[Gen] The Challenge - 18/5/07 - GRAND FINAL OVER! Post 672 or via OP - 18/5/07

[Dooks Dizzo]

This was one of the best Challenges yet my friend. Hats off to you.

Once again I score in the top contenders but just couldn't make it over the line to victory! I am looking forward to what you think up next.

Maybe Orky assault?

[Mirehn_Bielann]

:dito: I happen to agree with Dooks, this was expectionally awesome, especially since it just happened so quickly and there was no real waiting for results. I love the idea and I can't wait for the next one.

I second Dooks on his Orky Assault. 20 Sluggas, just keep em coming (that's a body count...), or maybe even Khorne Bezerkers.

Wait... how about Gunslingers? No assault, just duel at dawn at 12".

[AHH! MOTHERLAND]

Good job MOO! Well done indeed. I thought it was done very professionally and very quickly. Simple, yet super effective. My hat's off to you Dropkick, good Job! Well done everyone, it was really enjoyable.

[cfoley]

I left him out because he smells...

Thanks, Moo!

Great competition and I have to admit I was rather surprised at some of the results. I was going to go with some Lightning Claw Chosen (and then LC loyalists) but was too slow. I genuinely thought they would win hands down.

My second choice was Rending Rippers (showing my senility there) so I finally settled on the Bloodthirster.

Congratulations dropkick!

[Trignama]

Congrats to drop kick!!! well done man!!

so moo when do we get to do another one of these!! lol i just thought of a much better unit suited for this, i forgot so many things about the templars in the absence of my codex..... so i will be waiting for the next one

thanks alot moo this was alot of fun i really did better than i expected, but i hope to take one of the top places next time!!!!

[MooFreaky]

GawD...

You did say something about Death Company, but everyone tends to make suggestions and ideas at the start, and as you didn't really put in a proper entry, I figured it was just like the general talk that goes on at the start.

If you look at other's posts it's obvious that they are their actual entries, while many people have multiple posts about ideas they have it is clear what is their entry.
I honestly thought yours wasn't, so I was waiting for it to be posted.

Sorry, mate.

[=DǼM♦N=]

Hmmm, 7th. Not bad I guess. Great work Moo, well done Dropkick.

[Dark Watcher]

So, lessons to be learnt here:

1. Entries shall be made clearly and coherently.

When entering a "Moo-Challenge" (copyright pending) please state your intention to enter and the entry you wish to submit clearly. This may change a bit over time with changes of mood/idea theft from others/others nicking your idea before you get time to enter it.

If your entry is not clear then Moo holds final say-so on whether it is entered (see rule 2).

Entries are suggested to look like this (approximately):

Hello there Mr Moo-Freaky.
Your latest challenge looks spiffing and i wish to enter.
My entry is of a unit of X chaps armed with Y guns, Z grenades and a filly tutu for the jolly old sergeant

Note this translates to: Cool! Challenge! I'm in! Here's my entry. 8 assault marines, tooled up with plasma pistols, frags and a powerfist on the serg. for a gazillion points

2. In here Moo is God
Moo has the last say. If anything is uncertain, then Moo's decision is final. This is a dictorship and not a democracy. All hail Moo!... Yeah. That covers it.

3. The Dice Gods are fickle
In any challenge, taking a super tooled up entry does not garauntee victory. The Dice Gods have a habit of messing with peoples minds by granting quadruple 6s or double snake eyes. So if your entry dies on its, um, well lets say "glutious maximus", then don't waste time complaining to Moo. Instead, accept that the Dice Gods are displeased with you and go out an sacrifice a D6 to them. This should solve the problems in future.



Great challenge Moo. On fine form as usual.

[Popsumpot]

Yup, tied for 7th isn't that bad.

Gratz Moo, take it easy, there aren't any expectactions on you.

Good work mate.

[queztacoatl]

Just a quick question; do we change our entries for each challenge or stick with the same ones?

ALL HAIL MOO!!

[Dark Watcher]

I would assume that i'll be different entries as each challenge would have different criteria.

[BrianGeneral]

3. The Dice Gods are fickle
In any challenge, taking a super tooled up entry does not garauntee victory. The Dice Gods have a habit of messing with peoples minds by granting quadruple 6s or double snake eyes. So if your entry dies on its, um, well lets say "glutious maximus", then don't waste time complaining to Moo. Instead, accept that the Dice Gods are displeased with you and go out an sacrifice a D6 to them. This should solve the problems in future.

