[Gen] The Challenge - 18/5/07 - GRAND FINAL OVER! Post 672 or via OP - 18/5/07

[MooFreaky]

Results
Challenge I
Challenge II
Challenge III

Challenge IV - Sour Grapes
Rules
Round I
Round II
Round III
Round IV
Round V
Round VI

Grand Final



Challenges

I - Marine Assault

Marine Assault
You may select a single, codex legal, unit (this includes, retinues).

Your force is about to be assaulted by a force of Marines (dun dun dun). The enemy will have 9 CC Marines, and a Vet Serg w/ Power Fist.

Every 2 game turns (ie 4 CC rounds), another identical squad of Marines will assault you. Whoever kills the most Marines will win.

Rules :
-All units must be codex legal
-There will be no shooting by either force
-You will be subject to Morale as normal, the Marines will not
-You may take a maximum of 3 pieces of Wargear for your chatacters (in TOTAL, between all Characters. Meaning if you have 5 characters, you may take just 3 wargear choices between them all, not 3 each)
-If you have a retinue, you may only take 1 piece of wargear for your characters
-Tyranids may take a MAXIMUM of one upgrade per squad. Otherwise they will simply be unstoppable.
-You are not limited to ICs, normal units are allowed
-Vehicles ARE allowed
-Special Characters are not allowed (This INCLUDES C'Tan)
-There is no point limit
-No spitting, scratching, kicking in the groin or sharing drink bottles
-You may take a maximum of 125 points worth of models for a retinue
-All characters (unless stated otherwise) are assumed to have 2 ccw as their weapons.
-Weapons and Psychic Powers are counted under your Wargear allowance
-You may take any upgrades allowed under the "options" category, without using wargear allowance.
- No 'Chosen' squads. Sorry Chaos, but just too hard to balance.



It is currently Monday morning as 2:47am.
Entries will close Friday Night at whenever the hell I get home from work (should be 2:30am, but may be after 4am...)

Any Questions?

II - The Damned Arise
III - Start Your Engines...

Challenge IV - Sour Grapes
Round I
Round II
Round III
Round IV
Round V
Round VI




I hope everyone is okay with the way things have turned out. Any complaints, abuse, mustard gas etc can be direct toward Brother Armand (seriously, I'm sure he won't mind if you load his inbox with abusive PMs)

[Ap0k]

Is there anything in place to prevent seer councils of doom and/or chosen retinues of ridiculousness? I didn't see anything mentioned about a model limit, or are you just planning on working it based on your own judgement (i.e if you think it's broken, you have the right to exclude it)?

[Waterbizkit]

Going to change my entry completely. I'll take a unit of Ten Pariahs. No toying with the unit required, unlike my potential Seer Council entry.

~Bizkit

Edited Nov. 14th 2006

[MooFreaky]

Good point, I shall edit the initial post.
A retinue may be a total of 125 points. Small enough to be maintainable, but big enough to allow some freedom.
You may not purchase wargear for these points due to restrictions (but allowed options can be)


Also note that Weapons ARE wargear.
You are assumed to start with two basic CC weapons.

[Evil_Eye]

3rd Edit- Noo!! I lost karrandras

OK, so my 2nd entry which i don't like that much but i can't think of anything better

Tyrant
2X scything talons as standard + warp field

2X tyrant guard

[rainbowmonkeys]

Can you take squad options? I would like to know if taking Wych weapons for a unit of Wychs would be legal...

[BL4D3W4LK3R]

What counts against the 3 or 1 Wargear limit? Weapons and anything from the Wargear category obviously but do Gifts?

Edit: Also, is it any single unit or any single character? Is it supposed to be one IC with possible retinue or can it be a troops choice totally maxed out because of the unlimited points?

[nareik123]

My entry.

Master of Sanctuary with Might of Heroes, Artificer Armour, Pair of Lightning Claws, Terminator Honours Bionics and an Iron Halo.

[Slyde]

So is there a point limit on the character? If not, I guess I'll enter the nightbringer with no retinue.

[Wulfen Brother]

When you say single unit (includes retinues) does a space marine master, chaplain and librarian with command squad count as a single unit as it only takes 1 force organisation slot??

