruction to Needleship (look at page 3 )

[Enterprise-E]

I have tried the Archangel Dreadnought earlier, it is un-unfoldable too. It's constructed using multiple objects, and the faces go through other faces where the objects are "connected".
I guess most Cataclysm models are only makeable when you remodel, and retexture them.

[EH_AceTFL]

perhaps you are right. But look at NomadMoon i posted few pages before. Can be maked (i done it, and i got big infected sphere in center of my room )

[EH_AceTFL]

OK. In the name of great unfold, i need information who is awalable to unfold vessals. Let me know this - post here.

[Enterprise-E]

As you have seen, i have created "some" HW models already... and i will continue creating HW models until i have all ships lying around in my room...

Hmm... when would you like to send me images of your assembled model??! I need them for PaperStarships...

[EH_AceTFL]

naaaaah Sorry Enterpice.. Its unpossible, i dont have camera working camera. I think its good time to buy one...


Edit: Yes! I know that you making models Enterpirize but we cant unfold hw together. We need MORE unfolders!:fallen:

[Sebas_V]

haha ive bin around the forums a while but didnt see this post wel i just read all the 35 pages and downloaded everything i could find, ill soon try some.
Respect for the creatorz

[Nerath]

Okay, I'm attempting to unfold stuff now! Woo! But...I have a dumb question - what file in the .big folder (which is massive) do I load into 3d Explorer (or whatever other program, which leads me to...)?

3d Explorer requires all sorts of random personal information to download - stuff I don't feel like giving out. Any other programs I can use to convert the .big ship file or whatever format to the .cob format?

[Enterprise-E]

Nerath:

You must extract the .PEO files, and it's .LIF textures from the .BIG file. Its easiest when you extract the whole \lod0 folder of the ship you want to make. The only program capable of converting .PEO files, is 3D Exploration, or it's newer version Deep Exploration.
I personally like 3D Exploration better. Find a place where you aren't forced to give out personal data for donload, or simply give fake data.
When you're interested about the unfolding process, read back in this thread. I can recommend you Amglco's posts, and his site too. He has the most technical information how to do with textures, etc.
I suggest you start unfolding with a simple ship (for example: Taiidan probe), and then advance to the more complicated ones

If you need help, just tell.

[EH_AceTFL]

well.... i most time extract all race files (using folder selection), then delating lower lods, and im ok

OK: First orders.
Enterprisce: try to unfold Kadeshi Fuel Pod.
Nerath: Try with Taidian or Kushan Recon (or whatever name it have in HW)
I will try with Bentusi Battleship (Trandeship)

All ok?

[Enterprise-E]

Hmm i dont have planned Kadeshi fuel-pod for now. Im assembilng your Needleship now, when its done, i'll post it on PaperStarships. After that im working on a ship, but that's a secret which.

[EH_AceTFL]

ok Enterpise. I done Bentusi Battleship, now i need to make instructions or you will not accept it

[Nerath]

All clear. Okay, because I have stuff to do for school (like 20 pages of art sketches due by Wed. as well as a project due Tuesday), I may be slow. But, I'll try to find 3d/Deep Exploration and make a Scout.

Edit: Okay, forget the Scout. I tried to do a Taiidan Defender, but...I got this. It's got way too many confusing fold lines and massive flaps - even I couldn't put it together. Any advice?

Well, I can't put in the image, but I got a model, just a really confusing one. Ace? Any help for someone who got the most insane model ever? It has more fold lines than the Bentusi Super Acolyte and way too many flaps. And how did you put that image into the thread?

[Enterprise-E]

Here is the Kadeshi Mothership designed by EH_AceTFL:

Hmm... good model, and it's very huge:-)
I have uploaded it to PaperStarships

[EH_AceTFL]

oh yeah Enterprise I like big models

[Nerath]

TA DAAAAAAAAA! I have unfolded.........................





A probe.

Yeah, I know it's a stupidly easy ship to unfold, but, hey, I'm a newbie. I guess I'll email it to PaperStarships even though it won't really make a contribution...
The probe was under request of my friend who loves the noise it makes in Homeworld 1.

[EH_AceTFL]

hey Man good job :-) Can you send it to me or up here with img tag?

[JAL-18]

Grrr...the first hanger (the one that's connected to the head) is not being nice about folding to the proper shape...

did you connect the outside tabs first or did you glue the inside strip first?

[Enterprise-E]

On the first hangar i connected the outside tabs first to the main hull. I hadn't any problem with this model (altough i used a different assembly sequence as written in the model's instructions)

one little advice: make tabs to the other side of that ring segment that connects the first hangar to the head of the ship, or you won't be able to properly glue them together.

[EH_AceTFL]

naahh i see the error. Sorry.
I will try to repair it..

[EH_AceTFL]

reparied:

[EH_AceTFL]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm THere is also another intresting thing..... go to page 24 of this topic (yes yes this takes long)..

IcePirate posted nice looking MultiBeam fregate for somtaaw race... I will PM or mail him in asc for unfolded model.

[Enterprise-E]

EH_AceTFL:
I have done that a month ago or so.... he didnt respond... i think some of us needs to make the MBF for his own.
Hmm i will update the Kadeshi ship on PaperStarships tomorrow or so

[Nerath]

Yeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaa! I made it! And I folded it! And I unfolded it! And...okay, chill out...

I unfolded the Naggarok, cut it out, and folded it up into a model. It wasn't hard to build...well, it was, but I made a stupid mistake while cutting. That made it hard. I'll send this to PaperStarships with a few footnotes about what to do and what NOT to do while making that thingie.