Very true, and it's a nice reminder.

Well, got a 6th doesn't too shabby, but point wise, I actually lose to everyone else above. Look, I pay 500pts+ for a unit to kill 40 guys, but others seemed pay less to kill similar amounts. (Except Dropkick, where MoT costs more than MoK)

Anyway, congrats Dropkick. ALL HAIL CHAOS!
(Moo, I suggest that next time similar challenges should include at least a walker of any sort to give even harder situations to rock on.)

[Dark Watcher]

Ok.

Just worked out that i paid 400 points for my squad.

Killed 28: So we assume that is 2 sergeants and 26 marines (two full squads with the sergeant and anotehr marine surviving in the thrid wave.

Totalling the points for two sergeants armed as above + 26 assault marines works out at 676 kill points.


Cost 400
Killed 676
Kill point ratio: 1.69 hmmm


general: you killed 40. i.e. 4 full squads. Paid 500 points.

General Cost: 500
General Killed: 1000
Kill point ratio: 2

Grrrr. You did better than i did there.

[Doohicky]

Sweet. Got 9th. 20 T5 guys and a manreaper are always going to be hard to kill!
Hopefully it wasn't the manreaper killing the AC that lost me at the end.

I might stick to that basic set-up for most challenges...

[BrianGeneral]

My squad costed 527pts, who killed (assuming) 4 full squads of AMs with Sergeants, which each squad costs 250pts.
So that's 1000/527=about 1.90 Marines.

Just to remember Watcher, I actually paid 127pts more than you to kill 0.4 Marines more. Ratio wise, it's not that good.

[Dark Watcher]

Ok, so maths was a little off.

Still, not bad ratio.


hmm. if other people want to PM me their unit costs i'll include their ratios in an unofficial list.

[crawford'n'co]

ALL HAIL MOO!!

Ok, I guess I'll clarify that later. Thank you anyway. *mumbles something under breath about dice gods being very displeased*.

[Dark Watcher]

Table of kill ratios (so far)



Name...................Cost...................Kill points.............Kill pt ratio
Evil_Eye..................216.........................1154..............5.34
DooksDizzo................240.........................1088..............4.53
General...................527.......................1000..................1.90
Doohicky.................448.........................816.................1.82
Dark Watcher...........465..........................676...............1.45

[FerociousBeast]

Hey Moo, I don't see my Chaos Dread's kill count in your list of results.

[MooFreaky]

3. The Dice Gods are fickle
In any challenge, taking a super tooled up entry does not garauntee victory. The Dice Gods have a habit of messing with peoples minds by granting quadruple 6s or double snake eyes. So if your entry dies on its, um, well lets say "glutious maximus", then don't waste time complaining to Moo. Instead, accept that the Dice Gods are displeased with you and go out an sacrifice a D6 to them. This should solve the problems in future.

Heh. There have been a few instances of this happening.

One I still love though... Popsumpots Shaper w/ Eviscerator and Mark of the Favoured Child, reaching the Semi-Finals of Challenge I.
He took out numerous far superior (on paper) entries, who also costed far more.

Beast, I remember doing it... I shall go and find my notebook and get your result now...

Added you in Beast, you got 6.

I knew I'd done it. I remember because you were lucky to not get 1.
First turn you were penetrated 3 times, but had three 1's rolled for damage.

[FerociousBeast]

Added you in Beast, you got 6.

I knew I'd done it. I remember because you were lucky to not get 1.
First turn you were penetrated 3 times, but had three 1's rolled for damage.

Holy heck. I knew I should have done Mark of Tzeentch instead. Or better yet, stear clear of vehicles, lads and gents.

[crawford'n'co]

MOO, could you add me in?
Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought (not sure but for ==>) Extra Armour. Don't care for other weapons since there is no shooting.

[Dooks Dizzo]

My squad came in at 240 points and I killed 44 Marines for a total of: 5.45 points to kill ratio.

I don't think that is getting beaten.

[Evil_Eye]

Ahh, Sorry my friend, 216 points for 47 kills beats that unfortunatly.

[Dooks Dizzo]

Eek, didn't realize your entry was so cheap!

[Dropkick]

Okay, I say we do this again but with some variance in squads or say we allow a round of shooting before the charge?