If so I'll go with:-
Master with pair of lightning claws [1 wargear selection allowed]
Master of Sanctity includes power weapon
Librarian includes force weapon
Command squad retinue of:-
8 marines [120pts]

[MooFreaky]

Can't take special characters.

Anything that is not on the character or allowed in the options, is counted as wargear.

So yes, Wych Weapons are allowed. They are in the options.

A Tyrant would come with Scything Talons, as they are standard.

All units are allowed. It's just people seem to be fixated on the ICs and retinues.


Nariek, your entry is illegal. That is 6 pieces of Wargear by my count.

Might of Heroes = Psychic Power = 1
Artificer Armour = 2
Lightning Claws = 3 (they can be bought as a pair, so just counts as 1)
Termie Honours = 4
Bionics = 5
Iron Halo = 6

EDIT :
Wulfen, If the Chappy, Librarian and Command Squad are less than 125 points you can... so no.

[crawford'n'co]

Wait.... I'm cunfused. It says there is no points limit in the rules. How many points are we allowed for models and units?

[MooFreaky]

Overall there is no limit.
The limit only kicks in for retinues, to stop ICs mixing with a massive squad to form a really insane, borderline unstoppable unit.

[nareik123]

oops, sorry moo.

Retry:

Grey Knight Grandmaster with Icon of the just
3 Grey Knight Terminators. 138pts

Edit: Noticed the reduced limit of points and removed pieces of wargear.

[BL4D3W4LK3R]

Here is my entry:

Grey Knight Terminator Squad (Elite choice instead of IC with retinue):


Brother Captain with Lightning Claws (1 allowed Wargear)

9 Grey Knight Terminators with Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield (free upgrade in options of entry)

[W'rkncacnter]

[edit]oops. heres my new entry:

9 harlequins each with harlequins kisses
troupe master with powerweapon.

[/edit]

[rainbowmonkeys]

19 Wyches w/Wych weapons, 1 Succubus w/Agoniser and CC weapon- 288pts

Pure pwnage.

[Trignama]

so is it legal for me to enter an emperors champion??? i know he has more wargear than the specified amount but it all comes standard on him... also since i have to take a vow when using him, does that count as a wargear choice as well???

[crawford'n'co]

Full squad of Blood Angels Death Company Plees?

[Dooks Dizzo]

Alright here goes:

Genestealer Brood
12 Genestealers

The brood has the following biomorphs:
Acid Maw (reroll wound on first turn)
Extended carapace (+1sv)
Scything Talons (+1a)
Toxin Sacs (+1S)

[Trignama]

alright i'm going to use this, advice me if it is illegal and i will make changes

Marshall

lightning claws, termi armour

Sword Brethren

1 w/lightning claws 8 with close combat weapons/bolt pistols (furious charge)(terminator honours)

Edit Nov 15th 2006, added termi armour to marshall, since terminator honours is an option for sword brethren not wargear, that gave me one more choice

[Spriteboy]

I'll go with

9 Tyranid warriors
Adrenal Glands (+1I)
Adrenal Glands (+1WS)
Extended Carapace (+1SV)
Symiote Rippers
Toxin Sacs (+1S)
Rending Claws
Lash Whips

Only 324 points

It was tempting to go for 32 maxed out gaunts and without number

[Open Blue]

With Warlock psycik powers, you have to have one for each warlock. Would that mean that you cannot effectivly have warlocks?

[TwistedDarkness]

20 Chaos Terminators with Mark of Nurgle, combi-bolters, 5 powerfists, and an Aspiring Champion with Manreaper, strengh and mutation.
910 points. I've always wanted to use this unit.

[Dooks Dizzo]

I already made a suggestion to Moo to remove Chosen as an option for this contest (Before GNE's post). My reasons for suggesting that should be obvious.

[Dropkick]

19 Rubric Termies 14 w/ PW combi bolter
5/w combi and t. hammer fist

1 Champ. w/ D. strength, D. mutation, spiky bits and 2 L. Claws

help me with the weapon options on Rubirc termies, i'm doing this from memory, if they have to have PW combi-bolters only then i'll take that

[Gotchaye]

I don't know much about Chaos, but wouldn't Marks of Slaanesh work better (for Warp Scream)? You need to be hitting first, or you're just not going to have staying power next to entrants like Dooks' Genestealers (why no Broodlord, btw?).