I'm so happy!

I don't have any place to host the pics, so how can I put it in the image tags? It wants me to put up a URL address in the tag, and I don't think putting my C:\ thing will work.

[JAL-18]

I just saw that Paper Starships has a whole buttload of new models, and I was wondering, what proggie do you use to open .rar files?

[Nerath]

WinRar. Go to www.download.com and you can get it. It's freeware. Or a program like it is.

Ace - Command Self? That's a Beast thing. Why is the Kadeshi Needleship labeled that? Although it is unique.

Oh yeah - my Naggarok model is micro . Not micro. Like MICRO . It's about the size of the swarmer or something. Any help? I want this thingie about as big as the Taiidan ion cannon frigate, except keeping the textures intact.

Edit: Any advice from those who use programs like Papekura? (hey I looked at someone's tutorial and that's how I can unfold )

[zippy]

dig out your warhammer gothic bits and pieces and make your owned like most custom models are :P

Oh also if you work in a college or uni you can prob sneak out your own resin ship with the lasers if you had the 360 image.

[PhdGarfield]

lol thats cheating!

i made a kadeshi swarmer out of a block of clay

but its really disfugured so i wont post it

i dont want any of you to go blind....yet =D

edit: we all dont go to MIT you know, but maybe there are other places that have one, maybe stanford or something, man, i hope stanford.

[EH_AceTFL]

Command Ship, Command Self, Mother ship? Whats difrence?

[Nerath]

For the 3rd time...any advice on sizing up models and keeping an intact texture? Oh yeah - there isn't much difference; I just enjoy being a nitpick

[EH_AceTFL]

Again...

How to get Homeworld models into Pepakura Designer WITH their textures:

BigViewer Tip - Not all textures are located within the same folder as the model, for an example,
all missing textures for the Kadeshi Swarmer can be found within the Kadeshi Advanced Swarmer
folder.(All Level of Detail 0 (Highest))

Programs Used:
BigViewer - Used to browse and extract files from the homeworld .big files.
3D Exploration - Used to convert the extracted files to a more common file type.
MetasequoiaLE R2.1 - FREEWARE, Used to take converted files and make them applicable to Pepakura.
Pepakura Designer - Used to turn 3d models into paper print-outs for folding.

Ok, I think I've finally come up with a way to have ALL textures on the model when using
Pepakura.

First, I got the files I needed from the .big file.(No problem, everyone should know this by now.)

Then, using the 3D Exploration program, I converted the 3d file(with all textures on it) to a
*.cob file, when the dialog menu pops up, the only thing that should have a checkmark is the "save
all textures as bmp files" and the box next to "Duplicate polygons" should say "Never".

Tip - Make sure these files and all future files related to your model of choice stay in the same folder.

Ok, now using the Metasequoia program, open the *.cob and when the menu pops up, the only thing that
you should change is the number next to the word "Multiply". Change this number to 1(For scaling
purposes, its best to have a universal number between them all.), and click "Ok"

Metasequoia Tip - If you set the number of multiply to 0, it will default to 0.001 and may cause
holes to appear in your model when opened in other programs.

Next, open the material panel(ctrl+m), and double click the material "mat1". In this screen you
should notice the name of the texture to the right of the "tex" box, also notice it does not have
a file path. Click the "ref" button to the right of the material name, and if you followed my
tip about file locations, you should easily find them.(Note - When I used this program, everytime
I clicked "ref" it would take me to the default file location of the program.) Now simply go,
one by one, throught all the mats and set them right, when done, and you've clicked ok, the
screen should rerender itself and should show you the model with all the correct textures in all
the correct places.

From here its easy, just click save as in the file menu, and save it in the same directory with
all the other files. The reason(About time I told you) is that when the *.mqo file is opened by
Pepakura Designer, it will not find the textures if not in the same folder.

Now just open up your *.mqo file with Pepakura Designer and TADAAA!, you've got your model, with
all textures applied, hopefully no holes depending on the model, and now you get to just spend
time figuring out how you would like to put it together.


Here's another link for the Homworld Shipyards link page:

http://www21.ocn.ne.jp/%7Emizno/main_e.html (Metasequoia)

Funny, I kinda noticed all the links there for this topic are the ones I posted.

Also, one last thing. (I promise ) Below should be a link of the swarmer. I havn't bought
Pepakura yet, so I can't save files except bitmaps, and its still a work in progress.
YAY! Not a box!
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003...swarmertest.gif

Now............ Read this 4 times (at last).

Now more info: You can resize model when you unfold it (just hit auto select bar to be unactivited), or then by using resize buttons (see help file for details)

[Nerath]

*sheepish grin* Yeah, I was going to delete my third plea for help after I discovered how to do this and how easy it really was...not as much texture warping as I thought during resizing. Sorry to bother everyone.

[EH_AceTFL]

nahhh bentusi command ship (self, mother ship) is so hard...... i think that it will be unable to fold (im still trying)

[Nerath]

I'll try for another model once I try to fold my new resized Naggarok. Once I'm done, I'll think of another ship to attempt to unfold...anyone got something they want? Be warned - I haven't tried HW2 ships and I'm new to this so I may not be able to get a foldable model for a longer time than one of the masters like Ace or Enterprise. It's just that I'm out of ideas for now

[dej2]

If your taking requests, Im looking for a paper modle of a Vaygr Lance fighter and a Hiigaran Interceptor.