Or make the enemy squads tougher and raise our limits on our entries


(oh and if that happens i already have dibs on Rubric Termies :Slap: )

[Dark Watcher]

Ah.

Well. Thing is the ratios i've calculated are points killed/points cost of unit

I which case, for comparison in the table on page 8, Dooks' ratio is 4.53

[=DǼM♦N=]

Well, I got a ratio of 2.3. Not bad I guess since alot of peples were less than 2 but nothing compared to like 5.something.

[MooFreaky]

As I can do this in dribs and drabs and still get it all together in time, I shall get another one going... I can fit it in quite reasonably atm.

The Damned Arise
The enemy is a force of Necron Warriors and a Necron Lord.

The Necron Lord carries a Warscythe, holds a Ressurection Orb, Gaze of Flame and has a Lightning Field.
(That means the Necrons around him always get a "We'll be back" roll, he ignores ALL saves in CC, and any wound on the squad cause a single s3 ap- hit in return)

There are 10 Necron Warriors. However, for every Warrior knocked out another takes his place next turn, as well as getting an attempted "We'll Be Back" roll.
(IE if you kill 6 Warriors, 6 more arise, and the 6 fallen Warriors will roll for "We'll be Back")
This means there is no limit to the number of Necrons you could be fighting.

The Necron Lord can NEVER be attacked. But he will attack you.

The Necrons are immune to Morale, you are not.

Whoever kills the most Necron Warriors wins.


You will begin the game 12" from the Necrons, so you may charge them right off the bat.
Alternatively you may choose to stand and slug it out with them at range (in your entry let me know what you would rather do)


Rules :
- You may take 1 Unit
- The Unit MUST be Codex legal
- You may take only 3 armoury options (Weapons and Psychic Powers are included in this! Unless stated otherwise you are assumed to have a CC Weapon and a Pistol... or equivalent)
- IC's may take a retinue, however they count as 2 armoury choices.
- No Point Limitations
- You may take squad options as normal (they don't count toward armoury selections)
- No Vehicles
- No Special Characters



Race Specific Rules
- No Chosen

- Tyranid players may choose just 1 upgrade for squads. However, units that operate in the same fashion as a Character (eg Tyrant, Carni, Broodlord) may take up to 3 (1 if they have a retinue)


Entries Close 12:01 am Monday Morning


Rules are subject to change if and when I see necessary to maintain balance and fun.

[Dark Watcher]

oooo, bagsie 10-man lightning claw assault squad.

[ssj4nappa]

I've been folloowing the challanges, but this is the first one that I've gotten to in time to enter. Dont have any of my codexes to hand at the moment (all still in boxes from the move), but off the top of my head I'll take a 20 man Khorne Berzerker squad with Feel no Pain (same as We'll Be Back IIRC) and an Aspiering Champion with the Axe of Khorne (cant remember exactly what it does, but do remember that it's good). Here's hoping they do well. Also, if anyone could fill me in on what the Axe of Khorne does I would appreciate it.

[BL4D3W4LK3R]

My wifes turn to enter one.

Our Entry:
10 man Havoc Squad with Mark of Nurgle
5 with Bolters, 4 with Plasmaguns
Aspiring Champion with Pandemic Staff, Daemonic Essense, and Daemon Armor

We will stand back and shoot too avoid the scythe and pray our toughness holds off the gauss onslaught.

Thanks for another great idea for a challenge Moo. Game on!

EDITTED: Tweaked Entry after re-reading the directions.

[Waterbizkit]

Alright, I'll try something different this time around:

Harlequin Troupe:

- x1 Troupe Master with Power Weapon & Shurkien Pistol
- x1 Shadowseer with Harlequin Kiss & Shuriken Pistol
- x8 Harlequins with Harlequin Kisses & Shuriken Pistol

Charge them at the start in my turn, pull out using thier Hit & Run USR in the Necron Assault Phase, re-charge them in my turn. This should get the most out of the Harlequins "Dance of Death" special rule. That make sense?

~Bizkit

[Dark Watcher]

does armour count towards the wargear total?

[Evil_Eye]

edit: Changed my mid, since there is no limit on retinue:

Hive Tyrant (with 2X scything talons as standard:sam: )
Toxin sacs

3X tyrant guard

They ought to do pretty well

obviously charge 1st turn :omg:

[queztacoatl]

when does the time for entries close as i wont be able to get to my codecii until friday afternoon?