[eventhorizon]

15 Daemonettes. That is all.

[MooFreaky]

Chosen are out. They are just too unbalanced, and bringing them into line is just far too hard.


Also, in the OP I did state (from the begginning) that Nids cannot have ANY upgrades, as every upgrade counts toward wargear choice.
Simply because Nids don't have an armoury, so they get everthing as options.
This would make SpriteBoy's entry have 54 armoury choices.

However, I will allow 1 upgrade per squad.
Last thing we need is high I, rending, with mass attacks and good armour. Decide what is more important.


EDIT : Feel free to take that monolith. But as it has been stated that only CC attacks are being used by anyone, you will come dead last with 0 kills.

[Cannon_Fodder]

11 Ogryns, 1 Ogryn Bone 'ead. (All have Riper Guns)

About the only time you will ever see a full Ogryn squad in the field...

Anyways, here's too MooFreaky!

[Trignama]

so moo, is my squad legal then??? i'm sorry i'm so confused lol:moo:

[Mirehn_Bielann]

thought I'd have some fun...

Terminator Assault Squad: Excelsior

Terminator Sergeant has 2 Thunder Hammers and Adamantine Mantle

9 Assault Terminators: five Termies have Lightning Claws, the other four have Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield.

Points = 460 points.

[Waterbizkit]

With Warlock psycik powers, you have to have one for each warlock. Would that mean that you cannot effectivly have warlocks?

Out of curiosity, where might you be getting this idea? I mean I'll quickly mention that I had heard that Warlocks were required to take a power pre-release of the codex, but unless I'm missing something, that is not the case. I've checked both of the Warlock entries in the codex (Page 27 & Page 60) and both qualify taking a power with "may", as in: "may take a power..." which indicates that it isn't required. So all that pre-release nonsense about getting rid of "ablative wound" Warlocks was a bit of a mixed bag, because while the new pseudo-Seer Councils are not infinite, you can take plain Warlocks with nothing but thier stock Wargear.

There's my rant, sorry to go a bit off-topic, just thought it'd be nice to clarify.

~Bizkit

[Wulfen Brother]

O.k.

The best i can come up with is 10 assault terminators all with lightning claws.

Either that, or if thats all ready been taken by everyone else I'll go with 15 Wulfen. These guys at I5 S5 A3 could do some damage!

[Magus Zeal]

help me with the weapon options on Rubirc termies, i'm doing this from memory, if they have to have PW combi-bolters only then i'll take that

Rubric Terminators can't take Combi-Bolters, IIRC. Army Builder agrees. Besides, no shooting allowed, so it's kinda moot to wonder if they do or not. I was originally considering a bunch of Raptors, but your option of Rubric Terminators seems like a really good idea. :\ Well, here's my list anyways:
9 Chaos Raptors
-Furious Charge
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
Raptor Aspiring Champion
-Furious Charge/Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Lightning Claw (x2)
-Daemonic Mutation
-Daemonic Strength
If the above three choices are not acceptable (as I'm wondering if the 2 Lightning Claws would count as one or two choices), then replace with Power Fist & CCW + Daemonic Mutation & Daemonic Aura.

[BrianGeneral]

Do it means we'll be charged ONLY or we also got the chance to charge others?

My entry. Say NO to NO point limits :evilnod:
19 Chaos Space Marines with BP and Chainaxe, all with MoK, Furious Charge (23pts each)
Champion with MoK, 2 Claws, Furious Charge, Daemonic Mutation, Daemonic Strength (90pts)
Total: 527pts.
76 Chainaxe attacks on the charge AND 5 Power Weapon attacks on charge seems suffice to dael with normal Assault Marines. If DNs are added as enemies (which I suggest to), then I'll make amendments.

[Dark Watcher]

Dammit. General Nuke'em took my idea. Grr. Now have to think of something else.

Ok. He's taken all the lightning claws, i'll take a 10-man Deathwing Termintor squad all armed with Thunder Hammers and storm shields for the hell of it. (And master craft the segeants thunder hammer). Sholud be interesting

So to summarise:

10 Man Deathwing Assault Sqaud: Thunder Hammers and storm shields with Sergeant master-crafted thunder hammer.

points: 465.

