[DC] Races that need the most micro?

[ISLYFE]

In what order would you place the races in DC from most to least micro needed to be a successful in 1v1 auto?

I would say:

Eldar - most micro needed
Tau
IG
Ork
Chaos
SM
Necron - least micro needed

PS: In what order would you place the races in DC from most to least macro needed to be a successful in 1v1 auto?

[devmapillbomb]

That seems right. Tau and Eldar rely on danceing and fast but hard hitting tactics.

[hylander25k]

talk about micro- thats IG. you cannot walk away for a second. hell. I need to constantly micro my guardsmen krasrkrin and HWT, or else the battle is lost.

[Hiroshi_Tea]

i do think that the first three are about right
the order could be cahnge based on personal skill
but yeah
pretty good

[ImmortalChaos]

I agree with this list.

However, to be fully comparable, you need to also include a list of macro tasks as well: Necrons require a considerable ammount more macro then the other races, as do orks.

[your_neighbour]

Yea Eldar just FoF and run away in an amazing speed >.> Orks just can't catch up, even if you use rokkit boyz, there's still too much lose because they can just run away after you land.

[Moress]

I gota say IG is the most micro intensive, unlike eldar and tau, they have no CC units other then the CS ( and ogryns, who are T3 but you only get 1 squad so it doesnt matter) so you ALWAYS have to dance your units away from the enemy. Also IG starts out with crap moral so that makes IG even more micro intensive, You absolutly cant look away for to long or your fragile GM will get mowed down.

[holyknight]

oh no! Tau is one of the most micro needed race?! That's bad for me because I want to play Tau and I'm not very good at microing! Better start practicing!

[CrazyBunny]

I would put Orks on the bottom of the list especially once you get the more Sluggas research.

2-3 boys huts and then just add rally points. Long live the green wave.

[Confused]

I'm probably inclined to swap tau and IG over Based on those FW are so much more durable than those guards and guards are all they get most of the time.

[ISLYFE]

FW are more durable but GM are only cost 20 req while FW cost 70 req

[Sol Blast]

lol, i feel like my months of letting DOW consume my life has meant nothing for having to ask this, but what's Micro?

[Adonis]

Micromanagement.

There's a list of terms and abbreviations you can go over here.

[Sol Blast]

well thanks for the reply but that doesn't really clear much up. Is it basically just thinking quick and managing each unit in your army carefully?

EDIT: ah, thank for the edit, i'll give that a look now.

[Oishii]

This looks about right except I would say IG is more micro instensive than Tau. Tau have moral in tier 1 and kroot.

Edit: O also SM over chaos and ork

[Tak]

I would say Eldar don't necessarily NEED it as much as other races, but they beneift from good micro much more. There really is no limit to how powerful Eldar can be in the hands of a very skilled player. IG on the otherhand you just have to watch every single unit. There is nothing in the game that won't kill your squads in T1 (unless maybe grots got in a shootout with you. Maybe), and losing a squad in T1 is probably the most devastating thing that can happen to IG early game. Tau are definately after IG mainly because they have kroot (either as a mainstay or as backup), but admittedly it's close.

[ISLYFE]

so in what order would you guys put the races according to macro importance?

[Chris]

Eldar - most micro needed
Tau
IG
Ork
Chaos
SM
Necron - least micro needed

I'd say it's closer to this in my opinion.

Eldar
IG
Tau
SM
CSM
Ork
Necron

With some of the 'high level' SM strats (NOT the lawl I r building landspeederz!11 strats) you need a lot of multitasking skill with lots of scout squads capping, uncapping, harassing etc. etc.

Orks don't really require a lot of micro. Get nob squad, right click enemy, sit back and watch them endlessly chase. Ork are a much more macro based army, econ management, building placement and a solid build order are much more important than trying to react and micro on fly.

[Confused]

Yep I agree with Chris's order mucho more so

[Owa]

I think Chris has a bias, almost hatred, against Orks which is consistently seen throughout his posts.

Even if SM require more micro with so called "high level" SM strats such as *gasp* capping and uncapping-something only scouts can do, why does that mean chaos is more micro intensive that orks?