[nareik123]

Purguation Squad
Justicar with storm bolter, nemesis force weapon.
9 grey knights, 4 psycannons.
Ranged warfare only.

[Doohicky]

Close to the same as my last one...

19 Plaguemarines (Bolt Pistol & CC Weapon)
2 Plasma Pistols
Asp Champ
Manreaper
D. Essence
D. Strength

Can I shoot my pistols and then charge in??
I can think of some entries that would really kick ass from a shooting perspective.
But I want to use variations of my 20 Plaguemarines for all the contests.

Questions...

If the unit is obviously kicking ass in the shooting do the Necrons ever charge in?

Would a Wraithlord not be completely invulnerable against ALL attacks due to his high toughness. Should it be added to the Vehicles section for this? (Sorry Evil Eye, but thought I should bring this up now to give you time to get a new choice)

[Naj-Zero]

Not entirely sure if this is valid or not, but here is my entry:
Hive Tyrant:
Lash Whip and bonesword
Scything Talons
Ad. Glands (ws)
Toxic Miasma
Toxin Sacks (my confusion stems from if weapons are wargear for tyranids)

[Waterbizkit]

Would a Wraithlord not be completely invulnerable against ALL attacks due to his high toughness. Should it be added to the Vehicles section for this?

Personally I don't mind a Wraithlord being in there at all. True, only the Necron Lord can wound the Wraithlord in combat, and even then only by rolling a 6 to-wound, but that isn't that bad when you consider other factors. First would be that the Wraithlord does not get its 3+ save against the Lords attacks, and so any wound dealt, is a wound taken, and with only three wounds the Wraithlord really doesn't have any to spare. The next point to consider would be that the Wraithlord can't touch the Necron Lord, and as such can't remove the only thing capable of harming it. Finally, the Wraithlord only has two attacks in its profile, and even with its Wraithsword it's not exactly going to be landing a storm of attacks.

Anyway, that's my take on it, and I certainly don't mind the entry.

~Bizkit

[MooFreaky]

ssj4nappa. Feel no Pain is an armoury upgrade.
Thus it cannot be given to your entire squad.

Naj-Zero, That tyrant has too many weapons on it.

Tyrants are assumed to have 2 sets of Talons, thus changinging to
Lashwhip and Sword = 1
Glands = 2
Miasma = 3
Sacks = 4

Thus you need to drop one.

[Naj-Zero]

Then I shall drop the lashwip and bonesword. Thanks for clearing that up.

[MooFreaky]

Also, entries will close Monday Morning at 12.01 am... my time

[Mig Mek]

Got my Entry. Yall are gonna love this.

Deathwatch Kill-team

Space Marine Librarian W/ Veil of Time, Terminator Armour, comes standard with Force Weapon.
9 Veteran deathwatch marines each with a pair of lightning claws

I do believe it conforms to all of the rules because it isnt a retinue my librarian gets 3 options even though I only took 2.

[LunaticMan]

Hi!

I just had to get my entry into this tournament!

10 Wraithguard with an warlock; carrying an destructor.

The plan, stand and shot until there is nothing left to shot

/Cheers

[=DǼM♦N=]

How far apart will the necrons be standing from each other?

[MooFreaky]

It is assumed that eevryone will be in CC.
You can hit and be hit by anyone involved.


Blast Weapons will work just like they have in all past Challenges, utilising the old CoD rules.
Big Blast = 2d6 hits
Small = d3
Flamer = d6

[TwistedDarkness]

20 khorne berserkers with chainaxes and furious charge, and a Champion with bolt pistol, powerfist, rage of khorne and daemonic mutation. CC, obviously.

[queztacoatl]

Just thought of a kick ass unit for this which i don't need my codexes for...

Epistialry (or whatever the better one was) with that really killy power can't remember the name but it sends out a construct and does lots of damage. Fury of the ancients or something and his standard force weapon (not a wargear choice if i remember rightly)

accompaied by 10 terminators with 2 assault cannons.

can they shot for one round then start duffing stuff up with power fists... no we'll be back as double strngth...

[ssj4nappa]

Right, so have scrapped the Khorne Berserkers as they are illegal I'll go for a squad of 20 Necron Warriors who will stand and shoot. Have no idea if this will do well, but I'm hoping for good survivability and that 40 gauss shots will do some damage.