[BrianGeneral]

At least will do the trick if he clarifies the rules. "Being assaulted" don't really means "can't charge" IMO like rules in the past CCCs.

ps. I'm kinda surprised to see no one get an uber DN here.

[MooFreaky]

Nuke Em wins points for reading the rules.

It specificiallly states "you will be charged"

[BrianGeneral]

Fine.

*Thinking to re-work the entry*

[Mig Mek]

Here's my entry for the challenge.
The Necron Nightbringer.

None can stand before the power of the stargod.

[queztacoatl]

Ill have a Venerable Dreanought with extra armour!!! (if it is allowed)

[Dropkick]

I'm just confused because like i said i don't have immediate access to a chaos codex, my only resource at the moment is Army builder, if Rubirc terms don't use PW/combi-bolters then what do they use?

*edit*
did some looking online, pretty sure rubrics come with combi/ PW
i don't know if we can talk about this but if someone could maybe PM me if we can and let me know for sure.

[MooFreaky]

Rubic Termies cannot be used, as they are Chosen. And Chosen are not allowed.

Okay... far too many people are posting without reading. This is shown by the fact we have had 2 Nightbringers and a Monolith being entered, despite the rules that Special Characters are not allowed and only CC attacks are taken into account. And those rules have been there from the beginning.

I have edited the OP to highlight further that the C'tan are not allowed.


EDIT : Okay, Rubics can be made from upgrading normal units.
But I am disallowing this as it does exactly the same thing as the Chosen entry, which was OP'd. So trying to go around a rule that attempts to make things competitive is not going to be allowed.

Off Topic - Rubics are equipped with Combi-Bolters and Power Weapons

DOUBLE EDIT: Phoenix Lords are special characters. Just because you don't need oppononts consent doesn't stop them being special characters, you know exactly what I meant and that is just trying to sneak through rules.
Otherwise the C'tan would be allowed, and they would wtfpwn everyone.

And to be crystal clear, this means characters such as Old One Eye, The Red Terror, Eldrad and others in the same boat are also not allowed.


Triple Edit : I can't find who posted the other Nightbringer, but I swear it was there before.
It was either deleted or I'm majorly tripping.

Quadrouple Edit :
If I do not say an entry is illgeal, then assume that it is fine. There is always plenty for me to be checking, and having to state that everything is legal adds alot of extra to that.

As such, the Dread is fine. As is the Marshal and Sword Bretheren

[Trignama]

sorry moo, didnt mean to cause more work for you, but thank you much for clearing that up, BRING IT ON!!! he he he (too much faith in my sword brethren, i love those guys )

[Invid]

Techmarine (Scions of mars +1W, Power Weapon, Full Harness, 2+ Save, 2 Powerfist attacks )
WARGEAR
Combat Shield (5+ I)
Terminator Honours (+1 Attack)
(Plasma Pistol grants +1 Attack)
Full Harness (2+ Save, 2 Powerfist attacks
4 Combat Servitors, Powerfist, CCW

Techmarine= 2 Powerweapon, 2 Powerfist Attacks
Servitors= 8 Powerfist Attacks

Hopefully this is correct. First time building a unit like this.
If I am correct that is 11 Powerfist attacks, plus the other flavors at WS4. (Crosses-fingers)
:yield:

[Innonexess]

ermm do a charachsters vechlie count as part of the reutine
*calculates findish plan in a corner*
*double post*
when you say
" -You may take any upgrades allowed under the "options" category, without using wargear allowance."
does this mean i could absa-didy-lotly soup-up my shull we say... warboss?

[MooFreaky]

Those Servitors are a retinue... which means you can only take 1 wargear item on the Techmarine.

[Mig Mek]

Would his full harness count as wargear. IF im correct isnt it an option?

[Dropkick]

Okay then, sorry about the rubrics, really wasn't trying to find a way around the rule, I just liked them,
then I'm going to use 19 rubric marines/ with AC with 2 LC's and D. Str., D. Mutation and Spikey Bits.
(20 is the max squad size right?)

Hows that man? Sorry for the trouble earlier.

(ohh just curious aren't Phoneix lords no longer considered special charaters in the new dex. I'm not arguing with the rule casue they would still kick too much ass in this thing, just curious bout the rule itself)