{DC 1.51} Guardian Warlock Witchblades

[combahee]

I do not know how many people actually researched Guardian Warlock witchblades back in vanilla Dow, but I certainly did. As a matter of fact once i got Reaper out, I liked to use my guardians as a sort of poor man's seer counsil before I could afford the real thing. They were effective with witchblades of doing good damage then FoF away before the Warlock died. Rinse repeat. When the were not engaged but going into or away from CC they were drawing fire away from the Reapers. When they actualy engaged CC and FoF was turned off they could do incredible damage and diruption in a small amount of time before FoFing away again. Then again back then power swords and witchblades carried by a guardian warlock were identical in DPS to that SC warlocks if I recall correctly. I think that as a balance issue most Eldar players agree that guardians need a buff, but nothing too grand. One way would be to bring back the witchblade. Make it available to research at the webway assembly only after Mysticism. Of course the DPS need not be exactly as that of the SC but i would settle for the same DPS as in Vanilla DOW. All in all, I want my Guardian Warlock Witchblades back!! Any thoughts?

[HarmlessPenguin]

quick, change your topic to include the version of the game you're talking about; mods are going crazy keeping up with people =P

Edit: And yes, I'd be all for bringing back the Witchblades, BUT they need to do something with Reapers first to make them worth getting over just sticking with Guardians and giving Guardians Witchblades would push them even further away from getting Reapers =P

[combahee]

Staff This is my first post and I seemed to have placed this in the wrong area, please forgive as you gently move it to Balance Issues. Apologise

[HarmlessPenguin]

I'm sure they'll forgive, but again as it is Reapers are kinda under performing for cost...they're still better than Guardians certainly but only marginally so and I'm assuming that Witchblades would close the gap further, albet in a versitility aspect more than sheer ranged power. Then again, they could just by pass the issue by making Witchbalde research not available til Warp Spiders are. Then you'd either have Guardians are serving as disruption for the Spiders or Reapers providing more fire.

[a1ph4riu5]

It would still be mostly pointless unfortunately. The Guardian Warlock has the same health as a regular Guardian. You could give him uber damage with a Witchblade, but that's still not gonna stop him dying after his first synch kill is over. The only thing Guardians would be useful against in melee would be stuff like Imperial Guardsmen and Fire Warriors.

Perhaps if Warlocks benefitted from the Commander upgrades, Witchblades could work. Kinda like Purge the Weak, double their health and put them up to heavy_high.

[HarmlessPenguin]

hm, that change would actually really help Eldar detection capabilities in tier 2 where they currently suffer the most before they can get a Seer Council out

[Viq]

Don't make guardians go down the cultist way. I don't want the thing that makes my guardians scale into T2 able to die. Other than that, I'd love to have the Warlock Withcblade back. Not that they would ever use it with all the knockback animations (unless your going against a building).

[Takalth]

Also, aren't TT witchblades fairly capable of bringing down vehichles? It wouldn't turn guardians into an AV unit, but it would give you a little extra damage against their vehichles when you really needed it.

[BoRT]

TT witchblades are anti infantry and anti vehilce. heavy infantry counters them. that wouldnt make sense at all in DC... (in TT witchblades triple the users strengh but allow all regular armor saves)

[Darklight]

I miss the witchblades too . I sort of presumed that the warlock upgrade at the HQ gave all warlocks witchblades, but clearly this doesn't appear to be the case?

I can't see the harm in giving Guardian Warlocks witchblades, except that witchblades aren't going to be available to later tiers, and if your building gaurdains for CC in T2 & T3 then somthings wrong!

So, yea Bring back the Witchblades! lol

[Greyscale]

yeah.. commander upgrades one and two should affect GU squad warlocks (not seer council ones! IMBA!) and the first one should upgrade their melee weapon to witchblade, second upgrade their pistol.


simple, easy fix, little chance of being IMBA.

[a1ph4riu5]

I think they might wield the Witchblade momentarily, when you cast Entangle. There's loads of little things like that, where an animation causes the wrong weapon to appear.