Shootas require more micro than CSM due to their low life. Mech-fu requires much micro mastery, CL has slow poison which removes any need for micro in hero fights. Raptors have more resilence than ork jump troops and come out when they can dominate and don't drop like flies. Khorne beserkers have just as much micro required as nobs, without the overhead of microing klaws...same with PSM...

Are you going to claim that horrors require more micro because, you know, you can deploy them anywhere and don't have to micro to get to the battle, that's hard, that whole deploying them any where at any time without having to worry about logistics and pathing.

Oh yes, I can understand Chris's point about Orks requiring less micro, because Ork's have nobs. And nobs are easy to micro and easy to get and instant win the game for you. Because there is no tier 0, tier 1 or tier 1.5. There is no contest for map control with Orks using large numbers of inferior units in a game with chokeholds and the pathfinding algorithm of a 5 year old, and units that don't scale to counter everything in the game that comes before getting nobs, no, Orks start off with nobs and it's attack-move-win!

[ISLYFE]

not to mention the micro that mad doks need to be used to thier full potential, and flash gitz also require some micro too due to their low HP

[them apples]

ummm orks need a lot of micro actually, you have to make lots of small squads instead of 2 big ones, you have to TP your mek at the right time, and make sure the enemies shooty units are always tied up/chased by sluggas or your shootas will drop like flies. necrons need the least micro.

[eventhorizon]

I would put it as-

Eldar
IG
Tau
SM
Orks
Chaos
Necron

Because SM has more versatility than Orks and Chaos, and Chaos is a lot more straight forward than Orks. IG before Tau because they always need to be moving and adapting. Of course Eldar at the top and Necron at the bottom though ^^

[JMSlayer]

I don't believe that Chaos should be placed so low on the ladder. Orks, I will admit require massive amounts of Micro compared to the Necrons, both of their heros are durable detectors, while chaos has to contend with:

Lowish Health CSM
Detectors
Sorcerer as only viable detector
Ranged units mowing down Berserkers
Vehicles falling far more quickly to missiles than other races
'Largest' low tier vehicle, causing hell with pathing

Furthermore, the Chaos Lords slow poison is mostly a thing of the past, the 50% application having nothing more than a crapshoot at applying. While some strategies regarding chaos are simply and easy, the best ones are far so, same could be said about Space Marines. As it is, Chaos is as difficult to use as Space Marines, if not even more so, as they cannot simply deepstrike a dread wherever the enemy has dominance.

Sure, the dreads deepstriking are late-tier, but so are PSM, which have been justified as a reason to consider CSM low micro.

If I were to make a list, it would have to be:
(Values added to show differance in micro[first and second are small gaps, 6th and 7th larger)
1. Eldar-14/14
2. Imperial Guard-13/14
3. Tau-12/14
4. CSM-9/14
5. SM-8/14
6. Orks-7/14
7. Necron-1/14

I know, no love for the Necron, however the only micro that is requried in its best sets is Teleport-->Rez Orb-->Deep Strike Flayed-->Attack HQ-->Rinse and Repeat.

[55555555]

Eldar
Necrons
IG
Ork
TAU
Chaos
SM

[Tak]

5x11111111, if you put Necrons above IG for micro, please go play Dark Crusade then post.


Macro, Necrons need. They need a lot of gens in an initially small building area, and until a second mono comes up the single production building can be a problem.

But micro? If you're just confused, I appologize for coming off harsh. Necron micro consist of attack-move and a deepstrike now and then. Necrons are at the bottom of the list.

[55555555]

I have no problem with IG when i play necrons im doing bad against the computer mainly because there is much to do before you get a competetive army to face your opponent.

and micro and macro is the same crap for me you still need to click upgrades and placment of building etc. The base dosent build itself if you know what i mean.

[Sabin76]

Micro and Macro are not the same at all. Yes they both involve clicking, but one is very reactionary, while the other is very strategic and thought out (respectively). Basically, decideng which BO to go with is not the same as dancing those units once they are in combat.

[Calax]

Micromanagement is when you manipulate every facet of a battle to the best of your ability.

Macromanagement is putting combat on auto and paying more attention to your economy while your hordes of warriors mow down your opponents.

Hence Necrons=Macro

Chaos doesn't require THAT much microing... just keeping an eye on your CSM plasma teams so that they don't get seen.

[Compeador]

sorry, top four should be
eldar
ork
IG
tau



in my opinion.